More Market Predictions, Tesla Kills Their Model X & S Vehicles & Amazon's AI-Induced Layoffs

30 Jan 2026 · 36 min · 12 chapters

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Podcast Overview Title: Rich Habits Podcast Description: A financial literacy podcast that empowers listeners to take control of their money through new habits. Hosts Robert Croak, a seasoned entrepreneur, and Austin Hankwitz, a young entrepreneur, share insights into the financial habits of the wealthy, along with personal experiences and strategies for financial success.

Episode Details Episode Title: More Market Predictions, Tesla Kills Their Model X & S Vehicles & Amazon's AI-Induced Layoffs Episode Description: In this episode, hosts Robert Croak and Austin Hankwitz discuss current market predictions with guest Katie Stockton, CMT, and delve into significant corporate developments affecting the economy.

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Key Topics and Discussions

  1. Market Predictions
  2. Guest: Katie Stockton, founder of Fairlead Strategies.
  3. Focus: Technical analysis and market predictions for 2026.
  4. Key Insight: The importance of sector rotation, particularly in small-cap stocks, emphasizing the Russell 2000 index's performance.
  1. Corporate Developments

A. Meta and Corning Partnership

  • Details:
  • Meta's $6 billion deal with Corning for fiber optic cables to enhance data center operations.
  • Corning will expand manufacturing in North Carolina, creating new jobs.
  • Takeaway: The growing demand for data centers signifies a robust market opportunity.

B. Amazon and Dow Chemical Layoffs

  • Details:
  • Amazon announced layoffs of 30,000 employees due to AI automation.
  • Dow Chemical is cutting 4,500 jobs to improve productivity.
  • Takeaway: As companies adopt AI to improve efficiency, there may be a significant shift in job markets and necessary skills for the workforce.

C. Tesla Discontinues Model S and X

  • Details:
  • Tesla to halt production of Model S and X to focus on manufacturing Optimus robots.
  • Elon Musk's vision includes producing 1 million units per year, emphasizing recurring revenue opportunities.
  • Takeaway: Tesla's pivot indicates a strategic shift towards long-term growth in robotics and AI-driven solutions.
  1. Economic Indicators
  2. The Federal Reserve's decision to hold interest rates steady.
  3. The S&P 500 reaches a new high.
  4. Overview of external factors influencing market volatility, including geopolitical tensions and earnings reports.
  1. Commodity Insights
  2. Gold and Precious Metals: Sustained bullish outlook, with momentum indicators supporting ongoing investment.
  3. Crude Oil: Signs of a potential uptrend, with a focus on energy sector stocks.
  1. Emerging Markets
  2. Insight on EEM ETF: Expected growth due to favorable conditions such as a weakening US dollar and rising commodities.
  3. Discussion on the potential recovery in Chinese markets and its impact on the broader emerging markets' performance.

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Key Takeaways

  • Sector Rotation is essential for investment strategies, notably small-cap stocks gaining attention.
  • AI's Impact on the job market cannot be ignored; future workforce training should emphasize skills resilient to automation.
  • Tesla's Shift to robotics may offer significant long-term returns and showcases a transformative approach in their business model.
  • Precious Metals and Commodities present potential growth opportunities amidst market fluctuations.
  • Emerging Markets are poised for recovery, particularly as global economic conditions evolve.

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Closing Notes

  • Engage with the Rich Habits Network for further insights and discussions.
  • Feedback is encouraged to tailor future episodes to listener needs.
  • Upcoming episodes to focus on navigating current market trends effectively.

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Resources:

  • [Fairlead Strategies](https://www.fairleadstrategies.com/about)
  • [Follow Katie Stockton on X](https://x.com/StocktonKatie)
  • Episode's financial planner and budgeting templates available for free download.

Final Remarks: This episode offers valuable perspectives on current economic conditions, corporate strategies, and investment opportunities, emphasizing the need for adaptability in financial planning.

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Meta's $6 Billion Deal with Corning

0:45 to 2:56

Discussion on Meta's deal to buy fiber optic cables and its implications.

“about how Southwest plans to quadruple their profits in 2026.”

Amazon and Dow Chemical Layoffs

2:56 to 5:19

Analysis of job cuts at Amazon and Dow Chemical due to AI efficiencies.

“Amazon said earlier this week they're cutting 16 ,000 corporate white collar jobs on top of the 14 ,000 jobs they cut back in October.”

Tesla Discontinues Model S and X

5:19 to 7:49

Insights on Tesla's shift from vehicle manufacturing to robot production.

