Gabriela Hearst

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1:23I remember as if yesterday, the first time I found Gabriela Hearst and fell head over heels for her. I've just been in her flagship store, trying on beautiful dresses, cozy enveloping sweaters, floating skirts, and my kind of shoes. Gabriella looks at fashion and clothes the way the River Cafe looks at food, with simplicity, clarity, precision, and in both senses of the word, taste. Gabriella grew up and now runs a seventh generation ranch in Uruguay in what happens to be my favorite continent. South America. What I love about her clothes is what I love about her culture. The art, the drama, energy, melding of tradition and invention, and the sun.

2:10Living there has always been a dream. Today we're in London, and now we're just going to talk about food, clothes, family, and friendship. I'm head over heels, indeed. Well, it's equally, and I'm so touched by the words that you said, because in this world to see your work by someone like you and even compare it to what you do, that you do with such generosity, because only true generosity can have a place like this. So I'm so happy to be here and talk to you about many things. Thanks to have you here. But I also think that that's kind of what we both do. Sometimes simply say I want people to leave this place feeling better than when they walked in.

2:53And I think we do that with clothes. People have to wear clothes and people have to eat. Yes, and I think that what you recognize is the thing that you do uncompromising to quality of ingredients and who is making the clothes, right? So who are the people that are touching the garments? And who is, what are those ingredients? And where those ingredients come from? That's the responsibility, right? To really know the transparency of that. And that's the difference from something looking good and feeling good. Because I'm also interested in the psychology. And it's my love for women and for our clients that it really drives me.

3:37I mean, it's to hear you say how it makes you feel or when some clients have their suits and they have to go to these difficult meetings and they feel ready. Because in truth, it's not nourishment, but we are putting it on our largest organ, which is our skin, right? And that can change the way we feel. And I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't know the power of transformation that clothes can have. But I think it also can all be related to food, It just made me, it went to a memory. As a kid, I had a lemon tree. Did you? Yeah, and I would eat straight from the lemon tree. I can eat lemons just like I can eat an apple.

4:17And I feel very lucky and blessed to have been this girl, being able to eat the lemons, because I think that's part of how my brain is wired, because I ate so much straight from the land. Like, I mean, dessert would be eating grapes out of the vines, because for shade you would always have vines and the fruits like the maracuchas that are these tropical fruits. What are they called? Maracuchas. What are they? They're like passion fruits but then you also have these other, the birds, because we are in the north close to Brazil and so you would have these different fruits that were so sweet and then you would actually save the nuts and eat the nuts afterwards.

5:00So I grew up eating fruit from the land and I feel very, very lucky and I realized the luxury that that was. Growing up remote, I wanted to get out of there as soon as possible because I wanted to see the world but when I look back to the chance I had in life, right? Of having these luxuries like homemade mayonnaise and all these food straight, like we would make our own butter, everything was, we're two hours and a half from the closest city. You said that living on a ranch was almost like living on a boat. Yes. Your parents were... Ranchers. They were both ranchers. Yeah, and gaucho, from the gaucho tradition, even my mom was a rodeo.

5:46She would compete in rodeos, so my first images as a child was my mother being thrown by a bronco. They would do this, they're called jineteadas, which is like rodeo. but it's not like the amazing display that you're seeing in America with the safeguards. No, this is like the bronco, a tree trunk, and dirt. And no saddle, no saddle. Were there many women who did this? No, no, no. No, because it was a male bastard which she wrote. Did she meet resistance for doing it? Did the men around her say they had to? She's a fierce woman until the day of today. she's quite fierce and she's she was the eldest so i guess in the tradition you have to be a man and my grandfather only had women and so she had that and she worked the ranch i mean she she was she had her hippie moment and i think she had a moment where she where like everybody was taking amphetamines you know the skinny pills and she gone bonkers and the way she got out of that it I was going to the ranch for months, and my grandfather used to make her work like any other hand in the ranch, like wake up at four o 'clock in the morning, hard of cattle, which I did all my lifetime.

