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Rich Habits Podcast Episode 158: Why You Feel Behind Financially
Episode Overview In this episode, hosts Robert Croak and Austin Hankwitz explore the psychological and societal reasons why many individuals feel financially behind, despite evidence suggesting they are doing well. They emphasize the importance of distinguishing between perception and reality in financial situations.
Key Hosts
- Robert Croak: Experienced entrepreneur with over $200 million in company exits.
- Austin Hankwitz: Young entrepreneur and financial enthusiast eager to learn.
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Main Discussion Points
- Understanding Financial Anxiety
- Many individuals, including those with six-figure incomes, express feelings of being “behind” financially.
- The disconnect between feelings and actual financial standings can cause anxiety and poor financial decisions.
- Reasons for Financial Anxiety
The hosts identify three major reasons why people feel financially behind:
a. Skewed Benchmarks
- People often compare themselves against unrealistic standards, primarily influenced by social media.
- The constant exposure to curated success stories leads to feelings of inadequacy.
b. Survivorship Bias
- Society tends to highlight only successful stories (e.g., tech entrepreneurs, real estate moguls) while ignoring the many who fail.
- This gives a distorted view of what success looks like and further contributes to feelings of inadequacy.
c. Negative Headlines
- Media coverage focuses on financial pain and crises, which can skew perceptions of economic reality.
- Headlines about debt levels and economic downturns can create a sense of hopelessness.
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Key Takeaways
- Financial Reality vs. Perception: Recognizing that feeling behind financially does not necessarily equate to actual financial failure is crucial. Many are making progress but don’t recognize it due to skewed benchmarks.
- Data Insights: The episode shares Federal Reserve data indicating median net worth by age:
- Under 35: $39,000
- 35-44: $135,000
- 45-54: $247,000
- 55-64: $364,000
- Living Within Means: It's emphasized that many individuals, despite feeling behind, are actually doing just fine financially if they measure their position against realistic benchmarks.
- Focus on Control: Listeners are encouraged to focus on controllable aspects of their financial lives, such as savings and debt reduction, rather than comparing themselves to others.
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Actionable Advice
- Question Your Benchmarks
- Reflect on what you’re comparing yourself to. Are these comparisons grounded in reality or social media illusions?
- Understand Survivorship Bias
- When hearing success stories, ask how many have failed in similar pursuits, which can provide a more balanced perspective.
- Be Grounded in Your Finances
- Regularly assess your actual financial situation based on measurable data rather than emotional responses.
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Q&A Segment The episode concludes with a Q&A session addressing listener questions related to personal finance, including:
- 401(k) Contributions: Recommendations for managing suboptimal retirement accounts.
- Investment Strategies for Older Adults: Suggestions for low-risk investments while acknowledging the challenges of achieving desired returns.
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Final Thoughts The hosts underline the importance of mindset in achieving financial freedom and stability. They encourage listeners to focus on their personal financial journeys and remain committed to improving their financial habits.
Call to Action Listeners are invited to share episodes with friends who may benefit from the discussions, highlighting the importance of community in financial literacy and growth.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOUnderstanding Financial Anxiety
1:31 to 2:14
Exploration of why people feel financially behind despite data showing otherwise.
“So Robert, what are we going to be talking about in today's episode?”
Skewed Benchmarks and Social Media
2:14 to 3:55
Discussion on how social media influences financial perceptions and creates unrealistic benchmarks.
“Yeah, Robert, I know people personally that make six figures, 100, 150, 200 ,000 a year, and they tell me that they feel broke and they genuinely feel that way.”
Consequences of Feeling Behind
3:55 to 6:34
Analyzing the negative effects of feeling behind and the emotional decisions that result.
“Yeah, we all scroll Instagram and you see someone posting about their new Tesla, their vacation in Bali, their crypto gains.”
Survivorship Bias in Financial Success
6:34 to 7:57
Understanding how survivorship bias skews perceptions of financial success.
“well, you can do this in five minutes a day and make$20 ,000 a month.”
Real Financial Data and Benchmarks
7:57 to 11:08
Presenting actual financial data that shows many people are doing well despite feelings of inadequacy.
“And it's the playbook that's as old as time.”
Reality vs. Perception in Finances
11:08 to 14:02
Discussing the disconnect between people's perceptions of their finances and the reality as reflected in data.
“And I would argue, you listen to the show, I'm sure a lot of you are actually kind of running the numbers now in your head.”