“So, Robert, this brings us to our last story, which I think is the most interesting one, which is Tesla discontinuing their Model S and X vehicles.”

Interview with Katie Stockton

8:42 to 14:03

Discussion with Katie Stockton on market predictions and sector rotations.

“And that is exactly what we are experiencing today in 2026.”

Market Indicators and Precious Metals

14:03 to 14:39

Learn about market indicators that signal potential downturns in precious metals like gold and copper.

“And for us, that could mean something like an indicator, an overbought, oversold indicator, flashing a sell signal, and then maybe a little downtake.”

Understanding the TAC ETF

14:40 to 16:55

Explore how the TAC ETF sector rotation fund operates and its strategies for investing in S&P 500 sectors.

“And once we see some real deterioration and indicators, that would warrant some reduction in exposure or taking profits for most people.”

Technical Analysis in Sector Rotation

16:56 to 19:56

Discover how technical analysis informs the TAC ETF's investment decisions and sector rotation.

“And it's been more a function of the weaker equity tape at different times.”

Emerging Opportunities in Commodities

19:57 to 22:29

Gain insights into potential investment opportunities in energy commodities and market trends.

“And before we move on, I want to click back just one more time.”

The Outlook for Emerging Markets

22:30 to 28:08

Analyze the potential for emerging markets and their performance in the context of global economic shifts.

“So that's a great takeaway from where I'm at in commodities and looking for other opportunities.”

Market Predictions and China's Recovery

28:08 to 29:10

The discussion focuses on the potential recovery of China's market and its implications for broader emerging markets.

“And we think it's because we have signs of downside exhaustion in the ratio, that would suggest the down move or phase of underperformance is overdone.”
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Federal Reserve and Airline Profit Insights

29:32 to 31:40

The segment discusses the Federal Reserve's interest rate decisions and Southwest Airlines' profit growth due to new fee structures.

“So my first one is the fact that the Federal Reserve held interest rates steady, right?”

Emerging Trends: Robo-Vans, Space Tourism, and Market Volatility

31:40 to 34:28

Exploring Alibaba's new venture, space tourism growth, and current market volatility while giving investment advice.

“Technology companies and startups are really competing for a share of the multi-billion dollar market for robo-taxis, buses and other autonomous vehicles, specifically in China.”
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0:00Robert Croak:Public.com presents the Rich Habits Radar, a new Friday episode of the Rich Habits Podcast, where every Friday morning we're coming at you with the biggest headlines impacting you and your money. My name is Austin Hankwitz. I'm joined by my co-host Robert Croak in the three things sitting at the top of our Rich Habits Radar this week include meta entering into a$6 billion deal with Corning for some fiber optic cables, Amazon and Dow Chemical to lay off tens of thousands of employees because of AI and Tesla discontinuing their Model S and X vehicles. We also have an awesome interview with Katie Stockton, a regular on CNBC.

0:40Robert Croak:She's gracing us with her presence for this episode. So be sure to stick around for that as well as to the end where we talk a little bit more about how Southwest plans to quadruple their profits in 2026. Spoiler alert, it's because you're now paying to pick your seat when you fly Southwest. Robert, let's dig into our first story.

0:59Austin Hankwitz:That's right. The big headline this week, and I've been talking about it because it's from a Toledo company, Meta's$6 billion deal with Corning. Earlier this week, Meta struck a multi-billion dollar deal to buy fiber optic cables from Corning. This was, of course, done in efforts to build and scale Meta's data center network for their AI. Corning will supply Meta with their newest generation of optical fiber cable and connectivity hardware, specifically from U.S.-based companies.

1:29Robert Croak:Yeah, to meet this demand, Corning is planning to expand their manufacturing capacity in North Carolina, including a scale-up at their facility in Hickory. The partnership will boost their employment in the state by 20%, adding more than 5 ,000 new skilled workers to the mix.

1:46Austin Hankwitz:And according to the Corning earnings call that took place this week, the company is working on similar long-term agreements with other major customers. They're essentially taking the same approach they did with Apple for their iPhones and Apple Watch, the glass screens in Kentucky, and implementing it with their fiber optic for data centers, which is a very smart move. So, Austin, what does this mean for you and your money?

