Tim Ferriss’s "The 4-Hour Body" (feat. Peter Shamshiri)

28:33Hell yeah. Where like a thin woman would take a picture of herself slouching so that she would like have some rolls and then would take another picture of herself standing up straight and the caption would be like, it's the same body. He like has like a quote unquote before picture that is him leaning forward and weighing, I don't know, maybe 10 or 15 pounds more. And then the next picture is him shirtless and ripped and standing off to the side. It's like the Alex Jones picture where he's just slightly more red in the after photo.

29:09The initial diet that we talked through sounds pretty straightforward, like focus on protein and fiber, eat from certain food groups. get some exercise, that kind of thing. But then he gets to a section where he talks about like common mistakes. Okay. And now it's getting real complicated. Mistake number one, not eating within one hour of waking, preferably within 30 minutes. It's all metabolism confusion at the end of the day. His argument is that you should, he's like, I eat one tablespoon of almond butter and four Brazil nuts upon waking. Yeah. I keep it next to my bed. Right before my first cigarette of the day.

29:46Absolutely. He says that mistake number two is not getting enough protein per meal. Mistake number three is not drinking enough water, but he doesn't really define enough. Mistake number four, he says, is believing that you'll cook, especially if you're a bachelor. What the fuck is that? What's wrong? Throughout this book, he is assuming that the reader is him and he's like, I don't cook, so they don't cook. I feel like learn to cook would also be like reasonable advice for a book like this. He has a whole mistake just about mistiming weighings with your menstrual cycle. And then in parentheses, he writes, not a problem for bachelors.

30:22Nice. For married men, however. Tell them. He talks about how cheat day is like a really important part of the diet, not just for adherence to the diet, but for its actual effectiveness. he says that um the big issue that cheat day helps with is uh to minimize your release of insulin which triggers your body to store fat metabolism spoofing that's what it's doing yes so he has a whole thing where he's like uh you have to increase the speed of gastric emptying or how quickly food exits the stomach oh he's doing like a poop speed run like you want to get from food to poop in like 35 minutes your body should not be absorbing the nutrients from the food it should be blasting through you at full speed actual food should be coming out of you just a full a full slice of pizza coming out your ass but can people even do anything about that could you manipulate how fast you're pooping and like processing food there are ways that you can line your pipes to like in your house i imagine if you implement the same method so that you can sort of create a slide where the food cannot actually enter your stomach in any meaningful way.

31:37You're just drinking a bottle of lube. It's just like eating something to slide through, like a slip and slide. Almond butter and Astroglide. We're going to read what Tim says you can do. I consume 100 to 200 milligrams of caffeine or 16 ounces of cooled yerba mate at the most crap-laden meals. My favorite green supplement, Athletic Greens, mentioned in the schedule, doesn't contain caffeine, but will also help. Does this really work? Taking the goodies from taste buds to toilet without much storage in between? More than a few people have told me it's pure science fiction. Too much information warning.

32:13I disagree, and for good reason. Rather than debate meta-studies, I simply weighed my poo. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Hell yeah. Fuck a meta-study, dude. Shit on a scale. identical volumes of food on and off the protocol on protocol equals much more poo mass equals less absorption equals fewer chocolate croissants that take up residence on my apps simple but effective perhaps good to leave out of a first date conversation definitely he's doing the work you know this is what before we had meta-analyses right before we had the studies to analyze guys were just shitting on scales right this is what isaac newton would have done I love that he's like, I'm not going to get into these meta studies.

33:01Instead, I weighed my shit. What are you, a fucking nerd? Weigh your poop? I'm like squatting over a bathroom scale. It's so absurd. And it really feels like he presents this in a way that is very much like, guys, I cracked the code. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the meantime, you are, I guess, fishing poop out of your toilet and weighing it? Like, what are we doing here? Is there any basis to this at all? Michael, I like how you're at. You're like, so, Aubrey, did you look into this? Yeah, I want the medicine. This guy is shitting on a scale, Michael. All right? No, I fact-checked a lot of things for this episode.

