How Lisa Axios Rebuilt Her Life From the Ground Up

0:00Adam Holbrook: If you've ever worked with someone who creates chaos, plays the victim, and blames everyone else, then this podcast is for you. So here's your host, Adam Holbrook.

0:20Lisa Axios: Welcome to the Managing Difficult People podcast. I am your host, Adam Holbrook. The reason I created the Managing Difficult People podcast, I said I want to create a place, a safe place, where listeners can listen in to my story, my guest stories, and maybe gain awareness of what's holding them back in their own lives and have a pathway forward. I work with schools and organizations who want to change culture. Because here's the thing is when you stop talking about changing culture and actually do something about it, that's actually where the magic happens. Teams are more excited to show up. People are more grateful and will go the extra mile.

1:03Lisa Axios: And the bottom line increases as well. There's a variety of different ways we accomplish this, including masterminds, book studies, workshops, connection exercises, personality assessments, and so much more. If you're interested in finding out more, go ahead and email me at adam-holbrook.com. Today, on the podcast, I have a real treat for everyone. I have my friend, Lisa Axios. And Lisa, I met Lisa about five years ago at a John Maxwell leadership convention. And we connected and we've stayed in touch. And I am so excited that she's on the show today. And I want to share a little bit about Lisa before we get into the interview.

1:53Lisa Axios: In 2010, Lisa fled an abusive home to a hotel with her five children and a single credit card in her name. Eight years later, she stood on the stage in that same hotel speaking to 300 real estate agents on navigating change. That full circle moment became her calling. Today, Lisa is a Maxwell Leadership Executive Coach. She's an award-winning luxury realtor and a highly sought-out public speaker in the greater Boston area. She founded the Axios Group Real Estate Services and the Lipstick and Push-Ups Collective, helping businesswomen achieve their dreams. The changes she has made in her life are the changes she sees in you.

2:52Lisa Axios: Every speech she gives, every client she coaches receives the focus and passion that helped her get to where she is today. Please welcome to the Managing Difficult People podcast, Lisa Axios.

3:07Adam Holbrook: Hello, Adam. I am so excited to be here. This is really such a treat.

3:13Lisa Axios: I am so excited that you're here. Now, the audience wants to know, we're in 2010, and I know that you and your ex-husband had a bunch of restaurants. You had like several different restaurants at the time. You're successful. Things are happening. And you decide to leave and take your five children. Can you take us through the scenario, why you decided to leave, what your life even looked like at that time?

3:44Adam Holbrook: so it's a great question this is what life on the outside looked pretty awesome you know we had a nice big house we owned our business owned the land and the restaurant that it was on it was on the water we had vacation home in florida we had another piece of land we were ready to build a log cabin up in vermont we had five kids they were great in school i mean everything looked you know great on the outside. But really behind the scenes, there were a lot of people who knew things weren't quite right. But because behind the scenes, there was a lot of abuse. There was a lot of very scary moments for me and my kids.

4:24Adam Holbrook: And I had tried to leave my husband a couple of different times. So when we were 25, we opened our first big restaurant, our first small restaurant, I should say. And we were 25 and we had all these dreams and we had one child little by little, all of a sudden, you know, we're growing. And I don't know, it was like, he just went a little nuts and we were successful. And I kept thinking, well, maybe we just need a day off. Maybe we just need this, maybe, you know, making excuses for the way he was behaving. And it certainly didn't get better. We opened another one, same kind of thing happened, you know, thinking that, well, maybe we can leverage, maybe things can change.

5:06Adam Holbrook: And that didn't happen. We bought a big, beautiful building. I don't know. I'm like, I deliver hope. And I feel like I'm always looking for the goodness and the good in people and gave him chance after chance. So when I finally left, we were a cash business and he had all the money. So I had one credit card. I took my kids and I went to this hotel room. It was a one bedroom, five kids, hot. For some reason, it was like, all I can remember is it being so hot in that room. I mean, and I was petrified. It was shaking the whole night long and the kids were too. So that was the final time of leaving.