2:09Robert Croak:Yeah, so for everyone listening right now, this is a great example of picks in shovels as it relates to the rise of the data center. There's a lot of components that go into data centers and cornings fiber optic cables make up a large chunk of that share. As more and more data centers get built, more fiber optic will be needed. However, we all know the real bottleneck for these data centers aren't fiber optic or copper cables or anything like that. It's the energy powering these data centers, which is why we've seen bloom energy stock just skyrocket lately. And that trend will likely continue up and to the right for years to come.

2:45Austin Hankwitz:Yeah, 100 percent. We've been talking about energy for a while now and the importance of it as we continue to grow this data center sector. So I think that's a great call out on Bloom.

2:55Robert Croak:So let's jump to our second point today, which is Amazon and Dow Chemical laying off 20 ,000 employees because of artificial intelligence. Amazon said earlier this week they're cutting 16 ,000 corporate white collar jobs on top of the 14 ,000 jobs they cut back in October. For those of you trying to do the math, that's 30 ,000 jobs gone in the matter of three or four months here because of AI. Amazon CEO Andy Jassy shared in a company memo back in 2024, I believe, and the quote is, Generative AI is a once-in-a-lifetime technological change that is already altering how Amazon deals with consumers and other businesses and how it conducts its own operations.

3:42Robert Croak:I think that's a lot of corporate speak for y 'all getting laid off. AI is taking your job.

3:47Austin Hankwitz:Yeah, Austin, not just Amazon, but Dow Chemical as well. They announced they're cutting 4 ,500 employees as part of this cost-saving program that will lean in on artificial intelligence to increase productivity and bolster shareholder returns.

4:03Robert Croak:Yeah, I saw that Dow said they're embarking on a program called Transform to Outperform, which would deploy AI and automation to reduce expenses and catalyze growth and productivity to the tune of$2 billion of adjusted EBITDA every single year. So, Robert, what does this mean for you and your money?

4:21Austin Hankwitz:It means that as these major corporations become more and more efficient with AI, we expect to see more layoffs in the near future. And if you haven't already started training in AI and learned those specific skill sets, you need to get after it. Tactically speaking, these companies will become more profitable because of these efficiencies. So don't take a blind eye to their stocks as well. Even though you might be a little, you know, mad because they're doing these layoffs, it doesn't mean the stocks might not be a great thing to look at. And if your children, your nieces or nephews or anyone you care about is entering college right now and not sure where to study or what to do, physical labor jobs like nursing, electricians, plumbers, engineers are what they should focus on.

5:05Austin Hankwitz:Because we want to make sure by the time those 18-year-olds are 28 and blooming in their careers, they don't have one of these AIs taking their jobs because a vast majority of white-collar jobs will disappear in the next 5 to 10 years.

5:19Robert Croak:So, Robert, this brings us to our last story, which I think is the most interesting one, which is Tesla discontinuing their Model S and X vehicles. During the company's earnings call earlier this week, Elon Musk announced Tesla will no longer manufacture Model S or Model X vehicles, but instead use that factory space in California to begin manufacturing their Optimus robots. Elon's quote is this. It's time to basically bring the Model S and X programs to an end with an honorable discharge. We expect to wind down S and X production next quarter and convert that into an Optimus factory with the long-term goal of having 1 million units a year of Optimus robots in the current S and X space in Fremont, California.

6:06Robert Croak:This came after the company's EV sales fell by 16 % year over year, selling only 1.7 million vehicles during the last quarter of 2025.

6:15Austin Hankwitz:Interestingly enough, subscriptions of the company's full self-driving software increased by 38 % to 1.1 million people. This says a lot about where the company is focusing, as Musk stated that the company still plans to start the production of CyberCab, a fully autonomous two-seater with no steering wheel and no pedals. And there's already about 500 of them operating in the streets of Austin, Texas, as we speak. So, Austin, this is some crazy news. We've been talking about autonomous robots and humanoid robots and all of this for quite some time. What does this mean for you and your money?

6:51Robert Croak:I think this is a genius move by Elon because on one side, you can sell a electric vehicle for a flat fee with mid-teen margins attached to it. And you take that money one time, right? Whereas with a humanoid robot or something of that likes with Optimus, you see similar margins, call it mid-teens, maybe 20%, 30 % depending on demand. But you're able to charge an annual recurring fee to operate it. So at scale, talking about the million robots per year that are out and about now, this could be the tune of tens of billions of dollars more per year to Tesla's bottom line if they were able to successfully pull this off.

7:31Austin Hankwitz:So my takeaway is this. We remain bullish on Tesla long term because Elon's idea of one million Optimus units a year is very hard. But if someone is going to achieve that goal, we think the guy that builds rockets is the most likely candidate to pull it off. So we'll see where the numbers fall in the future. But we still remain bullish on Tesla.