Understanding Financial Perception
14:02 to 17:46
Explore how social media and biased success stories shape financial self-image.
“Yeah, the big idea we're really trying to get across here is that feeling behind financially and actually being behind financially are not the same thing.”
Reassessing Financial Benchmarks
17:46 to 19:48
Learn how to question and adjust your financial benchmarks for clarity and control.
“I'm so grateful that we get to come back every week and share these strategies and perspectives and sort of reality checks with 100 ,000 people that tune into the show.”
Shifting Focus to Personal Finance
19:48 to 20:04
Understand the importance of focusing on your financial situation rather than external factors.
“One of my favorite phrases, Robert is don't worry about the White House, worry about your house, right?”
Q&A: Navigating 401(k) Challenges
21:22 to 23:11
Discuss strategies for managing a 401(k) with limited matching options.
“So our first question comes from Uriel O on Instagram.”
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Q&A: Roth IRA Strategies
23:11 to 26:25
Explore effective investment strategies for a Roth IRA to maximize growth.
“And I wanted to include this question because it's a fun thought exercise, right?”
Q&A: Simplifying Investment Choices
26:25 to 28:00
Learn about selecting simple index funds for retirement accounts.
“So our next question comes from an anonymous listener on Instagram.”
Investment Strategies for Retirement
28:00 to 28:52
Learn about simple and effective investment strategies for retirement savings.
“S P Y I to get a little bit of income, but I would have it down to four or five of these funds.”
Investing for an Elderly Family Member
31:40 to 37:10
Gain insights on how to invest funds for elderly family members with specific needs.
“Via email, richhabitspodcast at gmail.com.”
Transcript
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1:15Robert Croak:We'll also help you separate that perception from reality. My name is Austin Hankwitz, and I'm joined by my co-host, Robert Croak. Robert is a seasoned entrepreneur with lifetime revenues of over 300 million, and I'm a multimillionaire in my late 20s with a background in finance and economics. As the show name might suggest, every episode, we talk about rich habits as they relate to business, finance, and mindset. So Robert, what are we going to be talking about in today's episode?
1:42Austin Hankwitz:In today's episode of the Rich Habits Podcast, we're leaning into the mindset side of our business, finance, and mindset tagline. We're breaking down why so many people feel behind financially, even when the data tells them they're not. And I think there are three big reasons, skewed benchmarks, survivorship bias, and the fact that most people won't admit what their real financial situation actually is. I feel like almost everyone I talk to, friends, family, people who message me on Instagram, even people who are objectively doing well financially, all say the same thing. I feel behind. I've heard it a thousand times and feeling behind and actually being behind are actually two completely different things, but we treat them like they're the same and they cause real damage to the mindset and where you actually are.
2:35Robert Croak:Yeah, Robert, I know people personally that make six figures, 100, 150, 200 ,000 a year, and they tell me that they feel broke and they genuinely feel that way. And it's not them being dramatic, but when you dig into a little bit and you ask them more about what's going on, the problem is not their finances. It's the way they perceive their finances. Robert, you mentioned skewed benchmarks. So let me jump into our first topic here, skewed benchmarks. Most people, they don't even know what they're really comparing themselves to, right? They just have this vague sense that everyone else is doing better than them.
3:07Robert Croak:And I think a lot of that comes from what we see online. You talk about this all time. This is that social media comparison bias. It's that psychological phenomenon where people evaluate their own worth by comparing themselves to people that they follow and see online. It's always been a thing, but Robert, I feel like since really 2019, 2020, it's just got out of control because now you're not just comparing yourself to your neighbors or your coworkers. Oh, wow, Johnny got a new BMW. Martha down the street, you know, she just upgraded this or whatever. You're not now just doing that, but you're doing it for everybody around the world simultaneously on Instagram, on LinkedIn, on TikTok.
3:47Robert Croak:Despite all of these people everywhere else, they're just showing you the highlight reel. It's not the reality of their lives.
3:55Austin Hankwitz:Yeah, we all scroll Instagram and you see someone posting about their new Tesla, their vacation in Bali, their crypto gains. You see LinkedIn posts about people getting promotions, starting new companies, raising capital. all of these things in your brain automatically goes, well, I'm not doing that, so I must be failing. But what you don't see is the debt purchase behind the Tesla, the credit card bills for Bali, or the fact that the crypto portfolio is down 60 % from its peak in October. You're comparing your full reality to someone else's carefully curated illusion, and this causes real problems.