5:48Adam Holbrook: And I think

5:49Lisa Axios: you had left, you've left before that point too. And then this was like, I'm completely done.

5:55Adam Holbrook: And I thought I had done that prior. And I called an attorney. Someone told me about who was also like, he was also a hostage negotiator, Boston police officer prior. And he said, Lisa, you know, you just have to do it. You have to just cut the cord this time. He said, you need courage. And I thought, I have courage. You have no idea what I've been going through. I have so much courage. And he said, no, that is not courage. Courage is leaving and completely staying away. So I took a real leap of faith because I had no money and I knew we had a cash business. And all of a sudden, it was me and the kids on our own trying to figure things out and went from this, you know, wonderful life to now I could find a job and I'd owned my own business for so many years, but I couldn't stay there.

6:46Adam Holbrook: And he certainly wasn't going to watch the kids and me around the restaurant. So it's kind of.

6:52Lisa Axios: Wow. Wow. What a story. Thank you for sharing that. It must've been a really difficult spot. So the kids, how old were they at the time?

7:01Adam Holbrook: They were just turning four up to 18, just turned 18. The oldest had just turned 18. Okay.

7:08Lisa Axios: And now you are looking for a job, but you also have to be a mom.

7:12Adam Holbrook: Yes.

7:13Lisa Axios: You also have to figure out your life. Do you think you even fully thought through the process of what was going to be involved on your own? I admire you so much for leaving that. And there's so many questions that are coming to me right now, but let's stay with this right now.

7:29Adam Holbrook: I think at that point I was more afraid of my life as it was than thinking about what was going to happen because I had been down that road so many times going to you know it's really here's something I know when I look at some people and what I feel like me I kind of felt like I looked at people like please help me please help me I thought I had that in my eyes sometimes I would look at people and sometimes I see some people. And I feel like I see that in their face, you know, I see that. And so, you know how they say, no one's coming to save you.

8:08Lisa Axios: Yeah.

8:09Adam Holbrook: Really? No one's coming to save you. You have to make up your own mind. And so when I left, I knew I had to make a real decision. Decision means cut off and not go back for the last time. Because I remember each time I went back, 10 minutes later, I would say to myself, oh my goodness, now I'm stuck and I can't leave again. It's been 10 minutes and I already know it was a bad choice.

8:33Lisa Axios: And does that feeling come to you every single day? Because I've been in toxic relationships before and it was so easy to go back to them because you actually miss, I don't know what it is that you miss, but you miss that connection you miss that life you miss but then every time you go back it's that same repetitive heart crushing and you think it's going to be different the next time and I know that some people can change and it sounded like you gave him chance after chance and I so many so many and I just had this conversation because you know I just had a conversation with a woman who struggled with this was married for 28 years and struggled with the exact same thing.

9:24Lisa Axios: And the priest had told her to work this out, like work this out. You know, marriage is sacred and we need to work this out. Did that come into your thinking?

9:38Adam Holbrook: A hundred percent. You know, so, so many of those words or phrases like the devil, you know, is better than the devil. You don't know. How many times I said that to myself, or I did go to my priest and he was, you know, he actually talked to him. We had a conversation. I went to places. So my husband grew up in Greece. We met in Greece and we lived over there before we came here. So I went to other people who he knew other Greek people kind of, I was just like showing up in places that I was hoping people could kind of see the pain I was in, but I was afraid to verbally say it. And I find, you know, I work with some women who are in positions similar to that, where everything on the outside, sometimes they have a lot of money.

10:26Adam Holbrook: Sometimes they have like this beautiful lifestyle and behind the door, it is a nightmare. But breaking that open causes a problem for the husband, you know, their money, right? Not only what you're going to get, but the reputation of your husband or yourself. And it's like that hidden, scary spot that a lot of people don't think of. We always think of the poverty type of place, like that's where the abuse happens. But the bigger the house, the bigger the problems is what I've found.