7:53Robert Croak:As you guys might tell, I've got a different camera going on right now, maybe a little different microphone as well. I lost power and I keep losing power. Winter storm here in Nashville is kicking my butt. So we're going to actually just skip over a little bit of the ETF Central call out. Of course, go check out ETF Central, but we won't be able to share our screens and do the cool images and stuff and all the things we talk about on a weekly basis. But ETFcentral.com is an incredible place to go check out if you want to learn more about ETFs in general, themes, sectors, flows, shows performance everything as it relates to etfs go check out etfcentral.com major shout out to etfcentral and the new york stock exchange for powering and sponsoring the show 100 we love etf

8:36Austin Hankwitz:central and you really should go to the website poke around learn more they have a lot of cool things going on there and we appreciate them being a longtime sponsor of the show so let's get into

8:47Robert Croak:it as we alluded to earlier in this episode we are joined by katie stockton katie stockton is the founder and managing partner of Fairlead Strategies, an independent research firm and registered investment advisor. Fairlead specializes in technical analysis and disciplined rules-based investment strategies, including the Fairlead Tactical Sector ETF, T-A-C-K, which applies sector rotation and asset allocation techniques to help investors navigate evolving market conditions. And that is exactly what we are experiencing today in 2026. So Katie, welcome to the Rich Habits Radar. Thank you, Austin.

9:26It's good to be back with you guys.

9:28Robert Croak:We are super, super grateful. I think it's funny I showed you that I was going to, was it Fort Lauderdale? And I landed in the airport and on CNBC, right then and there at the airport was Katie Stockton doing her thing. And I had to take a photo and put it on X and all that stuff. You're all over the place, Katie. So we're grateful to have you here on the show. And I appreciate that. So we just shared our 2026 market predictions episode, like maybe three or four weeks ago now. And as part of that episode, we were talking about how we're going to see a little bit of sector rotation into small cap stocks, right?

10:02Robert Croak:Earnings, we're seeing some quasi quantitative easing. We're seeing the Fed cut interest rates, like an easing cycle there, right? So we thought that small caps would benefit in 2026, specifically the Russell 2000. So what is your take on that Russell 2000 prediction we shared? Well, I think it was very prussian. You guys presented it a few weeks ago, you said. So kudos to that very good call that you had. I mean, we've seen that really manifest itself in the market year to date in 2026. It's become very obvious now to everyone that there is a very significant rotation that's been underway. It became somewhat evident in Q4 when we saw the loss of relative strength behind large cap technology.

10:45When that happens, it occurs to the benefit of just about everything else because tech obviously has the biggest footprint in the S &P 500. When it underperforms, you start to see other sectors have their opportunity to outperform and also other segments of the markets like small cap. So we really saw that from the Russell 2000 index. And in December, it broke out from what we call a long-term cup and handle formation. And we have a chart to show it. It looks essentially like a big rounded basing phase followed by a shallow version of the same and then a breakout, in this case, to new all-time highs above what was a pretty significant resistance level.

11:27That breakout is something that serves as kind of a technical action item. When you see resistance removed from a chart that's a bullish development, typically, it doesn't mean you always see immediate upside. But when you do, it's an even stronger breakout. And that's, of course, what we've seen from the Russell 2000. So I would concur that there has been meaningful rotation and that it is something maybe not as explosively as in January, but beyond, you know, this month that we could see as more of a theme for 2026.

11:58Robert Croak:Yeah, and I think, too, what's really important people understand when it comes to some of the small cap stuff we're talking about, despite some crazy small cap performance with specific names, right? When I say small cap, I think like sub$2 billion in market cap. We saw some craziness happen in 2025. If it's biotech, if it's, you know, some quantum computing names, like there's a lot of small cap stuff that was happening last year. We're specifically talking about the Russell 2000, the index, right? which I just want to be clear here. That is the index, not these specific names. So like there could be specifics, names that don't do well at all in 2026, but still be considered a small cap.

12:34Robert Croak:But we're specifically talking about the entirety, right, of small caps in general with the Russell 2000. So I just want to make sure that's really, really clear to our audience here. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. From a bottom-up perspective, they can look very, very different. They certainly can.

