157: Vicky Pattison on leaving Strictly and Her Longtime Friendship with Pete

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3:11So, we do have a co-host, a guest co-host in today. She was last on the pod in May last year. Lots has happened since then. You may have seen us together on all sorts of things over the years, including Gogglebox. Vicky hosted the Honesty Box. She joined us at the O2. Oh, I've just said who it is. Fuck. It's Vicky Patterson. I am the worst secret squirrel in the world. Oh, you're fucking useless. Honestly, just in the background, you snorting like a little farmyard animal. I'm just excited. It's my best friends here. I've clapped myself. I'm more just excited. Are you excited? I'm so excited. I mean, we've been here for about two hours and not done anything yet because we were just busy chatting.

3:55I feel like we haven't seen each other in too long. We saw each other on Monday. Yeah, but you left me. You ditched me. No, no, no. Okay, right, we'll get on to this. But basically, Vicky and I were at the Fashion Awards. You can't call it the BFAs anymore. Why not? Because they got rid of it. So it's not the British Fashion Awards. It's just the TFAs, the Fashion Awards. Oh, okay. Yeah, I've been calling it the BFA's on my socials. I know I was specifically told it has to be TFA. God, no one gave me that memo. I fucked it. Well, it is what it is. But you did look great. Thank you, babe. So did you.

4:25How was it for you? Do you know, I don't like awards. No. I don't like awards ceremonies in general. Like, I think you spend all day getting ready. And like, I don't mind getting ready. But like, it's just so long. And then for women, it's never comfortable. Your dresses are never comfortable. I mean, yours was a serious dress as well. Babe, it was so structured. I could barely breathe. Every was standing on it. I just felt like I was such an inconvenience. Also as well, the fashion awards is, it's a bit of a tricky one because it's not the NTAs. It's not Pride of Britain. So people aren't like, Vicky, Pete, like, oh, so good to see you.

4:59It's like, you've got big fashion models there. You know, you've got big fashion people. So like when I walk on the red carpet, all the paps just put their cameras down. Yeah. It's so embarrassing. But they didn't for you because you looked incredible. Let's just give a shout out to Kelly Hidge. Oh, she was amazing. That's Vic Stylist and a friend of mine. We like you, Carol. We love you. But you did look amazing. The Fashion Awards is a tough one, though, isn't it? I find it really difficult, though, fashion-y ones, because I'm not really a fashion-y person. I think you are. I think you do yourself a disservice.

5:27You're far cooler than me. I'm not cool at all. Yeah, but I think there's a difference. Fashion and style are two different things. Fair enough. Fashion is following trends, and that's being all out there and kind of doing all that and kind of reinventing the wheel and all the rest of it. Style, I think, is personal to you and wearing what suits you. Yeah. And I think there's a big difference. So I wear what suits me. I don't necessarily do like a trendy type thing. Yeah. So I didn't really know what to wear for it. And I never, well, I never know what to wear. So I feel you there. But I thought you nailed it.

5:53Some people go full and I just think, look, they do. Like I'm not, I'm not naming any names before you ask. But I just thought some people like, Jesus Christ. Like it's just too much for me. Maybe I'm just not cool enough. It's very like, look at me, look at me. Yes, it is. And like my dress was a little bit like that, but I think I stayed quite true to myself. but I thought yours Pete I thought it was very stylish I thought it was very classic and I just think you can look at that picture at 10 years time and still be like oh yeah I nailed that that's cool some of them you're going to look in five minutes and think oh well it wasn't well it wasn't just you that thought that because I did make the best dress list yes I just wore a tux that's literally all I did he's being modest as always but yeah it was I nearly didn't make it though a bit why Because I had a fall at the weekend.

6:43I simply can't with you saying things like that. Like, I already feel old. If you're going to start saying things like, oh, I had a fall and my knees are playing up because of the weather. Like, I swear to God, it's doing nothing for my mental health because I'm older than you. But yeah, I didn't. I nearly didn't make it to Monday because I had this fall. So I bashed up my knee and smashed my face on the floor and broke my tooth. You still got a chip in this? No, because I went to the dentist on Monday to have kind of like a fake tooth while they make me a new tooth, which I go to get fitted on Saturday.

7:20I've got composite bonding on. I've got teeth, yeah, I've got pulsa. But I've got composite bonding on mine and I'm always chipping it. I love me dentist, techie's class, but isn't going to the dentist a chew on? Teeth by techie. Teeth by techie? Yeah, I know techie. He's a lovely fella. But going to the dentist is such a fucking chew on. I hear things in your mouth. There's not many things I'm scared of.

7:41What are you scared of? The dentist? Poor okay. Oh no. Nobody likes bluzzers. Nobody does. Oh I do. No women like bluzzers. Oh I love them. That was weird. That was weird. She's not on the BBC anymore bitches. We're going to get onto that in a minute. Also. So I've seen you quite a bit actually. Right. So me and Vic have been friends for what? Fifty fucking years? Fifteen years? About fifteen years. About fifteen years. The longest relationship with a man. Yeah, my longest relationship with anyone. Literally anyone. No one is shocked. Bar my mother. Me and Tracy. But last week I saw you as well because you came to the screening for Dog's Sake.

