The Conversation That Changed How I See Life

33:18So as you know, I'm a massive fan of someone. So from a very early age, I'm a massive fan of yours, I'm a massive fan of Michael Jordan. when I was at university in 1980, 1990, my friend had a massive poster of Michael Jordan. And I said, who's that? And he went, don't you know? He goes, it's Jordan. Who's he? I started watching him on channel four, the basketball. Then I started collecting shirts when I started, you know, collecting stuff. I had got every shirt he ever wore. And I just put them in a cupboard basically, because what do you do with shirts? And I said to Hannah, I said, you know what Hannah I want to I'd love to do something with these shirts um can we make them into a quilt now unfortunately in 2021 she got sick again this time it was so and she passed away in 2023 which was horrific we found a treatment in Germany which was miraculous

34:11Alex Chisnall:she made another comeback and she'll be given the all clear right she'll be given all this unbelievable unbelievable she beat brain cancer twice and now there's a medical paper that has been written about her but she she couldn't finish this but she started it and what she did was oh my god that's insane that's epic you've got to go and watch this on youtube those of you who are listening we'll share this as well on the socials that's phenomenal man yeah well i mean there are more shirts but this this someone so someone so she cut all the shirts up and then the person who she bought the quilting machine from liz from a company called long arm quilters i would love to her to see this as well she she finished the job and yeah it says happy beautiful day on here which is what hannah used to say and i associate that with you have you well it was yeah uh and then on the back it says you're always in my heart made specially for pete cohen by Hannah Bradley Cohen and Liz Holpin, November 2023.

35:13So, like I said, I've never really shown that properly, I suppose, and I couldn't think of a better person to show it to you than you because you love Michael Jordan like me.

35:22Alex Chisnall:I had that poster as well, you know, the one with the wings in black and white. I had that at uni. I had that on my wall. Where is it now? God, probably in the bloody attic, right? Well, my friend who in 1990 has given it to me. and it's in my house now and he's got like a ball it's got a ball in his hand yeah that's the poster so the reason i tell you this story especially for you know entrepreneurs that are listening to this is if you don't know who you are it took hannah to almost die to find out who she was right and to find her what she got every single day to do she loved projects to work on of quilting and she's not here anymore to do what she loved but you are even though you're still figuring it out i'm still figuring it out in terms of really what what exactly do i want to do now i want to share my story what i've learned about slowing down thinking more intentionally being more clearly um where that goes i'm happy to kind of see i definitely want to continue to coach i love coaching people but i'm still figuring shit out and i think if you don't know who you are and you're someone who's relying on where you are to be the guiding thing in your life you're gonna you're in trouble you've got to know who you are and in order to really know who you are i had to stop and life's obviously stopped you which has probably made you start thinking more clearly about how are you who am i now yeah and you know what i guess you know death you know somebody close to you passing away focuses your mind to literally go So it's that phrase, you know, how many summers do I have left?

36:59Alex Chisnall:For me, it's how many winters do you have left? Because my favourite thing in the world is snowboarding, right? And it's like, how many more times do I want to get snowboarded? But I never thought of that before up until probably the last 12 months to go, okay, and you want, you know, a great quality of life, right? To be able to do things like that, to play golf. Tell you what we should do. Have you seen, like, Michael Jordan's got his own golf club, right? It was like 600 members or something. We should go there. Let's find a way to get it. Get the big dogs out. Yeah. let the big dog eat I was going to say again when you mentioned like the first time you met Hannah you were about to buy a Ted Baker shirt do you know you know who Ted Baker is yeah of course I met him I was going to say at my event did you meet Ray yeah I talked to him you know we've got a lot in common indeed yeah because I introduced Ollie to Ray and now they're talking about making a movie of Ray's life because he's had a I mean he built a 1.6 billion pound global clothing company right and then it all came crashing down around overnight because of people saying things about him you know yeah well this is this thing where we are all i believe we're all connected and i wanted to ask you another can i ask you a question i know it's your podcast but i'm yeah but i know you so i was expecting a few questions yeah yeah uh sam neill was what's that program where um people are being interviewed on ITV, I think it is, by autistic people.

38:24So it's been quite fantastic.

