Liberal Media Bias, Trump & Taming Big Tech with Cable Impresario John Malone

24:25Kara Swisher:I'm going to fast forward to 2009. Netflix reported that it streamed more movies than it mailed. That was the year that it shifted over. My former partner, Walt Mossberg, interviewed you for our conference that we did with the Wall Street Journal at the time, and you said this regarding streaming, quote, you have this terrible reality of commercial life, which is how do you monetize this thing, unquote. The thinking within the cable industry was streaming wouldn't produce enough ad revenue or is too expensive to produce original content for it, which Netflix just ran into, speaking of taking risks.

24:57Kara Swisher:Why didn't the cable companies become Netflix before they did it? I'm curious because that might have been a solution for you. Keep in mind, by then, the guy you're interviewing here was the chairman of DirecTV. Mm-hmm. So I was no longer in the U.S. cable business at that time. I was in it internationally, but not U.S. And I tried to buy Netflix at that point in time when Reed was having a little bit of financial difficulty. But, I mean, there's no question that they saw the future and they drove hard toward it. Reed's comment to me at Sun Valley when I tried to buy it was, if I ever sell the company, it's going to be to a big tech guy.

25:43It's not going to be to an old media guy.

25:46Kara Swisher:Oh, wow. No offense taken. No offense. But you didn't believe in spending money on the content for streaming, right? Is that correct? because the numbers were enormous. And Netflix at one point was spending four times what Disney was or some cockamamie number. I believe that, in fact, it was my own outfit, Starz. Remember Starz? Yes, I do. That licensed all the Disney original content to Netflix that gave Netflix their real boost. Absolutely. When it was happening, I talked to a number of those. I'm like, do you understand you're arming your enemy? It was insanity the way it was contracted. It should have been limited.

26:30But the reality was I saw it. I wanted to buy it, and they were unwilling to sell it.

26:39Kara Swisher:I mean, I think the original sin of media companies was to give Netflix that leg up, for example. But why didn't the content people spend money, including yourself? Why wasn't that the idea? Well, it depends where you, they say where you stand depends on where you sit, I guess. Right, yeah. Keep in mind the cable industry was heavily embedded in the linear contractual relationships. That was their meat and potatoes. That was really the only business until internet came along. And they had tied up the big media companies in exclusive agreements that precluded the media companies, for the most part, from exploring these new phenomenon.

27:29So I would say the industry was kind of tied in a knot. The industry came up with various versions. They had a thing called TV Everywhere. I remember. When we sold the business to AT &T, the principal asset that AT &T got from us was control of a startup business called At Home, which was the first high-speed internet delivery over cable. And I had been able to unite basically all the major operators in North America other than Time Warner. They were blocked by a contractual deal they had with US West. And the goal was to offer this high-speed internet connectivity and to allocate 20 % of the revenue to the creation of content to be played on this new...

28:22Exclusively, right. That was the goal. Anyway, that was the asset AT &T bought when they got TCI. And it was very much my thought that it would include the full content package. If you interview guys like the guy running Time Warner, Bukas, he'll tell you the struggle they had in getting the cable industry to cooperate with each other through that period.

28:49Kara Swisher:So speaking of Jeff Bukas, every episode we get an expert question. Let's hear yours. Hi, John. It's Jeff Bukas. My question's on tech. Big tech's network effects on revenue combined with near zero marginal cost for incremental users causes a natural monopoly, winner-take-all dynamic that makes competition much less effective than how things worked in the industrial year. And so if you take that and you look at the global scale at which these giants operate, which extends well beyond regulatory reaches of either U.S. or EU governments acting separately or even together without China and the global south, what do you think would address the challenge of dominance, rent-seeking, the threat to preserving innovation, and probably more important than all of it, the political plurality and the separation of government?

29:45from the private sector?