4:33Austin Hankwitz:So here's why things get ugly. Let's pretend you feel behind financially because everyone on social media seems to be making more money than you. So you make the emotional rash decision to take a new job you absolutely hate because it pays more. Or maybe even you invest in something incredibly risky because you're trying to play catch up. Or even worse, you go into debt buying things to look successful when you're not quite there yet.
4:58Robert Croak:Robert, all of this turmoil and angst came about because you felt behind. You saw the Bali trip. You saw the Tesla model. You see those things and you're like, oh, I got to go start doing this stuff on Calci and Polymarket so I can better. I saw this really cool thing that I could flip a real estate this or you start doing these crazy out. Or I'm going to go take this job that I hate because I got to go make an extra thousand a month. You do these crazy things because you feel behind financially because your benchmark, that pure benchmark, you're saying, what is my life compared to? The benchmark is skewed.
5:34Robert Croak:You're comparing it all to social media. Now, the data shows that younger people are experiencing this more than anyone. 43 % of Gen Z and 41 % of millennials report feeling financially behind. But when you actually look at the data, and I think data facts are our friends, right? We hear that all the time. A lot of them are doing just fine for their age. You could have a growing 401k. You could be out of high interest debt. You can be making more this year than you did last year. But because you are comparing yourself to these skewed benchmarks, you are stressed and you don't feel like you're doing well financially.
6:10Robert Croak:All of that stress, all of that emotion is caused by a headline of some 23-year-old tech guru on LinkedIn selling their startup for half a billion dollars to Google or something, right? You have these unrealistic benchmarks in your head of how far along you should be in your life.
6:28Austin Hankwitz:Yeah, I couldn't agree more to this sentiment and this whole point because we see it every day on Instagram and TikTok where this person says, well, you can do this in five minutes a day and make$20 ,000 a month. And you've got people like Grant Cardone saying, if you don't make$400 ,000 a year and you're a man, you're a loser. Everyone needs to put away all that noise and get rid of it because the key point here is the benchmarks we're using, that comparison, that idea of what we should be doing is broken. We're comparing ourselves to highlight reels and outlier success stories, not the reality of life.
7:02Austin Hankwitz:And that's just the biggest problem I see. So that leads us to survivorship bias. We only hear about the winners, The person who bought Bitcoin in 2011. The entrepreneur whose startup went viral and they made millions. The real estate investor who timed the market perfectly and now is a real estate mogul. But for every person who posts on LinkedIn about a job promotion or a viral product that made them millions of dollars in month one, there are a thousand other people who are skipped on the promotion and couldn't get their viral idea to work. The difference is those thousand people aren't posting about it because success looks common when it's actually very rare.
7:42Robert Croak:Whereas the average outcome, the person who works a normal job, saves consistently, retires comfortably at 65, that doesn't make headline news because it's not sexy, but it's what many financially successful people actually do, including myself and Robert, right? That's the playbook. And it's the playbook that's as old as time. Which brings us to the actual numbers, right? This is most important because I want you guys to really tune in here and think about how do I benchmark myself against the actual numbers. The Federal Reserve does a survey every three years. And the most recent data we have here is from 2022.
8:16Robert Croak:And that survey shows the median net worth in America by age. We're using median, not average, because average gets skewed by billionaire tech bros and billionaire tech people. So we're not going to do average, we're going to do median. I'm median, right? We're all median here. So let's just roll. So if you're under the age of 35 in the United States, the median net worth is$39 ,000. That's it. It's not 100 ,000. It's not 500 ,000. It's not a million. Oh my gosh, you're 33. You're not a millionaire yet. Like what's wrong with you, Susan? No, it's$39 ,000. That number is actually up 143 % from 2019 to 2022, which tells you that younger people are actually doing a lot better now than they were just a few years ago, which means if you're a 30-year-old human being in the United States with$40 ,000 to your name, you are by definition above the median, right?
9:10Robert Croak:You're above average, right? Whatever you want to call it here. You don't need to feel like you're behind financially at 30 years old with$40 ,000 to your name because you are by definition doing better than the masses.
