@StyledSara on Going From a Buyer At Revolve To Creating A Unique Career in Fashion

0:02Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Let's Get Dressed. It's your host, Liv Perez. Today's episode is a highly requested one because a few weeks ago when I posted on my Instagram asking you guys who you wanted to hear from on the podcast, so many of you answered Sarah Walker, also known as Styled Sarah. She is a content creator and fashion stylist and someone who I am constantly getting style inspiration from. I love the way she uses color and texture and she just has such an eye for great style. She actually got her start while at USC living in LA. She interned for College Fashionista, Deep Cut, and Who What Wear, and ended up landing on the buying team at Revolve.

0:43During that time, she was growing her Instagram, gaining a community, and eventually went off on her own and now works with incredible brands and even just launched her own collaboration with Fumoda. In today's episode, we talk all about what it's like getting your foot in the door in Los Angeles in the fashion industry and some of her best tips for getting into fashion in general. I also love to hear her thoughts and process on how she gets dressed every day, some of her best closet tips, and her thoughts on the trend cycle. I hope you guys love today's episode. Let's go get dressed with Sarah Walker.

1:17We have a very highly requested guest on the podcast today. I'm so excited to be here. And I'm actually thrilled that I got you so fast. Oh my gosh. I was like, sign me up. I can't wait to be here. I don't think I've ever asked somebody on the pod via Instagram story, a public Instagram story. When I got that, I was like, I'm there. You were like, is this real? Yeah. But then the email came a couple days later and it was official and now I'm here. It was great. I love asking listeners who they want on the podcast, but your name popped up multiple times and I was like, you know what? I'm obsessed with her too.

1:46Let's do this. Well, I love your podcast. Honestly, it's my favorite ones. So I'm so happy. Oh my God. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. I like to start the show. Tell us what you have on today. Okay. So today I am wearing Silver Lake denim. The best jeans. Which are great. Yeah. Underrated. And I feel like these ones are my favorite from them. Good wash. They're kind of like a skinnier fit. So anyways, go to for these. Are they a mid rise, high rise? They're actually mid rise. Sometimes I'll go high rise, but honestly, I love a mid rise. So that's, that's the jeans. I can't function in a high rise.

2:16See, I can if it's vintage denim. Yes. Where it's like a bit softer. Okay. Kate jeans. I love, and those are high, high, high rise. Okay. Let's debunk Kate jeans. Yeah. Yeah. We can go down that. I knew you would want to. So how high rise are we talking? I have not We're talking belly button. See, like it's very rigid denim. Like we're talking high rise, rigid. Can't really sit comfortably. Who wants that? They look so good. And because I'm a bit taller, I feel like we're kind of around the same height. Girl, no. Oh, why do I feel like we are? Perfect height. How tall are you? I'm five, seven and a half.

2:48Like five, eight. When Brooke Puth was on the show, we had this conversation too. The five, seven girlies have it so good in fashion. Now I'm five, four, but everyone thinks I'm tall. I was going to say, but the Kate ones are like the perfect length for me to wear like a tiny little mule. So I like it. They're long and they kind of they're like a true straight leg. So they're fitted, but then they kind of they don't flare, but they're not tight on the it's a boot cut. It's like a boot cut, but not a not a full boot cut. Right. Not a layered. Yeah. Yeah. Great. So I love those. But these are great go to that.

3:19I'm also wearing this Alessandra Rich like sailor top. Love the best. She's so good. I know. so fun. And then Chanel denim shoes. If I had unlimited summer wardrobe budget. Everything. The dresses. Everything. All of it. So good. The cutest dresses. I know. For the YouTubers. Show us your gorgeous Chanel shoes. They're like an acid wash. They're an acid wash. They're like a yeah kind of a gray denim. I love those. I've never seen those before. Yeah I know. They're fun. We were talking about earlier that the heel height on these Chanel shoes is perfect. Slingbacks are really hard. And I think the way to make them comfortable is that perfect heel height.

3:56I mean, it's great. I really love it. I can wear them everywhere. Yes, I'm in these Tory slingbacks. I know I love the Tory ones. Okay, my feet are blue. Weird. See, that's a good height too. This heel height, I can walk around in these all day and that slingback never bothers me. They look so good. I love those. I want them in every color. Yeah. Like truly, people slept on these shoes. Yeah. Truly, when they came out, people were like, those are weird. In the pointed toe. That's one thing with the Chanel shoes. I love and they're really cute, but I do. Forever a rounded toe. Yeah. And I do love a pointed toe.