12:49Austin Hankwitz:For sure. I am so excited because I've been beating the table for a few years now, telling people to diversify in precious metals. And we've seen a historic run up in the last, let's call it 12, 14 months with gold, silver, and now copper as well. How are you thinking about this price action? And is it sustainable in 2026? I would say it's probably the most common question that I'm getting these days. And it wasn't really the case six months ago. We've been pretty constructive on gold, though, over the long term. We've owned it in our ETF for more than a year now. And we feel that it's just a bull cycle.

13:26And it's been very persistent. It's had the support of positive momentum. And for now, it's right across all timeframes, right? Short term metrics, intermediate term metrics, long term metrics, all still point higher. But naturally, with the steepness of the rally that we've seen in gold, silver, especially, people are wondering, is this overdone? And when you have that steep kind of up move, it's tough because you're not really well served to wait for a breakdown to sell, which a breakdown is always a risk metric that we watch. So rather, we have to use other tools to understand when it's time to reduce.

14:03And for us, that could mean something like an indicator, an overbought, oversold indicator, flashing a sell signal, and then maybe a little downtake. Today, I think we actually have an outside down day in gold. That means when you have a wide swing, high to low spread for the day, and then it closes lower, that's sometimes a short-term setback. Things of that nature that would serve as weight of the evidence that it's done going up. But we just don't have that yet, not on a collective basis within precious metals and extend that to base metals as well, like copper. So we feel we want to hold these uptrends while they're still working.

14:40And once we see some real deterioration and indicators, that would warrant some reduction in exposure or taking profits for most people. For copper, it's a newer breakout than we've had in gold or silver. So when you have a breakout, that serves as a positive catalyst. So perhaps copper is a bit more interesting as one to add to.

15:02Robert Croak:And Katie, this is probably a good time to mention, you mentioned the TAC ETF. It's been around for years. Actually, it was one of the first cool ETFs that I've really gotten a part of. I mean, we started talking about it back in 2022. I think it was maybe 2023. But regardless, with the TAC ETF, you mentioned how you've had gold in there for the last 12 or 18 months. Can you maybe explain a little bit how the TAC ETF works and how you are picking and choosing what sectors of the S &P that you are adding or subtracting to the ETF? I got it shared up on screen here so the audience can take a look.

15:33Great. Thanks, Austin. Yeah. So at its essence, It's a sector rotation fund investing in the S &P 500 economic sectors. And we have sort of a pie that's broken into eight equal weight pieces. And we will ideally in a very strong tape have all of those pieces of the pie in various sectors, the sectors that have the best momentum and the best relative performance versus the broader market. When the tape weakens like it did do in Q4, we will see some kind of shift. And it's a very dynamic fund. It sort of puts the active and the active ETF theme there. It's very dynamic reacting to long-term momentum inputs.

16:14And we did see a position or two on the sector front get kicked out. And when that happens, we will replace it with a combination of asset classes that we feel are usually doing better than the equity market in a weaker equity market environment. And that, of course, includes gold. So we've defaulted into a gold position that's been pretty substantial, around 8%, 9 % of the fund at various times. And with that, we've been able to benefit from something that we considered almost a safe haven input. And historically, it has certainly acted that way, but incredibly additive to the portfolio in 2025.

16:54So we're very glad to have held it as long as we have had. And it's been more a function of the weaker equity tape at different times. But that defaulted position has worked really very well for us. We also use short-term treasuries and long-term treasuries for that other alternative exposure. Now, with the equal weight sector strategy, that's sort of an environmental strategy that would do well, in my opinion, in a year like we've seen start, right, in 2026. So the start of 2026 has been beneficial to equal weight strategies like TAC because you've seen that tech sector underperformance. And now, of course, we have earnings.

17:35So it's getting a little mishmash in here. But that has allowed other sectors and other market cap sort of categories emerge as relative performers. So that means that equal weight strategies might, in general, be more interesting in 2026, unless you feel like we're going to see yet another passive cycle year that favors the mega caps. But what I've noticed is that in the mega cap complex, it doesn't seem to me like they're being treated as a group anymore, but rather as individual companies, which is probably how it should be. You know, I think today or, you know, with earnings having hit the tape from the likes of Meta and Microsoft, and they are acting totally oppositely in their response, that does show that there's dispersion that really just wasn't there for a long time.

18:22So I think that's in a way healthy and certainly reflects a different kind of tape than we had in much of 25 and 24.