9:21Austin Hankwitz:So let's dig into the people in their 30s and 40s. And I've got some really good stats here to help you guys. So please take notes. Age 35 to 44 median net worth is$135 ,000. Age 45 to 54 years old, it's$247 ,000. And age 55 to 64 is$364 ,000. Now remember, 30 % of Americans currently have a negative net worth, 30%. So if you have no debt and$100 in your pocket, you are ahead of 30 % of Americans already. Take away all of these great stats. So keep that in mind because these are real numbers. And what's wild is 73 % of adults report they're at least doing okay or living comfortably financially, according to this federal reserve data, three quarters of people, which means people that are retired at 63 with 364 K to their name, collecting their social security are feeling comfortable, but take that with a grain of salt.
10:22Austin Hankwitz:I don't want you to retire comfortably. I want you to retire wealthy, which is why you listen to the show. But you wouldn't know that from social media. That's for sure.
10:30Robert Croak:You certainly wouldn't. And I just I love kind of reflecting upon stats like this. Right. So think about that again. 35 to 44 median net worth in America is one hundred and thirty five thousand. Forty five to fifty four. It's about a quarter million dollars. Two hundred forty seven thousand. And ages fifty five to sixty four median net worth is three hundred and sixty four thousand dollars. And you threw in the stat that essentially a third of Americans have a negative net worth. So if you have a positive net worth, no matter what that is, congrats, you're ahead of a third of Americans, which is great.
11:02Robert Croak:And if you're coming in above these actual real Federal Reserve benchmarks, you are above the norm, like you are doing better than your peers. And I would argue, you listen to the show, I'm sure a lot of you are actually kind of running the numbers now in your head. And you're like, wait a second, I'm actually doing pretty good for myself. I thought I was behind because I saw this LinkedIn post about my friend who got promoted and now they're a VP where I'm still a manager, but you know what? I am doing pretty good. And that's the purpose of this episode, to give you guys hope, to help you understand that you're doing pretty good.
11:31Robert Croak:You guys are taking notes, you're taking action, you guys are taking control of your financial futures. I mean, you are doing so, so well. We'll get more into that in a second. But Robert, before we jump into that, we got to talk about the disconnect because that's where a lot of people fall, right? They fall that the disconnect between feeling and reality. Because even with these numbers, people are still feeling behind. And I think there's a few reasons for that. So half of Americans say that they're happy or even very happy with their finances. We're on the flip side. Half of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.
12:03Robert Croak:But the thing here is, Robert, is living paycheck to paycheck doesn't automatically mean you're failing. It means your expenses equal your income, which in my instance, when I certainly was living paycheck to paycheck at 23, 24 years old, before I became an entrepreneur, it just meant I didn't have that much money to move around because I was maxing out my Roth IRA every year, right? So maybe you're someone who's contributing to their 401k, you're maxing out your Roth IRA, you're saving every single, you know, month and things like that. And you're like, Oh my gosh, I'm living paycheck to paycheck.
12:36Robert Croak:But like under the surface, once you kind of open up the hood, you see just how well you're doing. And the data backs that up. I know we've been dropping a lot of data on you guys in this episode, but it's important because facts are our friends. 72 % of young adults are actively taking steps to improve their finances. They're saving more. They're cutting their costs. They're paying down their debt. They're trying to make progress, but they don't feel like they're making the progress because they're comparing themselves to these impossible standards.
13:06Austin Hankwitz:Yeah, I remember when I was in my 30s, I was making good money, I was growing businesses, I was buying real estate, I was building wealth. But I was also very lucky because I wasn't constantly comparing myself to the barrage of highlight reels that we see nowadays on social media, like everyone now has to contend with. And I'm sure if that was the case back then for me, I might have felt uneasy as well on my wealth building journey. But going back to this, and this is one of the key points from what you just stated, is so many people, they might still be making six figures or higher six figures, but because they don't get their expenses in order because they're trying to keep up with the Joneses, that is a key takeaway that everyone needs to understand.
13:48Austin Hankwitz:What is the reality and what are the feelings? Because the reality is you're living beyond your means and that hurts your feelings, but you could fix it if If you get your affairs in order and get your debt to income and your budget in order, you can fix all of this. But this is a great distinction for people to understand.
14:05Robert Croak:Yeah, the big idea we're really trying to get across here is that feeling behind financially and actually being behind financially are not the same thing. And most people feel behind not because they're failing, but because they're using the wrong benchmarks. And your perception of your financial situation is shaped by what you see, not by what's true. and what you see is skewed in three major ways.
