Latest AI News, Apple Vision Pro & Bitcoin Surge w/ Salim Ismail | EP #87

30:57All right, well, a lot of the dates all way back then. Oh, you know, this is the thing. Once you have three people, you have politics, right? two people have a conversation, three people, three of politics. Yeah, love that. I remember in our early days, a singularity university, we got two points where we had 50 alumni from Italy. And in those 50 people, there were 14 political factions that have been emerged already. It was like, how does this happen? And they were going to create a 15th while they were there. So the FCC banned AI -generated robo calls, right? So there was this robo call, this deep fake of present Biden telling New Hampshire voters to stay home Fascinating again It's like I tell people you were gonna default from seeing as believing to actually just not believing And and what you hear or what you see You know the that that AI for truth idea is such a powerful and important and necessary instrument because unless it's validated at this point, I think you make a really important point here because unless you know something for sure, you have to basically take it with several grains of salt.

32:13So I was talking to Tristan Harris from who's also going to be on stage with me at the abundance of some at Tristan's the head of the Center for Humane Technologies. Yeah. And you know him from his appearance on social dilemma. Yeah. Brilliant thinker. And the question he asked was, okay, can humans do this? Could a, you know, when you're looking to ask, can an AI do this? Can a human, when given some data, actually track down whether it's factual opinion or active disinformation? What do you think? No, the answer is absolutely not. I mean, look at some of the stuff. I'm actually like, why would you expect an AI build?

32:54I mean, given enough time and resources, could a human track it down? Can you go? Of course, that, yes, that can be done. But I think in the timescale that we're looking for, that we're talking about, right? The Trump won the 2016 election by the fact that lies were spread so much faster than the truth could catch up to it. Yes. And you, there were 20 ,000 verifiable black people lies that he spotted out during the 26th, during his presidency. Right? So when I talk to whether supporters or whatever, what aspect of reality are you living in to operate in that model? Right? Whether it's redrawing the maps or where the herd can will hit or whatever.

33:40And I think this is the enormous difficulty. The, the, the, because you know, remember we had the conversation last time about how the, we get hit by negative news and we retain the emotional element of that much more powerfully. And then even when reality hits us, it doesn't change the emotional effect of that. Yeah, I tell you this is the difficulty. You tell me that a politician has beat his kids growing up and you show some images or so forth. And I know it's not true, but just in the back of my mind that Neuron is poking up and saying, well, maybe there's some truth in it. And that erosion of truth.

34:20And so this FCC banning of AI genuropa calls really needs to be the beginning. And I think the only way is to make deep fakes, not avatars. I think avatars is the positive terminology. I have an avatar. You have an avatar. We have a Ray Kurzweil avatar for our book. but in a deep fake where I didn't give it permission, that should be as illegal as counterfeiting and punishable by jail time. It should be the problem is that A, finding out who generated it, right? And finding the source of that generation is going to be very difficult. So now the question is, do you make it the responsibility of the transmitter?

35:05So in other words, do you, I mean, how do you stop this? Maybe you say that the conduit, if Facebook or X or LinkedIn is sending it, unvirofiable, and it turns out to be a deep fake that they're penalized, or if you retweet something. Yeah. So I think that's where it has to go, but that's where you need the AI for truth injected into there. Right? Where you have choke points of, let's say, on X, if X had built into it an AI for truth, they could say and give it a reading on, this is 80 % likely to be false, check carefully, and just use a color coding or whatever, and just said this is for sure false and deleted it off its platform.

35:55I think you needed at those information choke points, and we're always going to have those choke points just because that's how human -ish -tox. text Elon and ask him if he wants to do a next ex -price. Seriously, I think this is one he probably should want to do. He should want to do it and they all of the tech platform should want to do this. Yeah. Yeah, no, agreed. The question is, can it verifiably be done? And if it can, then can you transmit the authentication through a blockchain metadata link or something? Yeah, right. I mean, yeah, I was the advisor to a project. Those actually trying to do this where they were if somebody puts out something false, then a bunch of people can look at it and flag it and go, we think this is fake.