4:25So sometimes I'm like, oh, I wish I had these in like a chocolate brown with a slight pointed toe. That's not Chanel. No, it's not Chanel. That's why I need to get them somewhere else. But I do love a pointed toe. Do you know who makes a good pointed toe right now? Tony Bianco randomly. Love. Love. Right. Always so good. Like there's a pointed toe. I think it's called the cherry pump. It's like a perfect brown pointed toe. It's not a mule. What would you call it? like us. It's like what I'm wearing now, but full closed on the back too. It's like a low pump, a very low pointed toe mule pump. That's the way to put it.

4:57Yeah, sure. Yeah. I also think Dolce Vita is coming out with some really good. Yeah, you need to see this one. There's a pointed toe little sling back. Actually, the heel height is a little low for me. Like I want it just like a hair higher for it to kind of be like that chic. I don't know everywhere shoe, but it's actually perfect. You can really do a lot with it. I love a good like affordable brand. Yeah. I think it's just under$100 or$100. Yeah. And it's really comfortable. Okay. Good to know. Yeah. Because I'm always like, okay, if I'm out here trying the Aldo's, the Steve Madden's, the Tony Bianco's, the Dolce Vita's, like what's the winner of all of them?

5:34Dolce Vita I think is doing a great job, but also Tony Bianco. Those are my two faves, I think. Yeah. Those are always really comfortable and I think have a very luxury designer inspired fit. 100%. Yeah. There's always good shoes. So good. Yeah. So that's actually a great, great shoe. Good one. Yeah. How do you get dressed every day? Like what comes first to you? Are you like, okay, I have this Alessandra Rich top. I want to wear that. Or is it chasing a feeling? So I feel like most of the times I either, well, one of two ways. I either have kind of a statement piece, maybe like this jacket, and then I build something simple around it.

6:09or I'll do a really simple base, like a jeans and a white tee, and then do like a fun belt or a fun shoe or a fun bag. I'm somebody who likes simplicity, but I also really like something fun and funky. You said something in an interview that I loved where you were like, if you are wearing something simple, all you kind of have to do to look fashionable is throw in something funky. Right. Funky blazer, funky shoe, funky bag. Like that's all it really takes. I love a funky shoe or a funky bag to like mix it up. So when in doubt, if I'm in a rush and in a pinch, I'm like, okay, a good pair of jeans and maybe a button down or maybe a white tee, maybe just a crew neck sweater and then a fun bag or shoe.

6:45And that's it. Yeah. And that's it. I don't typically do a fun shoe and bag. Like I keep one fun, but that is definitely how I, how I get dressed. It's a good little formula for those days where you're just have, you've no idea what you would have put on. Oh my gosh. And a lot of the times while I love to get dressed, I'm a lot of times I'm not spending that much time thinking about it. I'm like kind of, headed out the door. Right. So I need something that's kind of a no brainer. It's interesting. I think I get dressed for like to chase a feeling. See, that's that's amazing. Like what feeling like what are the feelings?

7:14Like I woke up today and I was like, OK, I'm doing this podcast. I want to feel really elevated from the top up. Like I want to wear something that feels good. Yeah. But I'm also hosting in my house and I just want to feel comfortable. Yeah. So I'm like, OK, I'll start with this top that I like. And like I don't want to wear all black. So I'll throw on a white pair of jeans. And then And these Tories are kind of like my go-to. But yeah, I really realized that I chase a feeling as I'm getting dressed every day. And I'm like, am I the moodiest person you've ever met at this point? Because every day is something different.

7:41But you know what? That's actually a good way to go about it because I'm like, it really is every day so different. Some days I want to be super comfortable. And what that looks like is different than, I don't know, a day where I'm like, oh, I'll dress up and kind of wear something that's not as comfortable. That's actually one of the ways I found you. I remember you were doing like what you're wearing to like the most mundane things in life, like going to the market, everything. So what is your like go-to just every day? You're not wearing this chic as hell, Alessandra Rich. Like what does your day look like?

8:09On a typical day, if I'm running errands, walking my dog, it is very much an outfit that can like be very flexible. If I'm going to a workout class, kind of just a good pair of leggings, maybe a cool zip up quarter zip sweatshirt and Solomon's or New Balance's. Something I can actually walk my dog in. Like I need something that it's comfortable. I can walk around the block. We need our steps in. So the fashion girls who have dogs, there's not enough awareness and visibility for us. And like my dog, Susie needs like long walks. I can't just go outside, take her out to the bathroom. Like we're, we're, we're walking.

8:42Not even that the fashion girl is with dogs that shed. Oh, it's, it's a problem. It's a huge problem. Like white jeans, white clothes is hard around. You have a black lab. Yeah. Black lab. Yeah. Black lab Susie. Where like the short hair is just on everything. Everything. Our couch. We got a white couch. Why did we do that? I don't know. Like now I have like lint rollers everywhere, like in my car here, because if I'm picking friends up, they just know that like maybe there's like a stray, really long white hair from my Australian shepherd who sheds notoriously everywhere. It's just you love your dog so much that I think people who don't have a dog don't get it.