18:29Robert Croak:I completely agree with you. And just to make sure we're on the same page for everyone listening, how the TAC ETF works is using price action, moving averages. You had mentioned sort of these like buy and sell signals. You're a CMT. So like, this is what you do. You are a technical analysis wizard is what I like to call you. So you do this stuff. You're very, very good at it. And what you're saying is every single sector of the S &P, if it's doing well, you add it to the TAC ETF. If it's not doing well, you take it out of the TAC ETF. And so it's like always kind of being in a position where this ETF is invested in the things that are doing well as sectors of the S &P and not as sectors that aren't, right?

19:06Robert Croak:So like during times of economic prosperity, healthcare, historically speaking, right, does not do well, where during times of economic turmoil, healthcare does do well. And you're looking over here, okay, we've got some healthcare and the tax. We're looking at that, right? That's a new ad. And so healthcare having been added recently is a testament to our conversation and that it's a changed environment of late. And we actually expect a couple of sectors that haven't been represented recently to surface soon in tax. So we're really seeing some sector rotation in the charts, which is what we use as our primary discipline.

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19:41We're using technical analysis, which is a study of price trends. We're looking at momentum indicators, overbought, oversold metrics, and relative strength inputs to try to understand the markets and to navigate them. And we're doing it in a systematic fashion. So rather than using discretion in our opinions, we're saying, well, okay, if this indicator changes, we want to change with it. And that's indeed what TAC does.

20:04Robert Croak:I love that.

20:05Austin Hankwitz:Yeah, that was a great breakdown. And before we move on, I want to click back just one more time. Are there any other commodities that you like and see for 2026 and beyond? Because we're all talking about gold, silver, copper, a little palladium, a little aluminum, maybe some potash. What else is out there that we're not talking about that we should be keeping an eye on and sharing with our audience? Well, I think for those that have a little fatigue around the metals complex, that we will see more strength from other areas within the broader commodity sort of arena. We've had a basing phase completed by one of the broad ETF proxies that we use to represent commodities as a whole.

20:47And so it feels to us like we could be in the midst of a bull cycle, an early stage bull cycle for commodities. Of course, gold may not be early stage, but it's there to participate, at least for now. And I would highlight energy commodities primarily as standing out to us as having some upside. Maybe some of the greens could unfold as well as momentum sources, but they're not quite there yet. But crude oil is very interesting to us in that it's advanced from its lows after a successful test of support. There was support for WTI futures around$55 per barrel. And we've seen this relief rally that took it above the 200-day moving average, which is a widely watched gauge of resistance or maybe potential selling pressure on a chart.

21:34Clearing that sometimes acts as a positive catalyst. It gets on the radar of folks that might not have paid attention to it. Seeing the 200-day moving average is a gauge of the primary trend. But now that crude oil is above it, we sense that it will get on people's radars just from a trend-falling perspective. And it allows for an upside objective, at least preliminarily, of about$68 per barrel per the next resistance level that we track. So we're really intrigued by that turnaround that appears to be underway for crude oil, for one.

22:08Austin Hankwitz:I really appreciate that take just because I want to make sure, not just for myself, but our listeners and our audience, that we don't miss anything. You know, our goal here is to always provide updated information, make sure everyone is prepared for the markets. Austin says it all the time, and I really like this statement. If we aren't preparing you for the markets and you're surprised by anything, we're not doing a good enough job. So that's a great takeaway from where I'm at in commodities and looking for other opportunities.

22:36Robert Croak:Maybe, Katie, would love to get your perspective. You've shared with us the XLE monthly chart here. I've got it pulled up on screen. Help us decipher what we're looking at. Well, it seems like we're not the only ones that have been anticipating a relief rally in crude oil. When crude oil rallies, it tends to occur to the benefit of a lot of energy companies, right? The drillers and the refiners tend to benefit oftentimes from rising energy commodity prices. And we could even at this point throw natural gas in the mix, just given the spike up on the recent cold snap. But with crude oil carrying over to these individual stocks and their sentiment, we have a breakout in this energy sector spider ETF.

23:19The XLE ETF is representative of the S &P 500 energy complex, and it's been range bound for a really long time. So that trading range can be really frustrating to a lot of people. So and it's been years, three years or so now that it's been range bound. And then just recently, we saw an advance from that trading range, and it's cleared resistance or is testing some longer-term resistance on the chart and looks poised to get through that level. So we also are encouraged by the action here. The breakouts, as mentioned, do act as positive catalysts typically, and this would be a long-term breakout, potentially with longer-term implications.