7:03I heard cattle every single summer of my life till I was a teenager, and I said to my parents, like, basta, I need to go to Punta del Este, which is the beach resort, with other teenagers. I'm not doing this life that you love so much. So your mother was brought up, and then she wanted you to have the same experience? Yes, she was very much, both of my parents, my dad passed away, did not like cities. They find themselves, my mom will go to Easter Island or Titicaca in Bolivia, anything that's ancestral and true to the history of us as humans. But cities kind of. So when was the first experience for you of going to a city and going to restaurants?

7:48were going so in Montevideo and there were good food in like the small towns too like the thing with Uruguay is that it's a Mesopotamia so it's a land between two rivers so one thing that we have is great ingredients and food and very fertile land so food was always very good of high standards simple but very good where were you schooled I was cool they sent me to Montevideo to the capital city so I was indoctrinated in a British education they sent me to the British school so I sang God Save the Queen every Monday morning our computers were given to us by Margaret Thatcher Prince Anne's visited I would get the pictures of the royal family from the embassy.

8:32It's nothing like being British abroad is this? I mean it's like neither of us are British we can say that. My husband was born in Florence and his father is his great-grandfather I think was British but they kept their British passports they brought the Burberry raincoats Oh, yeah, there was kind of more British than the British. Oh, yeah, they become because you're so far away and so remote and and you can see this you can really see the history of the empires are how they influence you know like even the gaucho pants that everybody associates with our own tradition my family's been there from before so the tradition of gauchos was Chiripas which was like like this cloth and leather.

9:10And the gaucho pants was like late 1800s, overstocked from African wars that would send, you know, the overstock would always be sent to, still like today. Still the same, really. Still the same, but overstocked now is weapons. Yeah, weapons, yeah. But when you were growing up, so then would you all sit down to a meal every night at the table? Yes. I want to know the day in the life of a rancher. wake up very early in in the winter for 35 and in the summer you work up even earlier but then there is siesta you finish working like around 11 30 when the heat starts going up in the summer and the winter is cold and but in the summer there's like siesta for two hours and a half you have breakfast before you started I usually wasn't a big breakfast person but they would eat meat meat was breakfast yeah what do they do usually just curious because we really yeah we breed Merino and angus now but you know you don't you don't slaughter cattle because that's an expensive thing but you eat the the sheep that lunch is around noon yeah and they bring a bell there's like a bell so everybody knows like lunches is here it's a nice sound yeah and in winter you would have a lot of stews, you know, lentil stews.

10:35You have pasta stews. My grandfather, which this is like the boat mentality, was because you're far away, so everything would be accounted for. How much sugar we had, how much flour we had, how much, you know, galleta de campagna. Was he worried about that you were running out, that you knew that you might not have something to eat? Yeah, just knowing your stocks for what you're cooking and planning the meal, because you're cooking for, you know, 12 people. Yeah. Your parents were up early as well. Yeah. Like being in bed late wasn't a look. Yeah. That is. That was not a look. But I would go to the city when I lived with my grandmother when I went to school, and she would spoil me and bring me breakfast in bed.

11:16Nice. Your grandmother did. Yes. So that was like, that's still my favorite thing. That's nice. As a grandmother, I know that feeling. Yes. You know, it's like, be spoiled. Just give them, you know, food as a way of expressing your love. And she did this cake that some of my most memorable food, she made this cake every week, which is like a marble cake. And she would... The chocolate. Yeah, chocolate with vanilla, like the pound marble cake. She would be in front of the soap opera for hours, because always it would be by hand, not the... Yeah, yeah. And she actually took proper cooking classes.