9:16But I'm like, of course, it's hair everywhere. I don't even care. I don't even care. I love my dog so much. I don't care. If you love me, you have to love the dog and the hair that comes with it. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. Take me all the way back to the beginning. I wonder how you got your start in fashion. Okay. So I have always loved fashion. I remember being in sewing classes younger and doing like a neighborhood fashion show. So I always, when I was young, wanted to be around clothes, fashion, didn't really know what that meant until I got my first job at Nordstrom on the sales floor, the flagship Nordstrom of Seattle.

9:52So I started selling special occasion dresses. And that's really when it clicked. Not only did I love being around the clothes and interacting with the customer, and I learned so many valuable things being on the sales floor, but I was good at it. And that was fun. And so it was really exciting. I did that for four years. I learned so much about the customer and how being customer-centric is so important in fashion. I mean, at the end of the day, everything is customer-based, you know? But after that, I just knew I'd be in fashion. It was kind of a no-brainer thing. Went to USC in LA and interned a bunch.

10:27Kind of tried a bunch of different things. Dipped my toes in editorial at Who, What, Where. Did styling for a celebrity stylist. Styling interned for Forward. Tried a bunch of different things. Like kind of everything that came my way. I was like, yes. And then from there, I was on the buying team at Revolve. So I kind of jumped around, but that's really, I guess, the start of fashion into kind of more of my recent career. Okay. So many questions. Yeah. Lots to unpack. For starters, I feel like you're someone and I met you with your mom when we were in Paris. I literally was leaving the hotel and you were there walking with your mom, which I thought was the sweetest thing of all time.

11:05Mom, if you're listening, come with me next time. Yeah. Is your family in fashion? What were some of your earliest influences. It is so funny because nobody in my family is in fashion at all. Okay. So my family's very sporty. Athletics was kind of the thing, but I very much was drawn to fashion at an early age and I just knew I wanted to be in it around it. And there's not that many fashion opportunities in Seattle. Love Seattle to death, but it's not a very fashionable city. So Nordstrom was the best place to get the hang of things in fashion and it was a great place to start. and I'm so grateful.

11:40I think sales experience is so valuable. And I just loved, you kind of learned, you learned so much about the product because you're hands-on selling it, but you also learn what people want and what they're comfortable in. And it's just, it's cool. I loved it. I think it's so valuable for what you do today. I mean, today I'm technically a glorified sales person. I mean, that's what an influencer is. I mean, kind of, you know. To an extent. To an extent. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot that goes into it, obviously. Right. Full business. But But at the same time, there's so much that's kind of similar to that skill set.

12:13So I think to me, at the end of the day, sales is about connection. Yep. It's about being able to connect with a person. Knowing your audience. Yes. There's a lot of value in that, in my opinion. What did you study at USC? So at USC, I studied communications and my minor was in consumer behavior, but there was no fashion major or minor. And to this day, I think they just opened up a fashion minor. but when I was in college, there was no fashion, anything besides one class. And there was a fashion club. I was in the class and the club, but my major was communications in college. Again, I knew I had to be in fashion.

12:48So I wanted to do everything I could, but there wasn't that many opportunities. So it started small scale at college fashionista. I was writing blog posts. That is the reason I got my internship at who aware. And then my internship at who aware opened the doors for celebrity stylists. You know, they all built off each other. So I'm grateful for every little thing that I did because I feel like they all built off each other in one way or another. Shout out to Who What Wear because I actually feel like they have like single-handedly kept the fashion industry in LA and carried on its back. Because Who What Wear when I was growing up here and I was in college, which was over 10 years ago, was still the most coveted LA fashion internship that you could get.

13:30And I think still is today. It's like the biggest, in my mind, biggest fashion publication here in LA and truly has fostered a new generation of fashion people in LA. And the Pacific Design Center was such a cool office space to be. And now look how many people are there. Yeah. It's so many. It's such a cool, it was such a cool internship. I really loved it. But then that opened doors and then I tried styling and PR and marketing and kind of bopped around really. But I think it really helped to get me where I am today. I'm really curious to hear your experience here because I feel that I often get questions about navigating the fashion industry in LA, how to kind of get your foot in the door.

14:09And I'm curious if you feel like the major that you studied was helpful in getting yourself there. I mean, obviously now you're saying they have a fashion department. I'm sure I know that they have a great journalism department as well, but I'm curious to hear what you think was most helpful for you in getting your foot in an industry where you didn't grow up in the city, you're new to the whole town, new to connections, what was most helpful for you? So I did a lot of coffee chats, outreach on LinkedIn. I am not afraid to cold DM somebody, message them. So there was a lot of, hey, your job sounds interesting.

