ACCESS Wrapped: Our favorite guest moments so far

26:41There is. This might be the third year in a row that I pick up my badge, but don't go to the show floor, which is kind of a thing that I've liked becoming, I've liked turning into a ritual. But yeah, no, the show floor at CS has not mattered in a really long time. Do Booth Babes still exist or is that also long gone. That's pretty much gone, thankfully. What has now happened is there's this second CS, the shadow CS that happens at all the fancy hotels where I spend most of my time because I'm a schmoozer on steroids, I guess. But yeah, it's like a bunch of more early, late 90s, early 2000s rapper parties than you could imagine.

27:24This year, I think Snap, your former employer is going to have Snoop Dogg. Yahoo is going to have Public Enemy, which is like, yeah, this is perfect, man. It's a perfect encapsulation of CES or parties like that. And I'll be doing a dinner actually with some great people at the Wynn one night. I'm excited about that. And hopefully I can drag you to the poker table. I know you're only in town in Vegas for a little bit with me, but I got to get you playing a little cards. I can cheer you on as a good co-host does. Okay, cool. Well, we should get into our recap here. So first up, we got to start with our first guest.

28:04We came out with a bang. We had Zuck from Meta. This was an annual sit down that I do with him. He's gracious enough to do it for the new pod with us, which was great. And in hindsight, I should have known that this was going to be the clip that went the most viral it got. How did you not know? You know, sometimes you think you have the news judgment after all these years and you still have a blind spot. I guess that's why it's still fun. Sometimes you just still kind of never know if a tweet is going to hit or not. Yeah. Anyway, there's this moment where I talk to him about the AI bubble and he talks about maybe losing a few hundred billion dollars and people really latched onto this.

28:44Let's play it. No one knows when superintelligence is going to be possible. Is it going to be three years? Is it going to be five years? It's going to be eight years? Whatever. Is it never going to happen? but I don't think it's never going to happen. I'm more ambitious or optimistic. I think it's going to be on the sooner side. But let's say that you weren't sure if it was going to be three or five years. In a conservative business situation, maybe you'd hedge building out your infrastructure because you're worried that if you build it out, assuming it's going to be three years and it takes five, then you've lost maybe a couple hundred billion dollars or something.

29:18My view is that - that's a lot of money. Well, no. Well, I was going to say, in the grand scheme, it is objectively a huge amount of money. Yeah. Right? I mean, didn't you just tell Trump you were going to spend like$600 billion? I mean, that's - I did. Yeah, through 2028, which is - That's a lot of money. It is. And if we end up misspending a couple of hundred billion dollars, I think that that is going to be very unfortunate, obviously. But what I'd say is, I actually think the risk is higher on the other side. So yeah. A sentence that not many people can actually say. But yeah, what did you make of that?

29:55Well, what's he doing with it, you think? I mean, I know a lot has gone into Llama, which is not getting the headlines that it once was being the open model that it was. I mean, how would you break down that investment, you think? I think next year is the real year where they have to prove that they're going to get something out of all of this, all those big hires he was doing this year. they're working on a new model it's apparently called like avocado or something i hope that's not the public name i think that's the internal name and i think they want to be talking about we like avocados here in la yeah they're fine um but i think they want to be back on the frontier at least kind of nipping at the heels of google and open ai and anthropic and not like so far behind that they're totally out of the conversation which they are right now That said, man, like a lot of boomers use Facebook and use MetAI, probably whether they know it or not.

30:50And if I had to guess, MetAI is still actually probably a top five, if not top three chatbot, just based on the fact that it is everywhere in Instagram and Facebook. Yeah. A couple hundred billion accidental taps per month on that little purple circle that is in the search bar in every Meta product now. I mean, I'm just so fascinated by Zuck's continuing desire to invest in the future, which you have to respect and appreciate, but it just doesn't align with even as their meta brand kind of became more agnostic of products. The entire rest of the space, as we've talked about a bit on the show, is often building for each other, making Silicon Valley faster, trying to win things back from other markets around the world, trying to work on agents for productivity, get AI into every enterprise.

31:44And it's got to be like a whole lot of FOMO for Zuck during this wave to not really be able to participate in almost any of that. I mean, I think we saw with Horizon Worlds and some of that stuff, at least he could make the claim back when metaverses were hot that metaverse is where a lot of work is going to happen. But I don't really see anywhere that AI is natively being used on meta properties that they aren't being used elsewhere. I think if it's the social side, it's kind of being used as a creativity tool the same way that it would be on any other platform, whether it is YouTube shorts or Instagram reels or whatever.