33:38I did not fact-check the poop weighing. Also, it's like, good to leave out of a first date conversation? Dude, good to leave out of your book. No one wants to hear about this. I would rather you fraudulently create a peer-reviewed study than tell me about this. He says that there's a third principle, which is engaging in brief muscular contractions throughout your binge. Kegels? Like butt kegels? Like intestinal kegels? No, he's doing like wall squats. Like he does like a wall sit. He does, he says wall tricep extensions and 60 to 120 seconds of total air squats. immediately prior to eating main courses on his binge day oh my god dude so he's like going to fucking pizza hut just like squatting down next to the booth yeah and then like getting up to do fucking calisthenics for two minutes before he like eats a whole pizza like it's it's extremely So not only is like the food miserable to eat six days a week because he refuses to allow for seasoning or whatever, but you have to do wall squats.

34:52Yeah. In public on your binge day. Because you might enjoy it. Right. Don't get caught enjoying your food. I'm at the Buffalo Wild Wings holding a wall squat for three minutes. so he has a whole argument here about how doing these sort of brief exercises and muscle contractions brings glucose transporters to the surface of muscle cells opening more gates for the calories to flow into where is he getting this shit he's just making he's using big words to make it sound real but like what is he talking about michael he's not making it up it's based on one japanese rat study oh great okay cool just because someone reads his blog does not make them a japanese rat so earlier mike you mentioned stacks oh yeah tim ferris experiments on himself on which ones he thinks are most effective for weight loss he talks about one of his most effective stacks being the quote-unquote classic eca stack and i was like what the fuck is an eca stack ephedrine caffeine and aspirin yeah oh what he talks about having done this eca stack ephedrine caffeine and aspirin ephedrine now banned yeah because so many people died from using it and also because you can use it to make meth my stack of uh chlorine and bleach so his current preferred stack is now the p-a-g-g stack it consists of pcp garlic extract bath salt green tea and an antioxidant that naturally exists in meat and some vegetables like i googled it it's alpha lipoic acid and i was like what the fuck is this and they're like it's in broccoli and steak and i was like oh well have some broccoli and a steak yes sounds less cool when you're like i eat some broccoli and drink too these guys are constantly bragging about how easy they are to dupe right because they're like oh this supplement changes everything but like they're just falling for like marketing claims ultimately take a fucking one a day like yeah

36:58part of what makes it complicated is the supplements themselves part of it is the schedule i am sending the schedule this one has a bunch of sciencey names uh so apologies in advance to whoever yeah peter all right i'll do it how did i do it i followed a simple supplement regimen. Morning. No explode 11. Two scoops. That's like an anti-diarrhea medication. Yeah. No explode. No explode. If you mix that with the diarrheals that he takes. And just let him fight it out inside of you. That's intestinal confusion. May the best man win. All right. No explode 11. Two scoops. Slow niacin or timed release niacinamide.

37:43500 milligrams. Each meal chromate pre-workout body quick post-workout mycelian prior to bed polycosinol polycosinol chromate again alpha lipoic acid and slow niacin this is like a lot of steps to take each day and he's using these names like no explode and slow niacin and chromate and that kind of stuff most of these are pretty common things no explode 11 is just a pre-workout so he's taking a pre-workout fresh out of bed that's right yeah my workout is the entire day so i take a pre-workout right when i wake up like it's just caffeine and creatine this man is caffeinated to the fucking max yeah by the way slow niacin is niacinamide it's just a b vitamin timed release yeah vitamin right and okay all of this is just like you could all get all of these as like nature made supplements at target or whatever right like these are not like hard things to find but when he lists the like ah yes i'm using 23 milligrams of polycosinol yeah it gives the whole thing sort of a mystique of being much more like stem oriented than yeah yeah right he's giving his readers this veneer of science for things that are totally just like, take your vitamins.

39:15Also, I'm trying to like count up how many pills he's taking. It's a lot. Right. So if he's doing this in the morning at each meal before workout, after workout and prior to bed, there's like pumping your body with like these weird powders when like you don't need even like the pre-workout post-workout stuff is like fake. You don't need this shit. Like have a banana. He also is careful to note that you only follow the schedule six days a week and you take one day off each week from your stacks. Wait, what? And then you also take one week off every two months and quote, this week off is critical.