14:42I'd love to connect or alums of USC that I would say, hey, you know, your job seems really interesting. I'm at USC currently would love to hear more. And I think while I didn't get any direct jobs from that, they always put me in contact with somebody else or kept in touch. And I think that was really helpful. I also attended, I don't know what the name of the club is now, but I think it was the Fashion Association Club at USC. And they had speakers come. So every time a speaker came, I introduced myself. I think I handed them my resume at the end of it. And actually one of them was a Revolve recruiter, which is ultimately how I landed my forward internship, which then landed me my, it was the same recruiter, which landed me my Revolve buying position role.

15:23Fashion is so much about networking, whether in a big way or a small way. It is 100 % networking connections, putting yourself out there. It's kind of scary, but you just have to do it. And again, I think even College Fashionista, I caught wind of that. It was a very, I think anybody could join and write blog posts. And once I did that and had something to show for it, then I was able to translate that to who, what, where. So I think it was all kind of just putting in this initial work and energy towards it. I also think when you really want to get there, you kind of just figure out any way to put your foot in the door.

15:56But yeah, a lot of research, reaching out, connecting with people, I think is the most important way. I think knowing how to pitch yourself is one of the most important skill sets you can have in fashion, but also just as a freelance creative in general, having a media kit ready to go, knowing exactly what your byline is. To this day, I still send cold emails all the time? Oh, I send cold DMs all the time. All day, every day. I will cold DM somebody and be like, hi, I'm a big fan of the brand. I think you and I cold DMs. Yeah, cold DMs. That's literally how it happened. I am not afraid. And I don't know if that came from my college days where I would just reach out to anybody in fashion I could find.

16:37But it's really helped me. It's put me in exciting rooms now, different things. It's really paid off. So that's why I'm not afraid to reach out and cold DM. So this is how you landed the job at Revolve. So the job at Revolve was I met the recruiter at the fashion club. Then I kept in touch and was emailing her. I got an internship at Forward in the styling, which Forward's owned by Revolve. Yes. So I was then within the company. Then I graduated pandemic times. So actually, yeah, they weren't hiring. They were firing. so that was a bit tricky and I then kept in touch with the recruiting person with HR finally when they were ready to hire I was interviewing a bunch and then they kind of offered me the job but it was a lot of keeping in touch like I was I was reaching out to her every other month before graduation being like hey checking in yep so it was a lot of that I mean I don't think there's ever too many hey checking animals no no and especially in the pandemic she was like, we're literally not hiring.

17:37This was like actually April of 2020. And she was like, we're not hiring at all. So I didn't get my job offer until I graduated technically May of 2020. Okay. But it was a virtual graduation. And then I know, but then I got the job offer January of 2021. Okay. So in those couple months where I was doing nothing and I just was so excited to have a job but couldn't get one. I started my blog Styled Sarah. So that's really where my current job and career is born out of was the fact that I had so much free time to start an Instagram and a blog. So I mean, it was a blessing in disguise. Now I have a full job out of it.

18:17But yeah, that was kind of the path. How are you able to navigate balancing the two? You have this full-time job at Revolve. You're on the buying team. Yes. And then you're also managing content at the same time. I mean, look, I worked at a fashion company. So for me, getting dressed every day was not only exciting, but also content. I didn't really look at it like that. But I mean, I focused primarily, I focused on my job when I was working. But I also was recording my outfits today on TikTok and Instagram. And then I just slowly started seeing growth. And it was never the plan to go full time social media influencer.

18:56It always in a perfect world. Honestly, if I could do both, I would have wanted to do both. But it just I mean, they're two full time jobs, you know, so you can't you really can't give it your all to to both if you're doing both, you know, it was really fun, honestly, doing both. But when I first started my job 2021, I put my social media on the back burner. I think at this point, I had 100 followers on Instagram. So it was like, you know, people weren't counting on me. It wasn't until like six months into my job, I picked it back up and was like, oh, I'm going to share the things that are interesting to me, inspire me.

19:30I started posting on TikTok. TikTok grew. Instagram grew alongside. Kept posting. It kind of was just like a fun, creative outlet back burner thing while I had my job. And I think people liked seeing the inner workings of a girl with a fashion job. 100%. People were interested in what does a buyer do? What's market? I went to market. I was posting my market appointments, you know? So I think that also was something that people were interested in. I loved sharing and it just kind of worked and it was so fun. But yeah, social media was always back burner when I was full-time at my job. I love following people who have full-time jobs at the same time.

