The Most Radical Form of Self-Improvement | Aubrey Marcus & Blake Mycoskie

25:23And that's beautiful. It's amazing to me that you have this incredible, insatiable curiosity, it seems like, for mysticism, different religions, spiritual pasts, and that all was opened with this first psychedelic journey. That's incredible to me. I don't want that just to pass. You were a staunch atheist, and now you're one of the most spiritually curious people I've ever met in my life. and that happened from taking some mushrooms that came out of the ground. Some people might be listening to this and be like, that's almost too good to be true. It is pretty phenomenal. I'm sure a lot of people have asked you over the years, if someone has never tried a psychedelic and maybe if they're listening to this show, they might be feeling stuck or kind of in midlife or they've kind of lost their zest for life and they're thinking, you know what, I might try that.

26:19what would be kind of the steps that you would encourage them to take so that they can have a positive and safe experience i would say that psychedelics are like a 404 class in university right so if you wanted to go to apotheosis 404 which is merger with the divine you got to go through the 101 the 202 the 303 right like you got to go through the progressively you got to go through the progression the first is just to understand your own psychology like and really understand your body take care of your body take care of your mind and then start layering in the other practices that we mentioned meditation flotation tanks when you want to take it to another level then ecstatic dance breath work you know all of these different methodologies and also get comfortable with discomfort yes because these journeys can be incredible and they can be absolute bliss or they can be grueling white knuckle rides where you don't know if you're going to make it through.

27:13I mean, you do, but it's intense. So you have to know that you can handle your own psyche in the intensity. And so I think all of those are the preparatory things that are really a requirement. They're prerequisites for psychedelic medicine. If you do cross that threshold, then it's about what medicines, and I would do your research, what medicines are you called to? Are you called to Wachuma? Are you called to Ayahuasca? Are you called to mushrooms? Mushrooms are typically the place where most people start and I think that's a reasonable choice. Even cannabis. Cannabis has been kind of left on the side as this recreational medicine but in the Andean tradition that I'm also studying it's queen gemaru.

27:54It's a really powerful spirit and I think cannabis can do a lot more for your mind, body, and spirit than people recognize. So all of these different medicines have different purposes. MDMA is another, you know, incredible one. Some great research on that. It's all about the intention, right? Like you talk about cannabis recreationally versus, you know, on in a ceremonial space. I think MDMA is the same thing. You know, people can take it and go to a rave and club and get nothing from it besides maybe a exciting night and a horrible hangover the next day, or they can do it in a therapeutic setting in which we've seen, I do a lot of philanthropy with veterans and we've seen unbelievable results with MDMA treatment with therapy for PTSD.

28:36Totally. So it just kind of depends. It's the same medicine. It's just your intention and your set and setting. Yeah, and do it with a guide. Yeah. I mean, you don't need a full-on shaman, but you need somebody who has experience because if you're in a situation and your mind starts to spiral, like, did I take the wrong thing? Did I take too much? Am I going to be okay? Yeah. And somebody just leans over and is like, what you're experiencing is called the normal. Yeah, yeah. You know, like this is the journey. Right. You're on the ride. You're on the ride. You can't get on the ride. Yeah, exactly.

29:05That's one thing. Very important to notice. I mean, there are some tricks I've heard with ayahuasca. You can take some lemon and salt and maybe like it'll slow down. But really, when you're on this ride, you're on this ride. You're on the ride. That's why I love what you said. Like do the progressive courses, the, you know, getting more aware of your body, doing more, you know, with your mind, breath work, these things leading up to it, I think is so important. I know that you've literally tried every medicine and I wish we had four hours to go through them all. But the one that I was most curious about is your experience with San Pedro.

29:36How has that been different than other ones? San Pedro, I will say it lands funny. And when I hear that, because the medicine is Wachuma, that's what the people called it. And then the conquistadors come in and then they rename it San Pedro and their new religious kind of ideology. And it's all good. That's what it's commonly known as. And it's important to reference that as the name that people understand because it's a cactus you can get at home depot now that cactus you get at home depot is nothing like the wachuma that you get from a master wachumero yes so i will say but it's still the same cactus and this is something that is you know it actually grows quite well in our in most environments but when you take it to the depth of what is possible the active psychedelic in it is mescaline so you concentrate the mescaline and the spirit of wachuma which is this grandfatherly spirit yeah guides you on this journey that can be anywhere from eight hours to 16 hours.