38:25Alex Chisnall:I saw a clip yesterday of that. They were asking him questions and he stopped. And he said about, you know, what's the lesson that your parents taught you? I'm curious about, with your mum sadly not being here anymore, what's the biggest lesson she taught? I'll tell you the lesson that my mum taught me. That's a hell of a question. And he literally stopped for about five minutes before he thought of what lesson to share. It made him cry, didn't it? Yeah, it did. It made him go, oh, because he wasn't expecting that question. No. And you know what he said, don't you? You know what his answer was?

38:59Alex Chisnall:Remind me, remind me. He said that about pulling yourself together. Pulling yourself together. You know, and I thought, God, yeah, how important it is for us to pull ourselves together so that we have consistency and we know who we are. It's really hard to pull yourself together if you don't know who you are. Yeah. you know you keep falling apart but if you know who you are you can pretty much i would imagine it's easier for people to handle more of what life is going to throw because life is going to throw obstacles shit death destruction despair but if you if you have a profound sense of who you are for me i i think i've i've developed that and yeah so pulling myself together is something i'm i've done what about you with your mum god without getting an emotion without getting too emotional and losing the entire rest of the the the time we got together I would say um and something I thought about you know reflected back on a few times um and I think it's that thing of unconditional love right of of not expecting anything in return and I think back to the things she used to do like literally my mum I I like the stuff I was into so I was into american football right i started the the the first junior american football team in wales i was like 14 15 16 i was all over the local paper in cardiff i still got all the cuttings then i started the first junior american football league in wales we had like 12 teams playing from all in wales and i was like organizing it was doing my o levels at the time you know anyway the first professional teams I came across was the Crawley Raiders.

40:42Alex Chisnall:Yeah, which is just down the road from... Down the road and where I used to live when I used to work for Virgin Atlantic. So my mum took us all the way from Cardiff, like on the train, to go and watch Crawley Raiders play Greenwich Rams. I can remember the game. And there was probably 20 people watching and 15 dogs. But we'd come all the way from Cardiff. Another one, you know, a massive history buff, massive into like King Arthur and the Romans and all this kind of stuff. She took me all the way to Mowzol in Cornwall, like again, hours and hours away from Cardiff to watch a play on the cliff face of that theatre in Mowzol, like overlooking the Atlantic to watch a King Arthur play.

41:29Alex Chisnall:And she just used to do stuff like that for me. I just obviously used to say, I want to do this. and like a lot of parents would just go yeah yeah whatever Alex you know whatever or we can't afford that we can't you know that's miles away how are we going to do that but she just did it right and I just think yeah that's what just came into my head you know what's so beautiful about that is you sharing part of who you are with me because I don't know your mum but you know she obviously was an incredible person but I would say when people say she was I'd say she is you know in the kind of Indian ayurvedic system they would say when someone passes the the the physical side of them goes but the the other side is always here you know with people some people might just call that memory but i wonder what impact has that had on who you are and how you move through the world so i i i for me i'm pleased i want to know the answer to that but um like you i love talking and hosting and I love being interviewed.

42:30I like interviewing. My mum showed me, she didn't tell me, she showed me that there's an answer to everything. So as a child that was five years old, that's struggling with learning difficulties, my mum, she got me extra lessons. She gave up pretty much every Sunday to take me, on her time off, to take me to have extra lessons and she'd just sit in the car. And, you know, she showed me that, and I saw how she was with my dad when my dad got sick, and she was just relentless, absolutely relentless in there's an answer to everything. And I believe, as you know, I believe there's an answer to everything.

43:10You come with me of a problem, I'm going to find the answer to that problem. If I can't find it, I'll find someone who can, and it's part of me. I carry that person with me wherever I go.

43:20Alex Chisnall:And I thought, I was chatting with our mutual friend James, who also records in the studio, and who you're seeing today, um after the Hannah story and um you know a couple of the observations that I had was that um that you came across as relentless that you almost to your own detriment with with Hannah just was just like like exhausted by you know the experience like she's gonna like she says something like she's gonna punch you in the face if you didn't put the camera away at one point right I remember but um Um, and I, and I remember sharing this with you as well. I said, you know, I, I knew it was going to be a, um, a hard watch, right.

