Shaq & Kevin Durant: The War Over The Ultimate Starting 5

0:00If Shaq, Kobe, Ori, etc. was playing in this era, they'd be winning championships. My team is gonna beat all you guys' asses. I mean, it's gonna be hard to stop Shaquille O 'Neal in the post with dudes that's not even 7 feet. Steph is good. Steph can at any point just put up 70 points. No, no, no, no, no. Not against that. Hey, don't start that shit with Giannis and Tim Duncan. Four got their own categories called Power Forward. We need to switch attacks, though. We can't just play one way. We gotta play two or three ways. That's why the great teams win. and they play two or three different ways.

0:31I mean, Shaq's team is going to win. Your team is out. I think this air is the best. I can't believe he's saying that, Shaq. I mean, it's crazy that he's saying that. Listen, KD like your list, but if you play my team, you're getting fucking swept. All right, well, maybe we can make some trades later. No, no, no, no trades. I cannot take this conversation about skills hire. You got to stop this. The most famous super agents. Hollywood super agent. Super agent Ari Emanuel. Famously, the inspiration for the Ari Gold character in Entourage. Welcome to Rushmore. We are the civilians. The experts are here.

1:11Are we discussing an era of basketball? And are we discussing who will be the coach? I'm asking the professionals here. I would use every player that's ever played. And yeah, I never used the coach, but that would be a cool idea. Because I think that would determine how your office is going to run. That definitely changes my team around. Yeah, there you go. And what about the era? Like the rules? Yeah, because back when it was Jordan rules, it was different compared to… I would always say this. I would think Shaq would love playing in this era more. Oh, I would. You scored 70. Just for the simple fact that there's a spacer.

1:58And he can get more assists. And he can't double team as easy. So are we saying the top five that is the most competitive in any era? Or are we saying the top five that's the most competitive right now? No, I think in any era. If you took any of these five players, you put them in 75. I think this era is the best. This era? It's crazy. I agree. I'm going there early. What? Are you saying also that Shaq would love this era because there's more three-point shooting that opens? Everybody's got to play the wings? I feel like it's way more space for Shaq to operate. It's way more skilled players, so he don't have to do as much.

2:40I can't believe he's saying that, Shaq. I mean, it's crazy that he's saying that. Shaq would be getting triple doubles. He would be getting more rebounds, and he would score more points. I think he's right. I agree. Shaq, you want to make the argument? Score more points, yes. More rebounds, maybe. There's more shots going up, so there's more rebounds. And there's more shooters, so you can pass out of the double teams. You can pass pretty well, big fella, but he was passing to guys who couldn't really shoot that well. Yeah, that's true. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. You don't think Kobe could shoot that well?

3:09No, I'm talking about the whole team now. Ori couldn't shoot that well? Instead of three guys that could shoot, it's like nine guys that could shoot. We had Fox, we had Ori, and we had Fish all shooting. That's why they were good. They had more shooters than everybody. That's true. Yeah, but I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with my good guy KD and tell me how this era is better. I mean, I think like KD played in two different eras. I think I could also play in two different eras, but I don't think I would like all that shooting, KD, because you know me. I'm going to like you. I want the motherfucking ball all the time.

3:40I want to answer you a question, Shaq, or maybe KD. You can answer this. as it relates to a coach in any era, Kerr, Phil, Sloan, those guys, I think they could play in any era. I don't think Phil will work in this era. You don't? Why not? No, because Phil's thing had a lot to do with philosophy, concentration. and I think this era is a little bit all over the place. Yeah. You know, and how they approach, you know, the things they do. What do you mean by that? They're just all over the place. They're just jacking stuff up. What I will say, what I will say, Steve Kerr implemented some of the triangle with us with Golden State and we moved off the ball.

4:34A lot of stuff that we was doing was with the Lakers and the Bulls was doing. but we definitely play way more random basketball, like Shaq saying, than they did back in the day. Every play was called. Yeah, it's like we might, Steph might come down and just pull as soon as he come across half court, or I might do the same, or Klay, without even calling a play sometimes. You know what I'm saying? But we also might run a set all the way through. We hit the post, and we back cut, and we hit a guy coming off. That's Phil. That's the Phil side. And we've put in the street ball side of it. You think that's because the skill level is higher now that there's more freedom?