20:11Same. I cannot pronounce her name, but there is an influencer who I love to follow. I can't call her an influencer. She's a dentist. And I don't think I've seen her. She also creates beautiful content. Love. But she has the chicest style ever. And then like you'll go on her TikTok and she'll be like a day in my life as a dentist. You'll see her like fully in scrubs doing dentistry. It's wild. And then going home and changing into like Saint Laurent. No, it's incredible. Yeah. I'm I applaud everybody. I mean, yeah, I did it for a really two and a half years was when I was posting consistently and working because the first six months of my job, I was just getting the hang of the job.

20:47I wasn't really posting. But yeah, it's a lot. I really feel lucky. I enjoy content so much like curating content, styling content. So for me, it's always been so fun. That's why doing both never felt crazy. But I was saying no. By the time like year three rolled around, I was saying no to a lot of opportunities via social media, whether it was traveling or events that I just, you know, felt like it was time to take that leap and try it on my own and be like, okay, if I dedicate all my time to myself as an entrepreneur, as a business, what does that look like? So I'm just under a year of taking it full time.

21:25What was day one like? Day one was crazy. I mean, because I'd been in a nine to six job for three years and that's what I was used to and having a team and like logging in and having people there. And then day one, it was very much like, okay, I'm on my own. What does my new structure look like? What does my new day to day, this is a job, this is a business. How does that look? Even the first two months, I remember telling friends and family, I was like, oh, I'm going to search for a job. I quit late April of last year. And I remember saying, oh, I'm going to find a job in October back in fashion.

21:58I was like, I already have it lined up. I'm going to take my summer, have fun with my content. Yep. And then I'll find another job again. And funny enough, like August, September rolled around. I was busier than ever. Yep. And it all kind of just fell into place. I was worried. Transparently I was worried I wasn't going to be fulfilled being my own boss and kind of doing that, not being a part of a team. And it has been way more fulfilling than I could have ever imagined. I was a little afraid I wasn't going to have as many. I think back then I was a little afraid I wasn't going to be as creative as I am.

22:31But now that's the best part and something I'm more creative now. I'm working on creative projects. There's things happening behind the scenes that aren't even shown on social media that are awesome. I think also just running a business, you're seeing all aspects of it and that's challenging, but really fun. So I'm far more fulfilled and it's been such a rewarding process. But the first, I want to say two months, I was like, oh, life, the days are quiet. Like I felt, it felt slow at the beginning. Yep. And then you get into a routine. I remember the first time I saw you, you were wearing, I cannot pronounce this brand.

23:08I think I know what you're going to say. You were wearing, you were getting ready to go to a wedding. Yes. And you were wearing this dress that was half maroon, half pink. And you had the gorgeous heaven mayhem matching earrings. Yes. How do we say it? Nafzika? Nafzika. Yeah. So I actually was going to, I was in Miami for work with Revolve at the time I was on the buyer and I was going to the Latin American Fashion Summit and they had a gala. So that was my gala outfit. And I remember ordering it the night before I left, like it arrived at the night before I left to Miami. And I don't even think I tried it on.

23:41I just packed in my bag. I had a backup option that was a sparkly like Love Shack fancy dress, actually, because a gala. I was like, oh, I want to go do something kind of crazy, especially in a room with full of fashion people. So then when I got to Miami, I tried that on through my hair in a bun and wore the earrings and it really worked out. One of my favorite outfits to this day. One that lives rent-free in my mind for sure. And I remember it was the first time I was introduced to you. I remember that video going viral. It was shared a million times. People were like, what is this dress? Yes.

24:10And I had to remember seeing it on Revolve and being like, okay, someone needs to wear this. This is a fab dress. And I love that it was two-tone, the burgundy and light pink really compliment each other. You and I love a color combo. Oh, I love a color combo. Love our color block. Right. And I love that it looked like a bustier top with a skirt. And so it was a bunch of elements coming together that was so fun and cool and still one of my favorite outfits. But yeah, I mean, virality, that dress I posted, I reposted that video recently because it was in my drafts before the TikTok ban. I was like, oh, I'm just going to post this.

24:41This is a bye guys. Yeah, literally. And it went viral again. So I mean, people, people love that dress. It's so good. Yeah. Color combo is really quick. What color combo are you loving right now for spring? Okay. So I love like a mint green. Love a mint green. I love a butter yellow. Yep. With like a cream. I think it's so cool. I actually like a mint green with butter yellow. Same. Love. I think you can kind of mix anything. I actually love butter yellow and chocolate brown. People think it looks like a banana, but I'm like, it's so fun. They compliment at each other. It goes really well with your hair too.