8:28I just don't, I just feel like you. I thought something had happened. Yeah, I'm going to say something because I just feel like you never take the opportunity to blow your own horn. Do you blow horns? Do you toot horns? Do you toot horns? Toot trumpet? Toot horn? Horn? Sorry, that was a whole... No one said it. That was a whole... Welcome to my brain. Shit. It was like you malfunctioned for a minute. I glitched. She needs to update her software. No, so I don't ever think you take a moment to give yourself your flowers. Look, it's going to get uncomfortable here. you're a very modest man very humble it's very endearing one of the things I love about you most but I've known Peter for as long as he says and it's been an absolute pleasure being your friend for that for that long but I've seen you go through a real transformation I've seen you work hard I've seen you advocate for dogs in private I've seen you try harder than anyone I know to get this project made and show this issue some much needed sunlight you know and to see you on the Christmas special, in your element, in a space that you thrive in, doing this justice.

9:33Like, it was, for me, as a best friend, honestly, I'm going to cry. It was fucking... I fucking... Why do you cry on everything we do? I cry all the time. Honestly. She's wetter than an otter's pocket, this bird. But it was just so lovely. I literally went home to my husband. I went home to Irk and I was like, he's so fucking good. He's so fucking good. but he's such a good presenter. The show is so amazing. It was just such a lovely watch. It was everything I wanted it to be. It was like the perfect, are you gonna give me a tissue? You're so kind. Thank you. I'll keep these, because this will not be the last time.

10:08But like, you're just the perfect man for the job. Also you've got the tone so right. Like it was funny in parts and it was like more heartfelt and serious when it needed to be. And oh, it was just so lovely. I'm sorry. I'm such a fanny. Honestly, so she came into fucking man-made and cried away through it, but that's because we were talking about series. This is supposed to be a fucking comedy podcast. And within, what? It's been 10 minutes again. You can guarantee, if you're around Vic, within 10 minutes, there'll be tears about something. I feel my feels. Jesus, I don't have any. Whatsoever.

10:43You do. You are not as made of stone as you like to pretend. Well, thank you for that, darling. I appreciate it. Pull me chits away now. Hang on. There we go. Excellent. Wonderful. We're going to get on to the big thing The big thing? Well, yeah, I mean the big thing The big thing? The big thing Yes, bring the tissue Okay Strictly come dancing I know It's still on But I'm just not in it But you're not in it How many weeks has it been now? Two weeks? Two weeks, yeah How are you feeling? I spoke to Vic Right, let me just give you a kind of a backstory to this. Vic has wanted you to do this show for as long as I can remember to the point where you had mood boards and vision boards or whatever you call them about doing Strictly and I've never seen anyone so happy when you actually got the fucking gig.

11:39And you were fucking super nervous before you started. So scared. You come from the same background as I do in terms of the fact never fucking danced before, never done a fucking thing. Can I just say before we get into this, you were fucking incredible. I'm going to cry. Genuinely. I remember I've been to see you at Strictly a few times and honestly I couldn't be proud of how good you were as a dancer. Forget all the other stuff. You genuinely were fucking brilliant and for someone that had never done it before at all because some people they do have experience and they've got this that and the other and dancing is dancing if you can get it.

12:17You've never even clapped to a beat. You're very similar to me and I have seen you dance when we have been out and it is a fucking car crash it's so shite so for you to pick it up the way you did and be as brilliant as what you did to the point where you I mean you were fucking top of the leaderboard the week before you left was it 39 out of 40 39 out of 40 for a long time I was the highest scoring girl I think Kaz Carney has beat us quite rightly so she was fantastic but yeah it was a bit of an achievement yeah well it's not a bit of an achievement it's fucking incredible like genuinely incredible so not just me but I think Everyone was fucking shocked when you left, including you.

12:50I was so shocked. I spoke to you the morning after on the Sunday, and I thought, okay, she's had a bit of time because I knew you'd be really upset. So I thought Saturday night should have calmed down. I called her on Sunday morning about 9 o 'clock, and I went, Vic, you're all right? And I couldn't understand a fucking word she was saying. Have you recovered? Yes, I have. Well, what's it like watching now that you're not part of it? Because everyone always says that. Because you said to me, like, how long is this going to last? How long am I going to be sad for? And I said, well, wrong person to ask because I was over the moon when I left.

13:23So it's like a different, do you know what I mean? Very different scenario. Completely different scenario. But it's been two weeks. Have you... Recovered? Yeah. Yes, I have. But it wasn't easy. You know me better than anybody. I'm actually a really positive pigeon, you know? I don't like being sad. I totally agree with feeling your feels and expressing emotion. I don't think... vulnerability is a negative at all, you know? I think it shows bravery, if anything. But being sad when I have a nice life and a lovely husband and great friends and a job I love and two gorgeous dogs, that just felt like such wasted energy.

13:58But I couldn't snap out of it. I was sad for about a week. And I think like, I was speaking to everyone, I was speaking to you, I was speaking to Angela, I was speaking to like, Sarah Davies rangers, Ellie Jane Taylor, Tom Fletcher rangers. I had such a lovely support structure. People that had been there and done the show. People who understand, you know. And they were all, like, my question to everybody was the same. Like, how long am I going to be sad for? And I had people, like, obviously at opposite ends of the spectrum, you who were like, fucking, I was thrilled to fucking ribbons for it to be over.

