Jeffrey Archer

0:00Salut les copains, salut les copines, c 'est moi Giles Brandwet avec le bouton de rose, rose bad, rose bad Sous-titrage ST' 501 worldwide. Overall, I know his books have sold more than 320 million copies around the world. He is Geoffrey Archer. Now, Geoffrey Archer is probably the famous person I've known longest in my life. The reason being, and those who listen to the diary episodes of Rosebud will know about I went to an English prep school in the late 1950s, early 1960s. And at this prep school, when I was about 11, a young man, who was then about 20, I suppose, came and taught athletics, taught running at the prep school.

1:38And this was the young Geoffrey Archer. So I have known Geoffrey Archer since the beginning of the 1960s, which is more than 60 years. His life has been extraordinary. Some liken it to a novel He was a member of Parliament As a young member of Parliament The MP for Louth in the late 1960s But a financial scandal Which, well, you'll hear about it I'm sure in our conversation Left him nearly bankrupt He stepped down from Parliament He then began writing these novels That eventually made his fortune But he returned to politics He was the Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party In the 1980s et puis il resigned de l 'économie après un newspaper accusé de payer de la prostitution et il a donc won en 1987, un cas qui a été en plus large damages parce que le claim il a été fait en 1992 et il a été le premier de la première candidate à être en candidat pour la mayor de Londres il y a des reservations pour ça parce que je sais que pour exemple Sebastian Coe was approached about being a candidate then I was even approached, people said I'm not sure that we could have Geoffrey, is it a good idea to have Geoffrey, anyway Geoffrey was chosen and unfortunately it emerged after his candidacy had been announced that he had lied in the 1987 libel case and as a result of that in 2001 he was sentenced to four years of imprisonment for perjury and that ended his active little career et il a été released en 2003 donc un rollercoaster il a fait que il a eu l 'écrivait de la première fois et il a commencé à l 'écriver de novels encore des plus belles il a déjà écrit un nombre de plays je me souviens, je me souviens d 'un de ses plays j 'ai investi dans un lot de plays dans ma vie et le play I investi dans dans dans sa première ou second play je put 1 ,000 pounds dans le jeu et je suis pris 3 ,000 pounds back ça ne se fait souvent en la theatre donc il est un ami de mine et je l 'aime et il est fascinant et ses novels sont page turners vous pouvez prendre une en holiday ce summer si vous êtes, je sais que vous allez et je vous souhaite cette conversation avec Lord Archer de Weston-Super-Mare better known as Geoffrey Archer

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4:4621 miles, I can't even remember. And she allowed me to go on the Dodgem car. It's funny, it's stuck in my memory, the fun of going on a Dodgem car. Who was your grandmother? This is your mother's mother. My mother's mother. And who was she? A wicked woman. She was such fun and such a character. And when my dear grandfather died, who'd worked in Bristol on the docks et il a fait très bien dans un office dans le docks et il a sauvé 50 000 et il a fait 50 000 et je me rappelle mon mère disait Eileen, c 'est mon aunt, il va falloir 25 000 et je vais falloir 25 000 et je vais être très rich et ma mère a décidé de faire un tour et elle a eu die minus 500 nous avons eu payé 250 each pour clear le net Elle était une belle belle, une belle carrière.

5:46Qu 'est-ce qu 'elle a été? Elle. Elle était une belle carrière, je l 'ai aimé. Mon père et mon mère ont l 'air très fortement à l 'aider, mais je me suis en train de regarder et me suis en train de rire. Donc, elle a deux daughters et votre mère, qui était-ce qu 'elle a été? Lola. Lola. Et elle était une révolutionnaire. Elle était... Elle a une colonne en la local paper, le «Wesden Supermercury », Over the Teacups, which she wrote once a week. And she also worked in a hotel behind the counter. She also ran a small, tiny publication called What's On in Western. And of course, I grew to realise, because my father died when I was young, I grew to realise that she had to earn that amount of money to allow me to go to Wellington School in Somerset.

6:39And who was your father? My father was a printer But sadly died When I was only Nine, ten So I never really knew him Because Or at least I don't remember him well What's your last memory of him? What's your last and or best memory of him? He loved his cricket And he was still playing cricket To a great age et il mea eu l 'aime de cricket et de course Somerset en ces années jouait à Clarence Park Weston-Super-Mare ils ne sont pas encore je vais aller je vais à Weston-Super-Mare C 'est un club et je sold programmes et je travaillais dans le tent mais je m 'ai été sacked parce qu 'il y avait deux tents une tent à l 'intérieur et une tent à l 'intérieur et à l 'intérieur et je travaillais que Tee était 20 à 4 qui ne prend pas un grand parce que c 'était 20 à 4 dans chaque ground dans le pays.

7:40Donc, je me suis dit, si à 25 à 4, vous pouvez mettre 30 teus et 30 shortbreads pour 6 pence, nous devons être le deuxième tent. Et je suis sacked parce que les trade unions rannent, et ils ne s 'entendent pas quelqu 'un qui aurait pu faire plus de la même tent. As un jeune homme, vous êtes le seul enfant ? Oui, je suis un seul enfant. Can you remember your first bedroom? Where did you and the family live when you were very little? We lived in, well as a coincidence you will not accept, but we lived to begin with in 49 Locking Road, Weston-Super-Mare and then we moved up a bit in the world to six eastern mansions and we bought the house from John Cleese's mother.

8:28We bought the flat the least. The flat the least, no one would believe that. And his bed was so big that I sort of got lost in it. Oh, because you got so, parce que il est so tall. Oui, il est donc pris à Bristol. Il est donc à Clifton School et il est donc mais oui, nous avons pris un petit peu de monnaie de Mises Cleese. Et comme un petit peu, ce genre de petit peu de petit peu était-il? Tiresome. Oui, oui. Je suis toujours trop trop énergie et trop trop envie de faire des choses. Mon mère a été fédé avec me en tirant de sac. Après avoir été en tirant de sac à Clarence Park, I then worked selling ice creams on the beach and I moved the van 50 yards one way because it would then face a better way and I got the sack because I was too young to have a driving licence then I got the sack for selling deck chairs deck chairs were four pence and all in a pile and the orders were you had to stand by the pile and sell your four pence deck chair I thought why not take the deck chair to the people so I took the deck chair to the people et a got the sack pour leaving le stand.

9:38Now, my poor dear mother gave up. I mean, because she was then chairman of the Arts Committee on the council. I have a wonderful picture of her on my desk in her tricorne hat. So, she was everything to you when you were a little boy and I imagine you were everything to her. Yes, I did. Because your father, he dies. Do you remember his death? Was that a... Oh, yes. I was at school and the chaplain came to see me et me dit, donc oui, je me souviens. Et était-ce que vous avez eu l 'air ? J 'ai dû faire, j 'ai dû regarder elle-même maintenant ? La vieille femme m 'arriva trois fois. Oh, non ! Mais, unlike aujourd 'hui, no divorces, elle a fait qu 'ils ont.

10:19Oh, non, elle était une vieille femme, aussi. Elle a eu, elle a eu, elle a eu, elle a eu, elle a eu, elle a eu, elle a eu, elle a eu, elle a eu. Donc, ce sont-ce que vos stepfathers ? Je m 'en ai, ils m 'ont pas. Ils m 'ont pas très bien. Une, elle a majeur en les Gouards, qui je m 'aimais très bien, et une était un bancaire et ils étaient deux civilisés, decent human beings et je me suis allé à l 'aider de leur part de eux, oui Je vais essayer de voir avant de l 'entrepreneur et sportif je suis un petit peu je veux voir en votre shorts sur le front de la supermare avec votre grand-mère ou votre mère walking along ce qui s 'est passé ?