39:51Yes. You got to keep your metabolism guessing. Don't let your metabolism fucking rest on its laurels. Yeah, you want to be constantly switching between constipation and diarrhea at a rate that baffles the intestines. unsurprisingly he's also a cold plunge guy oh yeah unsurprisingly he's also like generally a health gadget guy so he advocates using a glucometer which is a monitor that you install on your body to continually monitor your blood sugar levels does he have the poop camera not to my knowledge but this book was written before the existence of poop cam peter this is an actual thing that exists you can get something that attaches to the side of your toilet the kohler decoder that films your toilet bowl and like there's an app that gives you like quote unquote insights but the insights are like how many times did you poop yesterday like it's not actually well hydrated or not well hydrated no i like that i why should i have to look you know i just i want an app to just uh every time i take a shit i don't look i uh immediately i just stand right up and then it it sends me a notification that says gross he uses a continuous glucose monitor a thing that is straightforwardly unnecessary for people who are not diabetic i looked up the glucose monitor that he recommends it's the dexcom 7 it lasts for two weeks on your body and it costs 120 per monitor it's more just him being a rube it's like this is not meaningful data that you really need.

41:27Yeah, he has this belief that if you keep your blood sugar under 100, that you will sustain fat loss for longer. He also writes, quote, don't want to become diabetic, want to curb things like eating sweets, which can lead to adult onset diabetes. Try using a glucometer for 24 hours. Oh, he like recommends this? Yes. Oh, my God. Essentially, the argument that he's making is like, do you not want to become diabetic? Start living like you have diabetes. Watch everything you eat, exercise in really specific ways, wear a glucometer and, you know, maybe take some diabetes meds, right? As a bunch of biohackers suggest taking like metformin and stuff like that, right?

42:10Like, so it is this really odd thing where I'm like, I just try mapping that onto to other illnesses. Like it would be really weird if someone was like, I don't want to get cancer. So I'm going to do preemptive chemo. Or like, uh, if you want to avoid chlamydia, just wear a condom at all times. No matter what you're doing. Wake up almond butter Z pack. Before we dig in on the last chapter that we're really going to focus in on, we have a little interval that I have just titled in my notes. Uh, Tim Ferriss is weird about women. There's one section that he calls the math of beauty. Oh, no. Are we doing like symmetry stuff?

42:48We're not leaning away from phrenology. I won't say that. Michael, you are up. What do Marilyn Monroe, Sophia Loren, and Elle McPherson have in common? The number 0.7 and the letters WHR. If you measured the waist and hip circumference of these three women, you'd find that their waists are 7 tenths the size of their hips. That makes their waist-to-hip ratio, WHR, 0.7. and this ratio in females appears to be hardwired into the male brain as a sign of fertility and therefore attractiveness. The wider your waist is, the higher this ratio goes toward the apple-shaped 1.0, which correlates in scientific studies with decreased estrogen levels, increased disease risk, increased birth complications, and lower fertility rates.

43:33Working toward a more slender waist has been shown to have a greater effect on attractiveness than reducing hip size. If your waist to hip ratio is high, dropping it even a little bit will increase your power, health and hotness to attract a male partner. Nice. Peter, go ahead. I know you think about this all the time. This is how you talk to your boys when you're like, you're not Hermione Aubrey. Look, I don't get bogged down by the numbers. I know it when I see it. No, if you think about this often enough, you won't need to do the measurements. You'll be able to just shout them out as a woman passes.

44:06The advisor seems to be you should work toward a more slender waist rather than working toward smaller hips. But like women, like people cannot do this. You can't really control the build of your body. And also he's doing this bizarre sort of scientific laundering of like, ah, yes, this is hardwired into the male brain. Right. He's sort of reverse engineering like this is what I am attracted to. And this is like a contemporary beauty standard. Ergo. Right. it's like a biological imperative the women that i'm attracted to are like super healthy and like super fertile it's big no fatties energy for sure it's for sure like the need to sort of make these things quantifiable it's so fucking bizarre yeah why can't you just feel like they're hot it's so fucking weird what do marilyn monroe sophia loren and ella mcpherson have in common they're fucking hot dude all right just hot babes and there's also no point that involves like asking women what they like.