43:57Alex Chisnall:But I actually didn't come away feeling that I came away thinking, and it's funny how you, you relate things to yourself, right? So for me, it was screw it. Just do it. It's literally that thing that we have, you know, finite time on this planet and we should live life to the full. And, you know, with the time that we've got, we should be doing the things, you know, how can we help other people? You know, we should be, we should be happy you know and I just thought um there's a whole nother movie there about you and it's like where are you where you know not not not where where are you at but who are you right here right now what do you want to do with the time I mean you watch Brian Johnson on um you know Instagram and he thinks he's going to live forever right you know with all the experiments that he's doing on longevity on himself, etc.

44:50Alex Chisnall:But, you know, so who knows how long any of us have got left. But, you know, for you, that must have been, again, a real screw it, just do it moment and where you are now. What are you going to do with the movie and what are you going to do yourself? There's so many avenues we could go down with that. But look, I love podcasting, right? You and me were podcasting before podcasting was the thing. You were there before it was even called podcasting, right? Blog talk, radio. I was also interviewing people and recording them but not knowing what the hell I was going to do. In 2002, I interviewed Ronnie O'Sullivan.

45:21Alex Chisnall:I remember you bringing him to Clubhouse. Yeah, and it was like, I didn't know what I was doing, but I love audio.

45:30And what I did when Hannah passed away and the funeral, within the next day, I think I flew to America and I started working much more closely with Dr. Ray, who's my coach. He'd been to England once. he had also met Hannah once and I started recording the conversations and now I've put that out in a podcast called stop to think which is the first four episodes were recorded not long ago but then it's going back three years ago and I'm kind of showing how stop to think was born because we weren't planning it we weren't and it's just it's and it's been sort of three years in the making and I'm just keen to put that into the world and see what happens um you know to put something out there and have faith that something's going to happen which is something i struggled with but i've learned also through through being coached that we made the film i put the film out there and now look what's happened you and i are talking about it i'm sure someone will listen to this and go and watch it um you'll see davina's davina davina mccord davina's seen it kate garroway who was at the event she said what can i do to she put a post out and it went bananas 700 000 views, I think.

46:38So all these people have watched it. I'm not making that happen. And I think that's something else I've learned. And this might sound very weird to say. I don't think I'd make anything happen. I think it happens because it was always going to happen. That doesn't mean don't do anything. I think if you know who you are, and you like what you do, and you have faith, this sounds very, maybe it's too far-fetched for people. But it's the idea of we don't make things happen they happen because we were the right time the right space we had the right intention that's by the way i love it because for me it is intentional thinking intentional thinking is you just know this is the right thing to do and you just let whatever's going to happen happen as a result of it you don't try and make everything happen but so many people and again like you saying

47:24Alex Chisnall:with like stop to think and then also how the story that you you put it out there and i remember But again, when I recorded the first episodes of this in January 2017, I sat on those episodes five months before I put them out there because the chimp was literally saying to me, well, who's going to listen to this? Who the hell are you? They mightn't even like your voice. No one's going to listen to it. And it took me five months to kind of work up to put it out there. But if I hadn't put it out there, I wouldn't have met so many amazing people. the opportunities that have again come my way from meeting people who then become really good friends of mine but if I hadn't taken that action to actually go do you know what to hell with it let's just put it out there and see what happens right and then it takes on you know a life of its own right just like that Kate's posted right or Hannah's story and that's that's the power of choice and often the most I was thinking about this the other day how humans we've we've really struggle with uncertainty and change yet if you come from that perspective you're always going to struggle because everything's uncertain and you can't stop change change is happening but for you to realize i have a choice here i could sit on this and do nothing or i could face a fear which is an illusion and put it out there look what's happened as a result of you putting it putting it out there and what you and i have this we're the similar age right how old are you uh 56 yeah same age 56 when were you born april 30th so you're you're i think fourth on may 13th so that was that two weeks you were born two weeks before me so you're two weeks wiser than me but you're meant to be six weeks after that yes yeah you're not wrong you're right but you know one of my favorite books of all time i mean i'm a massive fan of napoleon hill i've worked for the napoleon hill foundation i've spoke yeah yeah i've met napoleon hill's grandson he came up to me and told me that I misquoted Napoleon Hill.