10:57Did vous playe sur la beach quand vous avez été un petit peu ? Well, the thing I would remember, and you miss it just, Giles, because you're not quite old enough, because I'm seven or eight years older than you, is a realization of war. I know it's hard for anyone listening to believe it, but getting used to people with one leg, getting used to people with one arm, getting used to people who are blind, and thinking that is part of life, that is the way it is, en Britannien en 1945, 1946, 1947. Ration coupons. Being told by Wall's ice cream, leur advertisement was, more than a food, which was a comment on the food at that time.

11:45So those are the memories that stick with me. War, and being conscious of war. You were conscious of war. I mean, did it hit Western Supermère? Were there bombs? No. No, no. Bristol would have been the nearest for that No, none of that Just people returning Had your father been in the army? Yes, he'd been in the army So we just got used to people Mind you, by the time I entered Parliament And here again, I don't know if this is true for you But I was a child when I entered Parliament I think there were only 12 of us Who hadn't been to Well, certainly only 12 of us Who'd never done national service mais la plupart des personnes qui ont servi à la guerre et ça donne une autre attitude à la vie et ils étaient les hommes et les hommes qui ont servi à la guerre ce qu 'ils étaient les têtes pour vous ?

12:42oh Walsh Ice Cream Tizer can vous believe it et on a fait un chien chien appelé Coffins où vous pouvez vous acheter A bob a lot For one shilling you got your fish And a packet of chips One shilling, 5p And Coffins was next to Another shop Which was a fish and chip shop And Coffins had a queue outside the door And the shop next door didn't And it was the first time I realised What an entrepreneur was What a person who made a profit was You delivered And the Coffins shop delivered The best fish and chips et le premier n 'est pas pas bon et le coup taught me que. Did votre mother read stories to you?

13:29Yes, oh yes, all the time et gave me a love of literature at a very young age yes, she did read to me et indeed wrote a book herself after Cain et Abel she thought, I can do this and she wrote a book, she wrote a detective book and I really admired her because you and I both know how hard et c 'est qu 'à tenir, la happened chère December ? En completa des éc June ! bacteria d 'Iriss par moicker weekly à CragenM� religieux pour toiballeu attend Reims Pour moi

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14:14Pour moi ne мов à quelqu 'un, Cain et Abel was over 1 ,000 hours, over 14 drafts and this kid thought, I'm going to knock the great Irish novel off this weekend. Did you get your work ethic from your mother? I think so. I think three jobs and sitting on the council. You know, I look back on it. I didn't at the time, Giles. How could I? It was only years later that I thought, wow, ce que vous avez fait pour moi et je crois que je crois je m 'aimais pour elle parce que c 'était la vieille chose elle était comme si c 'était ma grandmada elle a eu venu à Londres et elle a eu resté à la Savoy en la St.

15:04James' Suite qui est un petit suite en l 'évoquant la rivière et elle a eu resté pour une semaine et elle a eu un ami qui a eu un ami et ils vont à Harrods et ils vont aller à l 'intérieur et puis les bills ils vont venir en et je pensais you know, I owe it to her so Harrods rang me up and said we're a little bit worried your mother has been rather overdone it this time and they went through the list and I said yes, no, no, yes no, no, yes and she was giving friends presents God bless her and she never commented all the no's, she never even commented What do you think you have got from her, from Lola?

15:43Well, definitely the energy Definitely the energy Was she gregarious? Yes, terrific She was a great outgoing human being Very much so And if she'd been born today She'd have been mayor of Western Supermair She'd have been chairman of the council Or whatever it is Whereas she got to deputy chairman And because you know women Were still fighting And the first school you went to was where? I went to a little school called Christchurch Where the headmaster was Mr Holcomb Not to be forgotten Those are the things you never forget Then won a scholarship to Wellington School in the summer Well and again I didn't realise My mother couldn't afford the full fee Otherwise I'd have gone to Western Supermary Grammar School She wanted me to go to Wellington Was it a boring school?

16:36I don't know Because I talked to a lot of people of my age About their school days I was lazy I didn't do enough I was more interested in running Playing rugby, playing cricket I was more interested in sport When I say lazy The energy was going in the wrong direction With the exception of English I did love my English master And he gave me a love of Shakespeare As he did At Beatles you got that same love Of the great man So I had a love of Shakespeare At a very early age et de plusieurs très bons writers. Et je l 'ai eu à un homme qui a eu qui a eu à un homme qui a eu. Qui a eu, qui a eu, qui a eu.

17:20Il a eu, qui a eu, qui a eu. Et tu as eu. Tu as eu, en ce que vous avez ? Oui. Tu as eu, je crois que je suis. Je jouais Brutus' mari. Quand je suis 14. En Julio César. Mais sport, c 'est quoi que vous avez eu? Were you captain of anything? Did you play well? I was captain of athletics and captain of gymnastics, but probably, looking back on it again, I should have worked harder. You make these mistakes when you're young.

17:54Did you have any crushes on any of the other boys? No. Well, I greatly admired one particular head boy who was very aloof and et il fait une sorte de faireू et c 'est ses Google Si tu o imagais-tu l 'arrivée ? On sentit qi je trouve her now and thought I now look back on that and think yes obviously I was interested in girls. And do you know her name? Do you remember her name? No I didn't. Never met her, never spoke to her. Oh you remember seeing this girl? No I only saw her, it was only visual. But isn't it strange? I sometimes think about a girl I once saw on a station platform and it was only a matter of seconds.

18:33I was in a train and the train moved off and I got up and I went to the between the compartments and I looked out of the window to try and catch a second glimpse of her and I only saw her momentarily. Mais elle glanced à me et je glanced à elle momentarily. Et ici je suis, un siècle plus tard, encore une fois remédie de ce moment. C 'est très romantique. C 'est très romantique. C 'est très romantique. Alors, vous êtes un autre, et bien évidemment, nous sommes venus à vous être un grand storyteller, mais vous êtes un romantique ? J 'ai toujours été un romantique. Vous ne pouvez pas faire du tout.

19:03Vous êtes un ou vous n 'êtes. Et les livres, en ce sens, ils ne sont pas romantique, en ce sens que ils sont sexuellement romantique, mais ils sont romantiques, mais je pense que mes stories sont romantiques, en ce sens. Vous êtes romantique. Vous pouvez voir que vous êtes en 14 ans. Vous êtes en votre cricquet whites. Et vous êtes en train de jouer. Pour England. Pour England. Non plus. Failed. Et il y a une fille en la prom. En Western Supermare. Si ils ont un prom. Oui, nous avons un prom. Et vous glancez à elle et vous pensez, « Yes, je l 'ai pas. Je l 'ai pas. Qui est la première fille que vous avez plus de stare à?

19:38A Jill Todobin, qui ne l 'a pas de me. Jill, give me la surname again. Jill Todeven, she was a very bright girl but she was in love with art she later became headmistress of a girls school in Cornwall so I went around art galleries with her to be with her and fell in love with art and she's not a wicked woman most women are wicked they're so much cleverer than us Giles they're so much brighter than we are she would take her children to the Tate gallery once a year, she'd take a coach, take the children up to the Tate Gallery, show them around, do everything, take back, and then send me the bill.