5:12I cannot take this conversation about skills higher. You've got to stop this. I wouldn't say it was higher or lower. I would say that we have more guys that handle the basketball and shoot outside the three-point line. So in order for them to play into their strengths, you need to play more of a free-flowing style of basketball. But wait a second. In the playoffs when it counts, the game slows down, game gets more physical all that three-point shit is is yes you need it because you need to be able to pass out to the wings and open but it comes down to the man on the box you need to switch attacks though we need to switch attacks though we can't just play one way we gotta play two or three ways that's why the great teams win they play two or three different ways Shaq and them can play fast but they also throw that motherfucker down there to the post now let me just tell you But we can still play fast.

6:04If Shaq, Kobe, Ori, et cetera, was playing in this era, they'd be winning championships. I mean, it's going to be hard to stop Shaquille O 'Neal in the post with dudes that's not even seven feet, of course. And then you got Kobe and Phil and shooters and length. It wasn't just them. They had length around them, two sides. You know, that would have been tough, for sure. But I like our three-point shooter. The problem is when you got KD, Steph, and Klay on the team, guys that are bona fide shooters and they win a championship now you got a copycat league that's trying to say okay we're going to play like these guys a lot of guys play that way but you're not shooters there's a difference between like kd is a is a pmfs a prolific motherfucking score and he's a shooter shooter clay is a shooter like but they have a big man yeah but but but but you You know, with KD, if his shot's not falling, he still can fucking score.

7:04A lot of these teams, you guys can hit a shot, but you're not shooters. So that's why they don't have a lot of success. And then you add the analytics in it. Oh, a guy's shooting 30%. 30 % in my school is a fucking F. That's not good to me. 34%, 35 % is not good to me. What's the average now in the league? Field goal or three points? What's the average now in the league? For three-pointer? A good three-point percentage. It's like 36 they considered a good three-pointer. I don't think that's it. But I'm looking at it like 42 is a good three-point percentage to me. Right, I agree with that. What's Steph's shot career-wise, like 44, 43?

7:45Yeah, like 43, yeah, 43, 44. Okay, I'm going to say that we have to pick a coach. And if you guys have to rearrange your team, you got to pick a coach in addition to the five. I like that. I like it too. Are you okay with that, Shaq? Yep, I'm picking Phil Jackson. Okay. Okay, so, Shaq, you want to start? You've already started. You've got to start, Shaq. I'll start.

8:11You pick yourself. You have to pick yourself. You can't pick people. Yeah, I'm picking. So, I can pick players or we pick and put by that, you know, position stuff. You're picking players. You don't have to say positions. Well, you could. You don't have to say positions? No. You can just pick any one. Okay, why not? Why not? Okay, fine. Pick, say. Okay, okay. Okay, but if I say Michael Jordan is a three, will you get upset? I mean, you can put them in any position you want. Michael Jordan is a three. Michael Jordan is not a three. No, I know, but you could, if you wanted to, be like, hey, I have Michael at five.

8:44It just would be stupid. But you could say that if you wanted to. Okay, Michael is two. All right. You know, when he came out of college and people were asking, should I pick Michael? Somebody said, pick him, and if you need to put him at center, play him at center. so that's what they said coming out of college about him alright I got Magic at the 1 because he's real fancy with the ball he goes motherfucking I'm having my team looking good I got Kobe at 2 I got Jordan at the 3

9:22I got Malone at the 4 wow Wow. Wow. And I got Akeem Olajuwon at the five. So you didn't pick yourself? I was told I couldn't pick myself. No, you pick yourself. You can't pick KD. KD cannot pick you. Oh, I got it. All right. Well, hold on. Go back. Go back. Magic. Kobe, Mike. Malone. And you? No, I'm going to go with it. I'm going to go with a king. Okay. Wow. Let me just say something. We had this bet, and he says to me, KD, Shaq, and myself are going to have the same five. You're out, Ari. I said, okay, we'll see. That's what I thought. Okay. Shut the fuck up. Okay. All right, KD, you. KD, who's your coach?