36:44And the rating of the person, the credibility of the person got built into that rating. And so they were trying to do using a high mind, but I think they are very easily. I love that. So, you know, people who've got a high as a reporter or as a tweeter or whatever have, if you have a high, you know, truth index, you're not going to want to ruin that. So, I'm going to believe you more. Exactly. And my willingness to retweet your statement is worth a lot more to you if I've got a high index there. Let's take, you know, this is again, I'm not sure we need government policy here just because the market forces will dictate that this is really important.

37:26And a button that says this has been verified by an AI is a really powerful economic motivator for some of this. Yeah. Here is a video by a friend, Andrew Ang, he was with me at abundance 360. And I want to listen to his message because I think it's really quite important. And let's talk about it afterwards. AI is a very beneficial technology on average. I think it comes down to, do we think the world is better off or worse off with more intelligence in it, be it human intelligence or artificial intelligence? And yes, intelligence can be used for nefarious purposes and it has been in history. I think a lot of humanity has progress through humans, getting smarter and better trained and more educated.

38:14And so I think on average, the world is that's awful for more intelligence in it. And as far as AI, why people are humanity, I just don't get it. You know, I spoke of some of the people with this concern, but they're arguments for how AI could, why were humanity are so vague that they fall down to it could happen. And they can't prove it won't happen any more than I can prove a negative like that. I can't prove that radio waves being emitted from one host of aliens to find us and space to wipe us out, but I'm not very along the bomb space. Maybe I shouldn't be right on that. And I find that their own role, homes, that are being created by the alarmist narrative on it.

38:57I think he puts out deep wisdom here. This is very, very important. And I think, you know, just in terms of the intelligence side, if you believe the thesis, the technology is a major driver of progress in the world, right? And Ray Kurzweil challenges us to find a better one. Like, is there another major driver or progress in the world? We actually can't think of one. And therefore, the more intelligence you have, the more technology you can develop, and therefore, that's a good thing. I listen, I agree. I think that there is a direct correlation between a level of intelligence and optimism, empathy, love of abundance of life, of all of those things.

39:43You know, I think the more intelligence you have, the more wisdom, right, you can create. I've often said that AI is gonna generate incredible wisdom. You know, you talk about wisdom a lot as part of your work. When I think about what is wisdom, you know, someone who's wise, is someone who's seen a lot in life, they've experienced a lot, they've heard a lot of stories, they know where this road is going to take you. And I think AIs can create spin up a billion, a hundred billion simulations of every possible perturbation and therefore know a lot more about where these different roads are going to go and therefore by virtue of that level of mult - you know mult -universe simulations could generate tremendous wisdom.

40:32Completely concur. I mean, it's not just even a good thing. it's almost a mandatory thing because we won't be able to navigate a volatile world in the future without that lens of depth and operating in real time to help make sense of the world. All right, here is my next conversation point for you. It's something we've talked about. You found this article. Put it up for me. Yeah, so this basically talks about the fact that a big job in corporate market today is whoever's in charge of AI. You talk about this, we talk about this in the book, that companies will need a chief AI officer. It has to be right at the C -suite level.

41:19It's such a critical function and enabler that if you don't have this at the C -suite level, then you risk being disrupted and you won't be around for long. When you make the common around that existential threat, either you're a company using AI or you're out of business, right? I love that. Yeah, I say by the end of the decade you read fully utilizing AI or your your ad business. You know, so people ask, what can I do? How do I get started? You know, everybody acknowledges, yeah, I get it. You know, it isn't AI that's going to kill my company. It's another company using AI that's going to kill my company.

41:52And so what do I do? And my first comment to them is find a chief AI officer and they say, what is that? And for me, a chief AI officer is someone on who's on your team, they aren't coding a large language model. They understand what's going on and they're whispering in your ear. They understand your business and they're saying, okay, we're going to use this product from Google, this product from OpenAI, this product from whatever it might be. Inso doing, they're helping you use the technology that's coming. And that GTI officer could be, you know, 21 years old for all I care. It doesn't need to be.