45:04Because I want to know what ratio they like in men. What's the healthiest, like, dick-to-chin ratio? Yeah, exactly. Okay, so the ratio is shoulder-to-waist. How dare you? Oh, wait, is it actually in there? He does include that. Wait, what is it? I think it's 0.8 shoulder-to-waist-to-shoulder ratio, so your waist should be... Yeah, I saw that on like, masculinemen.tumblr.com. Yeah, you made the same fucking joke! I recently heard of a podcaster who was included on Tumblr that has exactly that ratio. It's interesting to me. Notably, those ratios both come from studies of men. They're asking men what they think is the right ratio for men to have.

45:40They're not asking women. Yeah, because if you ask men, they'll talk about how big his shoulder should be. But if you ask women, they'll talk about how big his heart should be. What's the dick to heart ratio?

45:53So that was sort of the beginnings of him getting weird about women. he does have a whole chapter called improving sex i'm gonna let peter take it from here peter and that is where shit gets the weirdest if you are listening to this podcast as some people do with your kids and you would rather not have like a more uh explicit discussion of sex and genitals you're an hour into the podcast episode about shit and you know what no this isn't okay you're about to hear about intercourse the chapter title is the 15 minute female orgasm oh how long it lasts how long it takes what happened to four he gets very sort of granular uh in his advice here and as a certified gay lady his advice in this chapter is fucking nutso okay at one point he just tosses out that he's like i talked to a number of experts about this yeah it's my buddy jimmy

46:54to his credit the quote-unquote experts that he cites are all women okay so at one point he just tosses out that he had this conversation with a quote-unquote specialist in female ejaculation yeah you gotta weigh it you gotta weigh it he doesn't say anything about like what does that mean right um he just says ah yes my friend Tallulah a specialist in female ejaculation what Tallulah tells him is that for most women there is a most sensitive part of the clitoris and she's like if you're imagining a clock face and you are facing a woman's vagina and her clitoris it would be at about one o 'clock what it's off center Aubrey I'm a gay man and Peter's never given a woman an orgasm so you're gonna have to slow you're gonna explain this very slowly I just do the alphabet like a gentleman I like called a bunch of other gay lady friends being like, hey, am I fucking high or is this nothing?

47:52One o 'clock in a vagina is crazy. That's nuts. It's like just off the clitoris. He's next to it. You're just like slightly missing the clitoris. You know it works. If you use the one o 'clock trick, it will take a full 15 minutes. In addition to his sort of fat loss stacks that he takes, he also has a pre-sex protocol. What? Vitamins? He's like, stop, honey. He's like scooping powder into a cup frantically as she's like naked in the bedroom. Slapping on my nicotine patch. 24 to 48 hours before you want to have incredible sex, as he puts it. What? 48 hours. When you get the Gmail calendar invite for sex.

48:40You should, quote, eat at least 800 milligrams of cholesterol within three hours of bedtime the night before you want to have incredible sex. Oh, my God. It's bottoming advice. Why before bed? Testosterone is derived from cholesterol, which is primarily produced at night during sleep. What? Ladies, if a guy ever goes nuts at the one o 'clock on your vagina the night before, he was loading up on cholesterol. In his defense, he's had seven eggs in the last 15 minutes. He's like scarfing hard-boiled eggs. Just eating half a pound of shrimp. I mean, like one o 'clock, one o 'clock, one o 'clock. So that's 24 hours before.

49:24He also has a protocol for four hours prior to sex. Sex should not be a spontaneous thing. Sex is all about protocols. This part of it does feel very Brian Johnson in that I'm like, oh, you're not comfortable with human relationships. and like feeling shit out with people. So like you got to come up with a whole song and dance to like make it okay and to sort of like assuage your nervousness about like having sex with someone. What if you're going to hook up the next day and then she like calls you or she like texts you. She's like, I'm so horny. Let's just do it tonight. And you're like five eggs deep.

49:58Well, if you have four hours of notice, then you eat four Brazil nuts, 20 raw almonds and two capsules of fermented cod liver oil and butter. This is like an avoidance strategy when you're like so afraid of women. You're like, I can't. I haven't had my Brazil nuts. He really seems like a dude who is uncomfortable with women telling a bunch of stories with a bunch of bravado. Yeah. Tim uses this sort of quote unquote information to set himself on a quest to quote facilitate female orgasms with as many partners as he could. Again, why is this in your diet and exercise book? Because he wants to tell the boys how good he is with the ladies.