14:32And then people who were like, sort of like, oh, if you want my honest opinion, I think I was sad for about a year. And I thought, no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm not going to be sad for a year. I went on strictly as someone who had never danced sober, never danced sober. And I gave it everything I could. I worked as hard as I could. I bought into the whole thing, you know, like I loved the process. I loved the costumes. I loved everything. I made friends. I just lived and breathed it. And I couldn't have done anything else. So I'm not going to be sad about trying my best. No, of course. And I think that's the thing is like, and this is one thing I will say about you, Vic, as well, like in the 15s, One of those things that I think we are very similar about is if you're going to do something, you do it to the best of your ability and you're 100 % in, regardless of what that is.

15:20You're competitive, but mainly with yourself. Oh, of course. And I think that's the thing. You're not one of them people. You're not bitter about other people in any way. In fact, you're probably the biggest supporter of anyone that's around you. But you're unbelievably competitive with yourself. Yeah. So can you appreciate the fact that you did the best you could on it? Yeah, like absolutely. And like, listen, call a spade a spade, the jive was not my fucking dance. I will forever hate that prick. Well, let's be honest. Like Vic asked Yovita about me doing the jive because I never got to do it.

15:52And that's because - Crime, real crime. That's because Yovita said there was no way, absolutely no way because I couldn't. I told them straight away, Pete is not doing the jive. And I thought I would fucking guy and said the same. Maybe she just had a bit more faith in us. I am actually quite a bouncy person. Well, yeah. So I think people would assume I really had the jive in me locker, but I don't think anyone anticipated us being like a dignified ballroom girl, but I really took to ballroom and loved it. Well, that was the one that I enjoyed ballroom more than I did anyone else as well. There's a beauty to it, Pete.

16:25Yeah. God, who the fuck are we? I don't know. Who the fuck are we? Was Strictly as hard as you thought it was going to be? Yes, and... You asked me. I remember we were filming Gogglebox. Yeah. And you went, this is when you told me. Yeah, do you remember? We was up in your dressing room and I'm doing Strictly. What can you tell me? And I went, it's fucking hard. It is fucking hard and it is consuming. What did you think in comparison to what it was going into it? So naive because you were really candid with me. You were like, it's so hard. And I know you're like me. You're a fucking workhorse.

17:04So I should have just took you at your word. and I did I went into it with a healthy respect and like a decent work ethic for the process but I also fell prey to trying to do too much outside of it I think as well which is something I'm sure you can relate to and like it wasn't that I was like thought I was sailing through like I was working so hard and I was so scared all the time and trying my best and giving it like eight hours a day whatever I could um but I had a lot going on outside you know the podcast the radio everything else you sort of like you have to do that is like existing commitments that you know I've spent 15 years trying to have the career I have you can't let things fall at the wayside so I think the amalgamation of the rehearsals that it takes to the everything you have to do plus everything I was doing I was doing like 18 hour days babe and I was just coming home like such a shell of myself me poor husband like hats off to him like the whole I was coming home at like nine, 10 o 'clock at night.

18:07And me dinner was ready and he was there with the sympathetic ear. And, you know, it can't be, it can't, it's not nice for anybody to not say their partner that much, but he was just so good. And I think that's been one of the reasons why I have managed to bounce back so quickly is actually like, I've got me life with my husband back, you know, which is something I really missed. How was Paris? Paris was amazing. I just got pissed, fucking necked on with croissants and swung around the Eiffel Tower for a whole weekend. I fucking loved it. Well, I mean, yeah, people don't realise, and you can say it as much as you want, because people see the kind of glitz and glamour side of Strictly and all the rest of it.

18:43And people even still say to me now, how hard was it? How much did you do? Me and you are the same. The most you can do, we'll fucking do. Definitely, I had to, just so that I could put one foot in front of the other. Babe, I had to. I had to pull off dancers on a Saturday night to keep my nerves in check. I had to be beyond rapport. I mean, I think the biggest difference with you and I is that I wasn't as nervous as you on a Saturday night because I thought, listen, I know I'm not very good at this. It's going to be... Whereas you were fucking great. But the nerves-wise, I've never seen anything fucking like it.

19:18Shaken. Like, that first week that I came, I came early so that I could see you backstage and whatever else. And she was like that, shaking like a shitting dog. And I was like, fuck it, she's not going to be able to do this. I genuinely thought, like, regardless of how great you are in kind of rehearsals and everything else, I thought, I don't know if she's going to be able to do this, and you fucking smashed it, which was amazing. How hard is it to get control of yourself before that dance on a Saturday night? It's so scary, Pete. And I know everybody's at a different stage, and some people have performance experience and things like that, but if you think about our jobs, my job is this.

19:52I sit and chat in a little room with a couple of other lovely people listening, or I'm on the radio, I don't know, who the fuck's listening to just me in a studio, you know? Even in a television studio, or the max that the people are there is about like 10, 20. I don't perform. I'm not a performer in front of people and I'm not a dancer. Like there's just so many elements to consider. And I just was out of your comfort. I think you are a performer, but you're incredible and one of the best at what you do. And then going into something that is not what you do. That's scary. It's fucking like, do you know what I mean?