49:22And I went, if that's what it took to meet you, I'm really glad. And I met, what's the name? The woman who wrote Rich Dad, Poor Dad, Letcher, Sharon, is it? Sharon Letcher, who also wrote one of the greatest books ever, which was written by Napoleon Hill, which is Outwitting the Devil. But one of the things that Napoleon Hill talked about is when you get to 50, he said, when you get in your 50s predominantly 55 he said that's the age where you have this wonderful opportunity to capitalize on everything you've been through because you can't buy experience

50:00Alex Chisnall:and most people get to that age and wake up wake up to a reality of i am not here for what i have got i'm here for what i can give from what i've got and you know so many people that when we get when they get to this age, they're thinking it's all downhill. It's all retirement. These could be, and they should be, the greatest years of our life because of what we've already been through. And you think, what's the world craving more than ever? I think it's craving connection, authenticity, collaboration. And I think you and I and some others, we're going to be the ones who bring that message to the world in a way that possibly hasn't hit before.

50:41So forgive my enthusiasm

50:44Alex Chisnall:never okay thank you well enthusiasm comes from a Greek word entheos which means the God within so when you're enthusiastic it's like an energy that never runs out when you're excited that always runs out you can't stay excited but when you're infused you can maintain it it's an energy that I believe it can be so you know with this film Alex tell me a film that you've seen that's had, apart from Hannah's story, a film that you've seen that's had a lasting impact on your life? I can tell you exactly what film, because my father took my brother and I to see it in Canada when I think I was maybe 15, Justin was maybe 13, so one flew over the cooker's nest.

51:27Wow.

51:27Alex Chisnall:Jack Nicholson, yeah. So what is it about that? I mean, that film is obviously an amazing book, an incredible film, very, very sad. But what was it about that film that stayed with you? Jack Nicholson obviously plays an amazing character who's in a institution and everybody there is I remember Nurse Ratched medication time and they're all being given and he doesn't take it does he? He doesn't take it and he's literally, he's alive right he's alive whereas everybody else is just gone, they're shut off from each other, there's no reaction to anything right they just sat there in their chairs doing nothing all day and then he ends up breaking them all out to go on like a fishing trip and then like a coach trip um and then i just always remember the end of that movie i won't spoil it for anyone but chief do you remember the american indian guy yeah so yeah and it's just profound and i remember thinking at the time i was way too young to see that movie because you think it's a you know at that age maybe i thought it was about something i've watched it since and i just thought i wonder if i should show that movie to my case it's profound it's absolutely well as you were saying that film the film that came to mind for me was awakenings with robin williams and robert de niro yeah and robert de niro has uh he has his catatonic um and uh robert de niro sorry um the doctor robin williams changes his medication that he basically comes back slowly it comes back how funny you've chosen that and I've chosen that.

53:04Yeah, and there's this bit where he goes, Robert De Niro says to the character Robin Williams, we've got to tell everyone, we've got to tell everyone. He goes, what? We've got to tell everyone the good news because you're looking at the news. But these films, we have to stop and we have to think about those films, right? And they've impacted our lives. But for me, putting this film out there, I thought about, you know, why I wanted to do it. I want people to know who Hannah was, selfishly. I want them to know. But I also want them to know that on the back of it, that something happens, that they do something on the back of something.

53:44So in mythology, in stories, King Arthur, King Arthur says to the knights, go to the forest and find a place which no one has gone in before. Don't follow someone else's path. Find a path that isn't there and create it to find your own way. And, you know, for Hannah, this has already happened, and I'm glad it's happened to you, which I'm glad that you have taken something from that, that has given you something, and you're doing something with that. And we're doing something with that. And it's like, what is the point of life if you're not passing on something that has been given to you? That is what they call in the hero's journey.

54:24You give it back, what you have become, because what you went through is hard, right? You were called to an adventure, you didn't want to go. Harry Potter didn't want to leave the cupboard. He did, but he didn't. Frodo didn't want to leave the Shire? No chance. Bilbo didn't want to leave the Shire. But they did. They got a coach. They got a mentor. They went on this quest. It almost destroyed them, but they got stronger. And then, obviously, Lord of the Rings, for me, I love that because of the collaboration of people that are coming together. And then there's a whole idea of he becomes a different person and he has to pass it on.