32:22I wonder exactly how he's going to use that and try and somehow... I mean, obviously, they have a million billion people with connections at enterprises around the world. I don't know. Maybe is it going to be through Facebook for brands, like the ways that they make ads easier to create, automate the ingestion of your entire product catalog and make good ads out of it. But then every ad is just going to kind of look like that. I don't know. Maybe that's what AI is going to do differently is it's not going to make them as generic, I think, as the product carousel ads, but make every ad unique, maybe something like that.

32:56I don't know. I mean, what do you feel like they're going to build with AI that is most true to who they are? I think the thing they're excited about is the glasses, the display glasses, which I have a pair of. And the AI stuff is, you know, if they had Anthropic or Gemini in there, which I think Google is going to come out with, you know, we also talked to Samir at Android about that on the show this year. Google is going to come out with their AI glasses next year, 2026. But that's the real money shot with this is like visual AI understanding on your face, I think. It was pretty impressive in the demo.

33:30And if they can get back on the frontier with that and hook in some of the social stuff, that's going to be pretty compelling. Our next clip is with Friend AI pendant CEO Avi Schiffman, who told us a bit about why he was spending most of his VC money on billboards around the world. I think they were in New York initially. Now they're rolling out in Europe. I saw they were in Chicago as well. But here's Avi's take on why he is doing that, even though many say the product isn't quite ready yet. What I admire about you is you have such a strong vibes-based belief. You're saying you don't care about the studies, whatever.

34:09You're doing all this anecdotal research, and you have this conviction that seems also like personally rooted in what you want, but you just seem to know like in your bones that there's a market for this. I mean, I feel like your intuition is like a thousand times higher bandwidth than like all these bullshit case studies and all these things, right? Like, you know, you always know like the right thing, like, you know, especially with like, you know, human relationships, right? Or all kinds of things. You always have like a strong gut feeling. And like, I've just found that when you trust that, it works well.

34:39Like, I think the majority of people really need to have like a test of faith in their life where they really do a major project or whatever, where they really trust their intuition and they see success as a result of that. And I think once you see success of really believing in yourself, I feel like that's something that sticks with you for the rest of your life. And I think I've had quite a lot of that, at least in my youth. And I think that's definitely what helps me now. Am I probably overconfident in some way? I don't know, probably. And I don't think I'm probably doing everything correctly.

35:05And I think, you know, there's a very high chance that maybe it all collapses and I get to just drive off a cliff or something and we'll see what happens. But I think I would rather just try. And I feel like there's no aspect of friend that looks like we didn't try. And, you know, I'm just down to go all in and like see what happens. Like I just, I don't like to hedge and I don't like to compromise in absolutely anything. And I don't know. I also just feel like I try to have, I mean, I have no side projects and there's nothing else I'm thinking about. And I feel like I spend 99 % of the time trying to think about but the strategy aspect of it.

35:41And there's not many things that is going on internally at the company. It's just me and two other guys. And we're just hyper-focused and it feels like the right path. It just feels so... I feel like I just give in to destiny. I have a religious fervor in my intuition and to just trust that and see what happens. Interesting looking back to this moment, Avi definitely came out as one of the first torchbearers for mass market AI companionship. I think there have been a lot of tweets since then pointing to the App Store reviews showing that they really don't have very many users or this or that. But I guess his big bet is just trying to become the Kleenex for AI companionship, which is an interesting cultural bet that in terms of marketing theory, when people think to themselves, I think I'm ready for an AI friend.

36:37Of course, I'd go to the one that I've seen on the billboards, friend.com. That's why he paid so much for the URL. At the same time, though, I do think the product has to pay it off. And I think if there's one thing I've personally learned since then, including working on a handful of other AI companion clients and trying out others in the real world, is that the context really does matter so much in starting conversations. And I think Friend, in its current iteration at least, was listening for not a whole lot of reason, at least in terms of the two months that I tested it before the billboards went live.

37:15Now I'm a little afraid to wear it because I don't want to get punched in the face now that everybody knows what it is. But I've tested one, for example, that looks at your email and your calendar and other things that you share with it. And it was able to, in my view, act a lot more like the type of friend that I want. As a result, it was able to recommend music and movies and games to me. It was able to make things based on pictures it asks for with AI. And I can't share quite what it is just yet, but I do think that feature set is going to be more or less commoditized, which is the reason that I bring it up.