20:24Like I'm not, being in front of a studio, I wouldn't say, I couldn't give a shit. But it doesn't, but even I, like before the thing, because you're trying to do something. and I think you're the same as me as well. The respect you have for the person, like so for Kai and for Yeetha, Yavita, for me, like they're world class of what they do. They've taken the time out regardless of whether it's their fucking job to put everything into teaching you how to do something. Then would you get that opportunity? And they're so kind as well. Well, they fucking need to be with me and you. Jesus Christ. Like, just shout out the pros' patience, right?

20:51Like I can only speak from like our experience. So I adore Yavita. I think she's one of the most gorgeous. Well, you've become besties. Yeah, I mean, I - You'd met her pretty strictly, but she really looked after you during Strictly as well, didn't she? So well. Like, such a girl's girl. So kind, so patient. I knew she had patience because she fucking told Pete. But, like, the way she was with me was just so lovely as well. And, like, Kai, like, like you say, these people are fantastic. And when you see them actually dance with each other, you realise how much they're holding back when they dance with us.

21:20Yeah. Because they're just, it's, it's majestic. It's spellbinding to watch. Like, it's fucking incredible. and you think like every day they show up with patience and kindness and like they're dead measured, they help you get it right I don't know me left from me right at the best of times I have to do loo for left and not loo for right Right I'm just going to make this point as well Vic and I once did a job together we're out to drive a lorry with Vic in the car and she was supposed to be doing navigation so I'm driving a lorry right for Amazon delivering packages for people right She's the fucking co-driver trying to do navigation.

21:58I prefer passenger princess. I turn left and she go, no, no, no, the other left. She can't, she literally doesn't know. She'd be there with the phone with the fucking navigation going, right. No, no, no, no, left. And I'm like, what the fuck? So how the fuck did you learn how to fucking dance? That's what's even more incredible was you're a fucking idiot and learned how to dance. Do you know, I need to ask your opinion on this because I think I was so balls deep in it, babe, that I didn't get a chance to ask you, but how embarrassing is it when you just can't get it in rehearsals? Oh. It's awful.

22:27And like, it'll be something so basic. Like you'll get the Spanish drag in tango and you think, oh, I fucking picked that up all right. And then it's like a fall away or a two-step or a whisk or something seemingly so simple and you fucking can't get it. Well, I'll tell you, this will give you the answer. I don't know what Spanish drag, fall away or whisk are. So there's your answer. I'll tell you why. Right. So, so Yvita and I, I've said it before. She would say things like this and I'd be like, I don't understand what that is. So I'm going to call it the football warmup. Yeah. This is the fucking dog shit or this is, and I'd have to, but my way of learning was I used to have to do step by step.

23:07So I, I'm not a creative and I can't, I have no musicality whatsoever. I can't clap to a beat. So what I would do is we would sit down for like an hour on sort of day two. and then I would write left foot, right foot, forward, back, like literally. In your notes. And I'd have like two A4 pages of an exact routine, like on what I need to do. And then I'd memorise it because that's just how my brain works so that I knew what was coming. That's the only way I knew what was coming because she, like if there was a part of the music and she'd go, this is when we do this bit, I'm like, I don't understand what that part of the music is and I can't do that.

23:41So I would have to just memorise that and just hope for the best. So I'd work it out seconds. So I'd have the time and then what I had to do. So it would be after 38 seconds, it's a right foot back after. And then I'd have to try and memorize on what seconds I'd be counting the seconds in my head and then attach it to what my foot or arm should be doing. Rain man. The level of commitment there is something else. I'd go home and I'd literally just be. With his homework. With his homework. I know, it's pathetic. And I was still shit. No, you weren't. Don't say that. So when Pete, when I first told Pete I was going to do it, obviously I watched him do Strictly.

24:17I went to see him perform and everything. But like when I first told him. You came to see me at Strictly more than anyone else. I love him so much. When I told him I was going to do it, I was like, I'm really nervous. I'm not a dancer. I'm dead scared. He was like, fucking put on my videos. That'll make you feel better. When I watched your videos, I was like, this is amazing. You're amazing. Like, I just don't think you saw what we saw. Like, yes. Oh, no, I did. You may have been rough around the edges, but. Rough around the fucking edges. The work you put in. like I think it's admirable I couldn't do any of that mate because full disclosure I was so nervous my mind went totally blank before I danced yeah and it just had to be in my body so the only way I got through it was complete repetition puakai worked so hard and I think that that's the thing is like you do go a little bit blank and there was there was points like if I if I made a mistake which I did every week um then it then set the kilter of the pattern in my head off it does yeah so trying to so then I'd have to get to where the seconds were and I'd still have to if I made a mistake I couldn't think about that because I'm still counting the seconds of what the dance is and then I'd have to pick up okay so 45 seconds comes there'd be like a couple of seconds of like and then I get to the next bit and then start again yeah which was fucking mad you had it in your body which is what you want to do yeah it's the repetition side of it what was your favorite week presumably tangle it had to be the tangle I mean 39 out of four that's nearly fucking it was insane and I mean even Craig couldn't piss on me parade with he's like oh your hand bothered me like I was just so thrilled like I never thought that moment would be mine to be honest like the competition this year is so intense and steep and the quality of dancing is amazing like I was really content to just be like middle of the leaderboard all the time just like scraping through having an having a nice time but um when that happened I was I was it was really happy and really shocked and it'll be a moment I will never forget no and I think you can you can come out of that with something that like to top the leaderboard as a non dancer and someone that has had no experience and no nothing not even just topping the leaderboard absolutely smashing it to the point where you got fucking three was it three tens three tens three fucking tens in one week i know i mean the 39 that you got is higher than the three weeks my first three weeks like honestly i mean fucking week one I got a 10 but that was combined it was I mean it was fucking mental it is a magic experience though isn't it like obviously I'm talking a lot about leaving before I was really quite ready and I think that's that's fair you know feeling like you still want to be there and have more to give like that's such a valid feeling but like I'm just still really grateful I got the chance to do it like you see I'd wanted to do it for years and they did not want me for a very long time they did not want me they did not want me So to do it and have this lovely experience is just, honestly, I'm so grateful.