30:30Wow. Depending. And I've been really blessed to work with two unbelievable Wachimeros. Don Howard Lawler, it was my first. I actually have his crest on my hand here, which is the smiling jaguar of Chavin. And then Maestro Alejo Sanzon, who's become a real brother. And both of them have ties to the ancient lineage of Chavin. Now, let's say a little bit about Chavin. Chavin is an anomaly in history. It had this beautiful temple, was this thriving civilization. But for 800 years, there was no sign of war. And the reason why is all the pilgrims would come to the central temple and they would be served wachuma.

31:05And of course, we can't decide direct correlation with that. But what was the difference about Shavin versus any other culture? It was these massive sacraments that they would offer to the people. Wachuma, what it does is the mescaline and the wachuma and the spirit of the wachuma, it opens your heart. And that's the first thing. And then it opens your crown. You know, so one of the oldest pieces of art is the Estella Ramundi, and it's a smiling jaguar that has seven layers of consciousness above it. And the jaguar is smiling because when you get to that place where you recognize that you are the unborn and undying aspect of self, then there's nothing to fear.

31:43And without fear, you can smile and you can laugh. And so it can really move you to a state beyond fear. And also it's kind of this subtly challenging journey as well, because it's such a grandfatherly medicine. It's so gentle. It's not like grandma ayahuasca. It's like, you're going to go deal with this. Like, I'm going to take you down, down, down. And you're going to deal with all of your fears, all of your shit. And like, I'm grabbing you by the ear and I'm taking you where you need to go, which is often what ayahuasca feels like. Now it can be more gentle. It can be more beautiful. It can be like a great lover.

32:16It has many, many faces of the feminine. but the grandfather just presents you with a situation and says son what are you going to do about this what do you think about it yeah like and it feels like there's no wrong answer but there's a right answer yeah right like it's like you're not going to get punished by some you know god with a beard who's mad at you because he didn't obey his law but it's like what is the best for you and it's like and and if you make a choice that isn't the best say hmm now what do you think of that choice and it's and it helps kind of course correct while giving you a lot of sovereignty and so i really appreciate that medicine for it's both gentleness and its power because it's both and that's what i think the divine masculine really is it's so powerful that it can be gentle you know like so strong that it can be soft that's that's amazing and that's exactly i've only worked with it one time um but that was exactly my experience it gave me an insight into this this core wound of not feeling enough that I never had gotten through therapy or retreats or the Hoffman process all these amazing things that I had done but it was this light almost like a micro dose of San Pedro with the shaman that opened up everything yeah and it but it was exactly what you said no one had described it and that's why I was curious to get your thoughts is it was strong but it was gentle yeah and it was also not like forcing me to see something It was providing the opportunity for me to see something about myself.

33:47And that thing that I saw about myself was, oh, my God, my whole fucking life I've been trying to prove that I'm enough. I'm exhausted from it. And I don't need to do it anymore. And then there was a lot of healing that came from that. And as anyone who might be listening or watching is thinking about these things, as important as the experience is the integration. More important. Yeah, more important. Yeah, I think that that's, and that was, you know, I went on a long and arduous, you know, healing journey for over a year trying to find a way to feel my body that I am enough. And eventually I got there.

34:20But also I think besides the integration is how you show up. The medicine is only doing part of it. And I read somewhere when I was doing preparation for this conversation that you said for many years in ceremony, you still kind of had your shell up. And that, you know, that was holding you back some. what ultimately caused you to break open the shell the shell is not a thing that's there one time and you break it one time and it goes it's something that reforms naturally and we put on armor to go through daily life because people are not in the consciousness where they're fully safe to receive the kind of tenderness of your interior so it's just the natural response to have a little bit of a shell up.