42:36You want them to be 21 years old. Yeah. Fresh. Yeah. We have a community member Diego Sarua, okay? And he's an EXO community. In my EXO community, this is GSP alumni from Singularity University. And he teaches, he's a professor at a university called IE in Spain. and he uses AI for grading the papers, advising the students as to how to write their papers, different models of researching papers, image generation using misjourney, he's got a full panapoli of AI tools that is mandatory for both him and his students to use. I think that's where we'll end up very soon. The idea of a chief AI officer that can help navigate these models and plot a course through this is absolutely mandatory in my head.

43:30Not just for companies, but for government departments and for policy think tanks and for pretty much every function where we had human intelligence before, you need an AI assistant going forward. So let's take it a step further, pal. You and I have talked about having AI board members, having AI executive officers when I'm in a board meeting right now when I'm in a staff meeting right now. I've got Gemini open or chat GPT and I'm asking at the same questions I'm asking my team. In fact, one of the things that I think is incredibly powerful is to say, here's a problem, asking the team what they think of it.

44:15Then I might say something like, what would Steve Jobs think of this problem? And you can post it in that way and say, how would Steve Jobs answer this question or how would he market this product? And it's incredibly powerful, right? So where is this going in terms of taking over the boardroom and the executive suite? Well, you know, we talked in, when we launched the book on the Impact Theory podcast, Tom Biluse podcast of having the next billion dollar company and be three people in a bunch of AI's. And then Sam Altman of course took it to the next level and said there's one person with a bunch of AI's.

44:54Well, if you combine that thinking and that vector with this concept of an AI officer, well there's absolutely no reason why your CMO can't be an AI, why your CFO can't be an AI, why your CEO almost can't be an AI. I think you'll end up with a C suite of AI's helping you manage the company with the human being the shoveling of information and data and reports into the AI. Because it's going to do a much better job of summarizing everything. What I look forward to is the fight between the CFO and the CFO can be fun that project or not. And the CFO AI will go, we can't afford it and the CFO AI will go, we have to have it, etc.

45:34And that would be the fun discussion for me. This year at a button in summit, I've got a generative AI scorecard in which I'm asking our members to score themselves in all of the business operation functions, like how much generative AI are using in HR, in legal, in operations, in IT and cybersecurity and so forth. And there are so many incredible tools currently available. So at a minimum, your executive officer needs to be using these tools to complement themselves right now. I think you're going to end up with what I called the 1995 IBM problem. What's that? So in 1995, IBM did a survey of all the CIOs of the Fortune 500.

46:23And they said, how many of you use opens for a software in your computing stack? And 95 % of them said, no, we don't use open source. We have totally Oracle, Microsoft, closed stack, computation, software development, et cetera. Then they went down to the SysAdmin's who were running the systems and said, how many views open source and 95 % said yes. And I'd be a major bet on open source as a result, Bob Redhat, et cetera, proved to be a huge success because all those SysAdmin's, which were actually using open source, ended up over time becoming the CIOs. And I think if you went to a CEO today and said, how many of your people using Generative AI, go, no, we're not really using it.

47:01But down on the ground, they're all like using it every day, illegally and inappropriately. They're feeding half the company's information that just chats you with or realizing it. And it's happening anyway. So I think that's what you'll find there. All right, we're about to go to Bitcoin, but before we do, my favorite deep fake of the week from Super Bowl Sunday here, we've got our president and hawking snacks. Take a look. The Super Bowl Sunday, if you're anything like me, you'll like to be surrounded by a snack or two while watching the big game. You know, when buying snacks for the game, you might have noticed one thing.

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49:42All right, let's go back to the episode. You know, you and I are both huge believers in Bitcoin. Let's take the conversation there. We were on stage together at an ex -price event and like every other sentence, like, buy Bitcoin, buy Bitcoin. Let's take a look at a couple of images that are for fun. This is from Bitcoin magazine on X. And it's an article here that says, the internet may be just a passing fat as millions give up on it. I don't... I think their point is Bitcoin is not a passing fat. And I'm going to share one more video here. I love this video. This is back in 2013. By the way, Kudos to you.

