In short
Women (and people of color) in construction not being taken seriously, leading to imposter syndrome and a need to learn to stand up for oneself.
Guest background
The speaker describes being shy as a child, hiding behind their mother, then developing a “strong backbone” through difficult career conversations and experiences.
Key claims
Women and people of color are doubted, require double-checking, and are treated as if they don’t know what they’re saying; standing up for yourself and being in a supportive company makes a major difference.
Notable examples
A senior person suggested the guest “put my stilettos on” and join sales instead of supporting their growth; another told them to “drink a cup of concrete and toughen up,” which the guest questioned as gender/race-based.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOVoice and Imposter Syndrome
0:00 to 0:38
Exploring the challenges of being heard and facing imposter syndrome.
“I think the biggest thing is having your voice heard and being taken seriously.”
Building Backbone Through Experience
0:38 to 1:34
Discussing how difficult experiences shape confidence and assertiveness.
“I was at a moment where I thought I should be a senior.”
Challenging Gender and Racial Stereotypes
1:34 to 2:18
Sharing personal anecdotes about confronting sexist and racist remarks.
Finding Supportive Work Environments
2:18 to 2:29
Highlighting the importance of being in a workplace that values diversity.
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00I think the biggest thing is having your voice heard and being taken seriously. I think that's a really big thing for people also in my generation of just having imposter syndrome massively. And I think being a woman and being, I would even say even just a person of color, you feel like people don't take you seriously or sometimes they feel like you don't know what you're saying or they don't believe you and they always have to double check. And so it's become quite a big learning curve for me to sort of stand up for myself. I was always the little kid that hid behind my mom's legs and I never wanted to speak up and I was always really shy.
0:37And actually having a lot of difficult conversations and lots of difficult experiences throughout my career has formed me into a person that's got quite a strong backbone now. I sort of if you don't agree with me I'm it's quite easy for me to sort of stand up and say okay well that's your opinion I'm going to move on and move and that's it and I've had a lot of experiences in my career where I've had to do that and sort of say I don't like the way I'm being treated so I'm just gonna have to walk away what's the worst thing that's been said to you I've got two in my mind okay one of them was from a very senior person in a company said I was at a moment where I wasn't sure what to do with my career.
1:19I was at a moment where I thought I should be a senior. I wasn't sure anymore. And I was told that it would be really good if I just put my stilettos on and could join sales. And I just didn't know what to do. And especially coming from someone that's so high up, you're sort of afraid to say anything. Wow. Yeah. The other one, I'm not so sure about. um the other one's pretty bad still but someone said to me um you should drink a cup of concrete and toughen up and I just thought would you say this to a man if there was anyone else would you have said this is it because I'm a woman is it because I'm a person of color especially with the stereotype of a lot of Asian women especially the stereotype is that we're very submissive you know we have no backbone and we can be walked over very easily and so in those moments I was just like okay well I'm not gonna stand for this just gonna walk away yeah and and it makes such a big difference when you you're in a company that you know appreciates you and know that they don't see you that way but you don't realize until you're gone
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