10:18Mine? Yeah. You want to start with Coach? No, no. Who's your coach? You don't have to start with Coach. Start with whatever you want. George Carl. Oh, George Cole. You're fucking right. I'm going to go Steve Kerr since we won championships together. And that's Phil's protege. So I'm going to go Steve Kerr. Didn't he almost go to the Knicks at one point before he went to Golden State? I heard that story, yeah. Yeah. Good decision by him. Yeah. Pick the right players. All right. My point guard, I'm going to go LeBron at my point. Oh. I couldn't imagine being more wrong Wow I'm going to LeBron

11:02I'm going since you took Kobe and M I'm going to I'm going to Trace McGrady out of my two guard Wow Damn Yeah I hate doing these things because you be leaving people out Trace Hey let me tell you something T-Mac was a bad boy A problem You know who was a bad boy? Your guy in Orlando was a bad boy. He was the original bad boy. He was, too. Oh, my God. His moves were crazy. So I'm going to go Brown at the point, T-Mac two. I'm going to go three. I'm going KG at the four. Damn. Wow. And then since Big Pellet didn't choose himself, he's going to start my five. You can't pick him. The rules have changed.

11:52He didn't pick himself, though. He didn't pick himself. You picked yourself. You can't pick him. I was going to pick Hakeem because he was going to pick himself. Oh, since he picked Hakeem, you're going to pick him? Yes. Okay. So, hold on, hold on, hold on. Would you like to make a straight-up trade? I would love that trade if you want yourself. All right, deal. Let's do it. All right, deal. All right, deal. So, I got Bron, T-Mac, myself, KG, and Hakeem. Okay. Wow. Wow. A trade happened before the deadline. First ever. First ever. And look, you know what's crazy? I've been thinking about this conversation all day, and I was saying, I know the team I'm going to pick will sweep anybody.

12:36That would be a motherfucking six, seven-game series right there. That team right there is. It would. Damn. That's crazy. Because you got 6 '10 all the way down the board, and they all could do different things. I wouldn't even think about that. Damn, T-Mac. Damn, boy. I want to ask you a question. That's a crazy squad. I want to ask you a question. Oh, my God. In Portland, they had, like T-Mac, one of the great, was he 6 '10"? Was he 6 '10"? Before he, yeah, he was 6 '10", 6 '11". Who? He Wallace? Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's a good one, too. I mean, he take you down in the post, he'll shoot the three on you, and he's nasty.

13:14Yeah. He was a problem. He was a problem, too. He was a big, bad problem. all right ben hit it and i'm not trading with you i don't want any of your players okay um good ass list kd that's a great list i've been thinking about it brother also um all right i'm playing shit i'm playing that there's never been a video game like this right i mean i don't think i mean nba live you can you can actually there's this new thing you guys seen this shit like it's called like better oh wait wait wait all right you're fucking genius if you fucking do this video game without putting it in. No, no, you guys, you guys, you guys, we wet the beaks.

13:51We wet the beaks. Because let me just say something. All right. Let me just say something. Let me just say something. Let me just say something. My partner, Egon Durbin, just took EA private. I'm going to call him right after this. And guess what? I knew that. That's what I'm saying. Oh, you're already thinking about your role. You're already thinking about how much. Yeah. Yeah. We're all equal. Okay. Good. Okay. All right, I'm going Steph at one. What era? Because if he played during the Jordan Rules. In the era. In the era. His head would be knocked off. What are you talking about? Any era. I already picked magic.

14:34In the era. Any era. Steph is one. Jordan is two. Braun is three. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How are you going to pick Jordan? He got Jordan already. You can't do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Well, you know what? Well, this is the dumbest list ever. What kind of game we playing in? OK. Wait, I'm not allowed to pick anybody if they've already been picked? I mean, we just switched the rules up. No, we didn't switch the rules. You guys just made the rules up. We just traded. You guys traded. That wasn't in the pocket. I mean, I'm down. If we have to go on, we can't keep picking the top 15 players I would have gone first.