11:54and this cake was so amazing and so incredible because it was the same cake that had been done for like 20, 30 years that everybody wanted my grandmother's cake Do you still have the recipe? I still have her recipe Did somebody make it for you? Everybody had tried to make it and failed from my mom, my aunt and my best friend is Daniel Hum Yes, I know and so he by surprise for my birthday he had his team do it and I cried because it was like the closest it was the closest one yeah did she write the recipe down for you or did you have to try I have their handwriting I have her book with the recipe and there's like notes of her with her handwriting and I don't cook so it's kind of like there but those best those books are very precious I have we've some we've had people come here Tom Hollander the actor I think Chris Scott Thomas she brought hers and that there's a kind of way of grandmother yeah I'd love to see it a grandmother or a mother when the child when they were young and being sent out into the world this is what I'm gonna give you to take with you which is your history of food and the recipes but maybe she left something out she gave it to me she was left it to me and actually she the metal that she wears every day she wore every day I also have it which is like always carrying with me it's a gold medal with Jesus and the Virgin Mary on the other side and she worried every day she had lost a child at a young age she was nine years old of leukemia and I was born just a few years after so I'm named after her so in a way I was like the gift of the family in in and I was if I if there's anyone that's point me rotten it was her do you have sisters or brothers yes I'm the eldest and they're all in your way I have a brother and he has his own ranch and then my sister that is my stepdad had my mom had my twin brother and sister Manuela Magdalena which are like my babies because they were 12 years difference between us and she's a veterinarian nobody loves animals more than my sister but like she's the genius of the family phd like really on you were on this ranch for well so we got wait a minute we got to lunch yes so you all sit down to lunch we have to get through the day you had mental stews or and then what happened after that then you go back to work in the ranch wow you do yeah and that by that point it's sort of and you come back like around when the start before the Sun starts setting and there's like a lot of rules right you don't gallop back ever well because they horses want to come fast home and like so many rules I learned in the ranch that are pliable in life I don't call up to the gal back when you're in a hurry yeah and don't gallop through stones and yeah when near Stoney, do not gallop.

15:03And everything I learned in my life, I learned from the ranch. And you come back and that's when everyone kind of showers and clean up. And something that nobody cleans up better than rural people, right? Because you've been working in the land and then when you clean up, it's like a privilege. To clean up and to dress well. And if you see a gaucho, no matter what it is, there's always a sense of dignity in the way they're dressed. And the relationship of man, horse, and land is something quite sacred in a way. I think it is very specific also to your culture. We spend a lot of time in Mexico, and then we were in Colombia.

15:48My husband did a building, Bogota. We went to... Oh, beautiful. And the time in Peru. and you go the pride, the sense of pride, but there is a definite, what do you say, the pride in the culture. And there's one, this is why I've done ponchos and even when I was working in a French brand in Europe, the first thing I wanted to do was a poncho because a poncho is, there's every hero of Latin America, from Bolivar, San Marti, Artigas, everyone that was a liberator, a freedom fighter, wanted to envision the Americas all together, not divided. Because we knew if we were divided, we would be conquered.

16:38But I looked for the garment that unified North Central America, and it's a poncho. You wear a poncho from the north, right, from all the way to the south. That's the garment. Let's define a poncho. How do you describe a poncho? So a poncho is a weaved garment. And, I mean, I make it in life as a gaucho for my father to have a poncho weave in Santa Fe. It's like the equivalent when somebody buys themselves a nice watch, right? Because it can take a year. So it's basically wool-based that is mostly dyed with natural dyes. And it's weaved by hand. and it's their thick but so they act as a cover for rain because the thing that people don't know is that and I keep on being asked the same question what's the most sustainable fiber and the answer is wool it's what's been dressing us and as humans for thousands and thousands of years wool can a protects you from cold and heat so at the same time it regulates the temperature and so antibacterial, it's not flammable, there's so many qualities to wool.

17:49And so a poncho is a very utilitarian piece of garment that works for you when you're working and living in the outdoors because it's kind of like the shell of a turtle at the same time. And when you had to do long distances in South America, the distances are far. And if you had to sleep, that's where you would slip tubes like on the saddle and with your poncho so it has a very utilitarian aspect and the navajos would be making it and in navajo weaving because i've worked with navajos it's it's sacred as well like you can't like cut a poncho you have to like weave it cutting it's like not considered yeah so if i when i work with the navajos for a collection um it was all a whole project that was handled by Navajo culture and so we couldn't cut like let's say a fabric that they have weaved we had to design yeah so they weave it yeah yes you can't it's not sacred so so there Poncho has a lot of I was interested in the ranch because if there were your parents owned the ranch yes and you were the daughter of the owners yes do you but then when you describe the meals it sounds like everybody sits down together so there's no is there a hierarchy yeah there's a hierarchy because there's organization right but there's a every time every organization needs a hierarchy but there is like my father could work anyone like as hard as anyone else in the ranch like if you're lazy there's no respect like there is the only way you get respect is by working really hard that's and you have to be able you can't be an owner and not be able to do what the other yeah because then it's like you lose the respect so it's really a and it's a very particular lifestyle that you have to truly love my I inherited my father's ranch when he passed away and I have his foreman was trained by my dad when he started at 18 years old it's like I have a clone of my dad and he's it's a bit younger than me just a few years but it's like a brother to me even if we're not and you know my father and Sebastian would wake up in the morning at four o 'clock in the morning drink mate not speaking a word to each other like it's it's really like a monk life like you are and then there is obviously times to have party and fun but it's very ritualistic very ritualistic and quite a and the table would be with your family yeah it would just be your parents and your yeah your sisters and you would do you remember what you would eat yes it would be uh sometimes you would have roasted lamb sometimes you would have milanesas um my father and this is my grandfather's place my father was a little bit vain so he would choose to not have great cooks so he wouldn't eat so much.