37:53AI companions that have access to all of your context. And I have come to believe that that is probably going to be a far more fruitful route for personalized AI than listening to your world. So I think maybe some people will be relieved by that. All that said, it does seem that on the other side, Avi really was on to something with this physical object that you could talk to. I think we're now starting to see the stream ring and some other products come to market that allow you to talk to AI at any time to record notes, ask questions, get results back on your phone. But yeah, I almost view those as like two separate things.

38:33One is the friendship side that needs to deeply understand you from day one if you're going to use it. the other is just the omnipresent AI in your life that you, you know, sick it on tasks and set up reminders and ask it to order more groceries and things like that. Yeah. My thing with friend and I told Avi at the time was like, it was too opinionated and not useful enough from like a productivity granola recall perspective, because it was just this, you know, very like opaque, a thing that you could talk to and got weren't sure what you could get back. You couldn't pull up transcripts. If it had all that functionality and the opinionated Avi AI persona as well, maybe it would have done a little better.

39:18But yeah, I mean, I've seen the jokes that he has more billboards than users too on X. But I got to give it to Avi. He swung for the fences on this one. And I'm sure there will be an interesting end to that story, whether Friend and its current iteration works or not. Yeah. I mean, do you believe that everybody is going to have more than one AI, like the companion AI and the useful AI. I feel like that's something that I've been going back and forth on it a lot. Because I do believe that in the same way that people don't want to talk to their EA, the exact same as their therapist. Obviously, they have different skill sets.

39:51But I think the human mind is kind of contextually compartmentalized in that way. And then again, I mean, he is right that I do think people are more honest with these AIs than they are with the people that they know. So his instincts, I think if he has time and enough runway to pivot and make it even better, could be really interesting. Yeah. Well, speaking of runway, let's go to our next clip. We had Chris, the CEO of runway on the show. And I enjoyed this exchange we had about Hollywood's fear of AI, because it's only gotten worse since this conversation. And I like what he said about this topic because the mood here in LA on AI has really, I think only gotten worse.

40:37And the mood just in general has gotten worse since this conversation around Hollywood and the entertainment industry. And I've been actually referencing this exchange and some conversations since then. So let's go ahead and play it. Ellis and I both live in LA. The mood is, I would say, I don't know how you would describe it, it's like not great uh you know it's kind of grim it's like a mix of not great and like highly buzzed on matcha i would say which is not a good combo there's a lot of like out of work writers at all time uh in ellis's neighborhood like on a tuesday afternoon you know like i bring the tissues and they're all gone by the time i leave but do you think that has something to do with the eye or is something else structurally no i don't i think it has a lot to do with the government and the tax incentives and a lot of practical stuff that people don't talk about, but there's already this mood.

41:28And then there is, you know, I was just having lunch with like a talent agent last week and he's like, this is all anyone can talk about, right? Is AI, it's going to take all our jobs. Everyone's already, feels like their jobs are being taken. I don't really see it as that two-dimensional. I'm assuming you don't either, but yeah, I mean, address this like topic of like, is Hollywood fucked or not? Well, I think you actually said something interesting, which is like a lot of the causes for why Hollywood is like in this spot right now has to do with something people don't want to speak about, which is like all the things people know are structurally like not really working, but they're hard to address, which is like tax incentives, the strikes.

42:10There's like projects being done overseas. There's like all the things that are just like outside of AI. It's like, you know, it's like similar to the water problem with AI. you know, AI, I don't know if you guys have kind of tracked some of the narrative. It's like, people who are obsessed with like consumption of water, of AI. And like, if you plot that against like every other like water, like consumption of water in other industries, like golf courses consume like 6 % of water in the US and data centers like less than 1%. But like fighting golf courses feels less interesting than like being against AI.

42:46Yeah. I wasn't quite sure when he said it, but I looked it up after the fact and he was right. Golf courses do in fact consume way more water than data centers in the US. So that's been an interesting data point because you hear the water thing and the energy thing constantly. And in fact, there's many other greater energy sources than data centers. Not to say it's not growing, but I think just an interesting example of how people latch on to these narratives to try to make themselves feel better and give themselves a villain to project the, I think, rightful concern that people have about the state of Hollywood.