50:43Because he had 120 pages and they were like, we need 60 more. He talks about, like, he tells little stories about several of the women that he includes in this quest. The first one he describes as, quote, a 25-year-old female yoga instructor fresh from the Midwest, where you're just like, fresh. And in his telling of the story, she unprompted volunteers to him that she has never had an orgasm. And he's like, well, I'm the guy. All right. I just had my Brazil nuts. We got 15 minutes before they wear off. Give me a dozen eggs in 24 hours, honey.

51:23He writes, quote, my quest for the elusive female O had begun. The outcome four weeks later was better than I ever could have imagined. The four week orgasm. I was able to facilitate orgasms. The word facilitate will be explained later in every woman who acted as a test subject. Oh, God. What the fuck is going on? The results? Those who'd never experienced manual only orgasm were able to do so. And those who'd never experienced penetration only orgasm were also able to do so. The success rate was 100%. Dude, whenever I write a self-help book, like any nonfiction book, I'm including a chapter about how good at sex I am.

52:03That woman then introduces him to an organization. You two may or may not have heard of it called One Taste. Have either of you heard of One Taste? No. It's a Bay Area organization that has been accused of being a cult. It has paid a lot of former employee settlements for labor law violations, sexual abuse. They have a Netflix documentary about how fucking dark One Taste is. And that is where he goes to learn this quote unquote 15 minute orgasm business, right? That's the kind of shit that a cult leader would tell you. There's a secret clit. It's just to the right of the regular one. What is this organization though?

52:49Officially? They essentially are having people come in to get coached on their sex technique. So they come in with a partner. There is a coach who watches you. sometimes a group of people who watches you and then you get like notes and direction. It's like a sex Kumon learning center. They do have this sort of framework that they use where they talk about, quote unquote, orgasmic meditation. They sort of have this sort of construction built in that is like, whether you have an orgasm or not is immaterial because you are participating in orgasmic meditation. Yeah. I've been telling women that for years.

53:28we are we're like sort of spiritually participating in a cosmic orgasm so whether or not you are coming in the real world is irrelevant and i am coming just so we're all clear but you he also consults another expert named nina hartley are either of you familiar with nina Hartley. Is it porn? Yep. So Nina Hartley is sort of in the like Ron Jeremy, Jenna Jameson vein of like a porn actor who sort of crossed over into more pop culture notoriety, right? In the book, Tim Ferriss writes that other porn actors have said that Nina Hartley was, quote, the best sex of their life. And he says, so does my friend Sylvester.

54:17Oh, would that be Stallone? No, he just says he has a friend named Sylvester. Oh, what? Okay. Who had sex with Nina Hartley. Cool. Yo, you know Nina Hartley? My friend hooked up with her.

54:33This is the most for the fucking boys anecdote that we will read in this entire - All right, Peter's doing it. Peter's doing it. All right. Sylvester's mom attended a group dinner in Berkeley, California, that Nina also happened to be attending, and the two ended up seated next to each other. Mrs. Norwood came home and said to then 22-year-old Sylvester, guess who I was at dinner with? A famous porn star, Nina Hartley. Have you ever heard of her? Sylvester nearly choked. In his secret double life, he had a huge collection of videos featuring Nina, his personal snow leopard. What? I don't know.

55:09Mom, I have to meet her. If I never do anything again in this life, I must meet Nina Hartley. Three days of insistent begging and nagging later, Sylvester's mom raised a hand and picked up the phone. Hi, Nina. It's Mrs. Norwood. I had such a wonderful time meeting you at the party. Listen, I have a question for you. Do you ever make love to younger men? What? Yep. Nina's answer. Why, yes. I love breaking in younger men, but only once. and so it happened summary coolest mom ever dude there's like progressive parents and then there's like when progressive parents go too far this is like too much sex positivity in the family no thankfully this is fake but the best case scenario here is that sylvester made this up to impress his friend tim imagine you make up this crazy bullshit story about uh fucking a porn star and then uh like your friend puts it in a best-selling book yeah i didn't realize the stakes were so high when i was lying to you about having sex with nina hartley do you guys remember there was an ad for like it was like coors or something in the 90s it was like i like beer with my friends watching football with my friends and twins yeah do you guys remember that of course yeah era of like just like we're just being so fucking horny in public all the time this is like very presumptuous like the it's not but to be like hey you're you're kind of professionally uh you have professional sex will you yeah doesn't this make you kind of a slut will you just fuck my son like you have no standards so do you want to fuck my son she's not even like yeah like is he cute?