15:12Fuck you guys. OK, fine. We got to adjust. We got to adjust. I like Josh. I like Josh. You better. Learn the game. Learn the history better than most, man. All right. I like this. I like this. I like this. Fuck you both. You got a coach now, too. Fuck you both. Like, oh, fuck you. All right. All right. For four, I'm going to put Duncan. Ooh. Can you tell us your first, please? Four? What? Can you tell us your coach before all of this, please? Um, who's my coach? I'm going to have Pat Riley be my coach Hey that's an underrated Grab right there You ain't going to do shit Pat's too hard and you can't take it Um Okay who am I doing Who am I doing at five Oh god this sucks I don't know if y 'all going to make the body fat test Down there with Pat Is there a body fat test Yeah man No, no, no.

16:10You got to stay right down there. Hold on. What does that even mean? Go ahead. If you're not in condition, you can't play. So he would test your body fat at the beginning and then at the beginning? That's what I heard. Shaq could know more than me. Guards would have to be three to five. Three to five percent body fat? Yes. Powerful. That's amazing. Yes. Side of seven. Big guys have to be under 10. And he gave me a special.

16:39He gave you a special pass? Yeah. I had to be under 15. He said stay big? Yeah, because I told myself, man, I ain't doing 10%. You can cancel that shit. Come on now. You guys almost got into it, right? Not over that. You did. Yeah. You did. Then I got traded. Yeah. Damn, this is OK. F5. Wow. I'm going to say Wilt. Mm. Boo. Mm. At three, I'm going to say, wow, this fucks me up. Yeah, it does. I'm the last. I got scraps here. This show should be called Do You Know the Game or Not? At three, I'm going to say, this is kind of crazy, but I'm going to put Bird at three. Okay. So you say Steph and Steph, who's your two?

17:26My two, I'm going to put.

17:33Oh, my God. This is crazy for me. Has Braun been chosen yet? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Braun's been chosen. Yeah. I'm going to put Kawhi. Oh. See, I like where you're going right now, brother. Hey, hey. Doing your thing, right? All right. So I got Steph as one, Kawhi at two, Bird at three, Duncan at four, Wilt at five. Listen. And then Pat's coaching. Listen, KD like your list, but if you play my team, you're getting fucking swept. All right. Well, maybe we can make some trades later. No, no, no. No trade. I don't want nobody on your team. So we got to talk now about Lovable. Again. Because I don't think people realize, because I would definitely not know how to build a website.

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20:25I feel like you have to draft, but I see people with like all-star squads. So I'm not sure. I would figure it out. I've seen that too. Yeah. We should check that out. All right. So my coach would be the former coach of San Antonio. Pop is my coach. Still. So Akeem has been taken. Yep. Suck's going last now. Yeah. He usually goes last so he can cheat a little bit, but this time it's fucking him. Next now next show you got to do a lottery now. Hold on one second. Hold on one second Um, I'm gonna take What the fuck was his name on what's his name that played with pip in Portland before he came over when he was a little older, but when his younger days bonus some bonus You play some bonus at five?

21:18Shut up. I don't think you making the playoffs Well, let me just kind of – all you guys took my centers. Bro, there's a – there's some centers out there, man. You could take him or you could take – There are centers in the league right now. Well, I think – You got 30 seconds. You got 30 seconds to choose your centers. Don't put me on the clock here. I'm not on the clock, KD. Come on now. Let me just say, Denver has one of the great centers of all time. Ready? I'm going to take Hakeem Olajuwon. Who's that taken? Hakeem's been taken. Okay. I got him now. Okay. I traded for him. Okay. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar take Love that Okay I'm going to take Kevin you took you Yes I'm at three Jordan's been taken I'm going to take Scottie Pippen At the three

22:12I'm going to take your former guard At the one Shaq Penny I'm going to take Huh? I like that choice. I'm going to take Rasheed at four. Yep.