11:00Lisa Axios: And so now that you are living in a hotel, how long did you stay at the hotel for?

11:05Adam Holbrook: Just a few nights. We moved in with my mom for just a short little bit. There was a time I moved in with my grandmother. Oh my goodness. There were multiple different times, but it wasn't very long.

11:18Lisa Axios: And what is your relationship with your ex now? Do you get to communicate because you still share the kids? And what are the kids' relationship with?

11:26Adam Holbrook: Right now, there's really no relationship. He doesn't really have anything to do with anyone. He basically divorced all of us. In the very beginning, the kids would go back and work at the restaurant, and they would call me and say, could you come and pick me up? He fired me again. And you know how difficult it was because of having a cash business? Our Florida house went foreclosed. We had like a multifamily up here that was an investment property, short sales. he stopped paying everything. And so it was pretty desperate, you know, everything. So my credit was like an 820. Boom. All of a sudden it was like 585.

12:07Lisa Axios: So what would you say to somebody else that's going through this exact situation that's maybe left a few times, but keeps coming back and is generally sad and is hoping that a change is going to happen? Does the other person need to be willing? What is that point?

12:23Adam Holbrook: I guess it's probably different for everyone. I hear some people go right away. They're out. For me, it got to the point I was his, you know, victim. My kids were peripheral, you know, he would be little, but he wasn't like physically, you know, abusive with them. But he started to say things to one of my oldest son, like, you just like your mom, You're just like your mom. And that's when I was like, oh, this is not good. I knew it wasn't good, but something clicked in my head that I needed to save them. And you always know, I mean, it's caught, not taught. Are they going to catch what he does?

13:05Adam Holbrook: So I guess when he started to really hone in on them a little bit more, that was it. I was done. Totally done.

13:14Lisa Axios: okay so now you move into the house with your mother you lived at the hotel a few nights you go and move in your mother your grandmother and because you obviously need help you need to be able to find a job and you need to have the kids supported seen to school being able to do that where do you find work and how did that balance was one income enough how did you make it all work and how did you get to the point because people are listening to the podcast right now and they're like, wow, that's so me right now. Like I can relate to Lisa so much, but how do I get from that spot where everything is falling apart?

13:53Lisa Axios: It's an, I'm in an abusive relationship to actually being an independent, strong woman where I can take care of myself and my family.

14:02Adam Holbrook: So I ended up having a restraining order and he was removed from the house. so I got the house back and that was pretty quick because he was at work I went to court had that done so I came back into the house and he couldn't come into the house there's a whole

14:18Lisa Axios: crazy story about that I've heard that crazy story yeah so we have some other crazy stories that go with that but I came back into the house so he was out and to this day he still lives in

14:32Adam Holbrook: the restaurant. Wow. Yeah. You know, he travels a lot. He does things, but we don't have a relationship. I mean, we don't talk even, you know, we've been to court multiple times because of kind of the icky stuff. But I must say that once I got out, I realized it was scary, but I finally realized that I could create my own life. I was there with him thinking that he was the one who was keeping me stable and safe and the business going. Well, the business has gone downhill like pretty quickly because he's a terrible manager. He's one of those managing difficult people. He's very difficult. So he always had a hard time with that.

15:18Adam Holbrook: So it never, and we were very successful. So he started to realize that, oh, okay, I am okay because I was not feeling like that. and you get to the other side. I went back to a woman that I worked for prior to my restaurant. I was an esthetician. I didn't, I let my license go. I was a nail technician. I let everything go. I went back to her. I said, is my job available? It's only been like 20 something years. She said, well, give me a pedicure, give me a facial. And that was, I left on Friday from the restaurant. That was Wednesday that I did that. And I had a job by Friday of the next week. Wow.

