In short
Markets wobble as late Fed meeting minutes arrive; rising Treasury yields and oil prices lift borrowing costs and pressure stocks, especially chips and tech. The episode links the selloff to Middle East ceasefire uncertainty, weaker growth signals, and shifting rate expectations. It also highlights upcoming retailer earnings and mixed housing/industrial data.
Guests
No guests mentioned; only Keith Lansford (host) and Kevin Gordon (quoted), head of macro research and strategy at the Schwab Center for Financial Research.
Key claims
Bond-stock correlation is most negative since 1997; inflation data may be driving equities more than growth. Oil demand risk from falling strategic reserves could keep prices elevated.
Notable examples
30-year yield 19-year high; 10-year near early-2025 highs; Home Depot earnings beat; SK Hynix/Micron/SanDisk/Western Digital down; Target and Lowe’s upcoming; S&P 500 near 7,620 support.
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Chapters
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0:45 to 1:54
Discussion on the Federal Reserve's meeting minutes and current market pressures.
“The 30-year bond yield hit a 19-year high, while the 10-year yield approached highs last hit in early 2025.”
Impact of Rising Yields and Oil Prices
1:54 to 3:06
Analysis of how rising oil prices and yields are affecting market behavior.
“Three policymakers voted to raise rates, and nine voted to leave them unchanged.”
Retail and Housing Market Update
3:06 to 5:12
Insight into recent retail earnings and housing market indicators.
“There's growing concern about falling strategic reserves, which countries might eventually need to refill.”
Sector Performance and Market Trends
5:12 to 6:16
Examination of sector performances amidst rising borrowing costs.
“Concerns about possible consumer caution put Target and Walmart in the spotlight, with Walmart reporting Thursday morning.”
Technology and Stock Movements
6:16 to 10:02
Detailed overview of stock movements, particularly in tech and other sectors.
“High yields are particularly bearish for tech and small-cap firms that tend to rely more on borrowing.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:05Welcome to the Schwab Market Update Podcast, where we prepare you for each trading day with a recap of recent news and a look at what's ahead.
0:17I'm Keith Lansford, and here is Schwab's look at the markets for Wednesday, August 19. Minutes from the Federal Reserve's last meeting arrived late today, with the markets at a crossroads. The long summer rally ran into a buzzsaw of climbing yields in oil this week that it could no longer ignore, mainly because there's no sign of progress in the Middle East as the ceasefire ends. Weakness accelerated Tuesday as yields in oil kept spinning higher, raising borrowing costs for companies and investors. Chips took the brunt of the blow. The 30-year bond yield hit a 19-year high, while the 10-year yield approached highs last hit in early 2025.
1:02The 2023 high of almost 5 % isn't far off. While stocks staged long rallies in the 1990s with yields at these levels, it generally was accompanied by cheap crude. Today's combination could be a tougher challenge, raising the cost of borrowing and energy at the same time. This has implications for heavy spending growth companies and for consumer spending, which accounts for 70 % of gross domestic product, or GDP. Next week's update on second quarter spending and growth could be useful, though oil prices and yields were generally lower than compared to now Also, minutes due at 2 p.m. Eastern time reflect conditions when the Fed met in late July, several weeks before the ceasefire expired, and when there was more hope of an end to the war That could have affected the debate Three policymakers voted to raise rates, and nine voted to leave them unchanged.
2:02Week July jobs and retail sales data seem to temporarily discourage market participants from expecting a September hike, with chances for one that month recently below 35 percent, according to the CME FedWatch tool. Hike chances accelerate from there to almost 70 percent by year-end. Rising U.S. yields also could draw investors towards bonds and away from stock, thanks to what might be perceived as enticing returns. Bond yields and stocks now have the most negative correlation since 1997, meaning when one goes up, the other goes down. This implies that the bond market is keying more off inflation data than growth data, giving inflation the upper hand when it comes to equities, said Kevin Gordon, head of macro research and strategy at the Schwab Center for Financial Research.
2:53The long stock rally this summer took place when market participants seemed relatively sure the war would soon end. Now that's unclear and could explain recent stumbles. Rising yields partially reflect rising oil prices, which climbed 0.5 % Tuesday to nearly$85 per barrel. There's growing concern about falling strategic reserves, which countries might eventually need to refill. That kind of demand would compete with normal transportation and heating needs, keeping prices up for longer. Still, longer-term oil futures trade below spot prices. The market anticipates U.S. crude to fall below$79 per barrel by next winter, though that could reflect traditionally weaker winter demand.