50:28But you're the first person I ever heard speak about Bitcoin. I was during one of your talks at Singularity University and you're talking about Bitcoin. It was probably 2012 when you were first starting to talk about it fair enough. No, we were giving out Bitcoin at SU 2011. Okay, I brought it up. Hamilton was giving it kind of as a joke, but people didn't understand it then and frankly we did barely understood it then. Yeah, let me let me play this this video. Yeah, take a look. I'm right here watching history be made. Bitcoin is now up to $111. It's a all -time high and it's continuing to rise.

51:11I've seen it break three times today. It went up to 110 and this is the highest that it's been. It's ridiculous. High is it's been ridiculous. What you would do with a time machine? Go back by Apple stock early by Bitcoin early. This is why we know that time machines don't exist because there's so many obvious arbitrage is right. I've got a I was talking to an old friend this morning and she said I said when did we last chat it's been a while she goes yeah we last chatted when you told me to buy Bitcoin it was 3 ,500 a coin. I thought wow that was a long time ago. This is this is just a kind of the most incredible thing for me.

51:54I've watched Bitcoin go from five cents to 50 cents to five dollars to $50 to $500 to $5 ,000 and now $50 ,000. And it's just the most unbelievable, but it's very clear the pattern, and it's very clear why. It's, I think it's a complete arbitrage on broad awareness and intelligence of what's going on in the world. Yeah, I'm gonna have Mike Sayler this year at the abundance summit. We're gonna go deep on, nobody better, nobody better, right? When the largest holders, I guess the ETFs now have more Bitcoin than him as a corporation, but as a private, you know, not a private company, but as a non -ETF company, he's been just all in.

52:39And I could host to him, you know, he's, first of all, people should know he's fraternity brother of mine from MIT, my undergraduate years. We were basically living together. He was aeroastro as well. And I met with him a few years ago, and he told me the story of his Bitcoin logic and he basically went through the logic chain of what it is as a store of wealth, why it's immutable, why it's energy, how it's going to go, and once he reached the conclusion that it is going to become the dominant mechanism for storing wealth and isn't going to be dropping off a cliff, he just went all in over and over and over again, convinced his board of a public company, which is a big deal and hasn't turned back and he's laughing all the way to the bank in this one.

53:35Well, here's one of the calculations I've heard him talk about. If 1 % of Fortune 1000 CFOs put their treasury, if Fortune 1000 CFOs put 1 % of their treasury into Bitcoin, you then end up in a million dollars of Bitcoin. Yeah. And like there's lots of arguments. I had Kathy Wood on stage with me at the abundance of a couple years ago. I'm about to do a podcast with her. And same thing, her calculations have it targeting somewhere between a million to you, five million dollars of Bitcoin. And this is a figure that she posted on X that looks at Bitcoin's hash rate. It's in an all -time high, which is pretty amazing of 500 exa -hashes per second.

54:25And this is a signal of transaction and demand because a lot of the Bitcoin is not being traded. It's being hashed and created. Yeah, and held. And held. I think, you know, there's some great points here. One of them is about two years ago we crossed more than 50 % of Bitcoin energy usage was renewable. And almost all Bitcoin mining energy is marginal energy. That's like a hydroelectric dam that's not being used fully and they use it the rest of it for Bitcoin mining. And so there's some incredible things there. I think can we step back and just give some foundational rationalities? Yes. Yes. One is we have 200 Fiat currencies that are terrible to manage a global world.

55:16Define a Fiat currency for folks. Fiat currencies, the US dollar, the Argentinian peso, the Euro were a... It's made up by government. It's not backed by anything. That's right. It's by Fiat, by government Fiat, the decree that that currency operates. And the destruction of monetary value, I think I have a graph on that that's worth looking at. The destruction of value in the US dollars kind of unbelievable to say also a pretty time. Here we go. So check this out. Yeah, go ahead and tell us what this means. So what this means is that we, and there's a massive blip if you look at like the from the from 1960s, It kind of took its last big collapse downward, right?