16:00Adam Holbrook: So it didn't pay much, but I worked every second I could. My kids were in school. They were used to being alone a lot. So maybe I was really lucky about that. If they had an after-school activity, they had to find a way or walk home or whatever. And my youngest was in a preschool that I would pick her up by six o 'clock. So I got to work and I worked my butt off doing everything I possibly could. If there was a new thing coming in, I was doing it. If there was a contest, I won. If there was something to sell, I sold it. You have to be willing to do that. And I know a lot of women are not willing to do that.

16:36Adam Holbrook: They want to take care of the kids and make sure they're okay. I find that a lot. They're like, well, you know, I said, you know what? Your kids are going to be fine. They're watching you. You've got to provide for them. You have to provide for them. That's your job now. so you kind of take your foot off the big mothering thing and I had worked seven days a week anyway so it was maybe easier for me but a lot of other people would find it hard to now just focus on work and I remember I would get tips and even now they still have those little tip those little yellow they're like envelopes and you'd get tips in them and I'd bring them home and I'd drop them down and my kids would go through them.

17:21Adam Holbrook: And my daughters would be like, oh, look, it's$3. Here's, oh, it's a 10. And they were like really excited. And my boys would, they're like, do you know what I thought? I didn't even hear this till much later. They're like, how are we going to live with this? So they had a completely different perspective. They thought it was horrible. And my girls were like, awesome, you know, but I would dump out all my tips. So I just worked until I could find a better job, which was real estate. I decided to become a realtor. So I saw those checks and I said, I need that.

17:58Lisa Axios: All right. So you're working, you're grinding, right? Because that's what you started to do. You said, I'm leaving my husband. I'm walking away. I'm going to start grinding and I'm going to work a lot of hours. And your kids got comfortable with being by themselves. but I do want to stop you before we actually go on to the next spot, before we go on into the real estate business is one of the things you said pre-interview is that one of your teenagers said something like, why was I even born? Why was I even born? I'd like to kind of dive into that because they see all these changes happening. Mommy is going from house to hotel to a house to grandma's house to the other house.

18:37And now they're struggling.

18:39Lisa Axios: How did that even happen?

18:42Adam Holbrook: That was, I've probably heard that from a couple of them for the years. Because they were going to college and we had to go through the whole FAFSA and all that stuff. And their dad had always said, you do well in school. I'll take care of everything. You don't have to worry about college. I got you. You just make sure you do well in school. And of course, none of what he said came to fruition. all of a sudden we're on our own and we had to go through all of that and I remember one of my sons saying you know if why was I even born if you couldn't take care of me if you didn't plan and this is the way it ended up like they were so disappointed and like they were fed a big lie and they were fed a big lie like you know I'll take care of you if if you do your job and yeah so that was tough that was tough they were not easy I mean most of them around that teenage years

19:38Lisa Axios: Five kids as a single mom, that's a lot. That's a lot. You're working, you're trying to make it work. So now you have all of these side hustles on top of doing nails and makeup. And what makes you decide to go into real estate? How did you even get that first break? Because if somebody is listening to this and saying, all right, look, and I know that the, I have friends that are realtors and it's a rollercoaster ride, right? It's a rollercoaster ride. And Lisa, actually, I think you were number nine in the entire, I don't know, county in the Boston area for the most real estate sold. She's incredible.

20:15Adam Holbrook: Yeah. You know, restaurants set you up for everything. One thing I heard about restaurant people, they say, you know, it's so miserable. They say you must have done something really bad in your former life to actually be in the restaurant business because it's miserable. It has happy times, but it's a lot of work. So I think it set me up. But when my neighbor was a home inspector and he came over one day and he said, Lisa, you should be in real estate. And I was like, I mean, I bought and sold, but I was never on the other side. And then I went, ended up at a grand opening of a real estate business.

20:49And I saw my home inspector friend there.