35:04So in any ceremony, I have to recognize like, okay, what am I carrying now? And how can I let go? Like, how much can I release? And it's a totally different practice than you have when you're going to a gym or going to, you know, get yourself fired up to climb a mountain or go, you know, journey with Wim Hof and do some crazy cold therapy. That's really about pushing. Yeah, it's a lot of push energy. And this is where you really trust the pull you trust that actually if you let go and become light and become like to really get into that witness and allow state of mind and open yourself up the medicine will pull you where you need to go and your goal your goal is to be as weightless as possible to really like stay grounded but also just be light and allow your spirit to be taken on this journey so it's just about how much can i surrender yeah you know how much can i let go okay is there another layer okay good and now is there another layer and then i'll feel myself get antsy and want to resist and like come on man it's all right like let go there's another layer it's all right buddy you know and i learned to start talking to myself and i have three different voices that i actually model in my own mind when i talk to myself and one is the father and that's like the what you my spirit yeah which is both like wildly loving and accepting of what you're doing but also like you got this man yeah like i know you do like i know you got this yeah exactly and and then the mother which really is willing to just sit there with you in the challenge like i know sweetheart i know it's hard i know i'm with you mama's with you you know so it's that energy and then the sibling which is like you fucking got this bro i like that you got this let's fucking go yeah and one of my favorite you know ways that the sibling voice comes in because it's also can be funny you know it can get you to laugh and there's a story from a seal operator and he's out you know in this crazy shit show shootout with his buddy and his buddy gets shot and the guy goes fuck i've just been shot and he goes stop living in the past danny you know it's just like that happened five seconds ago you know like we're here now you know and And so that's the voice of the brother, the voice of the sibling.

37:24So I really pattern those voices to help actually coach myself through these challenging experiences. I love that. This has been great. And I think for anyone who's considering psychedelics, I think there's already a ton that we've given them. This year, I met some engineers from Nike who invented a new type of office chair that has not only changed my life, but actually saved my back. Especially because I am on about five hours of Zoom calls every day. The MoveLab chair has two different pivot points under the seat, which keeps your body in continuous micro-movements all day. The founders told me it is the equivalent of taking 3 ,000 steps.

38:02And all the lubrication of your joints and the blood flow is why my back no longer hurts. And I can focus on my work so much better. I loved it so much that I actually joined the team as a co-founder. And I will be sending one to every person I know when we launch this fall. If you're interested in learning more or pre-ordering one, we only have 500 in the first run. You can check us out at Movelab.com. And that's spelled M-O-O-V-L-A-B dot com. I decided not to take advertising for the first season of No Magic Pill, so I could actually use these moments to talk about something I'm super passionate about.

38:41Now, one of those things is my morning routine. And every morning, it starts the same way. I drink morning water. I take this packet, I pour it into this bottle, and I drink it. Now, what's in this packet? It has creatine, L-theanine, magnesium, many other supplements, electrolytes, basically all the things that I used to have to take so many supplements for. I mean, my kitchen counter, it looked like a pharmacy. I mean, it had bottles of pills and pills and pills, and half the time I would even forget to take them. So now it's all in this simple formula that my friend Austin created, and I do it every day.

39:15And this month, we're giving everyone a special offer. Go to morningwater.co forward slash nomagicpill. And when you sign up, you'll get 25 % off your first month. I hope you enjoy it as much as I have. I want to go back to something that is just more, I'd say, I want to say practical, but might be immediately relatable to people is making choices. Like I've heard you talk about already that there's not really right or wrong choice. but the most important thing sometimes is just to make a choice. You know, what do you mean by that? Not making a choice is a choice. Choices are unavoidable. Yeah.

39:54And you can really slip into a paralysis of analysis, you know, where you're just looking at everything and you think you're being, we're so slippery and easily able to convince ourselves of what is comfortable for us rather than what is right. So you can say, I'm just doing my due diligence. Yeah. For how long? Yeah. For how long? Yeah. Like at some point you have to actually do something and you'll learn a lot more from doing something than you will from thinking about doing something. I told you, it's funny. I'm thinking of two of my best friends, Tyler Ramsey and John Willidge. And I thought about doing this podcast for like three years and I just kept putting it off, kept putting it off.