56:01There was some dips in the depression, et cetera. Essentially, when we floated the US dollar, Nixon did it. He floated the US dollar off the gold standard and made it a truly floating currency. They did not realize at the time the technology was deflationary. That your $1 ,000 TV will only be worth $500 a year, and you could buy the same thing for $250 a year after. right? And the problem that you have with Fiat currencies is they use debt to grow the economy. So Jeff Booth talks about this in his book called the The Power of Now. And he made the stagger observation that over the last 50 years, every dollar increase in global GDP came with a $4 increase in global debt.

56:48So we're glaring the global economy with debt, which is absolutely not sustainable. And if technology is deflationary, you can borrow money and then pay it back because you have to pay back that much more money. And the whole system at some point will implode. And so that basically gives a rationale for a deflationary currency that doesn't do this, which is where Bitcoin fits in. And not by accident was Bitcoin created during the 2008 financial crisis when we just printed a ton of money to save all the banks. Well, and as I'm reading this Bitcoin is at $49 ,700, $100, tipped over 50K this morning.

57:25Yeah, amazing. Right, amazing. And Vincent Durrani, one of our community members, talks about this. He says, this is the biggest asymmetric bet in human history. It's either going to go to a million dollars a bit coin or it's going to zero and you're at 50K now. So if you bind to it, you may lose 50K, but the upside is so much bigger that you're crazy not to dabble. So, you know, the question is whether governments will try, they will try or succeed in making it illegal. So I've, can I read for a second? Yeah, of course. They have been trying, they have been trying for ages, okay? There are three things that are notable here.

58:05One is just over the last few days, the key figure at the Federal Reserve was asked about Bitcoin. He's like, oh, it'll ever succeed because you can't use it for payments. Well, how can I say this politely? Those bastards tax every Bitcoin transaction and every crypto transaction as property. So it's a taxable transaction, meaning you're preventive from using it as a currency. So they complain that you can't use it as a currency because they've actually implemented that way. What they've been doing is trying to tax and slow down the on -ramps and off -ramps of crypto. So a lot of the banks that collapsed last year were intentionally forced to close by the government because they're active crypto trading banks.

58:49So the government is trying to slow down. The best argument I've seen against this is actually, especially in the US, is First Amendment. So when I send you a Bitcoin, I'm actually sending you an Alphard Neumar text of stringing numbers, which is First Amendment. Freedom of speech. Freedom of speech. So how I interpret how you interpret that stringing numbers is up to you. So it's completely not stoppable in the US. The banks and the financial system are desperately kind of slowed down as much as possible. But the need for it in global trade and intercompany thing is just crazy. I'm on the advisory board of a weird alternative SDR tech currency.

59:29And the founder of it noted a really amazing transaction were a big, a big engine company sold $100 million dollars worth of jet engines to a country and took a payment $150 million worth of frozen chickens for these jet engines. And the extra 50 % was now I have to deal with containers of frozen chickens. But the rationale behind it was that governments hate foreign reserves leaving their shores. So they put all these capital controls on it, et cetera, et cetera. And it really is a global trade is almost run at the big transaction level, run more on a barter system than anything else. So you really, really need something like Bitcoin to just to manage all of that going forward.

1:00:14I'm amazing. I do believe that there is a future where it's all digitized. When I have cash in my pocket, it's kind of funny to look at the cash. I no longer use coins anymore. And I've talked about and written about and we've talked about the six Ds of expedentials that when you digitize something it's a slow, deceptive, initial growth and it becomes disruptive and dematerialized, demonetized, and democratized. And so Bitcoin is the digitization of currency of wealth. Yeah. And it's where you're in the process of dematerializing the banks and our monetary systems so we can democratize and make it available.

1:00:59It goes back to the comment we made in the last podcast about, I want to write more about this, but it's permissionless disruptive innovation that we can now do for the first time. Nobody asked permission for Bitcoin or Ethereum, and yet they're taking over the world from a finance perspective. Right? And if governments could find any way of stopping if they would, but you can't actually regulate these in any easy way. Yeah. Here is a little story from this morning, Let's check it out. Welcome back to SkyPox. The price of Bitcoin crossing back over the $48 ,000 level over the weekend one month this afternoon will launch with the Spot Bitcoin ETF.