20:16And I loved having the bill. I thought that was a great privilege. I'd sent these 40 girls to the Tate once a year. I loved it. And she, wicked woman. This is when she was a headmistress. Which is when she was a headmistress. You were teenagers when you were... She was two years older than me. That's why she looked down on me as a fairly useless individual. But who was the girl you first held hands with? That would have been considerably later Because in my generation What you will know a bit of But not as much as the modern generation Holding hands was a big deal Kissing was a remarkable deal And you didn't get that probably until 18 or 19 Whereas nowadays they seem to be at it at 14 So I was very slow Partly because I'd been to a boys' school That may have been part of it mais ne pas pas pas avec jill bon heavens no can remember the first moment yes elizabeth a lady called elizabeth yes i do remember her yes what did she see in you not a lot oh come on no i've had i had i was very shy with women very shy and she was much more advanced mais yes holding hands was a big deal in those days you did it on the seafront for everybody to see so that you could let everybody know you'd got a girlfriend well congratulations at school you do was it school certificate then still or O levels all of that but never well enough I was it was later that I worked out if I was going to get to Oxford I had to do a day's work mais par then je suis en train de faire pour l 'inglant donc hold on donc à l 'école vous devenez un très bon sportif et vous savez vous avez pas pas encore je vais vous dire je vais vous dire un story je vais vous dire je won le 100 yards à l 'école et le premier match était contre Millfield quand je suis venu donc je suis venu je suis venu Geoffrey vous êtes pathetic vous avez gone à cette next door school called Millfield et vous avez eu eu eu jean 3rd et nous venions 1st, 2nd et 3rd en l 'englant championships 3 mois après les mêmes deux boys beating me et nous avons eu eu eu jure et nous avons eu eu eu jean contre l 'englant contre l 'englant contre l 'englant et l 'esquête mais vous avez eu eu jure 100 yards en under 10 secondes je suis jure 9-6 contre l 'englant et l 'englant contre l 'englant mais je n 'étais pas bon quand je n 'étais pas bon quand je n 'étais pas bon quand je n 'étais pas bon quand je n 'étais pas bon vous faites votre meilleur dans 3rd ou 4th place c 'est seulement quand vous êtes et vous breakz un record record, you do your best time in first place.

23:04Most people who tell you the best time they've ever done, they didn't win the race. So, here you are, 15, 16, still at school, with what ambition? What's in your head? What's filling your head? I think I wanted to be an actor then. Oh. I wasn't sure because it wasn't until Oxford that I fell in love with politics. Picture yourself, try in your head, this is the early 1950s, Vous êtes capable de rin très fast. Vous aimez jouer en sport. Vous voulez être un acteur. Oui, vous voulez être un acteur. Of course. Don't être un acteur. Vous pensez que je veux être un part? Non, mais... Walk-on? Mais ce que je me souviens...

23:45Stand-in? Pourquoi vous pensez que vous êtes comme ça? Qui vous voulez être pour? Vous ne pouvez pas faire ça. Vous ne pouvez pas faire ça. Vous ne pouvez pas... Quand vous rencontrez quelqu 'un qui est vraiment, vraiment, vraiment, vraiment, comme ma femme, ou, say, Martin Rees at Cambridge, you know you're in the presence of a superior brain and you're pathetic. You can't do anything about it. You can't say, I think I'd like to be a Nobel Prize winner, actually. That's what I've decided I'd like to be. Well, you can't be, idiot. But at 16, what did you want to be? I wanted to be an actor then, I think, yeah.

24:22To be seen, to be... Oh, yes, I'm a show-off. Yes, I wanted to be on the centre of the stage. Do you know why? I mean, my wife says to me on a daily basis, your parents are dead now, Giles. You don't need to go on doing this. You've got nothing to prove to anybody anymore. You're pathetic. So she is of the view that I was, in the way that you were then, wanted to do these things to show my parents... Yes, that's fair enough. ...what an achiever I was. And that might be doubly so for you, because all you had by then was your mother... Only my mother. ...who had given her life to you. And did you feel, I must do something for her?

24:58Well, I'm fascinated to hear you say that. If so, it was unconsciously so. It was only in later life that I realised how much I owed her, what a privileged start she'd given me. And now in old age, jumping right the way through to 85,

25:19I know you're going to laugh at this, because I've never said it to you before, but I'm now feeling guilty. I know feeling Writing a story Being a storyteller The rewards are too great Now I get a lot of authors who come and say Geoffrey, you know, I can't make£10 ,000 a year In fact, I know the average in Britain For a writer is£14 ,000 And so They sit with me And I look at Mary says You've earned it, you've earned it And I say, well I'm not sure I have parce que Mary, qui a été le chef de l 'hôpital de l 'hôpital de l 'hôpital de l 'Hôpital, et la queen a été le dame. Elle a été le chef de l 'hôpital de l 'Hôpital, le premier à la première fois à la fôtre de la nationalité.

26:08Elle a jamais eu un peu de peine en elle. Nous vivons dans un tent si nous vivons... Mais elle a l 'hôpital de l 'hôpital. Donc, c 'est différent pour tout le monde, Giles. À l 'âge 15, quand on est maintenant 70 ans, Vous voulez être un acteur, vous êtes encore à l 'école Mais vous avez de l 'école Vous n 'avez pas beaucoup de qualifications Parce que vous avez de l 'écouter On les mêmes choses à cette époque Mais vous avez de l 'earnir Parce que votre mère n 'est pas bien off Donc ce que vous faites, comment vous avez de l 'earnir Quand vous avez de l 'earnir To commencer par, oui Parce que je suis un très bon sporteur Donc je suis un job As ce qu 'ils étaient en les années A PT instructor Et je suis un job into jobs which I enjoyed immensely and at the same time began to realise I wasn't going to get anywhere in life unless I got some A-levels so got on with that.

27:00Because I first came across you when I think you were working as a PT instructor at Dover College School in Kent and I was at a prep school nearby eight years your junior and our headmaster said I found a young man who is I think, the best, the most outstanding coach you will ever encounter. And that was you. And that was Mr Burton. You remember Ivor Burton. I do remember Ivor very well indeed. And he gave me a pretty well free hand. And you were one of my failures. Yes. Of that there is no doubt. You have many great gifts, which I've watched over the years with admiration. But you were no sportsman.

27:40Well, I did run for Hampshire once. My gosh. Quite slowly. You shocked me. This comes as a shock. So, you're teaching at places like Dover College, you're sort of earning a living, and then you decide, I'm going to take A-levels because I've got to do something. I wanted to get to Oxford, and I wanted to be a teacher. I was enjoying it immensely, but I realised I had no qualifications. So, I got a place at Oxford, I got a place at Brasenose to do a teacher's course, and that's where I met Mary, of course. And again, looking back on it, I did work quite hard, but I wasn't one of the clever ones.

28:14So I came for the first time in my life In the presence of really clever people And Mary in particular But I have to guess Even in the case of Mary I didn't realise for some time She was a fellow student was she? Yes she was reading chemistry at St Anne's Can you remember the first time you saw her Across the crowded quad? Yes I do It was at a party Nick Lloyd gave a party When he was editor of Charwell And there she was across the room But Charwell was the university magazine So go on Charwell he was in charge of And he asked me to write a column Called With the Blues And that's the day I discovered Mary was bright Was I'd written my six little columns Six, thirty or forty words Whatever it was Maybe it was a hundred I don't know And I lost it And I was meant to hand it in to Nick In thirty minutes time And Mary had typed it The day before So she typed it out again From memory?