14:28Austin Hankwitz:Yeah, number one for me is social media highlight reels. You're comparing your full reality to other people's carefully curated illusions. And number two, survivorship bias in success stories. You hear about the viral entrepreneur, the early crypto investor, the real estate flipper who made millions, but you don't hear about the thousands of other people who tried the same thing and failed.
14:52Robert Croak:And the third major way you're skewing your benchmarks is the headlines that are everywhere focusing on economic pain, right? Credit card debt, record highs, most Americans can't afford this emergency, housing market crushes, young buyers, right? These stories are emotional. They're supposed to bring out your emotions because they need to get clicks. They get paid on clicks. They don't get paid when they say, hey, there was this guy in Montana or this woman in Nebraska that had a great retirement because she was a teacher and he was a plumber and they saved and invested 15 % of their income for the last 40 years.
15:31Robert Croak:That doesn't get headlines. But what does is the housing market is crashing and the buyers can't afford anything. So when you put these three things together, social comparison, survivorship bias, negative headlines, you get this warped perception. where it feels like everyone else is either crushing it financially or completely broke, and there's no in-between.
15:52Austin Hankwitz:Yeah, walk down the neighborhoods and see the Jeep Cherokee and the BMW in the driveway and all the cool stuff, and most of those people are broke. And that is why you have to stop comparing, live your life, live within your means, do all the right things so you can retire with wealth and financial freedom. So Austin, what do we do about this, and what can everyone do to follow along? I think it all starts with questioning the benchmarks we're using. Like if you feel behind, ask yourself behind what? Behind who? Is that benchmark even realistic? Is it based on reality or is it based on social media?
16:27Austin Hankwitz:And be honest about survivorship bias. When you see a success story, ask yourself how many people have tried the same thing and failed. When you see a headline about someone making millions, ask yourself, is that the exception or the rule? And I'm sure you'll find yourself in a much better mindset.
16:43Robert Croak:And don't forget, get grounded in your actual financial situation. Not how you feel about it, but what the numbers actually say. Are you saving money month over month, year over year? Are you reducing debt month over month, year over year? Are you making more here in 2026 than you made maybe last year in 25 or maybe even 2024? Because maybe not everyone makes more money year over year. Maybe it's a little 18, 24 months promotion, 18, 28. But are you making progress? Are you building the skills to increase your income over time throughout your career? Like you have to measure what you can control and you can control your savings.
17:22Robert Croak:You can control reducing debt. You can control your skills to make more in your career. Those are the things to focus on because if you measure those things, everything else is going to fall in order.
17:31Austin Hankwitz:And if you're actually struggling financially and you're not making progress, if you're going backwards, that's real and that needs to be addressed. But most people who feel behind aren't in that situation. They're making progress. They're doing fine. They just feel terrible about it because they're using these broken benchmarks we're talking about in this episode.
17:51Robert Croak:Robert, what an awesome episode here. I'm so grateful that we get to come back every week and share these strategies and perspectives and sort of reality checks with 100 ,000 people that tune into the show. if you're someone that is trying to figure out like, wait a second, my net worth says I have $79 ,000 to my name. I'm in my early 30s, or maybe I've got 186 ,000 to my name. I'm in my late 40s, like whatever it is, like, that's what you should be focused on, right? We talk about this all the time, which is, again, you can only control the controllables. You can't control what the stock market's doing or, you know, things like that.
18:24Robert Croak:But what you can control is that I save a little bit of money this month. Did I invest a little bit of money this month? Did I pay off a little bit of debt this month, right? Like just that's what you got to focus on because it's not the crazy crypto, real estate, tech bro, AI, like all this stuff that you see in the headlines of some guy raising all this money or some woman go buy a condo and she's building up a whole empire. Like it doesn't matter. None of that stuff affects you. You're on your own journey. You're on your own path. And the sooner you realize that you are on exactly where you need to be in your life, the better you're off you're going to be.
19:01Robert Croak:I'm exactly where I need to be. Robert's exactly where he needs to be. And you are exactly where you need to be.
19:06Austin Hankwitz:100%. I've been saying it for years. And to me, this episode really reflects a lot of what I believe in, that life and leading a financially free, mentally free and a fulfilling life is about what you do for yourself because everyone is different. Personal finance is different. Life gets in the way. We all have setbacks, but so much of the outcome is based on your mindset. And that's why we're always bringing this up. And I love this episode for that, to just give everybody a little bit of a reality check, a little bit of bump in the shoulder to get them to understand, stop worrying about the highlights, stop worrying about all the fake stuff on the internet and worry about what you can control in your own house and in your own habits and finances.