54:59Don't keep it for yourself. It has to be shared. who you've become Alex who I've become we have to share that not everyone wants what we've got but there are people out there that they need to hear what we have because it's not ours we have to give it away

55:12Alex Chisnall:isn't that interesting remind me again so that was in Napoleon Hill said at that age absolutely it's bonkers isn't it I have picked apart that book like you wouldn't believe you know and you know he they and it was all inspired by Carnegie our Carnegie became the richest man in the world and he said, Connie, he became the richest man in the world first half of his life, second half of his life. He gave the money away. What a lot of people don't know about him is he died of a broken heart. Why? Because the steel company that he sold to J.P. Morgan, which made him the richest man in the world, were producing bombs in the First World War and he pleaded with Eisenhower, please don't go to war, please don't go to war.

55:56And they did. And he knew that that steel was killing people. so he didn't leave his home I think in New York didn't go back to Scotland he had a big estate there but he I think he also went through that whole thing because he opened up his black book to Napoleon Hill Napoleon Hill was 19 and he said to him Napoleon Hill was a journalist went to see Carnegie and Carnegie just he was looking for someone to write a book about success and he thought okay maybe this is the person so he says to napoleon hill i'm looking for someone to write a book um and it's probably going to take 20 to 25 years and you're not going to get paid and the story is that uh napoleon hill didn't take too much time and said yeah i'll do it interviewed over 500 people kind of like what how many people have you interviewed 750 coming up so now is the time and that's why i'm here to tell you that there's something that you need to do, which you already knew, which is about, you've told me about a book.

56:59Alex Chisnall:Yeah. Yeah, we need to talk about that. Yeah, sure. Because you ain't going to do it on your own. Yeah. And that's what Napoleon Hill talked about, is the collaboration. And he learned that from Carnegie, because at that point in business and industry, no one could do anything on their own. Well, and again - They actually needed everyone, people, business was done by bringing people together. Yeah, and that's what struck me again, like when we put on first festival of entrepreneurs last October, that I couldn't do it all on my own, right? And the fact that everyone came together to help me when I needed it and thinking specifically, you know, speakers, but, you know, and so many of them were from Clubhouse, right?

57:42Alex Chisnall:The Lesleys, the James Burtts, the Marvins who messaged me yesterday, funnily enough, asking me what's happening with this year's event. You know, we're literally finalizing the agenda this week to go live next week. And it was like, I couldn't be on four stages at the same time. So, you know, you need people to come together to help. And what reinforced it, I went to an event. So funnily enough, an organization called the Bureau Club, who we partnered with at the event. So they had a stand at my event. I've been part of their organization. I get invited to events every week through them. Went to the San Polo in Sandbanks last week.

58:22Alex Chisnall:I reconnected with somebody again that I knew. God, it's a mad story, isn't it, actually, coming to think of it. So she's called Sunny. She was in the PR business. I met her because she gave me someone to interview called Damien Lee. Damien Lee unfortunately died of cancer. He got it for the fifth time. And I remember going around to his house and he was recording a podcast and he wanted help. So I went to his house, recorded this podcast with him, and he was super frail. And he'd invented this business called Mr. Lee's Noodles. and it was everything on like easy jet planes um it was on southwest trains you know really successful and um and that's how i met her um so it's interesting again chatting to you today but um you know it was worth it for me and i won't go into it now but just having the conversation with her at this event which is right at the very end we just sat down caught up with each other and it was just that one connection has again just opened my mind to possibility she was like we need to have a chat about what you're doing.