22:32And then I'm taking Victor. Wait, wait. We don't got a two. So you're putting Victor at your three? No, I'm saying. You're going to put Kareem. Oh, I guess we just shoot everybody down. So Scottie would play two. Rasheed would play three. You got Kareem and Victor. We running y 'all in the game. No, you're not. You ain't getting, your shit's getting swatted. All right, that's not a bad team. That's not a bad team. Thank you, KD. That's not a bad team. It would have been more fair. You know, I got to say, it would have been more fair if all of us could have picked Jordan. Or if we just drafted.

23:08Like, we each got one pick, we each got a second pick. Aren't we sick of that? No, but, okay, I agree with Ben. But then, if we all drafted and went 1-1-1 so that you guys just didn't take everybody off the table. You see how we invented a new show, a new format? I love that. Yeah. You think you're running us off the court? Yes. No. Yes. No. Yeah, I think me and Shaq can meet up in the finals. If this was an Eastern Conference, Western Conference, we – I don't know. I think my squad's kind of got – I think my squad's – Okay, so we got – let's go – we got to pick one squad now. We got to – first of all, it's – who am I playing against right now?

23:50to go to the finals. Me? Which team? Why do you say you? Like, who are you to say you? He's on the squad. My squad. I'll put the squad together. I mean, you guys took everybody before I got there. Everybody got taken off the table before I got there. This is bullshit. We should redo this and draft. Nope. Nope. You know, the problem is, I actually just thought about, I didn't even put Barkley on my list or Dr. J. Dude, let's follow. You can make a new with even with take everybody. You know what we should do right now? Who's got a phone on them? Shaq, you got a phone on you? I can't even get. Hold on.

24:28You know what we should do? We should ask Grock. We should ask. We should have to chat to Claude. And I bet you they give us a funny five. You're talking to him right now. And I'm like Grock when it comes to this shit right now. Shaq, you're Claude. Dude, you can make a squad right now without any of these main... Did LeBron get on that list? LeBron's on Shaq's team. LeBron's my point guard. LeBron's your point guard? Oh, yeah, Bron's on KD's team. Bron's playing point guard. And you picked Kobe, right, Shaq? All right. Honestly, you've got a new squad. And Mike. Should go around one more time, still choosing without all these people?

25:15Well, for me, it was between you, Shaq, and Akeem Olajuwon. He had one of the greatest seasons in 93-94 where he won everything. And when he played you as a rookie. All right, you know what? Since you're crying and complaining, I got two similar players. I will trade you straight up, Michael, for Penny. Ooh. Let me see. I'm taking that trade. Shaq's offering you MJ for Penny. Yes, go on. But guess what? Kobe is similar to Mike, so I got a scorer. Now I got two guys. Kobe's similar, but he ain't Mike. Oh, well, he's close. But guess what? He's close enough because I'm giving you 30. Penny going to get Kobe 30.

25:59Kobe going to get his own 30. Penny going to give me some. Magic going to give me some. And Malone going to get the rebound. So wait a second. Where's Penny and Magic? You're going to play two points? Oh, Penny can convert to a two, and you know that. Because guess what? When Penny first came, he was two. Was he? Yeah, Scott Skiles. Oh, that's right. Scott Skiles was, yeah. Then you got rid of his ass. I'll take care of Jay. Who do I have then? You have? All right, we've made a swap. We've made a swap for Penny. Penny's calling me. I got a question, though, Shaq. Real shit. Regardless of how long Penny played, talent for talent, skill for skill.

26:41Is he a top five point guard? He's a... What was he? Six? What was he? Six? Nine? Who are the five? Was he six? Nine, Shaq? Hold on. I gotta answer KD's question. Give me some names, KD. I'm thinking like Steph, Magic, uh, uh, Russ. Steph ain't no point guard. Come on, though. Y 'all not calling Steph a point? He's a point guard. He's not a point guard. He's a shooting guard. Zach wouldn't call Giannis a big man. Magic. Giannis, hey, don't start that shit with Giannis and Tim Duncan. They're not fucking big men. They're powerful. Duncan is a big man. Don't start. Duncan's not a fucking big man.