40:39I was also going through a time where I was going through a lot of suffering and life change myself. And I think it was the right time because I needed to kind of work on myself before starting to try to help others. I needed to kind of put my own oxygen mask on. But I think about that for a long time. I just – I hid behind this idea of like, oh, I want to find the exact right guest to launch with. And I want to make sure that this is the right time and this and this and this. And finally, just one day, I was like, I'm just going to start recording episodes. and and then i get the momentum and then i got more you know and then in and i just made a choice yeah and sometimes that's what we have to do sometimes we make choices and we look back and man i wish i hadn't made that choice but at the same time you most of the time making a choice is better than not making a choice at all the thing is is like anytime you're not making a choice just understand that's a choice yeah and that may be the right that may be the right choice but it is a choice don't convince yourself that you haven't chosen yet you're choosing to delay.

41:37Yeah, totally. And that's a choice and you have to weigh that in the field of other choices and really look at, all right, like what is the resistance for me to, is there resistance for me to do this? Is there resistance for me to release my art? Am I feeling vulnerable? And if so, if it's one of those internal things, then you're actually, it's just like an ecstatic dance. Am I just kind of hiding in the back of the room or am I going to get in the fray and figure it out? Yeah. And I think a lot of that is just about having the courage to say like, all I'm going to learn yeah you know when i found it on it i came out with two supplements that didn't weren't the weren't the ones that i was actually going to end up building the company off of yeah right like there was it was the wrong idea but they were stepping stones they got me making supplements and then when i figured out that i was gonna build the company around alpha brain which is a totally different type of supplement for a totally different market it was like okay but if i didn't start with those supplements that didn't work the company was not working under the with those supplements, I wouldn't have found it on it.

42:36You know, like I needed to get started with something like, okay, I have this idea. That idea wasn't any good, but that idea was the stepping zone for me to get to the company that, you know, built the legacy for me and my family. It's, I think that I'm glad you use that example. Cause I think there are a lot of entrepreneurs that watch and listen. And I think we can sometimes get so stuck on making sure that there's such a perfect product market fit and everything's ready. But oftentimes the business you think you're in is never ends up not being the business you're in, but it leads to the business that you're in.

43:06Right. Yeah. And that's just, I mean, I really appreciate that. I can think of several times in my life where I've made a choice and it very quickly realized that it was the wrong choice. But had I not made that choice, it wouldn't have opened the door to the right choice. Right. Yeah. It's that momentum that we need. In your book, you say, I think it's one of the great questions of life. And I think, I don't know if you got this from, I can't remember if it was Margaret at Meade, but there's a quote about like, what are you going to do with this one beautiful life you've got? And you distilled it down to, you know, what are you going to do with that one day?

43:37You know, when did that question become such a driver in your life? Did that something that you learned from someone? Is that something that you just discovered in yourself? Because it is an incredible question. I've just, I recognize that I was typically always looking forward, scanning the horizon and always looking backward, analyzing my mistakes. And this is the curse of the captain right like this is something that if you have a mindset of somebody who's going to captain a big ship like you have to have that skill yes and you can spend your whole life looking forward and your whole life looking back but if you actually take a smaller bite-sized piece like all right what about today what about today yeah then you can actually see the see all the way through to the end of the day with pretty good clarity there may be surprises and you'll handle those surprises but it's something that you can handle and allows you to be a lot more present and actually say like, all right, what about this moment?

44:30What about this conversation? And because even a day can be broken down to, what about this hour I get with my family? Like, am I going to be somewhere else? Am I going to be here? There is a limited amount of time, but that's really not the issue. The issue is attention. You know, like how much attention can you place? Because one hour of fully placed attention with your lover, with your wife, with your kids, is better than a month of scattered attention. You know, those are the moments that the people around you will remember and that you'll remember. Like, man, I was really there. I was really living that experience.