20:52Okay. So it was a tactic to this. But I've changed that since then. And, but it was, yes, so you would eat a rotation. And by law there has to be, we have a very good social system in Uruguay, so by law there's like, there has to be a certain amount of vegetables and fruits and everything. So we have to plant, you have to have your own vegetables and fruits and, yeah. And that's when you had those beautiful fruits. that you had. Was it very seasonal? So you would have, you knew what you would have in the winter. What would be the difference between summer and winter? I mean, watermelon, cold watermelon after a siesta.

21:34And I just, one of the memories I have with my grandfather is fracking open a watermelon. That's a tradition. And again, we don't talk too much when you eat. You know, this is like, food and eating, it's funny because it was like, you really enjoy it so it's like i would sit down with my grandfather and we just eat the watermelon you know and um this is the and grapes uh late summer was there wine no there was not a lot of wine now ira has a rich culture but when you do an auction right when you do a horse auction a cattle auction there's whiskey whiskey a lot of whiskey and I just Johnny Walker flowing so everybody gets drunk and they buy a lot that was like the trick how do you see get them drunk before she tell that to Sotheby's and Christie's yeah but I can tell you like I have when I go back to your wife I have my ritual of what are the foods that I want to have yeah yeah yeah chivito sandwich which is a family what is that it's my favorite food and it's like the food that I like to have it's a filet mignon sandwich that only in your way you can do because I don't know the combination of how the bread is filet mignon on bread with tomato and lettuce and sometimes there's some bacon and so it's I mean you put everything mushrooms I mind is it warm or is it is it room temperature yeah but but I eat everything.

23:05Like I eat intestines. I mean I have memories also with like a head of a roasted lamb and my aunt teaching me how to like eat the delicacies of the head. Wow, she took the head. The head, so we would have the head in front. You'd cook the head. Yeah. Wow. And so that's why I have a direct connection of how food is made and the respect, you know. Yeah, being able to produce your food, to be able to know, as you say, where it comes from, what relate to the animals. Did you ever think of not eating meat growing up? I had periods I didn't eat meat, and I think there are some people that do not need meat in their life.

23:48It's not their body needs meat. I definitely need meat. Not a lot of meat. I think having certain meat and the respect of the meat and knowing where the meat comes from and the verticality. one thing I not promoting my country but it is a really great country it's the size of England but with only 3.5 million people it's amazing and we are net zero meaning we have we don't have gas or oil so all our energy is hydro from dams so everything that we produce it's carbon free the whole country and there's the statistics that you know countries that eat their their energy reserves at the beginning of their cycle years we have our energy reserve like past the whole year so it's a very um it's a really incredible um place

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26:27These are just a few of the moving and important stories I'll be holding space for on my upcoming 13th season of Family Secrets. Whether you've been on this journey with me from Season 1 or just joining the Family Secrets family, we're so happy to have you with us. I'll dive deep into the incredible power of secrets, the ones that shape our identities, test our relationships, and ultimately reveal who we truly are. Listen to Family Secrets on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Did you go away summers? Did you ever go to Europe before you left the ranch? I wanted to travel so bad because my parents lived their dream.

27:14They were interested in that. That was like the ranch. They did not care about going to the beach. All my friends were going to the beach. I was like, what is this? So I traveled by myself because I joined a hockey team from my school, not because I love sports, but just because I like traveling. So I traveled by myself first without my parents. And at 17, I left to live in Australia for a year. That was far. That was far. So it was a country like you could have gone. Yeah. Because I always knew that somehow in my future, I've envisioned, even as a kid, I was going to end up living in Europe or in America.