27:23Do not. Giannis is a four. Giannis is an undeniable four. Okay, guess what? Four ain't big man. Four got their own categories. It's called power forward. Who are your top five point guards? Let's answer Katie's question. Who are your top five point guards? First of all, what the sauce are you eating right now? Yeah, seriously, it looks really good. It looks really tasty. That's delicious. Gummy. Wait a second. Do we get points in that since we just put it on here? Yes, you do. Okay. Steph is undeniably a point card. I don't think it is. Well, you got Allen Iverson. Hold on. Let me have to take it.

28:00Okay. I like magic. I like Isaiah I like Brody Russ Russ That's three

28:20I gotta go with Stockton 100 % Okay Alright so it's Penny No we got Any given night Better than these dudes What's mine? You only did four We need five What'd you say, Katie? I said on any given night, can Penny be better than these dudes? Yes. So Tyler for Tyler, skill for skill, he is up there with top point guards ever. But because of these societal rules where he didn't play long enough. Yeah, injuries. And all that, people will probably forget about him. That's crazy. You can't forget about him. Man, he was ridiculous. You'll never forget about Penny. He had moves that were so crazy when he was at the free throw line, when he was taking people down.

29:05It was crazy. Yeah. But the new era don't get it with Penny. They don't. Did you accept my trade? I always accept the trade when it comes to MJ. Always. So are we factoring in longevity into this? No. So you're taking the player's best season? Stop it. Stop it. No. My team is going to beat all you guys. All right, let's just read. What about something like D. Rose? MVP years of all these dudes. MVP years only. All right. So let's read Shaq's list now with the trade. Shaq's list is Magic, Kobe, Penny. I guess Penny's playing. I'm not sure what you're doing with that team, but Magic. They position list.

29:48They don't even need to be playing. Magic, Kobe, Penny, Malone, Shaq. Malone's guy go Malone. That list, Malone's your weak link. Malone's a bowler. He's going to get... He's 6 '9". He's going to get... 32 ,000 points. He's going to get destroyed in that. He's going to get run off the court. By who? By everybody. This is my favorite time about sports. You got basketball starting, football starting, got hockey starting. Draft Kings just brings it all together. It's an incredible place to kind of make all your predictions, all your bets. You know what I love so much about basketball season? What?

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31:28Availability varies. Predictions offer void in New York. Bet to get bonus bets that expire in seven days. Trade to get predictions dollars that expire in one year. $50 in rewards issued every seven days via click to claim for 21 days. One non-withdrawable reward redeemable. Terms at dkng.co slash offer. Limited time offer. Nationwide based on sportsbook predictions and free-to-play sports contest availability varies by state. KD, read KD's list. KD's got the swaggiest team. Oh, strong as him. He's got Braun. He's got T-Mac. He's got himself. He's got KG. And he's got Hakeem to five. And that's the only team that scares me.

32:02That's a beast of a team. That's a monster right there. That's a monster right there. That team right there, it ain't no busting through that team. Like, we're going to have to do it. Ain't no weak links on that one. Ain't no weak links on that one. Everybody can score on that list. Yeah. Everybody can play. And everybody can play defense. Yeah. All right. So we got, I mean, it's going to be, based on how we did this, in my team, Steph, Kawhi, Larry Bird, Duncan, and Wilt. Your team. You guys ain't going to win a game. Too small. You're going to win a fucking game. The best of seven, you're getting swept.

32:38Too small for me. That's Garbrandt? No way. Yeah. No, Steph is going to struggle Garbrandt. Steph is going to struggle. That's no way. Okay. That's what I said. But the thing about, actually, I guess. Beat my list. Stop talking. Your list is MJ, Scotty, Rasheed, Kareem, and Wemby. That's a tough team. No, no, I think, I think, now Ari might got the third best team. You don't look crazy. What? Who? Yeah, you got the third best team. Think about the size you have there. And let me just tell you something. You got Penny? Let me just tell you something. I don't give a fuck what you said. Scotty is going to fucking eat his ass up.