29:15Totally Terrifying That was when I realised That she had this weird gift That once she'd read something She could remember it So I started to test this I thought this is not possible So next week I got her to type it And then took it away from her And made her do it In 300 words Three word mistakes in 300 She could just remember it Now it's clear Which I was jealous of. I wanted that gift. I know why you have stayed with her for 60 years. Yes. But why do you think she has stayed with you for 60 years? I cannot imagine. What did you have to offer initially? Energy. I think she loved the energy.

30:00I think she loved the spirit and she loved the ambition. Mary is a great academic. She went from Oxford to Cambridge. Hers was a very orthodox career in the sense. except that she at the age of 40 got out of bed one morning and said I'm going to resign so I said I beg your pardon, you've got a very good job she said you should not be teaching chemistry at 40 chemistry is a subject that should be taught by someone who's 25 to 30 and 35 should be the limit it changes so quickly I'm going to resign and if I don't resign she said I won't do another job so she resigned so I say to people listening to this she was 40 at the time and her life took a totally different direction because the Bursa of Trinity put her on the board of the hospital and she went on of course to become chairman and the Queen made her a dame when it became the best hospital in Britain it got the best hospital award in Britain.

31:02You have had from Mary intellectual ballast provided and access to some of the brightest and most brilliant people Je suis en « Who's Who » Educated by my wife Since leaving Oxford You can't live with Mary Archer For 60 years And not pick up something But she has got from you Meeting some very entertaining people It was when you were still at Oxford I think That you first managed To encounter the Beatles Yes You simply wrote to them In the way that young people can With the boldness of youth Saying I want to do this How did that materialise? Well isn't that the madness of youth? I rang Brian Epstein Oxfam Oh gosh I hope I'm getting it right Their 100th year Or it may have been their 25th year And they wanted to raise a million pounds And I went to the Daily Mail Through Nick Nick fixed it Nick Lloyd fixed it And said I want to run this campaign And they said well what do you want to do And I said I want to help raise this million And they said well You get the Beatles we'll join in So I got in touch with Brian Epstein et il m 'a dit que je n 'ai pas le Daily Mail.

32:10Et vous êtes 20 ou 21 à l 'heure. Et il m 'a dit, Well, come up to Liverpool. So I went up to Liverpool and met them. And then they came down to Brazeno. What were they like? Four very different individuals. Looking back on it now as an older person, I thought John Lennon and Paul McCartney were very bright indeed. And both could have got to Oxford easily. Easily. You were dealing with bright. George, one of the nicest men I've ever met in my life. We remained friends. de l 'honneur, il était le premier qui a été un ami. Ringo, je n 'ai jamais vraiment eu le savais. Et ils ont eu l 'honneur, qui était très gentil.

32:50Le Daily Mail a pris le détail, et le million a été raised. Et où est-ce que Lord Mountbatten a été dans cette direction ? Oh, c 'est un peu plus tard. C 'est un peu plus tard. Je suis un appel à l 'Ontbatte de la secretary de la salle, qui m 'a dit, je vais y aller voir le monde. Oui, bien sûr. Et je vais y aller voir, je pense que c 'est de Chouk Street, et je suis un peu plus de la flat. et il est jusqu 'au il s 'esti « What's your idea of a winning evening? » So I said, « Well, if you could get Sinatra, sir, and you could get Bob Hope to do the first half, and you could get Grace Kelly to do the introductions, we'd be there, sir.

33:55» And he was not convinced. He wanted menu in. So, but the people around him. So he then did something that taught me so much. I mean, what a performer. Il m 'agיא des communications.

34:35Wicked. Bob, he said, I need Sinatra. There's a frightening silence at the other end of the line. I want to put him on. I'll get Grace Kelly. She's a friend. I've got someone else who will get me Bob Hope. And I thought, what a waiter. What an operator. I mean, I only knew their names. And here he was speaking direct. Now, that man adored Mountbatten and he got him Sinatra. And they came to London, Sinatra, Grace Kelly and Bob Hope and made a fortune for United World Colleges and this was at the Royal Albert Hall no, at the Festival Hall this was your baby well it had an official producer but I was it was my idea and I've never forgotten it you talk about hard work one of the things I admired about Sinatra and I would go as far as it would be arrogant of me to say yes we became friends mais nous avons pu savoir plus qu 'il est sauvage c 'est un peu plus c 'est un peu plus il m 'a dit plus tard il m 'a dit plus il m 'a dit il m 'a dit plus

35:47un pro et je je suis venu à la réelle je suis allé à la fin et à la fin de la fin je l 'ai vu 20 fois mais le audience thought it was he'd done it on the spot he had that gift of making you believe so he came in the back of the Royal Philharmonic he paid for them he said I cannot do a one night show in front of the Prince of Wales and the Princess Anne I need the Royal Philharmonic and he paid for them and what he did was he walked onto the stage entre les violins et les drums et jeie et elle la rejeune m 'amienen de ça pour un second et Grace Kelly jeinformation mon et je regarde la voie de l 'amdo m 'el representative à prendre le médecin et de la voie quand ils ont hơi même h birp mon résamoix la spl wyn ar punya d 'cavor la� fått puis la re downloaded puis les eauxia et et les Martineau et si slow Mais quand il rejouit le microbe, ils sont tous, vous pouvez only faire ça si vous êtes un grand star.

37:03Et ils étaient tous screaming. Et je regarde ce. Et quand je l 'ai vu dans la réhabilitation, il y avait eu un applaudi. Mais il savait ce qu 'il était. Donc il prend le microbe, et il prend le microbe, et il prend le microbe, et il regarde le audience, et il walks towards Grace Kelly, et il waits jusqu 'à la voix, il stoppe de applaudir, et il est juste staring à elle. Et puis le monde est en train de regarder Grace Kelly et lui, et il dit, « Vous faites me feel so young » et le monde entier. Et je me suis dit « ce n 'est pas un pro. Maintenant je me suis dit « le tour de l 'orchestre. Maintenant je me suis dit « le microbe.

37:43Maintenant je me suis dit « le tour de l 'orbox. Et je me suis dit « le tour de l 'orchestre. » Donc, ce n 'était pas un projet de projet. Et vous avez été faits de la projet. Oui, et je suis faits de travailler pour Montbatten parce que je m 'aimais de Marlena Dietrich avec Montbatten. et puis enfin, parce qu 'il voulait me... What was Marlena Dietrich comme ? Je veux dire, c 'est vous et vos 20s et Noël Coyard, de course. Ah, caractère, caractère, je me rappelle et ne pouvais pas faire le temps. Oui, il était censé le show plutôt que Grace Kelly. Originally, Noël Coyard était censé le nom, mais il a pris de pleurisy et il a pris de Saint-Thomas'-Hospital et Mountbatten a dit je veux vous dire qu 'il vous a dit chaque jour, on comment il est.