45:02And those are the memories that we'll take with us when we cross the veil. We'll think about like, how many times was I really fully authentically myself in the moment living my life rather than thinking about living my life? Because if you go and stretch too far out, you can get too busy thinking about living your life and not live at all. Oh, I mean, presence is everything. I mean, or been mentored by, I think they all agree on one thing, and that is that the only place you really access peace and joy consistently is in the present moment. Because if you're thinking about the future, you're stuck in that.

45:39And if you're thinking about the past, you're obviously stuck in regret or possibly shame or the mistakes you wish you made. But when you really, really can center on this idea that this moment is enough, I am enough, then you can really be in that present moment. And I agree. I think presence is the greatest gift we can give anyone in our life. Like one hour, I agree, one hour of just absolute full presence with your kids or your lover is better than a month. Totally. It really is. And people might be like thinking, how is that possible? Like, you know, especially parents, I mean, you're going to learn right now.

46:13You know, there's all this, you know, kind of pressure for, you know, how much time are you spending with your kids? And, yes, time is important. And they care about that stuff, especially, you know, at different ages. But the presence is what really transforms a relationship. So you're light years ahead on your parenting journey. Yeah, and there's a couple things I'll also mention. One of the things that I love, an example I give is, you may know him, Marcus Luttrell. Yeah, of course. Yeah. So his story that he tells about when he's all shot up and all broken, and he has to find his way to a village.

46:44And what did he do? He stretched out his hand. He's lying prone on his stomach because he can't walk, he can't crawl. He draws a line in the sand. He says, can I make it across that line? He's like, hell yeah, easy day, made it across that line. And he did that however many thousands of times to just divide a journey that was impossible for him to comprehend, going out into a mysterious direction somewhere where he hoped he could find somebody who wouldn't want to kill him. But he did it by drawing a line in the sand and just going that one little leg of the journey. And that's also a great way to take that next best step idea when you're in rumination or in depression or in a state like, all right, what's the next little line?

47:23in the sand that I can take? Can I cross that line? Can I put on music? Yes. Okay. Now can I dance a little bit? Okay. Now can I dance a little bit more? Okay. Can I take a deep breath? Okay. Can I take five? Okay. Can I take 20? Okay. You know, and so sometimes it requires us to just break things down into smaller bite-sized pieces so we don't get overwhelmed. And so that's, I think, you know, a really big part of what Own the Day is about. It's like, let's break this down into its constituent parts and then can you do that part you know and if you can do that part then you start to build this momentum and you're able to go the length of the journey yeah i found that for sure with you know as i came out of depression started really focusing on what are the simplest things i can do to have some wins and i realized very early it would start my morning routine and i've heard all different types of morning routines and they can be extremely extravagant and long and saunas and cold plunges and workouts.

48:18But mine was simply, I'm going to hydrate first thing in the morning. I'm going to get some sunlight in my eyes. And if it was still dark, I have a light that kind of stimulates the sun or simulates the sun. And the third thing is I'm just going to sit for five minutes. And that's it. But doing that every single day kind of reinstilled the belief in myself when I didn't believe in myself that I can stick to something. And then that one thing led to another thing to then like, oh, I actually feel like I can be an entrepreneur again. I can have a successful relationship. I can start this podcast.

48:54But it all started with like, okay, let's pick this one simple thing I can do every day. And that's control the first 15 minutes. And you talk a lot about that. You say, if you don't own the day, the day is going to own you. I feel the same thing. Like if I don't focus on doing that key morning routine in the morning, then I'm letting everyone else decide how I start my day. I'm curious. Do you have a morning routine? It's in the book on the day, and it's very close to yours. So, you know, the first thing is hydration. I call it the morning mineral cocktail. And it's a pinch of sea salt, at least 12 ounces of water.

49:26And I like putting a little bit of lemon in there. It's got bioflavonoids. It's got a little vitamin C. So I chugged that first because the reason for that is overnight you're losing water, up to one to two pounds of water. And it doesn't take much more than that to be dehydrated. Why do you lose water? Well, your breath is filled with moist air and you're breathing it out. And if you're not in a super humid environment, the air that you're bringing in has less water. So that's one factor. And also people sweat. We sweat when we sleep. So we wake up dehydrated and it doesn't take much for dehydration to change your mindset quite a bit.