27:07And I think it's something you can never take away. Dancing with Kai, dancing in front of people, like my friendship with Kai, like all the friends I made, all the lovely moments. I am really just, I'm so proud of everything I achieved, but I am a little bit sad it's over. And I think that's fair too. But I think it's okay to be sad. And to be honest with you, even, you know, it doesn't matter how far you get. I think because it is such an all-consuming thing that you do. Because it's not, you know, it's months of fucking all-consuming. That's all you can think about. Regardless of whether you fucking win it or you fucking get to the final, whatever else, when it's over, it's a big hole that's fucking left anyway because that's been such a big part of your life.

27:46So I think most people are sad by me when it finishes anyway. So I think it's okay to be sad. It is the hole. That's what's sad, is my big empty hole. I have a huge... I've heard that before. but I have a Vicky Patterson's sad big empty hole sad big empty hole and I do but like that's what helped you know is going back to work yeah I had a week where I was like feeling sorry for myself and then I was like actually no come on you're not a dancer that was a lovely period of your life and you had a nice experience but you are a a presenter a radio host a podcaster like go and do that and then when I did that I was like oh I like my life well I'm really I'm really happy that you said that you're proud because I'm so fucking incredibly proud of you and I thought you were fucking magical and for someone who I've known for a long time who I think is quite unhinged, unstable in her body movements, I've never seen anyone hold it together and look so fucking graceful and beautiful dancing and I genuinely mean that.

28:40You were incredible. I honestly said to everyone, I think it's your win and I think you deserve to win because I think the amount of work that you put in, so I think it's a fucking travesty. You won't say it, but I think it's a travesty that you're not in it and I genuinely mean that and that's no offence to everyone else and it's not just because you're my best mate but I think from where you started to where you got to, to be top of that fucking league, well, get 39 out of 40 and do a tango the way you did, I think it's nothing short of a miracle and that is purely down to the hard work you put in and purely down to the fact that you are just, anything you do, you're incredible at.

29:14There's my two pence. I'm going to need my big vape after that, if that's okay. It was so nice. Also, I need a win. Oh, God.

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31:55Right, to round off strictly. Yes. Who do you want to win? I reckon we're going to have the same thing. And you obviously have spent time with this person. I've met this person once, twice. I already know who it is. And I've never been so obsessed with someone. Amazing. She? She's amazing. It's Kaz, isn't it? Yeah, so, but I just want to go and I just want to say. Yeah, tell us why you want her to win. Kaz and George, I love. I love them so much. And like, they're the ones I speak to the most. And it's hard because everybody I love so much. And also everyone thinks I would feel a certain type of way about Balvinda.

32:33Like, she smashed that dance off. She is mentally resilient, improving all the time and a wonderful woman. So I just want to go on record and say that I love her. but I will say George or Kaz. Kaz has held my hand throughout this entire process. George has been there for me. They're both so improved. They're both great. And I couldn't pick between the two. Yeah, I can't. Excellent. So Stan Relevant endorses Kaz. Brilliant. I feel like I just got overruled. God damn, is this what it feels like to be, Sam? Yes. Yes, it does. Okay, amazing. So from one show, there's a reason Sam's not here. Where is he?

33:08Sam is in Australia. Oh, looky. Yes. where he is a guest on Unpacked. Yes, that's what it's called. Yeah, amazing. With Joel and Kemi. So, yeah, so he's not here. We can't discuss this because we replaced the king with the queen, king of the jungle with the queen of the jungle. It's been a decade since you won the jungle. Fuck me. I said decade rather than 10 years because decade always sounds so much more. It does. Thank you so much. Yeah. Have you watched any of it this year? Yes. so I am doing the little I'm like the the smallins jungle correspondent so I'm chatting about it on there so I've been keeping up to date um I've obviously been busy but since Ricky finished I've had a lot more time I am really shocked about like the order with which people are going out like I just don't feel like I can call it or sort of preempt the the public's decision like I was in the Arctic with Alex Scott.