33:23Also, I'm having... Yeah, don't say that. Oh, one second. They played you when Mike... Stop. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Hold on. When Mike did what? He came back after playing baseball. The next year, he swept your ass. Swept you. He took the L when he came back. Hold on. He swept your ass in four. Hold on. Hold on. He came back after playing baseball. And you were at the heyday of Shaq. Can I finish? Can I finish? Yes, you can. He came back and played golf. He had some time off. Remember when he scored 55 in the garden? And that's when everybody was like, ooh, Mike is back. So now that Mike is back, Mike is fucking back.

34:00No, he only played like 20 games and came back. He had 55 in the garden. You guys got lucky stealing him from the backside. Shut up. The next year you got swept. I agree with Shaq on that. You got swept. That was the year after we beat him. Yeah. He had just come back from baseball. He just came back for baseball. When he had a full prep season, he swept your ass with Scottie. And Scottie Pippen was on the bench. You were full Shaq at that point. Full Shaq. You had just gotten through Akeem Olajuwon. You learned all that stuff. You were full Shaq. Penny, all your shooters, da-da-da-da. Michael and Scottie beat your guys' ass up four in a row.

34:43After I beat him. Say yes. Say yes. You were the only one to beat him. You were the only one that beat him when he came back. And let me just say something. The next year, he took it out on you. Seth, you could have avoided this entire thing by not trading him. Am I wrong, KD? No, you didn't. That's not wrong either, though, brother. Thank you. He came back only. He only had 15 or 20 games under his belt from baseball for years. MJ wouldn't even like this. Everybody was going crazy. Ooh, Mike's back. Oh, shut up. And you know what? MJ wouldn't even want that. You know what, Scottie did the penny in that game?

35:14Four games in a row? He ate him up. Go back and look. Look, I looked at that game. I was at two of those games. I was at two of those games. Destroyed him. That dude was a beast. He could play all four positions. All that yelling, Ari Barkley, you still got the third best team. Okay, my team is beating Ari's team. Let me ask you a question. He wasn't an unbelievable, unbelievable player, Pip. Yeah. Oh, my. Him and Panty don't get their just due. Oh, Scottie gets his. Scottie got, what, five, six rings? Scottie gets his. He's got six rings. Scottie is perfectly rated, man. I don't get why I think he's like, well, you think he's the best small forward ever?

36:03Yes, I do. Stop it, all right, come on, man. All right, who's better? This man is better. LeBron James is better. No, he's not. Yeah, LeBron James is better. Scottie averaged over 25 points a game? Yeah, KD is better. KD is better. Come on, brother. Stop it, Ari. Come on, brother. Scottie's great. I think he's got six. But it's just expectations on an individual is just different. He got six, right? You didn't expect Scottie to do what we was doing, man. Michael got six, and Scottie was along for the ride. Here we go. We're not talking Rodman again, are we? We're not going to talk Rodman again, are we?

36:39I got Bird Guard. I'm going to have Bird Guard Braun. That's not guarding Braun Braun. That's not happening. Not happening. Yeah, that's happening. So who's Steph guarding? Steph is going to struggle guarding T-Mac, but that's who he's guarding. Oh, no. He's going to get struggling to work, or are you going to get killed? Yeah. Nobody else is shooting but T-Mac. That game, because Steph is the shortest guy. He can't. Come on now. Yeah. At least Bron didn't try to play point guard. That'd be easier for Steph to, like. But T-Mac, he's going to try to get 50. It's going to be tough. It's going to be tough, though.

37:14It's going to be tough because we got to play defense, but I like our defense switching everything. Hey, KD, did you ever hear the conversation Shaq had about Rodman? Tell him what you thought about Rodman on the Bulls, Shaq. Tell him. You tell him. No, you tell him because I don't believe what you said. Yes, you do. No, I don't. Tell him what I said because I don't want to. He goes, Michael had a double team or Scottie had a double team. He was just tipping in balls or getting rebounds. Nobody around. He's easy. Oh, for sure. Thank you. Oh, for sure. For sure. Nobody cared about him, so he was just easy for him to grab rebounds when nobody cares about you.