29:47Kara Swisher:That's a great question. That's a big, broad regulatory question. You know, I'd have to say that don't rule out competition. Look at how much money is being spent on data centers now by these big tech guys. They're competing with each other. There's a race on, driven by this technology, which may or may not live up to its promise. So technology is going to continue to drive this, and it will create global competition. We're already seeing a pitched battle between the Chinese and America, and Trump defines it as who can produce the most electric power because you can't have a supergiant set of data centers if you don't have enormous amounts of electrical power to drive it.

30:46I'm not sure technology won't fix that, though. I think they can probably figure out over time to lower power consumption. But that said, you have the big tech companies now desperately looking to compete with each other, and you have companies or countries, China, the U.S., looking at it the same way. It's the whole future is dependent on who can implement these new technologies the quickest and the most efficiently against each other. And I looked at it and I said, well, the Chinese have an easier challenge. In America, we're going to have four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten people trying to do this.

31:29In China, they'll just have one. So for the same amount of money, they end up with about ten times the firepower as we will. because we're going to divide it amongst competitors. On the other hand, our competitors will drive innovation much faster against the Chinese. So for Jeff's question, you have to say these things are moving so fast into areas that we have no experience at, that I don't see how regulators can possibly keep up with the rate of change. You almost, in America, you almost have to count on competition. To sort it out. To sort it out, yes. And if government has to intervene, it's probably going to be more on a national security basis than it will be on trying to pick winners and losers.

32:28Kara Swisher:Right. That said, you have the cable industry, of course, has transformed itself. Cable companies are internet service writers. They often bundle cable streaming, internet, in some cases voice. But it's in a decline in many ways. Silicon Valley is moving into this space. And you've called for strict regulations on big tech. You say tech companies should be forced to make their algorithms transparent and consumers should be paid by tech companies when their personal data is harvested. This is something I have said for 30 years. But it's kind of a departure from your libertarian ethos. Explain what—you're saying competition's going to sort this out, but it may be it'll sort it out not in anybody's favor but the tech companies.

33:08Well, first of all, I'm on the side of the consumer. The consumer should be given choice as much as possible, and regulations should set up to allow the consumer to have choice. and in older, more established businesses, they do. And the regulators have probably done a pretty good job of making sure there's multiplicity of choices and connectivity in various other areas. Right now, you have a concentration of firepower. Take, for instance, Google's dominance of search. How long will that dominance in search last the AI investments that the other guys are making? because I noticed even personally I'm using AI search rather than Google search because it's handier, it seems to work better.

34:00So I think innovation is really ultimately the answer that the regulators have to look to. Now, when government intervenes like they did with network neutrality, they created a disaster for the cable industry Because all of a sudden, the cable industry had rapidly growing demand for its capacity. By tech companies. And no way to collect. So you disconnected the capital requirements on the cable companies from the revenue source that would normally drive the volume relationship that would normally drive it. And so cable companies are running around rebuilding their networks to handle this rapidly growing demand.

34:50At great cost. At great capital cost without any connection to the revenue stream. And this is particularly onerous to me from a network configuration point of view when it comes to big tech using sports, streaming sports, because it takes one channel. to cover the country with high-quality sports, with a football game. You don't need 50 million simultaneous streams to do it. But network neutrality has made it possible for big tech to create an advertising vehicle by turning what could be done with one channel into 50 million streams. so that they can maximize the ad revenue that they can generate out of the information they had on the consumer.

35:49Right.

35:50Kara Swisher:In such a sense, they're getting all the juicy bits, right? And you said we need a new regime of government regulations designed to rein in and monitor gigantic tech companies and big tech. You've called for algorithmic transparency, privacy data. Is there any—and then you're saying, well, I guess we'll rely on innovation and competition. I think there is a national security element to this. I think you got to cut the Chinese off from control of TikTok. You really have to do it. You can't just look the other way because you're playing games with it. You really have to do it. But there has to be a national security element to all of this stuff if we're going to continue to have a world that doesn't get along with everybody.

36:39Because the ability to manipulate through these technologies is pretty severe. And I don't think our system of government can survive too much dominance of that capability, that ability to understand brain chemistry. I mean, look, these guys with their social networks are all brain chemists now. How do we stimulate certain brain chemicals and make them last? And, you know, how do we make these things addictive? And those skill levels are aided by AI now where they can sort of individualize everybody's brain and see how every individual reacts to a certain stimuli. I mean, this thing can be a real sci-fi nightmare, you know, pretty quickly.