43:21But just, yeah, I thought it was an interesting exchange. Yeah. I also think that, as always, it's a bit more nuanced than it initially seems when it comes to AI for Hollywood. I think when people think about AI for Hollywood, it's often about replacing actors, making things faster, all of that type of thing. But I think what we've seen, at least for now so far, is that people absolutely hate the AI aesthetic, which I think you could arguably claim is maybe like closest to what Marvel has been doing, even without AI in terms of the blurry, careless CGI that has been a big part of their movies for the last 10 years.

44:03And if you look at the Coca-Cola ad, if you look at some of the other ads you're seeing on TV that borrow from the AI aesthetic, I think that stuff is already seeing such a big blowback. I think probably where it's going to come in is with things that are deliberately trying to be kaleidoscopic and experimental. I mean, I'm thinking of like the artist Michelle Gondry, or even I saw a quote from James Cameron the other day saying that, yeah, it takes eight fucking years to make an Avatar movie. If I could speed up some of these processes, that would be nice. And I do think it is probably going to find its home inside of a lot of those workflows, as opposed to what people think of today as like a movie that looks like an AI generated movie.

44:44I think that is in all likelihood not going to be what Hollywood chooses to do or what audiences like over the long term. But I will tell you, Ellis, we can get super intelligence next year and James Cameron will still take eight years to make the next Avatar. Probably true.

45:29Sweet. Today we live in the era of Microsoft DOS interfaces for AI, and there will be something more, something very visually enticing, something much more exciting, interactive, something GUI-based. Think of it as there was Microsoft DOS and then Windows or macOS appeared. So there will be a different, I don't almost say operating system, a different interface layer on top of AI that will allow people to use all software, not just apps, but also AI models in this completely new, different way? Yeah, so I think Eugenia is still right on the money with a lot of this vision. I think the question is, who is going to claim the actual software creation?

46:17Since then, we're starting to see ChatGPT both automate things that don't need a UI and also actually redraw UI for certain software and services inside of the chat GPT feed. And I would bet that I feel like Google has already teased this as well, that these companies are just going to start creating apps for you based on what it is that they think you need. While I do love her narrative that there is going to be this YouTube for software, I think even with YouTube, as much as video is democratized, most people are still not creators. And so I think that's kind of the question for me is, as easy as it is, are people going to want to create their own software?

47:00Or are our most contextual AI services just going to volunteer them, make them for us and say, hey, I thought you might want to use this. I didn't realize that this wasn't out publicly. This is still in private beta? I think so. Wow. Yeah, it's all over my XV. I mean, obviously, that's super niche. I mean, I think it's an open-ish. Yeah. I mean, people are making really cool stuff with it and sharing it. And she's very good at resharing it. And it does seem like it's really taking off, at least in the very kind of inner circle tech crowd that we care a lot about. I'm very curious to see once it's in public release, like full public, how people adopt it.

47:41Yeah. And what the usage is like. Her app store for AI apps concept I liked. And I remember how we were needling her on the App Store rules and Apple and how she was going to have to dance around the fact that they don't like apps within apps. And then I saw after the fact that one of her advisors is Matt Fisher, who ran the App Store for like almost 20 years. And I was like, oh, she's figured it out. So good for you, Jenny. And yeah, even still in private beta, getting a ton of traction with that. So good for her. Yeah, I can't say I've had a ton of luck myself trying to make apps for myself.

48:16Maybe I'm just asking for the wrong things. I think a lot of this stuff is still to be worked out. Things like push notifications especially seem to be a little iffy. Like if you want to set up an app to send you a push notification whenever some cool artist refreshes their merch page or something like that. Or your daughter poops. Or my daughter poops. Yeah. Hey, we could probably combine that with the toilet sensor and have it all be fully automated, right? I think there's a startup for that. MCP, that's shut up. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. But it's all happening pretty fast, which is fun to watch.

48:52I will say my home screen on my iPhone has yet to change. That's a good sign. As some metric. Okay, let's go to our next one. So this is It's Winston from Harvey, the AI legal rapper startup. And this was our first live show, which was also really fun. But I particularly liked and people, listeners enjoyed what Winston had to say about surviving as a AI rapper against all of the other big AI labs. Yeah. Do you worry about getting Sherlocked by OpenAI or Anthropic? 100%, and I think it is the best hygiene for an application layer company to have. I think if you are thinking that, you are going to make some company bets that prepare you for that long term.