20:52Adam Holbrook: And I knew someone who said, come on in, it's free food, you know, free foods and food and drink. Come on in. And I was, her husband was a realtor. And I'm like, okay. So then he introduced me to someone and he said, he's a great mentor. So the next week I met him, we talked and I took the class on a Groupon because that's what I could afford. I had a Groupon for real estate. So I failed four times before finally passing on my fifth time. I'm sure the Groupon class was maybe part of it, but that was so humiliating. like every time to go up and find you failed. And I really was not going back more.

21:34Lisa Axios: You're like, I'm going to try it again. I'm going to try it again. I love that you failed and that you're willing to admit that. But I failed so many times.

21:41Adam Holbrook: I didn't have anything else. I went to art school and I left art school. I didn't even graduate. So I didn't have, I had my esthetician license. I had my nail license. It was a makeup artist. It didn't make me enough money to raise five kids. So I knew that I had to do something. So I was just going and going and going. And when I finally passed, I thought, oh my gosh, this is awesome. I'm so excited. And I can remember saying, you know, I need to get everybody's name, email address. I need to get their physical address, their phone number. Those are the most important things. And I asked this woman, so you have to remember I was in a cash business, sharing a laptop with all five of my kids, like one desktop.

22:25Adam Holbrook: I was not very savvy. and someone told me that I said, Gail, I want to let you know I got my real estate license. Can I practice on you about your house? I need your email. She tells me her email is gail underscore Cummings at gmail.com. I asked her to repeat it and then I was like, can you spell that? She's like, what? My name? And I'm like, no, that thing you said in the middle. I asked her to spell underscore. I had no idea, zero idea that that was a little line. She like, she spelled out underscore for me. And I was like, this is not going to work. This is not going to work. I'm such a loser.

23:09Adam Holbrook: I don't even know this. Yeah. Well, you know, I was feeling so insecure, like, oh my gosh, what am I in? And I had a beat up old red caravan. And one of my first big sales was a woman who said I was helping her to buy a house and sell a house. It was like a million dollars. She pulls up next to me in her Lexus SUV. I'm in my red caravan. It smells like sour milk. It's like car seat in the back. It's cracker crumbs. And she's on the side of me. And she asks me to roll down my window. My window doesn't roll down. So I have to get out of the car, go over and talk to her and I said this woman's never gonna hire me I felt like transparent like I don't know what I'm doing why would she hire me well she did I bought and sold her house in one day was one of my biggest days but there were a lot of wow nothing happens that fast but if

24:05Lisa Axios: that's not a true sign that you're in the right industry then I don't know what is what a great story. What a great story. So now you're working for this real estate company and you said, you know what? I'm becoming a great leader. I know how to lead a restaurant. I know how to lead other people. I'm going to start my own real estate agency. And you now said, I'm going to take the plunge and just advance myself into that. Like how did that take place?

24:37Adam Holbrook: So I was with a partner. who was actually my first mentor. And we were together and we were at one business and we decided to start a team together. And then we went to another business, decided to do another team together. Then we split up and I opened my own under a big broke. There's a big brokerage, like a umbrella, but I have my own S Corp underneath that. And I feel like even when I had that mentor, I leaned on him a lot thinking I just don't know much. And I've really been, it was great back then, but I've done very well on my own outsourcing a lot of my, I have some other real estate agents, some transaction coordinators, marketing people that are helping me.

25:23Lisa Axios: It sounded like you were insecure and you were not feeling in a good place in your own life. And now I see Lisa. I don't know that person. I only know Lisa is misconfident. She's, you know, number nine in the entire county in Boston and selling real estate. I see her as this other person, what would you say to somebody else that wants to change their life and can't roll down their windows because the windows won't come down and you're like, this woman won't work for me. And then all of a sudden you get out of your car and she's like, I want this house and I want you to sell my house. And then all of a sudden that propels you forward.

26:05What clicked?

26:06Lisa Axios: How did that happen?