49:58We think that we're tired, but we're actually depleted. Exactly. Right. You know, it's funny as I was going through this and I'll give you some after the show, we have this new product called morning water. And my friend Austin came up with this formula and basically it's creatine, altheanine, magnesium, all these things that I used to put into my water. And now it's just in a packet, but I do a 20 ounces of water because I feel like if I get that water, if I get those supplements very first thing, then I don't feel depleted. And sometimes I don't even feel like I need caffeine. Yeah. Agreed. And caffeine is something that I recommend a bit later in the day.

50:29That's the same as us, yeah. Yeah. So morning mineral cocktail, whatever that is for you. And also it's important to have the electrolytes because we're not a freshwater organism. We're a saltwater organism. So all the water that we lose is saltwater. Yeah. And so we need to put that back. The other one is light. You know, our circadian rhythm is ruled and governed by how much light we get. Totally. And, you know, that's also another massive journey that I did was six days in absolute pitch black darkness called the darkness retreat. You did it? I did it. Oh, man. Okay. I did it before it got all popular.

51:00It was not in my research. So I want to hear about that because my friend Aaron Rodgers did it, and he had a hell of an experience. And so compared to all the psychedelic journeys you've done, what was different, what was similar going six days in a dark cave? This is a long and slow journey, and a lot of the psychedelic journeys are fast. Okay. You know, you're kind of leaping into the void. Yeah. And you're like, whoa, you know, it's like a fast, you know, kind of free dive down into the depths, super fast. And this one is like slowly, slowly sinking in. And for the first two days, you're just thinking a lot.

51:40That was my experience. And I was thinking about fixing all the internal things with external solutions. So by the end of day two, I had decided that I needed to move cities. I needed to change my vocation. I needed to break up with my partner. I needed to do all these things. And then by day three, I was like, oh, silly. Like, you just need to change the things inside. And then I started to go through this big process. And I was in this, you know, small farmhouse darkness retreat in near the Black Forest in Germany. Okay. And, you know, it was this kind of wild experience because at the end of day three, and I don't know if this is because I'd, you know, opened my lenses of perception so many different times, but I started having intense visions.

52:22Wow. And the vision started with these kind of flashing lights and the facilitator kind of warned me about it. And so I was prepared for that. Eyes open visions? It doesn't matter. Yeah, because it's dark. It's pitch black. And it's not, it's like people think dark. It's pitch black. Yeah. There's not any ounce. There is not a pinprick of light. Okay, yeah. So you're having visions in darkness. And they think, they actually hypothesize that you get a flood of melatonin when it starts. because what actually signals melatonin to be released into the body is the absence of light, which is why if you're up on screens late at night, you're going to be producing less melatonin.

52:58It's going to be a challenge. So people have blue blockers. They have a variety of different things they do. It's for the melatonin. But you get this flood of melatonin and then they hypothesize that a downstream reaction with melatonin creates endogenous DMT. So DMT that your body produces. It starts with flashing lights and then it looked like these oozing, dripping stalactites and stalagmites of like of this kind of greenish whitish glow and then it would burst into a full visionscape and so from day three to six I was in this full-on never-ending vision and it was really wild I mean so many things about ordinary life that you take for granted like putting toothpaste on a toothbrush I got to the point where I kept missing so many times and then dealing with little globs of toothpaste toothpaste all over the place that I just squirted the toothpaste in my mouth.

53:48You know, like, I don't know. I can't find the easiest thing. It's the easiest thing. So you get all perception of space and time is totally. Wow. And they mixed up the times they were serving the food. So you didn't really know what was day or night or where it was. And so it's all about kind of dropping you into a state of radical presence. And then the vision started and processing massive amounts of emotion, you know, like from grief to rage, all these things started to bubble to the surface. But the real profound moment is, you know, they led me out with one of those mind folds that block out all the light, even if you're in some light.