37:38Kara Swisher:Gosh, John, you sound like me. Everyone got mad at me for saying this. No, it really can. And so I think the government really, I don't know if the government has the ability to attract people who are smart enough. In fact, I don't know if the people exist who are smart enough to keep an eye on this stuff and call a halt if it starts to get out of control. And I think, you know, I agree with some of the spokesmen in the industry who say the industry needs to do this. The industry needs to self-regulate. They won't. But I don't think they will, and I don't see how that crosses international boundaries.

38:18Kara Swisher:They've obviously moved into politics in order to continue to preserve their power in that way very significantly. Now, you supported President Trump the first time around, and you and Liberty Media donated a combined$1 million to his inauguration in 2016. But by the time— Well, that was an inaugural contribution, not a political contribution. I know that. I was saying, compared to his inauguration. Right. But by the time the 2020 elections came around, you soured on them and the Trump White House was chaos and you were hoping to vote for Michael Bloomberg. And it seemed like you stopped donating to Trump after January 6th, but you still donate significant sums to Republican causes.

38:53Kara Swisher:For example, you gave$500 ,000 to Speaker Mike Johnson's Grow the Majority PAC in March. As a libertarian, talk about how you feel about the MAGA version of the Republican Party right now and its impact on business, which has obviously been your focus. Well, I broadly agree with the Trump Republican agenda, okay? I have to say that. Controlling the borders, trying to improve the quality of life for people, for the working poor, let's call them, by limiting illegal labor competition. You know, I think we should shift the tax code a little bit away from rewarding capital relative to labor. I think it's had a skew to it for way too long.

39:43So there are some of those agenda items. Reindustrializing America, at least in areas of national security and technology, I think is important. I don't know that you need to make shoes in America again, but I do think in areas that are critical, long-term, rare earths, places where we have allowed our supply chain to become extremely vulnerable as a nation. Because I don't think it's a peaceful world out there yet. And so I agree with those kind of things. I believe that what Trump's even doing on tariffs is a rational response to the VAT tax. Congress is not going to pass a consumption tax. But the VAT tax gives foreign manufacturers a real edge over U.S.

40:39manufacturers. In Ireland, there's a 21%, 22 % tax on imports, which is waived for Irish manufacturers on their exports. So American stuff going into Ireland has a tax. Stuff going from America into the U.S. does not. That's not fair. And so to equalize from at least a competitive manufacturing perspective, I think a tariff roughly equivalent to that tax is appropriate. I think it's also appropriate for Trump to use it as a lever to get foreign companies that have particularly strong positions in technology or manufacturing, like semiconductors, to come to the U.S. and supply the U.S. from U.S.

41:34production. Okay. It's going to take a long while. It's not going to be easy.

41:38Kara Swisher:Well, it sounds like you like what he's doing now, most of it. I like a lot of what he's doing. I don't necessarily care for his style, but I do like what he's trying to achieve, which is a reindustrialization of America, strengthening national defense, and improving the economic life of the lower middle class, let's call it the working middle class. What about taking 10 % interest in Intel or charging NVIDIA, VIG, or chips? Well, I would not support him going out and buying a 10 % stake in Intel. But under the Biden administration, they had already given Intel the capital. Via the Chips Act. I much prefer us either loaning it to the companies, if we have to, to get them to do what we want them to do, or taking an equity stake if their balance sheets won't support them borrowing the money and being able to truly pay it back.

42:41So I'm not opposed to on national defense grounds. I just think as a general matter. But if he needs to get a big injection of capital into Lockheed Martin so they can build drones fast enough, if that's an important thing to national security, I don't mind him buying preferred and equity stake or loaning them the money to make that happen rather than just giving them the money.