26:08Adam Holbrook: Really turning in, taking a, let's say a system, because when I went into real estate, I said I'm going to do what they tell me I'm just going to do it even if it's uncomfortable even that's why there's a lot of realtors the 87 don't sell real estate you know so 87 I think fail or leave real estate within two years because you have to follow a system you have to have a schedule and I was used to like say used to rejection used to failure and every time I up leveled by doing something out of my comfort zone. You know about that, Adam. So every time you get out of your comfort zone, it's action.

26:50Adam Holbrook: We can think about it. We can talk about it. We can learn more. We can learn more. We can talk to people, but until we do it, it doesn't, you know, go inside you. And I find one of the things, having that really good morning routine helps you. Exercise to me is the endorphins. It's that's where lipstick and pushups came from. Yeah.

27:14Lisa Axios: We want to talk about that too, but yeah. Like, so tell us about this. What time do you wake up in the morning? You know, how much exercise do you do? What does that morning routine look like? And this, by the way, is if you are looking to change your life, we do these things now, not later, not when, you know, cause I work as a coach as well as Lisa. And a lot of times people will say, well, once I'm successful, I'm going to start these routines. Once I make enough money, I'll then start exercising. But as we both know is it comes through action first, just like Lisa said, action first. And then you're naturally of who you're becoming naturally starts to form.

27:55Adam Holbrook: You're so right. You're so right. There's the, it's called be, do, have, be period, do period, have period. Be the person you want to be before you're there. Do the things that person would do. If you're going to be a realtor, be that person, dress up, be ready, do the activities and you will have that. And so the same thing with exercise. So in the morning, typically it's like six o 'clock. I used to be earlier. I'm not right now. It gets a little darker. And so six o 'clock, I typically wake up. I like to exercise first because sometimes I'll do reading, but so I exercise and it would be a minimum of 30 minutes.

28:41Adam Holbrook: Sometimes that's all you need. And it's not consistent. I mean, sometimes I'll go for a run and I'm out for an hour and a half. Sometimes it's just a walk. Sometimes it's Pilates. Sometimes it's weights. So I'm not very consistent on like Monday I do this, Tuesday I do that. I wish I was, but I'm not. So exercise, I read 10 pages a day of a book and I typically like something that I'm going to learn from and then meditate or prayer and write down. I have a piece of paper that I write three gratitudes, three of the most important things I need to do today. How do I intend to show up as the best possible version of myself.

29:20Adam Holbrook: Like today I wrote energetic, a good influencer, and I am a hope dealer. So my gratitude is my health, my family, and God. Then I have every half hour blocked off and the things I need to do. So I have this, you can get it on my website. It's called win the morning, win the day. So I feel like after I do those things, it's almost like I have a armor over my body I know I'm gonna get hit with something some bad news something didn't close one of my kids is being a little shit something's gonna happen right and so I have like this armor I feel like all over me that I can take it but what you're

30:04Lisa Axios: talking about is winning the day yeah you're winning your day before the day even starts yeah right because everything is gonna like you said something is gonna go wrong something is going to happen, but what's something that I can move me forward, even something that's so small. And I love your routine. I would love to know more about your meditation and prayer ritual, if you wouldn't mind sharing what you do. I'm still going to find a nice balance in my life.

30:31Adam Holbrook: So when I do my exercise, especially if I do it at home, I have a sauna. I'm lucky enough to have the sauna. When I go into the sauna, I sometimes listen to a prayer on YouTube or, and then afterwards I'll just kind of in my head, I will pray for each one of my kids specifically. And, you know, I remember my daughter was, you know, hoping to get pregnant and I was like, please, you know, God, give her some seeds, drop some seeds. Right. I kept saying that. And she said, mom you prayed for seeds I got twins you didn't say a seed you said and I'm like that's right

31:09Lisa Axios: that's right you know that's fantastic so I'm like yeah it happens I you know and so I try to

31:15Adam Holbrook: pray for each one of them a little specific prayer sometimes just in my head sometimes out loud but I find that I'm very lucky I feel like a lot of my prayers are answered there were times in my life where I did not think that and I remember wanting to drive into a tree because I didn't want to go home. And so, you know, I can't imagine that feeling now. So I feel very grateful. And, but typically it's like after I've done my exercise pretty much.