38:25So I had the honour and privilege for 10 days, 10 days of sitting on the end of his bed and then reporting back to Matt. Look, he's sitting up, he's chatting. Was he amusing? We hope Noel Card was amusing. I know from lots of accounts that he was a very nice guy. Yes. Did you get on with him? Oh, I thought he was, again, the energy. Even when he was in? Incredibly bright. Oh, no, that would have made no difference at all. I've seen people dying who've still got energy. I can tell you three people I saw dying Who still got whatever it is And he got that He got better of course But he wanted to know how the show was going So Grace Kelly, I took Grace Kelly to see him I took Bob Hope to see him Which of course they were close friends They were all friends Was Bob Hope nice or not so nice?

39:16I have a weakness in the sense that I am told By nature I give everyone the benefit of the doubt et donc quand l 'américain ambassadeur a dinner in Sinatra's honour many years ago, il a dit oh yes, il y a deux Sinatras et il y a une, et je accepte et ils ont dit que j 'ai dit et il y a un Bob Hope parce que quand Mountbatten était un homme, pas moi je suis un officiel de no importance mais en front de Mountbatten ils behaved en un certaine façon whereas Grace Kelly était très modest et je n 'ai jamais forgotten et je me suis très sorry, sir, mais Noël Coyot a été en hospital. Qui vous voulez ?

39:59Et je disais, ça va être wonderful, sir. Il m 'a dit, je peux vous donner David Frost. Et je disais, je pense que je pense qu 'on a pour une femme. Je veux que vous vienne. Non, le prince ne pas vouloir. Il ne va pas vouloir elle sur scène. Je disais, ça va pour un jour, sir. Une nuit, je vais parler. et il dit et il dit il dit il dit il dit il dit il dit il dit il dit il dit il dit monaco il dit et il dit et je me dis ce que je je vais faire je dis je serene highness c 'est très simple c 'est c 'est ces deux frères Bob Hope et Frank Sinatra please could vous introduce them no she said I am an actress write le script for me tell me, so I asked her about the relationship with the two men and I wrote the script and I've never forgotten sitting in the audience the person behind me saying oh she's so natural because she'd learnt it off by heart and she delivered it as if she was just casually saying it but she felt unable to just walk onto the stage and talk about her friend Bob Hope and her friend Frank Sinatra and I understand that now I understand that she needed a script so I went over a second time saw her twice and she was brilliant on the night absolutely brilliant and they all loved her of course the audience loved her and do you assume you were managing to do all this simply because you were young and mad and mad and mad you were just pushing it oh yeah pushing my luck did the madness manifest itself were you an easy person to be with or were you a bit loud Oh, très loud, oui.

41:49Je suis jeune, je suis un enfant. Je suis juste enjouant moi-même. Ça ne signifie pas à moi. Je me suis en train de revenir. Les gens disent, vous avez vu un moment, vous avez vu Sinatra ? Vous avez vu Bob Hope ? Vous avez vu Grace Kelly ? Vous avez vu les Beatles ? Je ne sais pas, je ne pensais pas que ça.

42:10Et quand vous avez eu lieu de politique ? Parce que je me souviens de rencontrer dans Whitehall, Mais par l 'heure, vous deveniez un MP. Vous êtes un jeune MP, weren't vous ? 29. C 'est très jeune, je regrette. Mais comment vous avez eu voulu ? Je suis en train de faire de l 'amour avec politique quand Lord Harlech m 'a demandé de faire le Europe. Et je met tout le monde. Je met Ted Heath, je met tous les autres. Et je pensais, ce qui est vraiment ce que je veux faire. Vous pouvez faire un changement. Si vous avez un changement, vous pouvez faire un changement. Et je suis allé à Louth, en Lincolnshire, pour un interview, Vous êtes thinking, vous savez, ça va être expérience.

42:45Et ils m 'ont offert me la seat. Je pense que c 'était le plus mistake que je me suis fait. Je regrette entrer dans le House à 29. Les jeunes gens viennent me voir maintenant. Et je me suis pensé plus de Toby Elwood, Sajid Javid, Robert Halfon. All ces gens qui viennent me voir. Je me suis dit, pour la parole, je ne vais pas en tirer en 40. Earn un un grand, j 'ai eu l 'air, j 'ai eu l 'air, j 'ai eu l 'air, de parlement. My mistake was becoming a member of parlement at 29, thinking I was a god, I was bound to be prime minister, who could stop me? I was just an arrogant fool. And it all went wrong quite quickly.

43:24Oh yes. Because you had made an investment Very foolish. In a company called Aquablast. Yes, very foolish. And that all... Well, it was a company run by a very clever businessman in Canada et il m 'aimait 53 de nous je suis un de 53 et je suis je suis rentré dans la dette de 400 000 donc je suis venu à voir mon chairman et m 'aimait je ne veux pas que je ne veux pas parce que vous avez besoin de la réaction je peux cliquer sur six mois parce que je ne veux pas de la seat donc je clang sur six mois et je suis face à la bankruptcy et je ne peux pas je ne peux pas parce que vous avez pas de leave le parliament you're facing bankruptcy you're not exactly the most employable person in Great Britain and sat down and wrote not a penny more, not a penny less because that's what had happened to me and I wrote the story of four young men who between them had lost the fortune and decided to steal it back from Mr Big my Mr Big but they weren't allowed to go over the top they were only allowed to steal back what he had stolen from them Not a penny more, not a penny less I thought that was quite a good idea And 14 publishers turned it down The 15th publisher Tom Mashler And he published it And he gave me£3 ,000 But I was in debt for£400 ,000 at the time And it sold 3 ,000 copies And then Hodder and Stoughton Took it on in paperback et il sold 25 000 en la première six mois et je vais voir et je vais vous présenter non non non on va voir pour votre next book et je vais vous présenter 25 000 et ils publisent 25 000 et ils soldent et je vais et je vais ils publisent 25 000 et ils soldent les last month ils sold 25 000 et je me suis ce qu 'il y a c 'est encore vous m 'avez Vous devez vous remercier, qui est très gentil, je suis dans 151 pays.

45:40Vous divisez 151 dans 25. Je me souviens, je vous ai dit le dernier, je suis un appel à l 'Icele qui dit que vous êtes le numéro 1. Vous avez le numéro 1. Il est le numéro 1. Donc, je suis busting avec le pride. Et je me souviens, et comment combien vous avez à vendre pour être le numéro 1 en Icele ? Il m 'a dit 83. Donc, on a peut -être, parfois, vous avez de l 'air en perspective. Mais aussi, le reste est historique, mais je me rappelle que vous connaissez à l 'époque. Vous avez écrit le livre, mais il n 'y a pas encore plus. Je me rappelle que vous veniez d 'un côté de l 'Overson, et me rencontrer à la station de King's Cross, parce que vous avez eu un gig à faire le overnights à LBC, le radio station que j 'ai juste commencé.

46:23Et je me suis fait faire des overnights, et je me suis fait un peu plus. Et je me souviens de ça, parce que vous avez eu un peu de l 'oeuvre, et vous avez eu un peu de l 'oeuvre à la radio station. Totally un peu. et between there was no records to play there were just commercials and I remember during the commercials almost every time you phoned Mary to say are you listening how's it going wanting that reassurance seeking her advice so there were there were low moments oh I was talking it's very interesting you say that I was talking to one of them at breakfast this morning one of the most successful businessmen in this country and he said I said no tell me because this is something that fascinates me comment close did you get to failing one of the most successful men in this country and he said I nearly went bankrupt three times I've never met a great entrepreneur who didn't face bankruptcy that is called risk taking Geoffrey and they are the people who run this country and we should respect them you were forced out of politics by the threat of bankruptcy you become a best selling author that goes on in a big way but then you go back into politics avec Margaret Thatcher.