34:10We trek through it for Comic-Con. Did she go out first? First! I don't watch it, do I? First! So that one, I am surprised about because I don't know X Scott, but I always think she seems lovely. She's class, Pete. She's class. Nicest woman, fucking proper team player. And that's what you need in there. Like, people lying around in the hammocks all day, like, watching the world go by. No. Go and do the jobs. Like, empty the dunny. Get more firewood. Chat to people. Get to know people. Be a team player. Like, and she has that mentality from being, like, trekking through the Arctic with her. doing this incredibly difficult challenge.

34:39I know she's a tough cookie as well. I just think she was such an asset to camp. So I'm so shocked at that. I honestly don't know Eddie Carey. He's gone out as well, but he seemed like a nice guy. Vogue Williams, hugely successful podcast, like funny, gorgeous woman. Couldn't believe she's gone. And then Kelly Brooks just gone as well. Like I'm not in there, so I'm not seeing what everyone's saying, but I am really shocked. I feel like it's, I can't call who's going to win. I think things have, yeah but it's similar to Strictly though darling that's it do you know what I mean like you just don't know and I think I think sometimes there's a big difference and this is what I would say with his public vote I've only ever done one public vote show and that's Strictly and like I have no idea because it wasn't the dancing that kept me I have no idea why I fucking stayed in there it's because you're cuter than a bunny in a bow tie you're adorable but what I do think is I think people like yourself the only reason that you left genuinely is because I think people assumed you'd safe and there's a difference between loving someone and then having to pick up a phone.

35:38I know. And I think that's the thing and sometimes when it comes to it, people then, they assume their favourite people are safe so they want to keep other people they like in and that's when the votes happen and so it is a bit mad. You can't do it like it used to be, I think, where public votes was just you go for your favourite. Now everything is kind of tactical and then sometimes there's people that unfortunately lose out, not because people didn't want them there but because... Is it all a bit political? Yeah, it's all a bit fucking weird. Yeah. But yeah, I can't really talk too much about The Jungle because I don't watch it or have ever seen it.

36:10He doesn't watch fucking out. I do think, I do think H and Ginger, I mean, am I going to talk to you about this because you don't care? No, no, no, please, because Sam does it every week. Okay. I do think H and Ginger are really weird. Well, he's not, we don't refer to him as Ginger on here because I find it insulting. So we call him Nice Orange. Nice Orange. Right, okay. Nice Orange. Garfield. He's a nice orange cat. We could call him that.

36:37It's a new one, but I'm happy with it. Garfield. I do like Garfield. I think he's entertaining. I love H as well. And his relationship with his sister is incredibly heartwarming. H. Do you know him? I feel like you'd know him. Well, I didn't. I thought it was the bloke from Steps years ago. Fair enough. You've really shown your age there, son. You can talk about me being 10 years since I won the jungle, but you're an old **** as well. Yep. But they couldn't be any more different. But he's on the Judging Panel for Pride of Britain, which I also did and so I spent a day with him in the thing and he's a fucking really lovely guy really nice really like him so are you backing him to win then?

37:08I mean don't care but if anyone yeah because you know and because he's genuinely a fucking great guy and everyone seems to love him actually so yeah fucking I want the letter to win H from Steps to win the jungle and if he doesn't it'd be a tragedy I see what you did there that was really bad I just can't believe it's been 10 years. Well, yeah, I mean, do you still speak to anyone from your year? Yeah, I do. I speak to Fern. Yep. I see Duncan Ballantyne every year at the Pride of Britain. That's about it. I say hello to him. I'm trying to think of who else. I honestly don't really speak to anyone else.

37:49What is harder? Go on. Jungle or Strictly? So, right. First of all, I think it's very important to mention all these things, in my opinion, are a fucking young woman's game. yes like they're a young woman's game i really underestimated the advantage i had going in the jungle as a 27 year old woman like pretty much physically at me prime you know like my fucking body now like i swear to god i sleep in a mattress that's not my own i feel like i've been hit by a car like i'm just so old like physically and i i know people are probably listening thinking and probably in mid thirties, I'm sticking to it.

38:29But it definitely does have, like it definitely has a knock on effect. It definitely plays a part. So I don't know if I would be able to do The Jungle as well in my late thirties as I did in my late twenties. I was really raring to go and up for it and physically ready. So does that mean that you think you would do strictly better as a 27 year old as well? Maybe, yeah. I don't think you would. Do you not? No. I don't think the persona I had in my late 20s was strictly worthy. Yeah. I'm a lot mentally stronger and healthier now. In all honesty, I went into the jungle a bit of a mess. Yeah. And I came out and that's really what...

39:07So the jungle's kind of three weeks and it's like, you know, it's one of them things where you kind of... I mean, I've obviously never done it, but... Which is their loss. Their loss. And we're going to get onto that in a minute. It is their loss. I don't think it is, darling. Honestly, it's certainly... It's certainly not a loss for the other people that would be in there with me. Oh, no, you'd be cranky. I do think you've done things at the right time. Do you know what I mean? Because I think Strictly is mentally fucking tougher. It's hard. In terms of the amount of the intensity. Do you know what's hard with Strictly, babe?