31:46Lisa Axios: And I mean, there, there's a lot to unload. And one of the things that I admire about you is that you actually didn't just try to survive, right? You, there was points where you were just surviving and just trying to make it, but you went from doing hair and makeup to, I mean, from being super successful and owning multiple restaurants with your ex to walking away to starting over and living in a hotel, living with your mom and living with your grandmother, and then deciding that you're going to go back and do hair and makeup and then take your real estate license five times before you finally pass and then selling the first house and selling this first house to this woman that that you thought would never buy real estate from you because you're in a car that the windows don't even go down.

32:34Lisa Axios: And then you're like, I'm going to become a real estate agent. You start selling more. You start making more. I'm going to open up my own practice. Now you open up your own practice. You're crushing it in the industry. And you're like, what's next? Yeah, I want to become a John Maxwell Certified Leadership Trainer because now I want to be able to empower other people. I want to empower other people to that may be struggling with the same things that I struggled with because that's purpose, right? That's purpose because when we give back, we fulfill our life mission. When we help other people, we get to that next level.

33:12Lisa Axios: So Lisa's like, I'm going to get certified. I'm not stopping. I'm going to learn a little, do a little every single day. I'm taking myself to the next level. Lisa's always posting real. She's always posting fun things about leadership and personal development, making herself into the best person that she can. And she's just not actually talking about the change. She's actually living those changes. And you're actually able to see her through those changes. And she's not talking from the mountaintop. She's talking from the climb because we're all a constant work in progress. But you then decided, I'm going to keep this real estate business.

33:45Lisa Axios: But if I make myself better, I'm going to be able to empower other people. And you started the business is called, it's Lipstick and Push-Ups and the Axios Group.

33:54Adam Holbrook: So the Axios group is kind of like the group I have. A couple of my sons are in, one in mortgages, one in property management. So, you know, I'm trying to build this business and all my contacts so I can actually have a legacy for them. So they'll be able to. So that's why I called it the Axios group. The Lipstick and Push-Ups Collective is, it was like more my coaching and training. Sometimes men will go, well, what about me? And I'm like, well, use Chapstick. I don't know. There's some guys wear lipstick. I'm like, how about chapstick and pushups? But that was, yeah, I don't know. I don't even know.

34:31Lisa Axios: You're speaking at events, you're providing leadership training, you're doing executive coaching for women that want to, women, business owners, women that want to empower themselves to become the best version of themselves.

34:45Adam Holbrook: Yeah. Maybe there's a lot of, you know, imposter syndrome, lack of confidence from the women that you think are the most amazing, successful women and even, and men as well. I'm speaking like at a mortgage, an inaugural mortgage, something quarterly, or I don't know, inaugural thing that's coming up this coming month. And so, you know, talking to, they wanted to somebody with a story, they want to show other realtors. So it's, it's all kind of coming together. Like at first I wasn't sure where do I go? What do I do for speaking? Because I was like, do I help women in what sense? And do I help men?

35:25And it's come down to like business owners, you know,

35:28Adam Holbrook: small business owners typically, and then big, you know, loan officers, total mortgage, different kind of places like that. So yeah, I'm just trying to, like you said, what's my purpose? I said something to my son recently. I said, I still sometimes struggle with my purpose. and he said mom what are you talking about you know what your purpose is it's to be the best version of yourself and i'm like yeah it is as simple as that it's to be it is as simple as that

36:00Lisa Axios: sometimes we make it more complicated than it needs to be and i'm with you on that one right like sometimes i'm like i want to serve more i want to serve greater and you just don't know how like how do i get to that but as we continue to do it day after day just like you have shown us in our talking to you today is those small little steps every single day and all the failures that that have taught you these invaluable lessons and the person that you are today it's just a model I mean your kids have to be so proud of who you are and what you're developing and I love that you're building something that could be passed down to them and you know so if somebody's interested in executive coaching with you you know I typically give out like an introductory discovery call.