24:01I'd make a side note on the energy sector is that it sometimes has a mind of its own. It's a very small piece of the S &P 500, but it can have, you know, relative performance that really shines in any kind of environment. So I would highlight 2022 to that end. We only owned energy for some time because it was the only sector that was working from a technical perspective. It was really the only sector that was exhibiting upside momentum for much of 2022. So it can have a mind of its own because it's related to things that are perhaps a little bit more external to the S &P 500. So we like it in a way for that, I guess, diversification that it can provide on the sector front.

24:49Robert Croak:Amazing. I appreciate that breakdown. Let's wrap this up with our final question for you here, Katie, which is another hunch we have for 2026. Emerging markets, we think with the weakness of the U.S. dollar, the rise of commodities, things like that, the emerging markets ETF, let's call it EEM, or just emerging markets in general, right, are going to become more and more strengthened. They're going to trend up into the right here in 2026. What's your perspective on what the emerging markets are shaping up as right now? Well, I think you guys are on to another good theme, and it's really manifested itself year to date as well in the charts in that the EEM ETF, which represents the space, has accelerated to new highs, a very steep uptrend.

25:35And with that, we've seen outperformance versus the S &P 500. We've seen some relative performance also shift towards developed global versus the U.S. too. So it's not just emerging markets, although it's a bit more obvious there, perhaps. So we're encouraged by the relative strength shift from, I guess, U.S. to international as something that could lend itself to sort of diversification in portfolios, meaning that you can build some international exposure, that it won't necessarily be as important to have that U.S. large cap core mega cap tech exposure, and you'll have an opportunity to benefit from some trends elsewhere.

26:16And that EEM ratio looks like a long-term turnaround. It doesn't mean there won't be volatility from a short to intermediate term perspective, but we think that it's a meaningful turnaround when referencing things like the moving averages and their slope. So I think you're onto something with that theme. And it's always interesting to break down the emerging markets to the individual countries that comprise these broad benchmarks like EEM. And we've had leadership from the likes of Brazil recently, Taiwan, Korea. And then there are some areas that have underperformed. India stands out, but also China.

26:53China, we almost can't separate from emerging markets. It's got the biggest footprint. And it's pretty remarkable to see the EEM ETF do as well without leadership to the upside from China. What we showed recently in our latest research was a comparison of a China benchmark, this MCHI ETF, versus the broader EEM benchmark. So we wanted to see how China was doing relative to broader EM. And you can see this massive downdraft or phase of underperformance. And it's something that we think will culminate here in the near term. So not only constructive on emerging markets, and that would be intermediate to long term, but even in the near term, we're expecting the downside momentum in relative terms behind China to alleviate and perhaps even give another bit of a boost to the broader emerging markets complex as we regain or see China regain leadership.

27:54Robert Croak:Interesting. So you think that you're looking at MS, I'm sorry, MCHI kind of Chinese stock market type stuff, and it's been underperforming relative to the EEM ETF, which is the emerging markets in general. You think that the China side of it will see some relief in the near term? That's right. And we think it's because we have signs of downside exhaustion in the ratio, that would suggest the down move or phase of underperformance is overdone. So if we have China kick back in here in sort of a catch up trade relative to broader EM, that's something that can help sustain that bull cycle for EM in general.

28:34And we've also seen China Tech, you can look at a KWEB ETF, KWEB to that end, has seemingly advanced from a corrective phase of its own. So we're starting to see better momentum behind some of the China proxies. And we find that encouraging.

28:52Robert Croak:What an incredible breakdown by our favorite technical analysis wizard, Miss Katie Stockton. Thank you so much for joining us. And we're looking forward to hanging out with you in New York City next week. Same here. It's going to be great. You too, Robert.

29:06Austin Hankwitz:Yes. Great job today. We always love having you on the show. Thank you.

29:10Robert Croak:So for everyone that wants to learn more about what Katie's up to, please go click the link in the show notes below to learn more about Fairlead Strategies. Please learn more about TAC, T-A-C-K, their incredible ETF. And follow Katie on X. We'll have all that linked out in the show notes below.

29:26Austin Hankwitz:All right, Robert.

29:27Robert Croak:This is now our own call outs. I've got three. You've got three. Let's kick them off. So my first one is the fact that the Federal Reserve held interest rates steady, right? They didn't cut, they didn't raise, they didn't do nothing, just hanging steady for the first time since July. That's six months. Six months, Robert. So despite Trump's efforts to criminally investigate Jerome Powell, the purple tie wherein fell at it and cut interest rates this month. This decision was approved by a 10 to 2 vote. Jerome said that recent economic data painted a brighter picture that officials had at their last meeting with strong growth and tentative signs of labor market stabilization.