1:01:40Anyway, it's going to be something which we may look back at this and say, wow, it used to be that cheap. And we'll start talking about Satoshi's versus Bitcoin. That's right. I think it's absolutely going to happen. It's, you know, I've mentioned to you watching it go from 5 cents to 50 cents. I finally got the gumption to buy into it at $500, right? And you have no idea how many friends I have that mine Bitcoin at 5 cents of Bitcoin and then lost the hard drive. It was like unbelievable crocodile tears of people losing the hard drives. You're losing their private keys because, and literally about 20 % of Bitcoin will never be recovered because of that.

1:02:25But as people lose trust in the existing monetary systems, it's all one big spiral downwards. The only tool left to central banks today is to print more money. And so this all adds to Bitcoin as a hedge against central banks printing a ton of money, which is what we've been doing forever. I mean, what was the stat we printed 40 % of all the US dollars in existence during the pandemic? Right? Naturally, you're going to have inflation and prices are going to go up 40%. I mean, well, I mean, that's what, that's what this chart of, you know, buying power as you print more money, the buying power of the dollar is just diminishing.

1:03:03And one of the things is you put in real estate, but when you're paying real estate taxes, that's diminishing the value because it just can't hold it. And so there's very few things where you can actually maintain that, that store of wealth and Bitcoin is one of them. And, you know, go ahead. I want to make one more comment about Bitcoin versus the altcoins. That's very powerful. This again goes back to Jeff Booth, who I think is the chief economist of the abundance error of the crypto worries. It's just like incredibly smart about this. So there's three triangle points on digital currencies that are important.

1:03:45Security, scalability, and decentralization. Those are three points that you have to have a decent cryptocurrency. What Bitcoin did for the first time in human history, it hit decentralization and security at the same time. That was incredibly powerful. Except it didn't solve for scalability. You had all these altcoins pop up to try and solve the scalability problem. In doing so, they compromised on either decentralization or security. and we saw FTX collapse, we saw Luna collapse as a result of that. But now because of the lightning network, Bitcoin has solved scalability. So now the smartest people I know are putting all their chips on Bitcoin.

1:04:28Everything else is a gamble and this is a sure bet. And that's I think really interesting to mention. Yeah, one of the things that Michael Seattle will be talking about with us, I think it's on March 19th is his Lightning Rewards. And what he's done is he's built a system at micro strategies where if you're an employee and you show up to a meeting on time, you get a few Satoshi's. If you take the HR learning course, you get a few Satoshi's. It's basically rewarding you in cryptocurrency at a fraction of a Bitcoin in Satoshi for every correct action that you take. And fascinating idea. Which is great if you have 5 ,000 bitcoins in your treasury, is harder for other people than they have to go and buy the bitcoins.

1:05:20Well, I think you've got a lot more than 5 ,000 bitcoins in this treasury. I know. I know. Well, buddy, listen, a fun week. I'm still stunned by $7 trillion. Fun rays, we'll see how far it gets. Apple Vision Pro, Kudos to Apple for another amazing product and AI every week. And you know what, we're still at the very beginning of our AI journey aren't we? Oh, very, very beginning. I mean, look, it's evolution is intelligence developing, evolving, right? And I think we're hitting a point where now we develop intelligence at an exponential rate. And that's just going to, it's just the, it is just the beginning.

1:06:08How do we talk about it in the book? The came here in explosion has hit. And now we've got a bunch of little furry, generative AI mammals running around. Yeah, it's interesting to think about, you know, we think about Apple and Google and Microsoft and Nvidia. and 10 years from now, there'll be a hundred of those trillion dollar companies that we've never heard of yet. Yeah, they're going to pop up on nothing very, very quickly. All right, buddy. Quick prediction. Where do you think Bitcoin will be the next time we do an episode? Oh, I think a little dip back down a little bit. I hope it will second by more.

1:06:46But I'm not going to time it. I'm not going to die with it. I think, you know, I had bought Bitcoin as high as when it was in your 60 last time. And so I think we could see it at 60. Very good. I predict 70. 70. All right. Sounds like you're going to be buying soon. All right. Good to see you, buddy. Likewise. See you again next time. Take care.

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