59:29Alex Chisnall:I saw you post about this founders dinner that you hosted in London, where I brought like 15 brands together. Congratulations on that. Thank you. And it went down amazingly well. Met some of those people again last night. And she's doing something similar, but she doesn't have the network. She's going out to brands and then putting the network together. And she's like, you've got the thing that nobody else actually has. You've actually got that network of people. Well, you're probably one of the most connected people to entrepreneurs. in the world yeah without realising it's something I've come to in the last like six months but isn't it weird how you often need someone else to wake you up I know say Alex do you not see what you have and I was going to say also kudos to you with the festival because everyone has to start somewhere and I'm sure it was the last thing on earth you wanted to do when it actually happened because your life had been literally been turned upside down inside out but you still did it and everyone has to start somewhere and it's like okay with the next one we need to stop to think bring all those people together however you do that online and let's get really creative about how do we promote this thing in a way that no one's ever promoted an event before because otherwise how are we going to let people know that there's something here and you've got some great creative thinkers yeah who would love to be a part of that james burt would be one of those people i know lots of people we would love to and that was funnily enough one of the conversations that i had last week with someone else that we've just partnered with who um is in the social media space she's worked for such in such she's worked for the bbc lady called katie i've got a four and a half hour meeting with her this thursday to kind of literally the ideas we were coming up with to do just that were fantastic so we're going to put a plan together and she was just like again looking at the network and going but there's so many things we could do you know instead of just putting out that you know a card with somebody's face on it going they're appearing at the event i was like that's so old school and non-reactive right you don't get a reaction from something like that so that's the power of stop to think so where did this come from so tell me with the time that we got left tell me stop to think great thank you for asking me that question but before i answer the question because i don't want to forget what i was going to say is i just kudos to you because i've watched how you've worked with james but i don't know too many people that do that no okay no you know two people podcasting agencies podcast gurus coming together to work together to help each other mate that's just unheard of but that is another example of it's not me it's we and there's space for all of us here yeah exactly that james this is this phrase right all ships rise in a high tide and it's it is that thing for me that um i don't know just just you know you you know one and one doesn't equal two yeah equals three if you come together yeah and then if you know then you bring someone else together and then it's the law of i don't know compounding with metaphysics and all these amazing things happen but you've got to have faith you ask the question about stop to think so um a few months after hannah passed away i carried on working with my coach a massive fan of coaching obviously and you know i've been coached by two of the greatest coaches um i'm in trieste with my brother and his family and i'm walking down the street talking to ray in america and he's one of those people that he doesn't really tell you what to do but sometimes if someone's not listening, sometimes you have to tell someone, you know, you're not listening, I'm going to tell you.

1:02:49And I obviously have been defensive. That's a trait I have. I can be quite defensive, you know, because I feel like someone's attacking me. So, and yeah, and he said to me, listen, don't you realize what you're here to do? Do you not realize that stop to think is what you do? You've stopped to think for everybody. That's what you do, right? And he's right. I have stopped I've stopped for people, for them to think professionally for years. And that's what we did on Clubhouse. We just created space for people to stop, for them to think for themselves. And we did it for hours and hours and weeks and weeks and months and months.

1:03:23But you know what, Alex? I never really stopped for myself because I thought stopping was dangerous. Got to keep busy. And if I stopped, I had to face, that's why I admire you because you were prepared to stop and face what was in here. and a lot of that probably was difficult and challenging and ugly and you're probably still working on it. But you know there's something, you can't unpickle a pickle. You can't unpickle a pickled onion. It's pickled. We've all been pickled. But if you look and you pull back the layers, even of a pickled onion, I think you get to the essence of who we are and I've learned to stop for myself.

1:04:02This podcast is so much better, I believe, because I'm not thinking about anything else. I'm thinking about what's coming next apart from I do need to go for a wee

1:04:11Alex Chisnall:but that's okay that's okay so that's how Stop to Think was born and that's what I'm excited about more and more sharing that message with the world around let's just stop to think to separate ourselves from our thinking stop to separate from a problem from a challenge from a person to have the separation before you then go and do something different so stop is suspending the out of date performance right Right? Suspend the out-of-date persona. I don't need to be that person anymore. I'm suspending it to consider a new way of moving through the world. And how, I mean, I guess, you know, maybe you're still figuring this out, but how do you get that message out there other than coming on podcasts?

1:04:55Alex Chisnall:How do people interact with that? What is the vehicle for that? You could say coaching, right? Yeah, definitely coaching. But in terms of making money from it, I haven't figured that out. I'm sure that will happen when the time is right. I have a few different things that I do professionally that take care of themselves. But it's not about the money, right? It's about the message and that landing with people. And I believe that it will land to a lot more people. I'm going to create a handbook for people when they go through the podcast that kind of bring the podcast to life. Podcasts are amazing, mate.

1:05:32Long-form content is here to stay. I don't care what anybody says because people want to listen to conversations.

1:05:38Alex Chisnall:They do. I mean, and you see that with, you know, short form content is great. But again, people, and it's, you know, proven that, you know, we used to think if you take, you know, take a short form clip and you put it out on Instagram and Facebook and Twitter, people will click that and go and watch the long form. It doesn't happen very often, right? The conversion rates are relatively small, but people want to go and listen to a story and immerse themselves in a story. And you know, the best way that happens is people just tell people like, I listened to this great podcast. Oh, really? And I mean, that's not the only way, but I think that way still is, you've got to listen to this podcast.