57:03Is he nice? When I was in high school, all my friends were straight dudes. And so as people turned 18 on their 18th birthday, we would all go to the local strip club, which was right next to my high school. And so I went to strip clubs a decent amount my final year of high school, because I turned 18 first. And one of the things you saw fairly regularly at strip clubs was a dad and a son would go there together. And I remember very vividly a man and a son getting, like lap dances next to each other. And then the dad just goes up for a high five and like high fives his son. What on earth? And I think all of us were like, oh, what are we doing?

57:44Upsetting stuff. Also, this is not like it's not a cool story. No, it's really not. If my friend told me this story about themselves, I'd be weirded out. Right. But the fact that he's telling it to us about his friend thinking that it's cool, it's almost it's so weird. like nothing about it is cool the mom doesn't seem cool no and now you're telling me this story as if it's cool it's weird the whole thing's bizarre this all exists in this how-to section on the 15 minute orgasm he does have some steps to follow step one quote explain to your partner that it is a goalless practice this is 100 critical there is no objective just focus on a single point of contact.

58:31The phrasing should emphasize this and remove all expectations and pressure quote. I'm going to touch you for 15 minutes. You don't need to do anything and you don't need, you don't have to do anything afterward. There's nowhere to get to nothing to make happen. Just focus on the single point of contact. It's an exercise. This is you just like poking the one o 'clock mark, but also like this strikes me as like, he's not saying this to her. He's saying this to himself. Yeah. This is a goalless practice, guys. We didn't say we were going to get anywhere. We didn't say anything was going to get accomplished.

59:05Eat an egg, take a deep breath, and get in there. He goes really hard on how much focus this will take from the dude. He writes, quote, This technique requires 15 minutes of 100 % concentration on approximately three square millimeters of contact. Nothing more. Oh, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke. That's too slow, Michael. It should be like a hummingbird. You shouldn't even, you know. woodpecker yeah i i love that he's like this will be incredibly difficult there is no goal like he's doing this like like the kung fu master montage from kill bill he does tell you to get a kitchen timer and set it for 15 minutes to take the pressure off yeah yeah no that'll take the pressure that ticking sound yeah yeah we're in this calculus is like what is this woman thinking it's really strange to me the kinds of gymnastics that he goes through to avoid like just being vulnerable with a partner right right and being like here's what i want what do you want right and like actually just fucking negotiating it on some level or like talking it through he talks us through this whole how-to and then he gives us an example of like guys here's how fucking well this shit works get ready the next chapter is called sex machine one adventures in tripling testosterone oh no and he opens with an anecdote about a ceo that he sometimes hooks up with named vesper what okay it's really amazing to me how many anecdotes he includes of people that he knows and includes their first and last name sylvester norwood right fuck nina hartley at his mom's arranging oh yeah i didn't realize that you could just piece together sylvester's full name from this.

1:00:56Oh, yeah. Also, it's hilarious that his mom, according to this transcript, said, hi, Nina, it's Mrs. Norwood. Also, like, how many CEOs named Vesper are there? I was going to say, I will read this passage, Peter. You Google Vesper CEO. All right. Mike, I believe you're up. Okay. The last time we met, I had just taken my total testosterone from 244.8 to 653.3 nanograms per deciliter while cutting my estrogen in half. I just returned from Nicaragua, where I ate grass fed beef three times a day for 21 days. I had protein loaded for the last three days, eating two to three pounds of fatty organic grass fed beef per day, including at least 400 grams just before bed.