27:54so I wanted to see other cultures first. Where did you go to school? I went to school in Montevideo and then to Australia. Not into Australia. Yeah, Lake Ginondera College. Where's that? Which is in Canberra, where people were like, oh, Canberra? I'm like, at least it was in a sheep farm. Yeah, yeah. So I was excited about that. And was it fun? It was a lot of fun because it was the beginning of globalization. So what year was that? 94. 94. I listened to Bjork from the first time. I mean, grunge. I remember seeing Inexcess live it was like a whole world a whole world had opened and what was the culture for you to go from the farm to Canberra in Australia Uruguay was very conservative at the time because it had just come out from the dictator period trip, democracy came in 1984, it was extremely conservative, like men would dress the same, the guys would dress the same as the parent there was like a uniform there was like an expectation of what women should do and not do and in Australia it's like women were working and things were much more open and and when I first thing I did when I came back was getting a job in a flower shop I told my mom I'm working I'm like you're gonna live here was it a kind of culture shock for you though to leave Uruguay and the Raja be in Australia did you just embrace it or was it scary I wanted to go but what Australia symbolizes in my life was the first time in my life that I decided I wanted to do something at 17.

29:29I told everyone, I'm going to go live in Australia. And people were like, you're insane, your parents are never going to let you do this. And it takes only one person that believes in you. A friend of mine said, oh, I heard about this scholarship that you can go. And I applied and I got in and I went. And so it's that kind of thing you know like okay you set your mind for a goal even if it looks impossible you just go for it did you know you wanted to do fashion at that point when did that happen I I was chosen for me by I think life it's my medium and I never thought I was gonna be a fashion designer growing up I love fashion I love clothing do you know gonna see one picture of me as a kid not dressed on point like that did not exist like I've always like I love clothes would your mother take you shopping would you go we had no you have your clothes done by the seamstress and then when my memories with clothes are wearing for example there would be like the tableta breaking like the the pit like the dollar would rise right in Argentina so my mother would travel to Buenos because it was cheap and buy trunks of clothes but you and your sisters yeah and for everyone and they should last us a couple of years wow yeah so it was more like opportunity go buy clothes come but so it was always nice we just didn't go shopping regular or you'll have it done yeah and did you when did you then think that you actually not only wanted to wear this world but to design i was actually by accident when i was living in new york i i always think that there's two types of people the people are like my daughter olivia or my son jack or my sister magdalena that knew she wanted to be a veterinarian since like they know what they want to do since kids and they have a vision or myself or my daughter mia that we are interested by many many things and you know it's something creative but all I knew was ranching there was no one doing anything else my ranching and so for me was trial and error like I tried everything failed at everything and then it was in fashion that I started working for a designer just to pay rent that I was like in New York oh New York in New York yeah when did you go to New York I moved to New York in I went the first time when I was 18 and I loved it and again it was like I am going to live here.

32:02Like the sheep implanted and I saw myself living here with a cat and I didn't even like cats. Like now I have a cat. And so I was like, I saw the vision. There's a vision. Yeah, it was a vision. And I was 18 and I loved it. I loved the energy of the place. It was just, just. You lived by yourself? Yeah, with a friend that I made in Australia. And you just lived in an apartment? Yeah, we like, we like, but just for like a couple of days. Oh, I see. That was the first time. And then I finally moved in 2000 from a heartache. I was dumped by a boyfriend, only one that broke my heart. Wherever you are, if you're listening to this.

32:44No, I actually thank him. Oh, okay. Thank you. He was a polar player. A very good one, actually. And I couldn't even stay in the same continent, and so I went to live in New York. Crazy idea. I couldn't even afford it. Did your parents support you at all? Was it really that now that you're 18 or 20 or 21, you're out on your own? You know, the one thing I have to thank my parents is that they never had any expectations on me. You know, it was like, you have to be this. There was nothing. They knew that I was... I think it's my mom was a force of nature herself and she always did what she wanted and how she wanted it.