25:14It works. It's fun. What else? I do love a burgundy and a pink. Yep. So good. Love that outfit that you wore. Love that. What's my, I think a coral and like a orange go well together. So an orange and more of like a reddy orange. Does that make sense? I was like coral is orange. Yeah. But you know, like a more of a pinky reddy and then like a true tangerine. That's fun. I love that. I actually feel like most color combos are like stark difference. And that's kind of similar, but they really compliment each other. Fun. I'm going to give that a try. I'm into like a bright blue right now with a butter yellow.

25:45I think a blue is having a moment for sure. For sure. We had like ice blue at the beginning of the year, but now I want like true bright cerulean blue. Yes, love. So good. So good. Yeah. Back to this incredible dress moment. Is there something in your life that you think has been most helpful in refining your taste? That is a great question. I always say this. I have a different style than I do two years ago than I did, than I did four years ago, than I did even a couple months ago. While it's all the same and I think I stick by the same vibe, I know you are, this is going to crack open a can of worms, but I think if I got married three years ago, I would have chosen a different dress vibe venue than I would do today.

26:30And I think it's all based on taste and just I continuously like refine my style, refine who I am. And I feel more confident and comfortable with my style, taste, everything with each day. So I love that answer. Yeah. I completely agree with you. Yeah. Like I look at my style three years ago and it feels like a completely different person. And not in a bad way. Like I think I think I still look back and I'm like, oh, I love these choices and things. And I still keep all I mean, I constantly trying to refresh my closet by donating things and getting rid of things. But for the most part, I'm like reusing same things and we're rewearing all the same things I had even five years ago.

27:06Like I have so many pieces that still feel very me. But I think for the most part, I'm just constantly kind of refreshing and refining my style. And I feel just more confident and sure about my style each and every day. Fashion to me runs parallel with life. Totally. And it's about the stage of life. A hundred percent. And it's about building blocks. Like I think about what I wore three years ago, and I definitely wouldn't wear a lot of what I was wearing three years ago, but they gave me the chance to figure out what I want to be wearing now. I think it's a lot about trial and error like you have to yes continue to try things and be okay to let go of your old style to find what is new for you tell me your take on trends and styling and style evolution because three years ago I was a lot more into following trends now it's not that I don't now but I was a lot more willing to jump on board with any trend that came my way three years ago and now I'm like, okay, I understand it.

28:03I love it. I get it, but I don't need to be a part of it. Or I can in a way that's already in my closet. I think trends are really helpful if you are trying to find your style. Yes. You're someone who is really established and I know what you like to wear and you know what you like to wear and you have a sense of your personal style. Yes. I remember when I was younger and still trying to figure it out, trends opened up a window for me to figure out what I liked and what I didn't like. And same, likewise. Like, I think only now am I feeling comfortable to kind of see the trends, acknowledge them, respect them.

28:33And I'm not talking trends like a chocolate brown and a butter yellow. Like to me, jump on board, love it. But a trend like I can't even think of a good example, but maybe bow everything. I love a bow. I grew up wearing bows, but I do. I need to buy a bow shirt and a bow skirt and like lean, lean heavy into that trend. Not necessarily. I think I find ways to make trends work for me. where three years ago or two years ago even, I think I was a lot more willing to just jump on board with what everyone was wearing and go deep into that trend. Now I look at trends, I can see them and analyze like what ways the industry is going, but I'm definitely not buying into it.

29:13I'm either going in my closet and saying, okay, this trend is happening right now. Is there something in my closet that I love that I already wear all the time that alludes to the trend? And that's like the fun part of fashion for me. Like I love trends for fun, it's not something that I'm like basing my wardrobe around. But yeah, I mean, five years ago, I'd buy it. Now I'm like, I'm okay. It's going to be, it might go away. Totally. And even as of recent, I designed a capsule collection, which was so fun. But even I think two or three years ago, it'd been really daunting to say, okay, here, 10 pieces, even though I knew my style then and I was in a field where I was making creative decisions on the buying team.

29:51But I think I'm so like confident and comfortable now with what's lacking in my closet. What's an area that I gravitate to towards all the time? What are details I want to see and stuff? So for me, that process now was so fun and interesting and easy. It just comes naturally. Like, honestly, I just went into that room and was like, these are the pieces I want to see in my closet. Whereas a couple of years ago, I think it would have been a lot more, maybe a lot less cohesive than I feel it is now, if that makes sense. Yes, totally. Yeah. You're someone who has a very elevated sense of style. And I'm curious for you while you're shopping, are there pieces that you gravitate towards that help everyday looks feel really elevated?