49:40It's going to make you maybe eat some short-term gains, but it will help you long term. And I'll give you an example of this. As simple as we started our GTM strategy going to the largest firms and the largest enterprises. The reason why is partially I strongly believe that if these systems get better, a lot of the lower end legal work is going to get commoditized. So if you build something for that, it's much easier for, you know, Chattw to come in and just basically obliterate you, right? And so even simple, simple things like that, like that probably slowed down our revenue growth by a lot, right?

50:14But I think it's worth it because long-term. And there's a lot more bets that we've made that are like that, but I think you just constantly have to have that mindset. Is it a tricky balance though? because I feel like you probably talk to people at the labs all the time. I mean, you're a revenue source for them through their APIs. How does that song and dance go? Yeah, I mean... You probably get previews of new models. Like, how do you... We do, but... But then you're also like, oh, they may try to kill me one day. Yeah, there's two levels to this, I think. So level one, which hopefully everyone is constantly thinking about, is in order to get value capture, my platform has to be X amount better than whatever you can get from them, right?

50:50So that's number one. Hopefully everyone is thinking that way long term. That's the easiest one. The easiest to think about. The second one is just assume that they're just going to directly go into your vertical. Just no matter what. Just assume that they're going to. How would you defend against that and on what timescale, right? And you can think like what are the advantages that they would have? What would they build? How would they get mass distribution? Like all of these different things. And if you're thinking about that stuff long term, you might be giving up ground to some like current competitors in the startup space.

51:22But long-term, you have just a much bigger moat against, I think, what actually matters. So yeah, Winston is obviously, and Harvey, considered one of the preeminent successful quote-unquote rapper companies where they were very early to just incorporating models and going very niche into the legal field in this example and seemed to be having a lot of early traction. But yeah, no, people, especially I think the more entrepreneur crowd, really appreciated his perspective on this. It's nice to look back on this, some of this stuff that seems questionable in the moment about the value of a wrapper or otherwise.

51:59A few months later, it starts to feel obvious. Companies building for specific verticals, specific industries, specific needs, security requirements based on what sector they're in. There's a lot of work to do there outside of just like helping you dig through all your documents and pull together resources into a PRD for your new product strategy or whatever. And so, yeah, I'm definitely a believer that wrappers are here to stay. And I think that probably goes along with this emergent belief that AI is just kind of the new fabric. It's not necessarily the one size fits all, and there's only going to be one winner in AI.

52:41But we're going to have a lot of different apps that make use of it. Here's another clip from one of our early interviewees, Dylan Field, the CEO of Figma, hot on the heels of his IPO. When you're generating things and you're getting this average result, that's not what people want. I think that we're in a world where with AI, good enough is not enough. Good enough is now mediocre. So if you really want to stand out, you have to be great. How can Figma help make you great? This is one of the quotes from Dylan that got shared pretty broadly on LinkedIn, at least. And I think he's right on here.

53:26And one of the things that came up recently, a tweet from Aaron Levy, the CEO of Box, talking about how AI or different technologies of the past don't just take jobs, but they create them and also raise the bar. He tweeted, historically, this happens all the time. If you told someone about Figma or Google AdWords in the 1970s, they'd have expected marketing jobs to plummet since we could do many different jobs inside of a single role, when in reality, the opposite has happened. He said, how did we experience a 5x increase in these jobs from the thousands to the millions in 50 years at the exact same time that technology made this work far more efficient?

54:05He says, actually, it's precisely because of these efficiencies. We went from advertising being the domain only of the largest companies to something that almost any small business could participate in. I feel like this is definitely a vision that is also coming true. The idea that while some jobs that either were slow or outdated or outmoded will go away, essentially what AI is doing is giving a lot more disciplines that people usually didn't have access to, to far more people, far more companies, and also raising the bar at the same time for what that looks like. I mean, even if you just look at the way that Facebook ads have changed over the years, or even Google ads as so much advertising, performance advertising at least, has gotten automated, it pushes forward the cutting edge and the state of the art faster and faster because everybody is competing against each other.

54:57There's still as much competition as ever once the tools get better. And so that just pushes people to be better in their own right. Yeah, no, I totally agree. And a good soundbite from Dylan. More guests that give good soundbites, please, for 2026. That's what I'm manifesting. Okay, I think we could end it here. This clip was, I think, a special one. We had Rise of Martin, the founder of Hawks, as an early guest on the show. And she shared more of a personal story of the nerve-wracking, gut-wrenching process of leaving a cushy job at Google to build a startup and some advice that her husband gave her.