33:25So I think that that obviously has its pros and its cons, but what the pro was the fact that they didn't have any expectations. They never told me work hard. I work hard because I saw them working hard. So they let me pretty free in that sense. And I was living in New York, and then I went to a neighborhood playhouse, School of Theater there, because I thought maybe the performing arts was the thing for me, that I realized really quickly it wasn't. But I needed to get a job, and I had done, my first waitressing jobs were in my 20s. I was a bad waitress. So you worked in a restaurant? Yeah, I worked in a restaurant.

34:10Okay, tell me that. I think everybody should work in a restaurant. I do too. Johnny Ive, Apple, introduced me to the woman who was head of recruitment for Apple, for everything, you know, designers, architects, engineers. And she said that if she looked on somebody's resume, CV, and they'd worked in a restaurant, they had a better chance of getting a job because it does teach you, doesn't it? It teaches you to be kind when you're in a bad mood. It teaches you to be on time, not because of your boss, but because of your colleagues. It teaches you to understand people's impatience. I think it's a really good thing to do.

34:43I want my kids to all work in a restaurant. They can work here. yeah thank you they're very capable and and yeah and a sense of service and the humbleness um is important so i was a waitress and then i was a hostess and i did get this in your way no in new york new york in new york do you remember the restaurant yeah i worked at pastiche i worked yeah they fired me he fired you just you know that yeah he does but the thing they had which I really liked was the fact that if you went worked once at pastis you could always go back to eat there so I know you know like they would always get a table yeah always yes very and still but the star still has the best onion soup I was there two weeks ago and I absolutely agree with you still the best on you yeah I agree I absolutely great that's how you work to say you work as Yeah, I worked as a hostess in Bastille.

35:43Yeah. Was it a culture of eating out? Did you, when you look back on your life, not life, but your experiences, do you think you have memorable moments in restaurants? Yes, I do. Because I always try and think, what is the importance of a restaurant, really, you know, in our culture? It's family. It's family. Yeah, and it's definitely, we, of course, at home a lot. my grandmother was a very good cook and our housekeeper was taught by my grandma. So between them and my mom, which is pretty decent, food was on level. I feel guilty that my kids don't eat that level of food. And it's just like, because it's a total dedication, right?

36:27And my, but the restaurant's idea was like where you would go eat to Mercado del Puerto which is a market in Uruguay where you have a lot of different places where they'll serve barbecues. So you eat in the market. That's nice. They have that in Mexico as well. And you eat in the market. And initially, yeah. It's delicious. Like delicious. Well, it's a bit like going back to the ranch because you're eating around. Then that's, food is extremely important in my life. I can hear that. I don't associate traveling without food. I can't travel to a place where the food is not going to be a thing. I'm like, it has to have food in the equation.

37:09Does your husband as well think that way? He's a bit more like food is fuel. But after 15 years with me, you get to like, he loves and he eats everything. What I love about him is that he says yes to, he's game on everything. You know what I mean? which is like, he goes for it. And I love like blood sausage, like chorizo, like, you know, it's tongue, like, give it to me. Yeah. Did you cook brains? Yes, I did. Yeah. I was saying when you were talking about the lamb, I remember we lived in Paris and we wanted to cook brains. I was like 25 and I was interested in, but we went to the butcher and I said, I'd like to try, you know, to cook brains.

37:54And he brought up the head of the veal and then he cut the calf and then he cut the brains out. at the butcher. It was just, again, that immediacy of seeing where it comes from, what they do, how you're eating. I eat everything except octopus. I don't eat clever beings, more clever beings. Is that since the movie? No, before the movie. It was instinctual. It was instinctual. It was very instinctual. I'm like, hmm, they look too smart. But we have my mom she prays every meal she's a Buddhist so she thanks every meal to remind herself the process that it takes what's in your plate not only the elements, the sun the earth, the soil, the people that worked in and like why are we eating, why are we fueling ourselves right, we're fueling ourselves to do good in the world, right and this is kind of like the conscious she sounds great, I'd like to meet her did she ever come to London to bring her here yes, he would love her by the way yes, but she she's not like interested, she was never interested in Europe she can go to Easter Island three times a year, which she spends a lot of time there, or Lake Titicaca in Bolivia, I've been there she'll go to these special places anthropologically speaking and stay there but she was never too interested in Paris.