47:35Comment ça ressemble ? Je adorais elle. Elle adorait Mary. Don't forget, ils sont tous chemistes, tous Somerville girls. Et donc, il y a un attachement là, comme mon love de politique. Je me rappelle, quand elle était en chef de la secrétion de l 'Etat pour l 'Etat, et je vais à l 'Ouph, et la commission de m 'amener à ouvrir les shows, et à être là sur un sétagé. Donc, je suis à Margaret et disait, « Elle ne peut pas. Elle est à Don, Bonjour à Oxford, comment est-ce enательно Couver ? 1600

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48:18Vous avez aimé un long terme you learnt de travailler avec et pour Margaret Thatcher You were le guide chairman du Conseil du Conseil za l 'autre Vous avez été mis en train de la maison de l 'Ordes. Vous travailliez avec elle. Vous avez aidé avec ses speeches, je imagine. Ce que vous avez appris dans la longueur de connaître? Discipline, la même chose que je n 'ai jamais vu dans ma vie. Elle serait en train de se passer à 4h00 en la matinée, en train de lire les postes, et en train de lire des notes de lettres qui ont été reçu par le staff. elle a l 'énergie de 10 men en fait je me rappelle quand elle a dit nous sommes venus à la fin de l 'élection jeffrey et je suis en charge de l 'élection je suis en charge de l 'élection je suis en charge de l 'élection je suis en charge 4 outstanding young men supporting me en ce prime minister je m 'en ai plus prefer 1 outstanding young woman je suis terrific to work for c 'est un What's your most vivid, intimate memory of being with her?

49:27Of a private moment or a special moment with Margaret Thatcher? We were in Plymouth together. Well, three. There were two or three. But once in Plymouth when she'd made a very good speech, I thought. And she said, I wasn't pleased with tonight's speech, Geoffrey. And I said, I thought it went very well, Prime Minister. I've written half of it. I thought it went very well, Prime Minister. No, I'm not satisfied with it. No. could we meet early tomorrow morning Geoffrey and go over it together I said yes of course Prime Minister what would suit you could you pop into number 10 around 7 o 'clock 7.30 certainly Prime Minister she gets on a helicopter from Plymouth and goes straight back home I am stuck in Plymouth in my mini and I have got to be at breakfast with her she knew what she was doing and she loved that was for a tease for and if you appeared freshly dressed Freshly shaved at 7 She loved that too She loved the fact you joined in the game So that, at a personal level Incredibly good friend when you're down She's not someone who walks away She walks towards you when you're in trouble And so that was why I never forgave the party When they deserted her And they did desert her There were only four people sitting in that room with her en Downing Street quand elle a eu fui only 4 ils ont eu l 'air ils ont eu l 'air 2 ou 3 ans mais elle a eu mais elle a eu mais elle a eu mais elle a eu mais elle a eu mais elle a eu pour le reste de la vie

51:07et donc c 'est un que le saddest une à cette level c 'est que Mary et on a Sunday night in Chester Square juste pour a chat parce que elle était l 'orée par then elle était une fille, Dennis a died elle était l 'orée et Mary and I par le fait, je l 'ai aimé nous avons l 'air nous avons l 'air d 'un soir je n 'ai jamais hâte nous avons l 'air d 'un soir nous avons été en l 'heure et demi on a fait, elle a l 'air d 'un soir nous avons été en l 'heure et demi et Mary avait l 'air d 'un côté et je pensais, vous pouvez l 'air d 'un côté Margaret Thatcher's shoulder je m 'étais là-bas, je pense que vous ne pouvez pas Of course, she was an old lady by then.

51:49And Mary said to her, I do apologise, Margaret, we've stayed too long. And she said, not long enough, Mary. Not long enough. And I realised then how lonely she was. Now, you have had Downs several times in your political career. Well, one of which we can talk about because your three volumes of prison diaries, as well as being bestsellers, are really good books. Several people have written books about and from prison Oscar Wilde, John Bunyan Yes So you're in good company Three volumes of your prison diaries You were running to be the mayor of London Which I'd love to have been And you would have been, I think, terrific I was supporting you, keen for you to do it You were indeed You had to withdraw They scrambled around for other people They wanted Seb to do it He wasn't interested They even came to me to show you how desperate they were ...to replace you.

52:45But you were charged with perjury, found guilty and sentenced to, was it four years? Just in a nutshell, how did that come about? Why did you keep the diary? What do people learn from reading the diary? The diary really was to occupy it. There's nothing more boring than prison. I mean, it's the most boring place on earth. If you're in what I call a decat, it's like a holiday camp. C 'est un décat, décat, décat. A-cats pour murderers, B-cats pour pretty bad people, C-cats, all right, D-cats really pour people who are on the bottom of the rung at that level. And so it was boring. So I thought, I can't be bored.

53:30I can't, so I'll write a diary. But I was meeting interesting people. For instance, in the library, first I ran the hospital and then I ran the library. et en la bibliothèque mon député était un mûrderer et il était je m 'y suis dit il était 45 et il m 'a dit et il m 'a dit et il m 'a dit et je m 'a dit «Coud-je mûrder quelqu 'un ? » et il m 'a dit «No, Geoffrey, vous ne pouvez pas vous êtes bounding avec l 'énergie le temps vous let énergie il m 'a dit il m 'a dit il m 'a dit il m 'a dit il m 'a dit il m 'a dit il m 'a dit et quand-je un m 'a dit il m 'a dit I suddenly lost my temper and made a fool of myself he said you wouldn't do that you were bounding with energy the whole time so I was getting wonderful inside stories and I came to realise too how many people didn't have good mothers and good fathers and good upbringings and a good life I came to realise how lucky I was and then they started coming to see me about their lives et je me souviens, un jeune homme venait à me et m 'a dit, «J 'aimerais qu 'il faut qu 'il soit avec vous.

54:40Et je lui dis, «J 'aimerais qu 'il soit 62. Vous êtes 31. Pourquoi vous voulez qu 'il soit avec les places? Il m 'a dit, «J 'aimerais qu 'il est un élector et je ne peux pas le faire. Et ils m 'ont dit qu 'il était dans un défi d 'un défi. Il y a un défi d 'un défi. Il est mort. Il est mort. Et donc, on m 'a dit. Et, God, was que ça a leveller. Did that make you think how lucky you've been? Except picking up on what you've just said about having good parents and drug addiction, you had a very devoted mother, but an absent father and then a dead father. And you are clearly addicted to something because at least three times in your life, you've become a cropper.