30:04Robert Croak:At time of recording, Polymarket is pricing in two to three rate cuts in 2026. So we'll see when those take place. The next call that I've got to share is Southwest quadrupling their profits in 2026. The company that's been known for you can't pick your seat, you just kind of go and order and just sit where you can, is now charging for seats and checked bags, which we've known about. But what we didn't learn until yesterday is that it's actually working. For context, Delta profited about$4 billion in 2025. United Airlines profited about$3.5 billion. But Southwest only had half a billion dollars in profits for 2025.

30:43Robert Croak:But that now has changed because according to their COO, the extra fee revenue derived from seat selection fees falls straight to the bottom line. The stock of the company is up 20 % today because that straight to the bottom line actually means an extra$2 billion for 2026. So next time you fly Southwest and you pay$112 to select your seat, just know that you are also contributing to that$2 billion. Thumbs up. Not really. All right. So my final call out is Alibaba teaming up with Zelos on a$2 billion robovan business. Alibaba's logistics arm is merging its autonomous driving unit with a Chinese robovan company called Zelos, spinning up and creating a new business valued at$2 billion.

31:31Robert Croak:The new entity will be ran by Zelos and comes at a time of heightened competition in China's autonomous driving industry. Now, here's the kicker, Robert. Technology companies and startups are really competing for a share of the multi-billion dollar market for robo-taxis, buses and other autonomous vehicles, specifically in China. According to McIntyre, they've estimated that by 2035, robo-taxis could account for 45 % of shared mobility rides in China, representing a$70 billion market. that's one in two rides that are you know shared in china right one of two like ride share is through a robotaxi in just nine years from now i really like those call outs and it's kind of

32:19Austin Hankwitz:funny about southwest because that's the thing i like the most about them is because when i get on these flights if i have to take a southwest flight that i can just pick a seat get one near somebody that i want to sit by up front usually so charging for it i don't know if it'll make it better or worse, but I'm excited to see how that works out. So let's get into my three radar points today. I'm going to start off one that I think is funny, and we've been very fortunate in the Rich Habits Network to get way ahead of this trend, and that is space tourism and technology is seeing a huge boost. With a highly anticipated SpaceX IPO, as well as increased investment spending in space tourism, technology, and infrastructure, I believe that stocks like Rocket Lab and ASTS Space Mobile will lead the way in this highly touted secular growth trend.

33:06Austin Hankwitz:For the United States to lead the way in data center growth, we definitely need a lot more energy, and data centers in space may sound like this dystopian sentiment, but could be the answers that we need to dominate AI and data centers in the future. My second radar point today is the S &P 500 top 7 ,000 for the first time. And although we still see a bumpy road in the markets as we film this episode, the S &P did hit a new all-time high above 7 ,000, which is a great milestone driven by continued optimism in tech, small caps, and broader markets. And my third point today, as everyone has seen in the last couple of days, is that markets are dumping and Bitcoin fell below 83 ,000.

33:53Austin Hankwitz:I think this is all part of a broader fear due to geopolitical tensions, earnings disappointments, and no rate cuts by the Fed. Do I think this is a long-term bearish sign? No. I just think there's so much fear and hostility in the headlines right now that I think it's hard for people to see a clear path on where the markets are going. So maybe it's time to reallocate some of your portfolio away from crypto and big tech and find stability elsewhere. Think small caps, precious metals, energy, and some of these other, maybe a little less volatile sectors right now.

34:28Robert Croak:Yeah, we've been talking about cryptocurrency for a while. And one of our predictions for 2025 was that the cryptocurrency market, specifically Bitcoin, would experience a top. I believe we called that correctly. I believe the top is in. It was 127 ,000. Now we're at 84 ,000, which is about 32 % off that high. I think Bitcoin could go closer to 40, 50, 60 ,000. I think Ethereum could go sub 2000. So just set expectations. If you're a long-term cryptocurrency investor, just know you're in for a wild ride during 2026 and perhaps 2027.

35:05Austin Hankwitz:Talk about wild ride. This episode definitely defines that. Austin is without power. He's got a snowstorm going on, all kinds of crazy internet issues, but we got through it and what a great episode.

35:16Robert Croak:Everybody can to give us the feedback because we want these episodes, these Friday headline-based news timely episodes to be as valuable for you as possible as it relates to navigating the markets in real time. If you've not yet joined the Rich Habits Network, please consider doing so. And with that being said, we will see you on Monday.

35:49Thank you.

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