39:41And you'll really attest to this, I think. So when you go in the jungle, you're in this lovely little bubble and you've got your pals and your campmates and you don't know what Barry from Barnsley thinks about you. Yeah. You know what I mean? and you don't know what the press are writing and you don't know what anyone's saying and yes there's a small part of your brain at the back that might spend a little bit of time wondering about that if you're anything like me but ultimately you can compartmentalize and focus on what's in front of you which is kangaroo balls and deck yellowy camp mates being this best bright shiny version of you that you know that people want to see when you're in strictly first of all infinitely it's it's longer if you're lucky enough but secondly you're exposed to everything so you know not only what the judges think of you but you know what everyone at home thinks as well what everyone who has access to social media thinks the press and luckily I'm I was I had an all right run with the press but I know that's not the same for everybody and it that those outside factors even though you shouldn't stress about the things you can't control you do and I think that's what makes it harder that's what makes it mentally more grueling for me Strictly was tougher than I'm a celeb definitely for all the reasons I just mentioned but and I think they're completely different shows like completely different shows like yeah it's strictly you have to learn a fucking skill and yes you have to do like the intent of all that sort of stuff whereas I think and it's it's actually quite hard to be yourself on Strictly yeah because a lot of it is based on because it is a dance competition like the end of the way you look at it so you only get fleeting moments where you can be yourself but the stress and everything else means that sometimes you forget to be yourself yeah i mean like i remember even you like the bits where you go and see claudia and stuff in in strictly which are the bits where you'd always fucking shine but i remember after one of the first ones you thought was okay in that interview you're on fucking screen for about a minute yeah and of course you fucking won't like but you don't know personality but you don't whereas i suppose in the jungle you it's kind of person it's personality based isn't it of course you know what i mean like and you have it's a longer form it's longer form so even though the trials and the dingo dollars and things like that of course they're the main focus there's so much more actuality goes into it so you have more of an opportunity to show everybody who they're voting for who they're falling in love with and that is where and that's where i shine well i've said this as well like i said it's sam and like i've spoken to you and other people that have done the jungle you are ultimately again at the power of the edit because at the end of the day it's what an hour show every night but you're there 24 hours a day there are times when you are just sat doing fuck all or you're pissed off or you're fucking cranky or whatever else that if they show that you look an arsehole yeah and if they just show you good bits you look great exactly i mean so we'll never know are you saying i'm an i'm an arsehole most of the time but i just got a good edit no no no no not at all it's the same for example like my only thing that is even remotely similar is when i did the island and they they condense it into a series that is eight hours yes we were there 31 days for 24 hours a day so you've only seen eight hours you've smashed that though you smashed that i mean when i was there yeah but then when you actually look back on it i was called a dictator

42:53so you know sometimes we need people to take charge fair i was um yeah it's completely different whereas kind of strictly is you're kind of basing a lot of it on on um on that dance aren't you and the other kind of bits anyway there's more components to strictly and more opportunity to show your personality and listen it was a game changer for my career wise also in terms of me life as well pete like i became i'm a celeb yeah i became a better version of myself post that show i got the therapy the help everything i needed and got the life i've got now because of it so i'll always have a special place in my heart for that i think that's the thing is is like it's a life-changing experience because in there, doing Strictly is again life-changing but for different reasons because I think there it's an opportunity for you to do something you've never done before, to learn something you've never done before, to address an element of you of the amount of work you put in, what you get out.

43:50I'm a celeb, I imagine is a minute where you kind of, you come into yourself a little bit because you haven't got the outside surroundings and start thinking, what am I fucking doing? Less noise. Yeah, there's less noise which actually gives you a chance to look at yourself. It does. Reflection time. Yeah. And I think I, listen, everyone is familiar with my previous work. Like I'm, they all know I had a couple of grazed knees and some chapters I'd rather not read out loud, but in there I was, you go through life so fast, don't you? Like one mistake to the next, one bad boyfriend after another, like this fucking conveyor belt of shit sometimes.

44:25Right. And actually it's going so quickly you haven't got an opportunity to go I'm not happy I'm not doing things that are right and I actually have to address the problem like it is me you know but in the jungle I got this like period without me phone without the press without loads of different opinions actually just focus on myself and I was forced to confront a lot of things in me in my mind that I'd been ignoring you know and it was gosh I'm gonna get upset again it was really poignant and pivotal for me and I came out and I wanted to be better I wanted to address those things like I wanted to stop blaming my childhood for who I was I want to stop blaming bad boyfriends for why I couldn't be happy I wanted to just be better and I did I got therapy I got help I removed myself from situations that were no longer serving us and I've got the life I've got now because of that show and I'll always be grateful.

45:19I'm so sorry. I know normally we have a laugh here, but I'm just... No, don't worry. I have like the shade. We're all going to laugh at you crying. I'm a multifaceted person. Well, talking of the jungle then. Let's make it happy again. Well, there was rumours because when the jungle was kind of kicking off, I had a little bit of time off. Okay. So I didn't do the pod. So this lot, and I went sort of radio silent on social and everything else just because I needed to just get out of things for a bit. So this lot started a rumour that I was going in the jungle. You did it. Oh, smart. I like it. How did that make you feel?