55:26What do you think it is or was in you que tu aLET ou est-il que se rein姑iaie qu 'il a condition? Il est unchecké de l 'esquire évidemment, crologie où vous колzod Lesson, paixer lesquits que vous devez-vous, et je veux dire, ça a de 30 ans. field25 Moi, j 'allais être là à l 'époque, pensais -º size Non, tuines leu des Leslie. Et tu leu des Datou, errado je faite la saison de la c색évéelek, pardon et l 'intrigue. If you stop spending the rest of your life Saying it's not fair It's not right No no you've got to get up the next day Brush yourself down and get on with life But I didn't quite mean that I meant referring back to the drug addict Were you hooked on A kind of adrenaline rush Of wanting to achieve Being associated with these high achievers Pushing yourself further and further And wanting to keep the plates Spinning all the time Yes guilty as charged Yes, I think you're right But you can't do anything about that Because people say to me I wish I had your energy Or I wish I had your spirit You can't do anything about that

56:40No, I think if I'd had a A different upbringing Or a different way of life It would have been different Of course it is I think I've been very privileged And very lucky And suddenly, well, a piece of real luck Was to discover at the age of 34 que je ne pouvais pas dire un histoire. Ça ne me débrouille pas. C 'est ce que je faisais pour un livre. Je me dis, qui m 'a fait de l 'argent en writing des livres ? Je ne sais pas. Mais ça a pris le temps à l 'époque, quand je ne pouvais pas avoir un job. Je me suis vivant avec Mary. Mary était un don à Cambridge. Ils ont donné un flat. Trinité a donné un flat, donc on a un flat.

57:17Mais de course, ça a permis de vivre la histoire. Je me dis, votre histoire est une grande histoire. Mais je n 'ai jamais rencontré vous, quand vous n 'avez pas eu de la histoire, vous avez toujours eu de la histoire. Et c 'est un truc qui me permet de garder vous. Et en un sens, il y a été le saving de vous, je pense, que vous avez été aidé à faire les histoires sur papier. Et je vois les bigs notepads sur lesquelles vous writez-vous, et en tant que longhand avec vos bigs, presque capital letters, page après page, et en faisant les draps. Je peux dire que c 'est vrai, ce qui est vrai, il y a des draps.

57:51Il y a des draps qui fait les draps. en la fin. Oui, parce que les dernières book, c 'est 14 drafts, et ils ne pas croient. Et je me rappelle un très distingué journaliste qui a été nameless, sitting où vous êtes, disant, disant, «Jephry, je n 'ai écrit un livre et il n 'est pas un bestseller. » Donc je lui disais, «Journaliste, comment il n 'est pas un livre ? » Il m 'a dit, «Journaliste, un livre, un livre, un livre, et c 'est tout, je n 'ai pas de temps pour. Je n 'ai pas de plus. Je n 'ai pas de plus. Je n 'ai pas de raison, il n 'est pas de plus. Je n 'ai pas de flog on and on and on you know, you can only do as well as you can do, so when I hand in the 14th draft it is the best I can do if it isn't good enough and the public decide it isn't good enough so be it because I can't do any better, what I won't tolerate is handing in something that I know isn't good enough, because that's unforgivable, and so yes, I go on working and working and working until I fall on the grounds that if I fail it has to be my fault.

59:00Looking back, what's been the best, best ever night of your life? That's a tricky one. I've always thought the day I was chosen to run for my country is not a moment I would forget because the first time when you run for Britain que le juge de Edinburgh a writes to you parce que il était président only the first time to say you've been selected for your country and so yes that's not something I will ever forget opening the letter and saying you've been chosen to run against Sweden so that would be a very great member obviously the first day in the House of Commons a very different House of Commons to the House today I tell this story forgive me for diverting and you can cut it out if it doesn't work for you Margaret Thatcher had sent me to Tore Scotland and report to her in the days when we had 17 members of parliament in Scotland and I travelled from Glasgow where we had a member of parliament in Glasgow to Edinburgh on never leaving Tory land and I read in the paper that John Smith had a heart attack donc je rang up Edinburgh Free Hospital et spoke to the matron et m 'a dit, est-ce qu 'il est possible de venir et parce qu 'il est venu de la maison au même temps et je dis, je dis, je je comprends que je comprends que c 'est inappropriate, parce que nous sommes near à l 'élection et je a call back from Matron, il est comme quand même, quand je veux donc, quand je vais, je vais et je vais et je me dis, je dis, je dis Shadow Secretary of State pour Business il a eu deux remarquables jeunes qui sont en train de travailler pour moi à l 'heure il y a eu jeffrey oui jean je me disais et de course il y a Gordon Brown et Tony Blair qui étaient tous ses deux il y a eu il y a eu et je vois et je vois que je vois que c 'est très très bien à spotter les gens mais ce que je dis à des jeunes aujourd 'hui est si Keir Starmer et ce n 'est pas un commentaire on Keir Starmer c 'est un commentaire on politique ou, Kimi better not, went into hospital today, would opposite members of the House sit on the end of the bed and chat to them?

1:01:24I remember sitting where we're sitting now, Giles, and I got a call from St Thomas' Hospital, which is just up the road, saying that George Thomas was dying. The Speaker of the House of Commons. The great Speaker of the House, the great Labour Welsh Secretary, a very dear friend. I literally left the House et went straight to St Thomas' Hospital et sat on the end of his bed et il me dit, « Je ne sais pas de dying, Geoffrey. Je ne sais pas de Dieu. Je suis prêt à die. Je suis resté dans le room et je suis allé à la matronneau et je lui ai dit, « Je lui ai fait un petit appel ? » Et elle lui dit, « Oui, bien sûr.

1:02:00» Et je lui ai dit, « Je lui ai dit, « Le matron a dit me six jours à vivre. » Donc je lui ai dit, « J 'ai dit, « Georges Thomas a dit six jours à vivre. » Elle était là le dernier, « J 'ai dit, « J 'ai dit, « J 'ai dit, Four years later, I'm standing in a queue at the mansion house for a lunch And George is six places ahead of me So I couldn't resist it, Mary got very cross with me I stuck my head out and said, George, how are you? He said, I'm very lucky to be alive You're very lucky to be alive I said, you're a disgrace, I came to see you when you were dying He said, I know, I know, I know The Lord spared me, he said And what have you been doing, you useless individual?

1:02:40And he'd been going around the world il felt this was his duty seeing speakers in Commonwealth countries and telling them his experience of being a speaker, because that was the sort of man he was. Do you have a faith? Are you frightened of dying? No, I worry about it. I've been fascinated in the last few days watching the Pope who clearly was a good human being and I'm fascinated by the fact that the Roman Catholic Church, which has 1 ,400 ,000 ,000 supporters has gone up a million and a half before his death so people are clearly turning to faith in these terrible times and these are terrible times I've never known anything like it in my life.

1:03:27Back to you three more quick ones we've had the best days that you remember what about the worst night of your life? When Mary got bladder cancer I really thought she was going to die because whereas I got prostate cancer and was told clearly by my surgeon Mr Shah that the odds of survival were very very very good because Mary had pushed me in early I had a PSA and any of you idiots out there listening if you are men aged 40 to 50 and you haven't gone in to check your PSA your idiots go in tomorrow because I had a wife who pushed me in when my PSA was about 6 5 et 1 ,5, 6 She then pushed me into having an operation Then Mary got bladder cancer Which is very, very different But when I saw her go into the operating theatre Yes, I did think she was going to die You can be funny about these things later Because I then went to see She was operated on By a wonderful man called Bill Turner With the professor present But she was chairman of the hospital at the time So I went to see them to thank them Et le professeur dit, «Jévery, je voudrais vous penser que c 'est que tu ne sais pas que tu ne sais pas.