43:12Kara Swisher:In the book, you say the country was drifting towards socialism because JFK called on U.S. steel to lower prices. But when Trump calls on American companies to keep prices low despite terrorists, is that drifting towards socialism? It's silly and it's politics. It's politics. It's silly and it's politics. They're going to have to do what they have to do, you know, to produce results or they lose their jobs. Right. So, you know, calling on people to be nice guys, you know, it's good public relations, but it's not necessarily effective. And I think if you do things, if you single people out or companies out for bad behavior, that's probably okay if it's not politically motivated.

44:02Kara Swisher:Well, everything with Trump is politically motivated, it seems. So you say repeatedly in the book that CEOs' responsibility is toward their shareholders, which seems to be your religion, essentially. You're right. That's how capitalism works. So when Tim Cook, for example, has to do things with Trump, like give him a golden statue in order to keep the tariffs off his back, that's what he has to do. Presumably you think that. Does the CEO have any responsibility towards fellow citizens if Trump—do you consider him an authoritarian? especially with these troops in the cities. Is there any point where business leaders, they have to put the Constitution before shareholders?

44:43Well, I think the jury's out on this National Guard in cities. You know, I'd rather see the federal government fund a surge of cops, you know, rather than the National Guard.

44:59Kara Swisher:But how are you assessing what Trump is doing here then? Because not just going into the cities, but the idea that you have to kowtow to, you know, sort of the central executive idea. Well, I don't like that solution. My solution would be much more subtle. It would be reforming Social Security. It would be reforming 401K. You know, I look at these government problems as requiring long-term strategy. The problem in our culture, the problem in our political system, is we have politicians that are elected for two or six years in Congress. Congress is the most important part of our governmental system.

45:44It's very difficult for them to take long-term strategic views. But to fix these kind of problems, you must, whether it's national security. You know, when George W. Bush, who I admired personally, but when he brought China into the World Trade Organization as a developing country, he said goodbye to American industrial production. and it's been consistent ever since, we've shifted more and more industrial production out of the country to the point where we have very little ability to build anything in America, anything fundamental in America.

46:25Kara Swisher:So you're not worried about Trump being an autocrat or trying to stay in office or et cetera, et cetera? I worry in a couple of ways. One is he tries to fix everything quick. and his tactics are pretty brutal. It would be nice if he could have more finesse in approaching these things and do a better job really of explaining. But when you try and use a tariff for 27 different political reasons, like to help Bolsonaro in Brazil or to batter India into not buying Russian oil, you kind of lose your perspective. So I worry about Trump taking on too much too fast. Do I think he really is going to attempt to stay in power and put Don Jr.

47:22into the White House after him? I don't think so. I don't think that's really where he's coming from. I do believe that his close call with the assassination attempt really did make him think through his life, what his legacy can be, and how much time he has to achieve it. And the little comment he made on the side a few days ago about, I want to go to heaven, and I'm not sure. I'm not sure I'm doing well. We'll see. It was a pretty strong kind of statement that snuck out there.

48:00Kara Swisher:Yeah, interesting. I think it's true. All right, we'll see. We'll be back in a minute.

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50:46Kara Swisher:John, thanks for coming back for a second taping. We had a great conversation the first time, but I didn't get to ask you about the news business, which I meant to. It's just the other things were more interesting to me at the time. But since then, you've had some controversy around stuff you said about CNN. And I want to just go over it a little bit. Let me go backwards for a second, because in November of 2021, in the middle of the Warner Brothers Discovery merger, you criticized CNN and said it should, quote, actually have journalists. You compared it unfavorably to Fox News. And now you're criticizing them again.

51:19Kara Swisher:First, an interview with the New York Times. You said that when it comes to making CNN less biased to the left, Warner Brothers CEO David Zaslav has been, quote, unable to have any meaningful impact. And in an interview on CNBC, you said you aren't seeing any actual journalism in mainstream media or CNN in particular, and you compared it unfairly to Fox News again, which I want to just let you go on and explain this to me. Talk about your theories of what's happening here. Well, let's narrow it way down to television news. Okay. I go back, my standard would be Walter Cronkite and Huntley Brinkley, where they had massive audiences, pretty much their coverage of the news was very similar.