55:37And I thought it was really nice. So you're riding high, you've made Google cool, and then you decide to leave and do a startup? Is that what happened? Yes. Yes. I actually, I think it was so unbelievable to many people that they thought I was unwell. And I didn't realize it until later that people thought I might have not been okay. But they, you know, I'll never forget when I quit, Josh was like, hey, he's like, maybe you need a break. He's like, maybe you just need a vacation. Maybe you're tired. And I was like, Josh, what are you talking about? I was like, this is the biggest moment in my life.

56:13I'm like taking this thing that I worked so hard for and I am leaving it behind because I see the promise of something else outside. I was like, I've never thought clearer in my life. And it was actually quite emotional for me, you know, because of like what I had shared earlier, which was I didn't come from, you know, particularly wealthy background. Like I immigrated to the States. I didn't get to go to college. And I found myself at Google making more than I ever had in my life. And I was just suddenly ready to walk away from it. And so there was actually one night I woke up. It was like at 4 a.m.

56:49and I just burst into tears. I was just like crying. Right. And this was before I quit. I was about to quit. And I was crying. And my husband was just so startled. He was like, are you OK? Does something hurt? Do you have to go to the hospital? And I was like, I'm so emotional about this moment because I realized that my dream was to go start a company. And I was like, I have never felt that the right time was now more than ever. But I also have never felt so poor in my life. I was like, it's just so it's so crazy that I like am imagining walking away from this thing that I built for me and my family.

57:29and my husband was looking at me he's just like listen to this he's like listen he's like you know they're gonna try to give you like money to stay right but he's like how much do you think you're worth how much are your ideas worth I was like what he's like what's the number he's like how much is your idea worth I was like I don't know he's like okay is it 10 million dollars I was like I don't know he's like is it a hundred million and I'm like what are you asking me I'm like bawling my eyes out you're asking me a number and he like grabs me he's like listen girl He's like, you are not a$10 million girl.

58:01You're not even a$100 million girl. He's like, you're a$1 billion idea girl. He's like, you go out there, you do it. And he's like, and I got you. And I'm like, where did he get this? At like four in the morning. But it was to me like just one of the most like impactful moments of my life where I was like, here I am, you know, thinking about it this way. And I live with this person who sees me in this like totally different way. And he was like, you go get it. He's like, you go quit your job. He's like, don't go into this afraid. And I was like, man, wow. Yeah, crazy. I think he's coming on the show next.

58:35What a guy. Yeah, man, that's just what it's all about, right? I don't know. I've been thinking a lot about that, especially, you know, you started a business recently. I started one very recently. And the pressure you put on yourself and having people in your corner, like Riza's husband saying stuff like that. And, you know, it's the entrepreneurial journey, right? And I thought it was really cool of her to share that with everyone. And I got a lot of good feedback that people appreciated her vulnerability there. And I hope for more convos like that next year, 2026. That's tech at its best, right?

59:07And I mean, playing off that last quote about AI raising the capabilities and the bar, I do feel like while there is an insane amount of money being thrown at startup founders right now, you've got to believe that there are a lot of other people who aren't necessarily startup founder CEOs who are considering starting a business for the first time in internet business, an online business, a subscription, a service, content, now that it is getting so much faster to create and monetize and share and market whatever it is that you do, whether it is through Shopify, whether it is through AI-generated video, whatever it is, even having an AI EA or even a real EA that lives somewhere else around the world that's empowered by AI.

59:54I think people are getting faster and a lot more likely to try on their own, where before maybe it would have felt insurmountable. Yeah. And Rise is living proof of that. And Hux is growing, it seems. And I still check it every now and then. Do you check it? Not in a minute, because my podcast time has been taken over by my one and a half year old now that she can demand Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. That kind of coincided with the Hux launch a little while ago. Fair. But yeah, I think I would be checking it otherwise. That's a good reason.

1:00:34Well, that was our recap of the year. I mean, we launched the show in September. We've had a bunch of great guests. And I got to say, man, it's been great doing this with you. So it's been cool to, you know, we've been friends for a long time, but to kind of reconnect through this show and have families hang out and get to talk about all this stuff, it's meant a lot to me. So thanks for being on the ride. Likewise, my friend. Also, big thanks to our families for supporting us. We all know that podcasts take time, especially when they are with busy founders whose schedules are always in flux pretty much until the night before.

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