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19:51Robert Croak:Yeah. One of my favorite phrases, Robert is don't worry about the White House, worry about your house, right? And that goes, whoever's, you know, president's going on, right? Like you can't control that house, but you can control your house. I love that. So Robert, let's now jump to our Q &A section of the episode. If you have a question to ask us, be sure to email us at richhabitspodcast at gmail.com or send us a DM on Instagram at richhabitspodcast. Actually, before we answer a question, let's give a shout out. Let's give a shout out to public.com, the investing platform for those who take it seriously, because on public.com, you can build a multi-asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, cryptocurrency, and now generated assets, which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index using AI.
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21:22Robert Croak:So our first question comes from Uriel O on Instagram. Uriel says, hey, Robert and Austin, I've been a day one listener and I've learned so much from your show. Thank you. I want to know your thoughts on my work 401k. You guys say the rule is match beats Roth beats taxable, but my new job has a funky retirement rule with Merrill Lynch. They only contribute up to 3 % of contributions. So essentially, if I contribute 3 % of my salary, I'm only getting a match on 1.5%. So 50 % of my contribution. It's not dollar for dollar. Should I still invest into it knowing that I have no autonomy to pick my allocation?
22:08Robert Croak:All I have is a target date fund. Or should I not invest to it and use that money to max out my Roth IRA since the contribution limits increased this year? Really good question. Robert, I'll let you kick this one off.
22:21Austin Hankwitz:Yeah, I wish we knew Uriel's age, but let's just assume 35, 40 years old or something like that. I would say I would probably not max out the 401k because you're not getting that one for one match. And if you don't have any autonomy and they're just going to slap you in a target date fund, I think your money would do better elsewhere. You mentioned maxing out the Roth IRA. I think that's a great idea. So that would be my takeaway, because if we assume that they're giving this 50 % match for every dollar and they're going to put you in a target date fund that's going to underperform the benchmarks of the regular market, you know, S &P or the NASDAQ, I would rather see you at least get that Roth IRA maxed out every year in the funds we talk about all the time.
23:03Austin Hankwitz:So you at least have the autonomy and hopefully stronger gains than any of the target date funds they're going to put you in.
23:10Robert Croak:Yeah, that's a good perspective. And I wanted to include this question because it's a fun thought exercise, right? Because if you're getting a dollar for dollar match on your 401k contribution, like, yeah, go get your free money, like 100%. I don't care what it's invested in. congrats you just got literal free money for contributing to your retirement account you can go switch things up later but if it's a 50 match now it's like okay so i've got to invest half my money into like it just doesn't get a match and that has to be parked into something that i don't have autonomy over where the other 50 i do get as a free like 50 return on my contribution in a one year period of time so like that sounds pretty good but something though that just kind of continues to linger in the back of my head here that you said, Uriel, was since the contribution limits increased this year, which is true, Roth IRA contribution limits increased from 7 ,000 to 7 ,500.
24:02Robert Croak:Something Robert and I really believe in is the Roth IRA. And we want to make sure that you are maxing out your Roth IRA contributions every single year, if you certainly can, if you can afford that. We think that is something everyone should be doing. It's the most powerful wealth building account, in my humble opinion, that anyone has access to. And so Uriel, I want to make sure you're maxing out that Roth IRA, knowing that the contribution limit's a little bit higher. And if you do want, can you do both? I guess that's kind of like my question back to you, because I don't have the perfect answer here.
24:34Robert Croak:It's a math question, I'm sure. And we can figure out and extrapolate different types of scenarios, what the markets do, whatever, because 50 % return is material. That's great. But can you do both? Can you maybe go up to 3 % or maybe 2 % and you'll get some sort of match there. But then also more importantly, max out that Roth IRA because you have complete autonomy over that investment. I mean, it's kind of boring and not that advantageous. If you contribute up to the match in this 401k, they put you in a target date fund, half your money is in bonds, 22 % is in international and 14 % is in some small cap value fund.