1:05:08qui je suis en such admiration de un homme called Sir Tommy McPherson il y a il est interesting to see les listening to this MC MC MC Quoi de guerre Quoi de guerre Quoi de guerre Légion d 'un knighthood by the age of 28 what oh staggering absolutely staggering one of the truly great heroes of the second world war Sir Tommy McPherson MC MC MC, quad de guerre, quad de guerre, li chandonnaire. My God. And I came across him at a young age, but he was so modest that I hadn't any idea what he'd done. And my dearest friend, my best man, Adrian Metcalf, told me he'd been a world-class athlete. Well, that was fine.

1:05:51Jolly good. And then we learnt that he'd got the MC, and then we learnt he'd got three MCs. And this went on and on until one realised one was in the presence of a very remarkable man, because I know I could not win three MCs. I don't have that sort of physical courage. And what he must have gone through, I remember one of the things I read, and he finally, at the age of 90, wrote his biography, was that for four years during the Second World War, he never slept in the same bed. And what a giant. I remember we were at the Mansion House to hear a speech from Seb Coe on the London Olympics. And he was sitting right at the very end.

1:06:33et Seb looked at me et I looked at Seb et nous walked along to the end et nous fell on our knees et nous disons et nous disons bonjour et le monde le monde ne savait à nous non de nous ne savait qui il était ils ne savait par le fin de l 'année wow il était il était il était vous demandez un Scotsman et ils vous disent vous direz avec le prêtre il était le plus decorated de la seconde de la guerre et vous vous évidemment les gens will remember you because they love your novels Cain and Abel in particular I suppose that's your most successful one isn't it? It's on its 142nd reprint Congratulations well done to you and there's more to come possibly the best is yet to come I had an idea six years ago for a novel picked it up by mistake reading a speech by Hitler and then the contrary speech so to speak by Churchill on the same subject and I thought wow, what a subject for a novel here were these two men neither in power discussing this thing and then I followed it through with more and more and more research until I realised it was a story that I'm not saying everyone had missed but no one had thought was that important and would have changed the world war literally changed the history of this country and I've been working on that for six years et Anne, l 'out fifteen 'e читait dem Damit de Noir...

1:08:03C 'est... C 'est Eman, enожez-vous premie cet d 'Help Bossy en As you ? O pulsant et pour convincing tu as j 'ai toujours dit. Donc, qu 'en a roger... tu n 'as eadou它 ? C 'est peut -être comme moi tout? C 'est une des erreur... vous n 'avez pas beaucoup quand vous parlez c 'est un et deux chaque fois que vous parlez de quelqu 'un d 'autre imagine qu 'ils entendent

1:08:44c 'est un et donc c 'est un qui est intéressant parce que je pensais que vous avez appris I've learnt that you need energy and perseverance all of which you do say but those answers were very good and I hope I've listened sufficiently and I know anyone hearing on the other side what you've been saying about them would have been pleased Geoffrey Archer, thank you very much Thank you, Charles As usual, I'm weeping I always weep Is that good? Are you crying, idiot? Yes, what do you think? We come into good round? My thanks there to Geoffrey Archer. I've got my summer reading. He's done a wonderful series of novels called the William Warwick series, all about a policeman who works his way up through the force.

1:09:35And the one I'm reading at the moment, I think is the most recent one, now out in paperback, An Eye for an Eye. But, goodness gracious me, from the Cain and Abel series, through the Clifton Chronicles, through the William Warwick series, so many novels, from Not a Penny More, Not a Penny Less, Through to Heads You Win, my goodness, and Short Stories 2. If you don't know Geoffrey's work, he always recommends, and I do too, that you start with one of his collections of short stories, because there always is a twist in the tale. We need to catch up on the emails. Harriet, please, share an email before we go.

1:10:15Oh, the other day we were talking about Mr Kipling Cakes, parce que je m 'assois à Harriet ce qu 'elle a été passionné en life et elle a dit «Cakes ». Je me souviens que c 'était la musique ou peut -être la works de Haydn ou Handel ou peut -être la saison ou la montagneire ou la poterie, mais non, «Cakes ». Et elle a été conçue avec la line «Cakes ». Et puis on a bondé parce que nous avons été très aimés que nous avons vraiment aimé Mr. Kipling's French fancies. Je vais pour les pinks, elle va pour les yellows parce que c 'est un petit lemony flavour. Donc, nous avons eu l 'aliment sur Mr Kipling, qui, pas le poète, il a fait un excellent excellent poète, mais Mr Kipling, qui a fait un excellent excellent bon cakes.

1:10:59Nous avons eu l 'avantage de correspondences de tout le monde qui s 'est passé, mais pas, unfortunately, de l 'unité de Mr Kipling himself. Mais, no doubt, c 'est venuant, c 'est juste queirant avec, vous savez, le pouvoir de la be. Le premier est de Marie Willey. I'm so glad to hear you're both Mr Kipling fans I love his exceedingly good cakes But having been given the pre-diabetic red card recently I'm trying hard to rein it in Anyway, talk of Mr Kipling always takes me right back to 1976 When I moved to London from the north-east with a friend And we lived in a shared dorm in Lancaster Gate Which was owned by the civil service I was a skinny little thing then et d 'être souvent en la nuit, en starving.

1:11:48C 'est quand Mr Kipling venait à la rescue, à la fois qu 'il y avait un tasse de almond slices dans ma wardrobe, parfait pour un minuit snack. Unfortunately, ils attractent cockroaches, et les cinq autres filles je partage de la dorme avec ne sont pas plus pleins. «Pleez, invite me à votre fondant fancié, je vais vous donner les almonds et les almonds. Love the pod, All the best, Marie Isn't that charming? We're thinking, we are great advocates Of Mr Kipling's cakes And we do our show often From our special studio At Grosvenor House Hotel In London's Park Lane Where we might try and do before Christmas Maybe a Mr Kipling tea With some fondant fancies And some of our correspondents can be invited to come along Alright, oh there's another Mr Kipling story This time from Jackie Verrill I'm hoping to share a story with you About Mr Kipling and his cakes During lockdown Some of my neighbours and I Used to get together And have a strategically distanced drink Or sundowner As you can imagine Conversation was often forced But we stuck with it And one day My neighbour said to me How much she loved Rottingdean It's a suburb to the east of Brighton I suggested she go there To wander around And maybe sit in Kipling's garden I was going to go on to say She could take one of his books And read it there However, before I could suggest that She came back with Oh, Mr Kipling I love his cherry bakewells Is that where he lives?

1:13:26Her husband did have the good grace To look slightly sheepish And the silence that pervaded over the group Was simply priceless I'm not sure anyone had the heart Or the courage To put the young lady right I promise you That's a true story et je pense que je suis à l 'histoire de Mr Kipling's house le poet Kipling's house je suis à l 'histoire de Bateman's c 'est le nom de la maison je me suis complètement fascinée je dis que je me suis fascinée je ne me souviens pas un peu plus de ça except que je savais que la nationale trust a la t-roi parce que, comme je suis concerné la nationale truste est essentiellement la t-roi avec une interesting property attaché je pense qu 'ils resistent la t-temptation being the National Trust.

1:14:10If I were the National Trust, I would only serve Mr Kipling cakes at Bateman's. If you have been to Bateman's, or if you are Bateman's, or if you are the National Trust, please get in touch and show us you've got a great sense of humour and you do indeed serve Mr Kipling's cakes at Bateman's. I hope you do. I hope you do. That's it. That's my lot for this week on Rosebud. I'm off to stuff my face full of French fancies. I know I'm going to be cancelled one of these days. Oh look, there's Harriet pulling out the plug.

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