52:11And probably, I haven't done the arithmetic, but probably less than 5 % to 10 % of the news of the night had anything to do with politics. When Ted Turner decided to start CNN, Ted's theory was that news should be journalism. It shouldn't come out of New York or Washington, D.C. It could come out of Atlanta. and over time we saw CNN starting to become a little to the left. And when Rupert Murdoch called me up and said, is there room in America for another television news service? I thought, yes, because Rush Limbaugh had demonstrated on his radio side that there was a very large and underserved audience on the right of center.

53:14And so Rupert launched Fox News. And the deal Rupert explained to me was he was going to have a true news organization inside Fox News that was going to be really neutral politically and focused on factual news that would be represented today by Brett Baer, previously by Brett Yume. And the rest of the day was going to be entertainment focused on whatever's going on, fairly heavily political. Whereas Ted's approach was zero celebrity, just journalism, just the news. What happened, of course, was then MSNBC got launched as NBC felt like they needed a flanker brand for the broadcast news to fill the 24-7.

54:14And in order to compete and gain share against each other, they started to become increasingly political news because that was something that could really differentiate one from the other. CNN, in my opinion, had terrific journalists, still does, very talented people. and spread all around the world. Now, I also believe that they've been drawn into way too much political focus in their broad coverage in order to compete with the other two guys who are almost entirely political.

54:52Kara Swisher:I mean, that's what one would do if you see success at what Fox was doing. And we'll get to Fox in a minute because they're not the stellar news organization you speak of all the time. Yeah, but they don't hold themselves to be all journalism. They hold themselves to be sometimes journalism, but a Sean Hannity openly admits he's very biased, which he is. And the various, let's call them quasi-celebrities that have their hour here and the hour there. I mean, let's face it, when you have a comedian, Greg Gutfeld, right, is getting a big audience and his personal political position is very right-wing, okay?

55:39You know, is it entertainment or is it news? Well, I think it's entertainment. They don't try to be overwhelmingly factual. They try to be controversial and funny and keep an audience.

55:55Kara Swisher:So let me ask you, what do you think the public wants here? I mean, which CNN anchors are biased? Is it the evening time, which is very similar? It tracks onto what Fox does. Look, the trouble with bias is it's almost invisible. And the person who, look, these are good people. These are people who believe they're not blacks. Okay? They really believe that. It's just like an awful lot of us white folks say we're not biased about blacks. Okay? But it's embedded. You grew up in a family that didn't see blacks as we would like to see blacks today. So you have to go through a little mental exercise to understand where they're coming from.

56:44So you get somebody, a journalist, an anchor, a promoter, a producer, who's really behind, you know, what you cover and what you don't cover. And that kind of point of view is difficult to suppress. I mean, if you look at the political affiliations of the journalism industry, who they contribute to, who they register to vote with, okay, you'll find damn few professional journalists on the right. Damn few.

57:18Kara Swisher:There's a lot in Newsmax. They have more stations than ever before. Yes, there is a rising group because there is a rising economic structure that's willing to support it. I want a new service that not only serves the public, but makes us money. In a way, you're pining for a time that's gone by, right? The idea that we all got along and there are only three networks. Well, you were part of the change in that. The cable business certainly was. But I'm curious, you don't really criticize Fox News. You just think they just are what they are. It's incredibly political. It's divisive. Let me finish.

58:03Kara Swisher:And even though you admit it's got a lot of entertainment, not fact-based, most of the audience probably sees it as news and truthful. And let me also, as you know, and I'm not giving you some information you don't know, they settled a lawsuit with Dominion for$787 million because, as journalists repeated, lies about the 2020 election. Brett Baer sent emails pressuring the network's decision desk to reverse their 2020 election Arizona call and flip it from Biden to Trump. So how do you square this circle, if you don't mind? I just, I just, are they all the same? I'm not here to defend Fox as a journalism organization.