25:09Robert Croak:And you're like, what is my money even invested in? It hasn't grown at all in the last three years. Like, cool, we got this match, but like, I just left so much on the table if I had autonomy. And so like, that's kind of what we're trying to prevent. There's no perfect answer to this because like, again, it's a math problem, but I wanted to include this question to give you guys kind of a inside into how I'm thinking about this and, and sort of just this thought exercise on, you know, balancing a partial match with a maxed out 401k and not having autonomy and just it's, it really comes down to your personal preference, but I would love to see you max out that Roth IRA.
25:41Austin Hankwitz:Yeah. And I want to click back on this just one second because there's a stat that really sticks out for me and that is less than 19 percent of u.s adults currently have a roth ira austin and i are huge believers as he stated in the roth ira as one of the greatest wealth building tools out there to give you all of this growth over time tax-free and so i just really want to put it out there for everyone else on top of uriel to understand the importance of the roth ira i think everyone that has kids that should be their 18th birthday gift to get them a Roth IRA opened up or migrate a custodial IRA into the Roth IRA for them at 18 years old.
26:20Austin Hankwitz:But everyone should own one. And I just wanted to click back on that for everyone that's following along.
26:25Robert Croak:All right, Robert. So our next question comes from an anonymous listener on Instagram. This anonymous listener says, I love the podcast. I started listening to it about a year ago. And ever since then, I've just binged all your episodes. I've learned a lot, but I need some serious help. I'm 43 years old. I live in South Florida. I own my condo and I don't have a mortgage. I make about$2 ,500 a month with association fees and some other bills. I roughly pay 2 ,000 to 2 ,300 a month. So I'm only left with a small amount of money for the rest of the month. I don't have any debt and my credit cards are getting paid on time.
27:01Robert Croak:I've never been educated on investing. So I started late. I opened a Roth IRA on public.com about three years ago because of you guys. But from what I've learned from you, I think I need to do some serious rebalancing in my portfolio. What ETFs should I include in a long-term retirement investing account to maximize my growth over the next 10, 20, or even 30 years? Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Robert, what's your take on this? Obviously, I think people should keep it super simple when it comes to these retirement accounts. I don't like to have a lot of active management with my Roth or my retirement accounts in general, just index funds and things.
27:39Robert Croak:But how do you sort of approach it?
27:41Austin Hankwitz:I agree 100%. My Roth account and my other retirement account, I do not really get fancy with at all. So in this case, I think QQQ is great. I would have VOO in there. I would maybe look, since he's only 43 years old, at maybe having some AIQ, maybe some S P Y I to get a little bit of income, but I would have it down to four or five of these funds. We talk about all the time, maybe some VTI in there, but that's what I would do. I would keep it simple, get it spread across those four or five index funds every single month and let it rock and roll for the next 20, 25 years to build as much wealth as possible, given the$100 monthly contribution.
28:24Austin Hankwitz:Now, the other thing that I would say right now, because he is living beyond his means with the relative income to what he's paying for the condo. I would go get that side hustle we're always talking about, make that three, four, five hundred dollars extra a month and invest all of that into these funds we're talking about to jumpstart that retirement and get it further along. But either way, keep it simple. Do your thing. Use the funds we mentioned and you'll be set.
28:51Robert Croak:Yeah, Robert, I'm right there with you. And I think the big takeaway here is at least this is how I think about it. It's like I, again, I do active management in my bridge account. Right now I'm kind of leaning toward energy. I'm leaning toward some international stuff. I have active management in these sort of brokerage accounts. But when it comes to my retirement account, an account I'm not going to touch for 30 years because I don't have access to it. VOO, QQQ, a little bit of Bitcoin, a little bit of SPYI, right? And just ride the wave. AIQ is a great example. Maybe you want VTI instead, but just these big, boring index funds and ETFs.
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31:40Robert Croak:Our final question comes from Adair P. Via email, richhabitspodcast at gmail.com. Adair says, hi, Rich Habits team. I love the podcast and always find your discussions very practical and insightful. I'm riding with a real world situation and would love your perspective. My 82-year-old mother-in-law has entrusted me with$50 ,000 to invest in the stock market. She doesn't need the income right now, but we want the money to grow over the next five years. My big priorities are to preserve capital as much as possible, at least target a 7 % annual return, keep the investment relatively simple and understandable, and if possible, generate modest income without high risk.