37:55He was great at it, though. He was great at it, but he had to do something. Stop it, Ari. Okay. You can't score. You know what we should do on this one? When it goes up on Twitter, we should just let everybody vote. Who's going to be in the finals? I mean, Shaq's team is going to win. Your team is out. What the fuck are you talking about? I think to be candid, to give him credit because he had the second choice, I do believe, KD, you got to be Steph. Steph is good. Steph can at any point just put up 70 points. No, he can't. No, no, no. Not against that. Not against that. No, he's not. No, he's not.

38:30Don't just say that. That means he just head over heels better than everybody on these lists? No way. No, he just can pull up from Reverend. No. 70 points on these dudes? No way. No way. I'm talking on my ass with that, but he can just pull up. The only reason why KD team worries me because nobody's on that team this time. And as KD knows, when you're playing against a hard motherfucker, you don't have to beat him. You got to destroy him, which is very tough to do. Yeah. Like KG going to be talking. KD going to be talking. T-Mac going to be talking. Like, and then those are guys. On that team, KD, who's the biggest talker?

39:11KG. I would say on that TV, KG for sure. He's the gnarliest. And Ari, no great player likes to have two bad games in a row. So if we beat that team, let's just say we beat them at 15, we better come to play the next game. Right. All right. So between KD and Shaq's team, who's our final five here? Because I think it's between their two teams. Yes, because y 'all two teams suck. Yeah, we all together. Y 'all had first and second pick. We didn't make this fair. We had to do it as a draft. This is your podcast. You sent me the one. I know. I fucked it up. I fucked it up. We're guests. Yeah. Yeah. And then you guys start trading, making your own fucking rules.

39:54And then you want poison the goddamn video game. It's fucking unbelievable. I'm trying to make some money here. I got kids in college.

40:05Say hi to my Leo for me. I will. The KD. His son and my son playing in one through eighth grade, playing on basketball together. They've remained friends. It's fantastic. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. Yeah. That's fun. How's your son doing? Shaq. Oh, he's good. Yeah? He's good. Okay, between your two teams, seven-game series, finals, East Coast, West Coast. Well, I mean, my team is going to win. And I know KD going through the same thing. Read Shaq's email. One more time. Shaq's got Magic, Kobe, Penny, Malone, and himself. You got a Malone problem there. Malone is not a problem. Malone's not a problem.

40:50Because guess what? Penny and Malone on that pick and roll. KD will tell you. You can't stop Malone on that pick and roll. No, he's too strong going down that paint. No, but Shaq's got the same problem. All right, Penny. And Penny, you have Kerr and you have Phil, right? Yeah, I got Phil. Phil. And then KD's got Braun. I got the new era of Phil. He got Kirk. 2026 version of Phil. He's got Braun. He's got T-Mac. He got... I think that... I think KD's team's winning. Thank you. I think KD's team is winning. I want to ask you a question. You have a Kim Elijah one? Yes. What we're not going to play Shaq in his two rookie years, right?

41:34We're going to complain about that. This is Shaq. Hold on. Hold on. First of all. What year Shaq is this? MVP. Or this is a what? This is a. LA Shaq. No. Yeah. I mean, let me just say. A team's going to have a big problem at that point. Like O-1? O-2 Shaq? O-1 Shaq? Yeah. O-1, O-2 Shaq. That's going to be a big, big-ass problem with Phil. That's a difference. That's a different Shaq and Hakeem seem, though. Yeah, that's exactly right. I think that might be an only problem with Daylight. That's a big problem. But you're going to hack him. Because I came up really like 6 '8". Hakeem's just going to hack him.

42:10Hakeem really like 6 '8", 6 '9". He's not really that tall. Wait, is he really? He's not as tall as I thought he was. I thought he was like a 7 '1". Shaq is legit 7 '1". How tall are you? You mean 6 '11"? Me? 6 '10". 6 '10". He's fucking 6 '11". He's 7 feet. He's 7 feet. 6 '10". And me and Hakeem seeing eye to eye. So it was like, he's not as tall as I thought. I thought he was 7 '1". 7 feet. Here's what we should do on this. We should put it up and have people vote. I think I'm getting all the votes. Let's do that. All right. Yeah. Okay. Gentlemen. All right, guys. Thank you so much. All right, y 'all.

42:45Thank you. It was fun.