1:06:19Definitely. Which is what everyone has to do with this. If you've enjoyed this podcast,

1:06:25Alex Chisnall:share it with someone else. talking about stories Hannah's story have you thought of the destination like where no no no no I mean a few thousand people now have watched it and a few I know a few thousand people more who knows what might happen whether okay you know Netflix Amazon Prime who knows I don't know is that what you'd want to happen not really I don't know if it's meant to happen it will happen but for the rest of my life it's part of me so I'll be telling people about it anyone can go and watch it at teamhannah.com and everyone has the opportunity to give feedback and already we've had a few hundred people say what they took away from the film, which is great.

1:07:04Alex Chisnall:So I'm glad you said where people can do that as well. And you're off to see Davina. Davina McCall, which is amazing because I also wanted that to happen, but I knew that it would happen when... And how did it happen? Ben Shepard, so I think so. Well, when I finished the film, I didn't make it for it to be a documentary. I made it because it was something I had to do. I showed it to him. He looked at it and went, wow. He said, show it to this person. He met that guy, Mikey, who's a filmmaker. He looked at it. He said, enter into some film festivals. I did. I can't believe it's 1.11. And then Ben came and told this morning about it.

1:07:44This morning then got me on there. He came and emceed the event. Kate Garroway was there. It's like everything's connected. And it's all just going to happen. and Davina McCall, she's, I think it's from James, James Burt, there you go. James gave me the lady from, and I emailed them and they looked into it. Because everyone's... And they saw the, I'm sure, sorry, they saw the Kate Garroway Instagram post and I'm sure that made them think, hang on a second there, we've got to do something here and Davina loves stories.

1:08:17Alex Chisnall:Well, that's what I was going to say and as you all know as a podcast host, we're all looking for great stories at the end of the day. And Davina's no different, right? Well, her story is called Begin Again. That's her podcast, right? Yeah. And she's a couple of years older than us. She's begun again. We begin again. And we just keep beginning again until we're not here anymore. I'm going to finish up with a question that I ask everybody on the show as well. I know you love your music as well. I don't know if you've thought about this. Most people are thrown when I ask them this question. No, please.

1:08:49Alex Chisnall:I love it. But if you could pick one song that we could put on our specific playlist that typifies your journey. Yeah, there's only one song. Is there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is Abracadabra by the Steve Miller band. What a great tune. And it was Hannah's favourite song. Was it? Yeah, and we played at her funeral and I gave everyone a magic wand and I actually have one. Did you really? I could totally imagine you doing that, Pete. Yeah, and I'm giving this to Davina. Oh yeah, that's so cool. The thing about Abracadabra, It comes from a Hebrew word, which means I create as I speak. So speaking is creation.

1:09:33And Davina talks a lot about that. She's spoken things into existence. I think a lot of people are scared to speak up and speak out about what they want to do and what they're going to create. And I think that's part of what I'd like this legacy to be for you, Alex, that over the next few weeks and months, it becomes a bit clearer to you around what are you doing? What are you creating? What are you putting out there into the world? So yeah, Abracadabra by the Steve Miller Band has got to be. We played that at Hannah's funeral and everyone sang it.

1:10:04Alex Chisnall:And I can, again, we talked about certain memories with films and stuff earlier. I can remember the first time I heard that song. And again, it was in Canada when I was with my brother and my father. and I can distinctly remember hearing that for the first time and just thinking, I love this song, who is this? And whenever I hear it on the radio, it just brings back good memories. And now it'll make even more of a memory. And I would say, you know, Alex, do you think that's random or do you think that that was already kind of in this weird kind of way of matrix? Like all these things are already connected.

1:10:39Alex Chisnall:Well, you said earlier, you mentioned right at the very start, Steve Jobs and Steve Jobs is the famous quote about it's only when you look backwards you can connect the dots. If you don't stop you can't connect the dots and you go around and round in circles and look what he did. He's changed the world. And on that note. Thank you very much. It's been a pleasure. If this conversation resonated with you don't just sit there act on it. Make sure you follow or subscribe for more game-changing conversations and remember the only thing standing between you and your business breakthrough is the decision to screw it and just do it.