32:23Robert Croak:Given her age in this five-year time horizon, what are stocks, ETFs, or other investment strategies you would recommend? Specifically, we love your actionable ideas, not just general principles. Robert, Robert, how it's so funny, man, I want no risk. I want 7 % returns and I want to make sure I keep all my money. Uh, okay, cool. Let me know where to find that. How do I do that? Right. It's like, no, that's not any, like that is a scam. If someone says you can get 7 % with little to no risk and modest income, like run the other way. Cause it's not real. So Adair, I'm not being me and I'm just setting expectations.
33:01Robert Croak:The stock market adjusted for inflation has returned about 8 % to 9 % over the last 90 years. And that's an average. Some years it's up a whole lot, some years it's down a whole lot, and it comes with a ton of risk, right? But that's the average. And that is really close to your expectation of 7 % annual return. If you want a risk-free return, you put all 50 ,000 of this into a high yield savings account. You go earn three, maybe three and a half percent on that money, or maybe you buy some municipal bonds or something else of that nature that allows you to earn three, three and a half, four percent, depending on the strategy.
33:39Robert Croak:That is real. You can earn low single digits risk-free right now with treasury bills and bonds and things like that. When you now start talking about mid to mid to high single digits, like seven percent, you got to take on risk to earn 7%. That's not just a walk in the park. That is, volatility comes with that for sure. It's really hard to give you any advice here because I'm not a financial advisor. This is not financial advice. I'm not going to tell you where to put$50 ,000 of your 82-year-old mother-in-law's money, but I do want to help you set expectations and understand, one, it's very hard to consistently for five years in a row deliver 7 % returns that preserve capital without high risk.
34:20Robert Croak:That's hard. The next thing I want you to understand is you are in a situation where the time horizon is very short. If this was a 10, 15, 20 year time horizon and you could ride the wave, then yeah, just park it in the S &P 500 and get that 7, 8, 9, 10, 12 % return average over that period of time with the ups and downs that come with the stock market. If I were in your shoes, I would probably put half the money in a high yield savings account earning 3 to 4%. The other half, I would likely park into the NEOS hedged equity ETF that is, let's call it SPYH or QQQH. Or there's another ETF called HEDG that I'm still learning more about, but I think it also might be something you should learn about as well.
35:11Robert Croak:It appreciates with upside in the stock market while also being less volatile than bonds. So there's a couple ETFs out there to choose from, but a lot of them are not going to like a 7 % return here is very, very hard to achieve with, I think, the lack of volatility you're looking for.
35:28Austin Hankwitz:I think it's a great takeaway. And the only thing I would add is maybe you look at a blend of VOO, S-C-H-D and maybe VTV, which is a little bit more stable, you know, for some of the companies that have had longer stable returns over the last 10 years. But because it's a five-year window, you're asking us to give you actionable advice based on a five-year window. And we don't know where that five-year window falls into that 50, 60, 70-year time horizon of those average returns of 8 % or 9 % that Austin was talking about. So that's very, very difficult. But if you looked at SCHD, you'd get some decent dividends from high-quality companies.
36:10Austin Hankwitz:If you did VOO, you'd be betting on the U.S. stock market, which I bet on every single year. And then if you did VTV or something else of that nature, you could be betting on a different portion of some of these companies that aren't the big high flyers but are still pretty stable. But it's really tough in such a short window with an expectation of 7 % or greater. So also look at high yield savings. Maybe look at treasury bills. There are some other things you can add in there. They're going to not give you 7 % by any stretch of the imagination, but they are going to give you low risk and high stability.
36:46Robert Croak:And I also think it's important to make sure we're all on the same page about the task you're asking. You're trying to generate an extra$292 a month of income for your mother-in-law. $292. Well, when you zoom out, that doesn't seem like that much money, right? Maybe there's something that your fingers crossed, healthy 82-year-old mother-in-law can do that would help her, that would help supplement income like the$292 a month that she's looking for that's not putting$50 ,000 in the markets that could go down by 10 or 12 or 28 % like it did in 2022. I think there's more solutions than just investing the money if the problem is to generate$3 ,500 a year.
37:29Robert Croak:Everybody, thanks so much for joining us on this week's episode of the Rich Habits podcast. We are super appreciative that tens of thousands of you come back every single week to listen to the show. We've got nearly a thousand people now inside the Rich Habits network. Nearly 60 ,000 of you have subscribed to the Rich Habits newsletter, and we cannot be more grateful. Please have yourself an awesome week, and we will see you on Thursday for our Q &A episode.
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