58:43I think Bret Baier comes the closest on air. But, you know, he's going to be pushed to the right just by the fact that he's so surrounded by people who have been selected because they may not even believe it personally. I mean, I don't know what Greg Gutfeld really believes. But I know he's found an audience for his comedy by approaching it from the right. So when I criticize it, I'm just saying, look, if you want to have a successful global news service, the effort should be to make it very factual and less partisan political. and more in-depth coverage so people actually have, who are interested, actually have the facts in some level of depth.

59:45Kara Swisher:But no conservative viewers are going to abandon Fox or OAN or Newsmax for CNN's version of Fox News Lite, I would assume. In the book, you write that the news service like CNN is a public trust that, quote, the media have, if not an obligation, then a moral imperative to help unite the country rather than endlessly exposing or exacerbating our differences. We started talking about how the media fragment and people want to listen to their own choir. We can argue about whether or not Fox is living up to its obligation to unite the country. I don't think that's its job, nor do I think it is intending to do it.

1:00:18Kara Swisher:But it's clear that on social media, enragement equals engagement. And there's very little incentive to unite, especially financially, just what you're talking about. So where does that leave us as a society? Scared to death about our grandchildren. Scared to death. Going through dramatic changes, already having all kinds of psychological, psychiatric problems, suicide rates, people feeling isolated, young men, couch potatoes connected to the rest of the world only through a digital platform that's manipulating their brain chemistry. I think it's very scary. And I'm not sure I can predict in any meaningful way where it's going to go.

1:01:08I think, you know, I'm a huge believer in education, in the educated citizen being able to end up keeping a political system functional. And I just don't see it. And there are going to be plenty of people that are really well-educated and really understand a lot more than I do. But the average, the mass population is currently subject to great manipulation by entrepreneurs who really should be brain chemistry scientists and are. And people get addicted to things without realizing it.

1:02:01Kara Swisher:Let me read you something to someone who knows you very well. And they were joking. They said John has been out West for too long, which is funny. He said he doesn't recognize the rotten government, the unprecedented Putin-esque subservient oligarchic corruption, and isn't frothing at the mouth about the Marxist tariffs the way he would if a Democrat had done it. The lack of EQ among Republican male business types augmented by other issues is an abandonment of what they all previously declared were their conservative principles because MAGA extremists have slapped an R on the whole tyrannical project.

1:02:37Kara Swisher:And the last thing they said, one of the things that's hard to do is you don't have a solution, I guess. And he jokingly said one loses brain cells living in the plains or mountains, either because of the emptiness or altitudes. That was a joke. Well, you know, look, all I say about myself is I'm really an engineer. You show me a problem and I'll try to figure out an approach to solving it. So I'm very much problem, solution, problem, solution kind of a person, no matter what comes my way. And I'm pragmatic about it. I am not politically biased in one way or another. I would call myself a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.

1:03:24I think government needs to stay out of people's lives as much as possible. And I think the financing of government should be as painless to a market economy as it can be and as little disruptive to a market economy as it can be. you know but i believe we live in a rational world uh with a lot of bad actors and we need to be strong as a country and think about our survivability our sustainability um which we don't do nearly enough i mean our political system is built around a you know a three-part federal government in which the congress was supposed to be the most important and the most active.

1:04:12And unfortunately, they in recent years have been the least active. As a result, the executive and the bureaucracy has been filling in for the vacuum created by Congress not being explicit. Look, there hasn't been a budget coming out of Congress in years. They can't agree on anything. So they just kicked the ball down the road. And what that really means is they're transferring power to the executive branch. It scares me to death that Trump is right at the very edge of presidential power trying to define the extent of it. I hope he doesn't go against the courts, but I do hope that the courts constrain themselves and don't think they're now the ultimate power in the universe.

1:05:07Congress should be the ultimate power in the universe, but Congress is so divided, it's dysfunctional.

1:05:12Kara Swisher:This particular Congress has abrogated its power to him. You know this. Yeah, this is a real, real problem in our form of government. All right. Well, we're going to end there, John. I really appreciate this. I wanted to get the clarity, and you did that. And so I appreciate it. All right? Very good.

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