30:30Maybe it's accessories. What are you leaning towards? I am an emotional shopper, I will say. So in terms of if I go into a store and I'm like, I can't live without that, that is the coolest, most unique piece. I will not think about it. I'm like, I know where it fits in my closet and I know I will wear it. If I have that emotional feeling, I'm like, have to have it. Can't live without it. But for the most part, it's always a really unique funky piece is like what I'm buying in the moments, those moments. Otherwise, it's a pair of jeans that fits perfectly. Okay. I can't live without that. But for the most part, I feel like when I go shopping, it really is like a window shopping.

31:07I feel like every purchase I make now feels very intentional intentional. Yeah. And I don't think that was never. I don't want to say never, but that wasn't always the case. And now I'm it's because I feel like chronically online now. Yeah, I see what's out there. I'm constantly searching the sites, also seeing what's out there. So I feel like when I do find something special, I'm like, OK, I haven't seen this before. And yeah, it's a need. You know, it's place. Yeah. But I feel like you're somebody who thinks about your purchases. Oh, my God, girl. I feel like I know that about you. I'm someone who I'm a notorious closet clean out girl.

31:43Yes. Which is amazing. That's great. For someone who's in fashion, I don't like stuff. Yeah. Like I go to bed at night thinking about what's in every drawer of this house. Yes. And if it's essential or not. Yeah. So I clean out my closet a lot. I like to be using what I have. And if I'm not using it, I give it a new home. But my process is like as I'm cleaning out and I'm getting dressed every day, I have a list going of all the things that I need that will make outfits look better. So like, oh, you need a chocolate brown boot. You don't have one. Same. So I have a list of things. And as I'm shopping out in the world, I'm the opposite of an emotional shopper.

32:16If I was, it would be dangerous. Yeah. But I'm someone who like if I'm in the Chanel store and I see a bag I love, I'm like, OK, am I about to spend on this bag or do I need to address the list? Yes. You know what? That's great. It's really chaotic. But you know what? That's great. Also, too, I think, well, in terms of the list, that's very smart. I do the same. I have a hard time buying, quote unquote, boring purchases. So yeah, that capsule wardrobe stuff. If it's a jean that fits perfectly, love. I will spend the money. If it's a white button down tee or like a white button down that I know I need, there's ways I could style it.

32:46I don't want to buy it. I'm like, oh, this is not fun money to spend, but I'll wear it a lot. I totally get it. So for me, that's like kind of where it comes in of shopping is there's certain things I'm just, it's not fun where the emotional pieces are so much more fun for me. But I think the list is very smart. I also kind of try to do this rule where if I bring something into my closet, I'll take one piece out. Have to. You have to because if not, you're going to overflow. Yes. And just if you bring something in, it's because you love it and you want it right now. And there's other pieces that you probably have outgrown.

33:15Yeah. So I always remind myself that and that I just I also am not a hoarder. And but I'm like, I want I want to keep special pieces. But then my closet can't just be all special pieces. You know, I need I need the jeans that fit really well, the white tees that are go with everything. So I feel like I have definitely like a very middle ground mix of everything going on. I think having a really good assortment of amazing tops is the key to having cool style. Yes. I can have my blue jeans and a pair of sandals. But if I'm wearing a cool top like this, it makes that fit. I feel so great. Even I'm looking at you right now, you're wearing this amazing Alessandra Rich top and jeans.

33:52Jeans and a cool top. Yeah. Like I really think that that or fun jeans and a simple top. Yep. It's one or the other. Right now that I'm focused on the cool tops. Yeah. I'm like investing in the tops in my wardrobe because I have all my colored jeans and a great pair of black trousers. But for kind of effortless dressing every day that feels really elevated, I've noticed that I just look and feel really good if I'm wearing a simple pant with an epic top. Yep. And I think that's a great way to like look at getting dressed too. Just find the pieces that are fun and then do simple around it. Easy.

34:24Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't need to be like mental math every day when you're getting ready. Yeah, no, I completely. It's an easy way to get dressed. Yeah. Speaking of shopping, you are like prolific at a good real real find. How do you sift? Tell us what, especially now with all these tariffs, I actually think secondhand shopping is going to be it. Oh, tell us how to sift the real real. So the real real, here's my hack. It's nothing crazy. It's sifting. There's an option on the app or the website or whatever you're shopping on to sort by editor's picks. I only ever look through editors picks occasionally if I know I really want to find something truly vintage you can also search editors picks and vintage otherwise I'll just do editors picks I don't know who's on the back end of that at the real real but they do a great job great job they always find unique pieces and real real sometimes with the pricing I've been to pick like sometimes it feels a little outrageous yes but for the most part I have found so many fun special pieces that feel very unique and are not crazy priced.