3:41There's no sign of progress reopening the Strait of Hormuz, and only one ship made the transit in the 24 hours before Tuesday's market closed, straight monitors said.
3:55Amid all the hand-wringing over yields and oil, this week is big for retailers, and it started with Good News Tuesday from Home Depot. Home Depot's earnings and revenue topped consensus, even as executives said customers mostly avoided large do-it-yourself purchases. The company reaffirmed its fiscal 2027 earnings and revenue guidance, easing minds. Lowe's and Target report today, and Walmart comes to bat tomorrow. In other home-related development, July housing starts and building permits data looked mixed. Permits, a leading economic indicator, rose 5 % monthly, topping estimates at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 1.44 million.
4:39Starts missed consensus at 1.24 million. The relatively weak data helped ease treasury yields from early peaks Tuesday. In another data, industrial production rose 0.2 % monthly in July, short of the 0.3 % briefing.com consensus. Target and Lowe's both report this morning, with lows likely now expected to impress after Home Depot's solid outing. Target spent most of the year rallying, though it put on the brakes after last week's poor U.S. July retail sales report. Concerns about possible consumer caution put Target and Walmart in the spotlight, with Walmart reporting Thursday morning. Consensus for Target is$2.33 per share on revenue of$26.1 billion, up 3.7 % year-over-year.
5:31Target beat estimates last time and sales at stores open a year or more, which had slumped, rebounded an impressive 5.6 % annually. Growth was strong across most categories and customer traffic rose. This puts pressure on Target to share similarly impressive results today. The solid results from Home Depot appeared to help consumer sectors, including staples and discretionary. Credit card, pet supply, athletic gear, and soft drink companies were among the leaders on Wall Street Tuesday. Major indexes kept retreating from last week's record highs Tuesday, burdened by rising yields and oil, and ending not far off their lows.
6:13In other words, the same story as Monday. High yields are particularly bearish for tech and small-cap firms that tend to rely more on borrowing. They're bad for consumer-focused firms like homebuilders and airlines, too, while transport firms also grapple with rising fuel costs. Four of 11 S &P sectors gained Tuesday, a far better showing than one of 11 on Monday. Healthcare and staples were two of the top three, along with energy, showing investors in a more defensive posture. Tech finished last as Monday's semiconductor rally fell apart. The S &P 500 index is now down three straight sessions.
6:56Technically, support could be at 7 ,620 for the S &P 500 index near the old June high that got eclipsed earlier this month. Tuesday's failure to hold 7 ,700 could hurt from a sharp perspective. Stocks moving Tuesday included memory chip makers SK Hynix, Micron, SanDisk, and Western Digital, down 7 % to 9%. There's concern rising borrowing costs could hurt companies trying to build data centers weighing on chip demand. Chip and cloud infrastructure firms also struggled, including CoreWeave, Marvell Technology, and Lumentum. The PHLX Semiconductor Index had its worst day in a while, falling 5%, as Intel fell 6.6%.
7:47Fabrinet plunged 19%, despite strong earnings and guidance. Investors appeared concerned about what the company said might be a temporary margin headwind, CNBC reported. The optical manufacturing company's struggles today appeared to spill into trading of other chip infrastructure firms. Caterpillar fell 4.5%, hurt by worries about AI data center and chip demand. Much of its long rally reflects construction strength related to AI. Software, which often trades opposite of chips, kept that reputation Tuesday. Shares of Salesforce rose almost 3 percent and Adobe rose 3.6 percent. Apple climbed 1.4 percent after lowering App Store fees in Europe to settle a dispute with the European Union, according to Bloomberg.
8:40Metaplatforms fell 4.4 percent. it faces a trial in federal court that could bring as much as$1.4 trillion in penalties amid claims it deliberately designed its products to encourage compulsive use among youngsters, Bloomberg reported. And Eli Lilly rose 3.5 % to place among health care leaders, along with Johnson & Johnson. Biotech stocks had a decent day, too. The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost 116.38 points or 0.22 % Tuesday to 53 ,343.40. The S &P 500 Index fell 53.30 points or 0.69 % to 7 ,691.76. And the Nasdaq Composite gave back 355.20 points, or 1.33%, to 26 ,289.71. This has been the Schwab Market Update podcast.
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From the publisher
Rising U.S. and global yields continue to drag the stock market, now down three days in a row. Fed minutes later could shed light on the rate debate. Target reports this morning.
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