36:44Lisa Axios: How do you usually work those?

36:45Adam Holbrook: I do the same thing. And it's lisaaxios.com is my website. It has real estate. It has the coaching and speaking training on there. So it's myname.com and you can find everything in there. And when I was at the International Maxwell Conference, Valerie, that we know is a coaching person, she said, what did she call it? and I put it in my website. And now I'm trying to remember like a coaching test drive. That's what it is. I think it might be in there as a coaching test drive. But I always want to talk to someone. I feel like, is it a fit for them? Is it a fit for me? That's right. It's just like real estate.

37:24Adam Holbrook: So I found everything in real estate really started to work in the coaching and training field. For so long, I've had them separate and it wasn't going anywhere and I was stuck. and now I found a way to bring them together and be better.

37:40Lisa Axios: I love it. Now spell your full name. It's Lisa's because Lisa's actually, I now know that there's four ways to spell Lisa. Go ahead and spell out your full name so they can find your website.

37:51Adam Holbrook: So it's L-I-S-A-A-X as in x-ray, I-O-S as in Sam, L-I-S-A-A-X-I-O-S.com. and you should be able to find anything there. You can do some downloads like from when the morning, when the day, every Monday morning at 8.30 a.m. I have a 15 minute call called Mindset Monday, free to anybody on Zoom. So you can click on there and I can see you on Monday morning. And that's on your website.

38:21Lisa Axios: You'll have the address so they can go on to the Mindset Monday.

38:25Adam Holbrook: Yeah, they can click right in and get the, everything's there.

38:28Lisa Axios: And is there an email address that they can reach you if they want to or not?

38:31Adam Holbrook: Sure. So you could do list with Lisa today at gmail.com list, like list your house. I have lipstick and pushups at gmail.com and I have Lisa Axios at gmail.com. Yeah. You know what I was thinking is when I go in, it's Lisa at Lisa Axios.com. But you know, I think anybody can, I don't know.

38:52Lisa Axios: Well, that's why I struggled there. Look, I actually struggled the other day too. I was like, wait, what is my email address? I was on my last podcast. If you actually, the one that's coming out before this one, I, yeah, I couldn't remember my email address either. I'm like, there's three of them. There's three of them. And then you're like, well, which one should I give? Which one actually makes the easiest for the listener to hear and be able to repeat? Yeah. Regardless, Lisa, I'm so grateful that you came on today to share your vulnerability, your story, your inspiration for so many different people.

39:26Lisa Axios: If you have a question for Lisa, you can go to the managingdifficultpeoplepodcast.com website. You can leave a voice message on there. Lisa will get back to you or if you have a message that you want to relay to me and I can get it to Lisa and they will personally reach out to you. Or you can go ahead and reach out to her at lisaaxios.com. I encourage you to find her on social media because she's doing a lot of great things. and with that I'm grateful that you were here and I'm wishing you all the best thank you for

39:57Adam Holbrook: being here Lisa can I say Adam I can remember meeting you we were standing in line for a photograph or something in Orlando Florida and you told me your story and I was like blown away I was welling up in tears and we just had that connection and it's just you have enriched my life so much So I'm like, I'm going to cry right now. You've enriched my life just by knowing you. So thank you. That's really amazing.

40:26Lisa Axios: You're amazing. You're crushing it. I'm so proud of you.

40:29Adam Holbrook: Well, thank you. You too. You too. This is great. Thank you so much for having me.

40:34Lisa Axios: Thank you for being here. Until next time, everyone. Thank you for joining us on the Managing Difficult People podcast. Till next time.

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