35:22Like I actually just bought this editor's pick on RealReal, this YSL burnt orange turtleneck long sleeve dress. You're in the burnt orange world right now. Yeah, it looks really good on you. I love an orange, but it's so pretty. And I want to say it's like half off retail price and it still has the tags on it. And it was an editor's pick and it fits well. I don't have an occasion to wear it right now, but I know something will come up. It's beautiful. It's like a turtleneck, but kind of sheer. So anyways, editor's picks. That's how I search. I am not someone who will look at a dress and be like, I don't have an occasion to wear that to.

35:55I'm buying the dress. The occasion will find you. 100%. But then I end up with dresses in my closet. Everywhere. I'm a gown. Okay. If I'm a hoarder of anything. It's gowns. It's gowns. Interesting. Did not know this about you. It's bananas. But you know what? That's the best thing because I feel like when you're in a pinch and you need a gown. Why is it that when you need something, you can never find it? So it's good to have good options in your closet for when you need it. Yeah. But then I'm going to that fashion trust thing tonight. And I pulled a dress like, why am I not wearing the gowns that I bought?

36:24Because you probably look at them all the time and you're like, okay, I'm over it. Do you pass them down? Like you wear them to the most special moments in life? I was going to say the most special moments. Yeah. Occasion based. Yep. But I'm someone who will go on the real real. And I'm like, oh, this gorgeous Alberta a freddy gown from the 90s totally so that's how i am i'm like okay also there's one of one yeah there's probably more in the world but like the occasional find me yeah i was in paris la not this past season the one before and i went into one of my favorite vintage stores there and they had this brown sequin chloe dress from the 90s say last immediate purchase a little bit above the knee halter love and not just brown like tortoise sequins love and i'm like where am i wearing this too.

37:05I have no idea, but I bought it and I turned it into mini and no, it's like, it's perfect for if I'm ever like in Miami going to a birthday or something like that. It's very beachy. Love. Yeah. You need a little beach vibes. Yeah. You mentioned before your Fumoto Club. Yes. It's out now. It's out now. How was the process of putting it together? Tell us what are some things that we should a hundred percent be buying from it. Okay. So it's sold out. No, we, after the weekend, so it was live for two days. Okay. 70 % sell through. Wow, congratulations. Pretty exciting. That's very exciting. Right now there's broken sizing, I will say.

37:39So if you want to shop it, broken sizing. You should be proud. I was very excited. I was very happy with the outcome. Like each piece felt very high quality and elevated and very me, which was the most important. Yep. But I would say my favorite is, which would look really good on you. I need to give it to you. It's this white suit set. Oh, I saw you wearing it. It's so cute. with little shorts. And I feel like the shorts are nice length. They're not too short because I don't like when shorts are too short, you know, like I love a micro short, but sometimes that's not what I'm going for. And so these are like kind of the perfect, like longer, but still mini short.

38:14And then the blazers adorable and fits well. Criminal take. I don't like a short short. I don't love a hot pant. See, I love a hot pant, but it's so specific for me. Like you're wearing that with a big blazer in Miami. Right, right. It's so specific. Right. And that's why these shorts. I was like, okay, I don't want it to. Also a micro short isn't for everyone. In fact, it's for very few. So I was like, okay, a short, I want everyone to wear it. I want to be able to wear it with like a sweater and go out to dinner and not be like, okay, it's inappropriate. Yeah. So that is probably my favorite.

38:44Love that. Yeah. But I, it, the process was really fun. They really, the team was great. They let me do kind of whatever I wanted. We kept it like a small little capsule collection. I think it's 11 pieces, but like nine full outfits. Cause some of them more sets or maybe even eight full outfits, but they really let me have at it. And it was really fun. It was just a fun process. My first time doing that, I'd stepped into designing a little bit in my buying days because brands, well, maybe not designing so much. Sometimes we would do exclusives where I would design something for the brand for Revolve.

39:16But a lot of times, very cool. It was very cool. But a lot of times it was like tweaking something, which I really got to know what works and what doesn't. So it was like, okay, the sleeve is slightly too long, let's shorten that. Or the skirt is slightly too long, which also can be awkward when a skirt is like supposed to be a mini, but it reads as like, I don't know, mid-thigh. So I learned a lot of like small fit things that I feel like are valuable now. And so it was really fun to design something from the ground up. I love closing this episode on the fact that everything comes full circle, just like you said, like all of those experiences will play a role in your career long term.

39:52100%. In all fashion, so connected. I love that. It's amazing. Okay, well, guys, if you want to shop it, it's linked in the description of this episode. Thank you. So excited for you and congratulations. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. This was so fun. So much fun. We could have chatted for hours. I literally could have kept going, but I'm being conscious of your time. Thank you. Of course. I'm so happy to have you on and to also get to know more about you. I know. It was so fun. It was so fun.

40:21Thank you.