1:01:42Dude, this guy smells like a fucking barn. The result? 15 minutes after we sat down, Vesper was in a sexually aggressive stupor. The bread hadn't arrived and she was already claiming on top of me. This is not a boast. This is not penthouse forum. It's a statement of pure confusion. She's a CEO and this is not typical public CEO behavior. Oh, so it's a public company too? He's just like giving us breadcrumbs. The whole spectacle was surreal. She was literally intoxicated on pheromones. Oh, he's saying the beef like made her smell him. Yeah. And then she like went bananas this is like if jordan peterson was horny yeah no he's saying that he has been uh like cholesterol maxing to allow him to increase testosterone production right this is his previous sort of thinking about this like eat a bunch of cholesterol so your body can convert it into testosterone and he's saying not only did it work it worked so much that it was like invasion of the fucking body snatchers for this lady right when she saw the beef tallow coming out of my pores she couldn't resist she can smell a clogged artery absolutely i was like man he has been eating beef three times a day dude for 21 days and he's also saying uh yes i have all this medical equipment at my house and i get blood work done all the fucking time and i but three weeks of beef for every meal is gonna show up in your blood work in ways other than testosterone this Why is every rich guy the same kind of weird?

1:03:18At some point, they all start beef maxing. Yeah, it's crazy. Although this was also like 2010 is early to beef maxing, but it's also closer to the generation of men who did literally just only eat beef as a matter of practice and principle. The whole thing is kind of fucking nuts. I think it also makes more sense when you consider like how close in time this is to the premiere of like vh1's the pickup artist yeah and like the rules and that kind of stuff right that you're like he's trying to do like a sciencey version of like a shitty misogynist sort of dating book right you're doing card trick tricks i'm eating beef yeah yeah eating more beef and doing things from like a third party instructor rather than asking your partner what she likes right hummingbird speed karate chops on the one o 'clock

1:04:15one of the last things that i find really fascinating about this diet book is how it is received in different sort of corners of media book reviews are straightforwardly like this is bullshit. The New York Times book review writes, quote, the four hour body reads as if the New England Journal of Medicine had been hijacked by the editors of the SkyMall catalog. Some of this junk might actually work, but you're going to be embarrassed doing it or admitting to your friends that you're trying it. This is a man who, after all, weighs his own feces, likes bloodletting as a life extension strategy and aims a phillips go light at his body in place of ingesting caffeine i love that you skipped the bloodletting i feel like there's too much in the episode i did another one is medical reviews like actual doctors reviewing the book and what did they say about the bloodletting one of them comes from uh psychology today the title of the review is quote, how to not become superhuman.

1:05:21Psychology Today. Yeah, it's not great. Sort of on the outskirts of what I would consider reputable. But even they are like, hmm. Psychology Today in their review from this MD, right? Quote, so why does this good guy industry insider and potent scientific self-experimenter write immediately after the title page, please don't be stupid and kill yourself. It would make both of us quite unhappy. and then says you should, quote, consult a doctor before doing anything in this book. Why is the publisher writing that they and the author, quote, expressly disclaim responsibility for any adverse effects that may result from the user application of the information contained in this book?

1:06:03There's a full, like, legal liability release at the end of the book. To buy it, you have to, like, sign a waiver. So, like, book reviews, no. Ostensibly scientific sources, is no tech crunch yes tech crunch likes it yes they wrote a review in 2011 called the four hour body colon the real app you are working on is the app called yourself yeah yeah i'm in i'm listening and that's just a clean succinct headline so i just sent a little quote from the tech crunch review for whoever. When I boarded the four-hour train, our fancy-schmancy scale reported that I weighed 197.6 pounds. Ten days later, after morning coffee and protein, 187.

1:06:50For calibration, I'm 6 '1". I assume most of the difference is water weight, but still, that part actually seems to work as advertised. But still! Yeah. He says, I expected no less, given the data that drove it. I know, I know. Why are you writing about your lunch on TechCrunch? Because my lunch is a data-driven iteration from the previous state of the art. In other words, a technical innovation. Oh, my God. Look beyond the valley, and you'll find that approach can and will pay dividends almost anywhere. He's like, you may think this is silly, but it's a science-based approach. You're literally just listening to some guy.

1:07:28Why are you writing about your lunch in a technology website? Because there's data involved, dude. And like the data such as it is, is Tim Ferriss tried some stuff on Tim Ferriss and then some people read his blog and emailed him about the stuff that they tried. The scale that you weigh your poop on is technology.

1:08:11Thank you.