Podcast · 16 episodes
Maintenance Phase
by Aubrey Gordon & Michael Hobbes · English
Debunking the junk science behind health fads, wellness scams and nonsensical nutrition advice.
Latest episodes
RFK Jr.'s Buckwild Belief That HIV Doesn't Cause AIDSAIDS denialism, specifically the claim that HIV does not cause AIDS, and how that belief spread and persisted.21 Sep 2026 · 1 h 20 min
Why Don't We Have a Surgeon General?The podcast discusses why the U.S. still lacks a confirmed Surgeon General, focusing on three Trump-era nominees and how their nominations unraveled amid misinformation, qualifications disputes, and…27 Jul 2026 · 1 h 13 min
SaltHow salt/sodium guidance shifted from major health focus (70s–80s) to today’s mixed, nuanced recommendations—plus why “tasting salty” doesn’t reliably indicate sodium and how food systems, not just…10 Jun 2026 · 53 min
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RFK Jr.'s Buckwild Belief That HIV Doesn't Cause AIDSAIDS denialism, specifically the claim that HIV does not cause AIDS, and how that belief spread and persisted.21 Sep 2026 · 1 h 20 min · 28 chapters
Why Don't We Have a Surgeon General?The podcast discusses why the U.S. still lacks a confirmed Surgeon General, focusing on three Trump-era nominees and how their nominations unraveled amid misinformation, qualifications disputes, and…27 Jul 2026 · 1 h 13 min · 34 chapters
SaltHow salt/sodium guidance shifted from major health focus (70s–80s) to today’s mixed, nuanced recommendations—plus why “tasting salty” doesn’t reliably indicate sodium and how food systems, not just…10 Jun 2026 · 53 min · 25 chapters
Tim Ferriss’s "The 4-Hour Body" (feat. Peter Shamshiri)A critical discussion of Tim Ferriss’s The 4-Hour Body (2010) and its diet, exercise, “biohacking,” and sex advice, framed by Maintenance Phase hosts’ skepticism about evidence, marketing, and “N=1”…16 Apr 2026 · 1 h 8 min · 39 chapters
Russell Brand Part 2Russell Brand’s Hollywood rise (2008–2013), alleged sexual assaults described in memoirs and legal documents, his shift into political commentary and “wellness” YouTube content, and how his…1 Apr 2026 · 1 h 7 min · 26 chapters
Russell Brand Part 1In this episode, hosts Michael Hobbes and Aubrey Gordon delve into the tumultuous and controversial life of British comedian Russell Brand.17 Mar 2026 · 1 h 14 min · 37 chapters
The Diet Crimes of MetabolifeThe rags-to-riches tale of how an illegal methamphetamine manufacturer became a legal methamphetamine manufacturer.12 Feb 2026 · 57 min · 22 chapters
Raw MilkIn this episode, hosts Michael Hobbs and Aubrey Gordon discuss the rising trend of raw milk consumption in the U.S., particularly in light of recent state law changes that are repealing bans on its…13 Nov 2025 · 1 h 6 min
The Food BabeIn this episode of Maintenance Phase, hosts Michael Hobbs and Aubrey Gordon delve into the controversial figure known as Vani Hari, aka The Food Babe.25 Sep 2025 · 53 min
Seed OilsAubrey Gordon and Michael Hobbs26 Aug 2025 · 1 h 19 min
HerbalifeThe episode of Maintenance Phase dives deep into Herbalife, a multi-level marketing (MLM) company known for its diet and wellness products.10 Jul 2025 · 57 min
Ultra-Processed FoodsIn this episode of Maintenance Phase, hosts Michael Humps and Aubrey Gordon delve into the contentious topic of ultra-processed foods.3 Jun 2025 · 1 h 11 min
BONUS: MAHA's First 90 DaysThis bonus episode covers RFK Jr. and the "Make America Healthy Again" influencers, sharing insights from the hosts' research on the current health landscape in the United States.1 May 2025 · 53 min
The Bulletproof DietIn this episode of the Maintenance Phase podcast, hosts Aubrey Gordon and Michael Hobbes delve into the world of Bulletproof Coffee and its creator, Dave Asprey.26 Mar 2025 · 54 min
Blue ZonesDebunking the junk science behind health fads, wellness scams, and nonsensical nutrition advice.30 Jan 2025 · 1 h 8 min
BONUS: What's New With RFK Jr.?A bonus episode discussing Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s presidential campaign, featuring insights into his nomination for HHS Secretary and his controversial positions.20 Dec 2024 · 1 h 12 min