54:22And so I get led out to the outside and I can feel the wind on my skin and I could hear the birds and then slowly, it's like when you're ready, you know, take off your mind fold. And actually, you know, there's a documentary that I produce called About the Darkness. And so it has my darkness retreat in it. And it shows this moment where I take off my mind fold and I just see like all the colors, like the sun setting over the black forest, down over a valley. There's France and then there's droplets of water that are streaming off the roof and a little orange tabby cat. and I'm just looking for like 10 seconds and I start sobbing like oh my god like this has been all around me all the time and I've never appreciated it wow I've never appreciated that I get to see wow and so it's like when you fast for a long time a cashew feels like heaven yeah and then you're in your daily life you'll eat a handful of those things and not have a second thought so starving yourself of sight then gives you the deepest appreciation and I think Khalil Gibran said that every man is two men one who's asleep in the light and the other who's awake in the darkness and it really felt like I came awake to how precious and beautiful this life is and the experiences you get to have music because there's no sound in there either so music color light life freedom to kind of move around and so it's a really profound journey.

55:53And that one took a while to integrate from, for sure. That was one of the heaviest integrations that I had to kind of go through to keep that spirit alive. But it felt like a real rebirth. Like I went into the dark womb, the womb of blackness and mystery, and really came out a different person. Wow. I mean, I thank you for sharing that with the audience, but also just with myself, because it's something I've been contemplating doing. And seeing your eyes light up as you talk about it encourages me to have the courage. I mean, I've been afraid of that one. I'm not going to lie. Like I've really, I've been, that's something I've, it's been on my kind of radar for about four or five years now.

56:31And I've watched a bunch of videos on YouTube and I've, but there's something about it that has been, I'm like, do I have what it takes to do this? You do. And I think I do. You do. Yeah. For people who, you know, might be saying, I don't know if I do, or I don't know if I have but it takes to do half of the things that Aubrey's talking about. You're so inspirational and you've motivated a lot of people. How do you help people find that belief in themselves? They really, there's just something aside in them that wants to break out of the shell, that wants to go deeper, that wants to have more presence, but they just keep finding themselves either making excuses or saying they can't do it or they have fear.

57:08You talked about the difference between fear and love earlier. Like if we were to leave someone with one thing of like to inspire them that they have what it takes to go deeper in their life, what would it be? I think, you know, one thing you can do is just imagine what your ancestors had to go to bring you to this state, like what they had to deal with. Yeah. I mean, it's absolutely profoundly difficult, the life, if you stretch it back through time and what they've had to go through. And you've had the luxury of comfort. you get to be in climate controlled environments to slip in warm comfy shoes and you get food delivered by uber eats and that comfort comes with a cost yeah and that cost is this feeling that you're not capable but you are you're still the same biological entity yeah that your ancestors were totally you are that and you're also imbued with the spirit of life itself and there's so many benevolent helpers that are there waiting for you to reach out your hand you know and actually connect you know i think that's one of the beautiful symbols of the sistine chapel whereas god's reaching out just full-on reaching out and adam's just kind of lazily has his finger up like yeah maybe god i'll think about it god's like i'm here bro yeah i am here and he's like and that's the way we are like we just have to reach out and there's so much support that we have like pray figure it out you know you don't have to pray in a certain way but just offer your gratitude you know offer yourself to say like here here i am like help yeah and the the help will come yeah you've you've experienced that time and time again in your life totally i mean and i've experienced in my life and i encourage anyone that's enjoyed this conversation to think about like where in life is god the universe whatever you call it reaching out that all you got to do is, is meet it halfway.

59:09I'll read. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Such a fun conversation. So many places I had no idea we'd go to that we got to. So I really appreciate it. Absolutely. Thanks for coming on the show. Yeah, totally. If this episode spoke to you, please share it with a friend, family member, or someone you love because no magic pill is not just a podcast. It's a resource to help us all live better lives. Hit the subscribe button. so you never miss an episode. And let us know what you think by leaving a comment. A quick note that this episode is for informational and entertainment purposes only and is not intended as medical advice.

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