45:56Well, I didn't see any of it until I got back. And then they did a big thing like, so he's here, he's not in the jungle. I was like, well, of course. I was never going to the jungle. How do you think I'd get on in the jungle? So I obviously am a really biased person because I just think you'll be great at everything you do. But I think you'd be incredible. And I think it's a crime. You haven't had an opportunity to do it yet. Because for me, you're everything. I think it would be a crime if I did do it. There would be a crime committed in the camp. No, you are, honestly, you are everything I'm a celebrity is.

46:28Like you would go in, you'd work hard, you'd get your head down, you're competitive again with yourself. So there'd be no beating you in them trials. You'd look after people, which is what you've always done for me, which is what you always do for everybody. And that's really important, that kindness. he doesn't like us saying that but he is very kind like all those things they've just got King of the Jungle written all over them they have no I'm telling you right now you'd smash it and I don't think you need to do the jungle now Pete I think you're very successful I think you're top of your game and sometimes I do think it's something people do to rekindle a career or launch a career so I don't think you need it but I think it's a shame you haven't had that opportunity because you'd be amazing you'd smash it

47:10I think I'd be shit but i just i don't know you're funny you're fun you're hard work and like you're not a fanny you just be so fucking good i don't know why you think you'd be bad why do you think you'd be bad um because i i'm a complicated person and i think i agree i think i would struggle living with people i think i would struggle um You did it in the island though. Yeah, but what I did there was, that was based on, because that's, the jungle isn't survival. It's not survival. Like the island was survival. Yeah. So I managed to focus on surviving. So that meant that the harder I worked, the more I could provide for people, the more I could do.

47:55Unless you're doing a trial, all you're doing there is kind of sitting around. Yeah. And I think for me, like you said, it gives you a chance to kind of reflect, I think I'd fucking lose the plot because I'd just be like, I don't know. You know, I need to be doing things all the time. Absolutely. And anyone I know that's done the jungle says there are fucking parts of it that are so boring because when someone's out in a trial, the rest of the camp have to sit there for four hours and there's fuck all to do. Oh my God, yeah. Because, you know, you're not having to build shelters and do other things.

48:19Like, after you've done kind of washing up and the errands and whatever else, it's kind of like, we should play a game to do. I've used my mind. Whereas in the island, it was always, you need to fucking do this, you do this, do this, do this. An element of real urgency. I'm asking you to go, fine, you've got to do that because otherwise we're not eating. Do you know what I mean? Totally. I'd love doing the trials and stuff because it'd be like, fuck me, it's like a day out. Do you know what I mean? But I think I would struggle with the... The mundane element. Yeah, because I always have to be doing things.

48:49That's why I don't have holidays. Because I can't, after one day, I'm like... I love holidays. I love sitting around the pool with a little fucking book, drinking frozen cocktails and vaping me head off. I love it. Talking of books, between Vic and I... Oh, my God. Is this going to be a dick-swinging moment? We have four Sunday Times bestsellers. Fuck! You're a two-time Sunday Times bestseller. I'm a two-time Sunday Times bestseller. Could you fucking believe it? No. Between us, pair of... Four fucking books. God, my mic just attacked me. I actually I'm the way I'm reacting I'm so shocked so I'm oh well you obviously knew about yours so what you're shocked about is no when you say it like that like I don't even think I don't even think about myself as like a Sunday Times bestseller you're a two times Sunday Times bestseller fucking mental mate but again like thank you to everyone who supports me who buys my books like that's down to you like you're the incredible ones yeah but that's a testament to work ethic I think Like there's no way anyone thought when we started out on reality TV, whatever it was, were shows, that we would be where we are now.

50:05I don't think there's anyone that thought that over a decade later, fucking 12, 13, 14, 15, how many years since Georgia's over here? Honestly, lads, it's on the way to 20. It's on the way to 20. That's really scary for me to say. But look at that. So that's, I think I'm 15, 14 years. Yeah. So between the two of us, the fact that we still have careers, I don't think anyone, if you watched Towie and Geordie Shaw back then would go in 20 years time, you'd be doing what you do. No, fuck me, honestly. And as well, I just think it's important to acknowledge I've had more lives than a cat. Like there's definitely been some times where I thought, oh, that's me done.

50:42Well, it's been a good run. Do you know what? I've had a nice time. I'll come back to the call centre. Honestly, but I just am so grateful that we've managed to parlay like Stinson Reality TV into something with a bit of longevity. Well, also, I think that's the difference. You've gone from being a reality TV person to a genuinely brilliant broadcaster across so many different platforms. So you've done two of the biggest shows on TV, Strictly, I'm a Celeb. You are a two-time Sunday Times bestseller. You have a radio show. You have Get a Grip, which is a very successful podcast. You do Angela. We're just a baby comparing you guys.

51:18Everything you've done, you've smashed. what's next what else can you do I knew you're gonna say what's next um gosh I don't know honestly Pete it's a really you mentioned revision board before didn't you and um I've been very deliberate about what I wanted out of my life for the last 10 years because for so long it was just really reactive and also I feel like and I don't know if you agree with me you know when you're on reality tv especially the more constructed kinds which a lot of them tend to be now in full disclosure you're out of control you are at the mercy of not just an edit but also manipulation from producers the environment you're in the caricature that you've created for yourself which sometimes feels impossible to escape you're at the mercy of that you don't feel like you're in control yeah after i did the jungle i made this promise to myself that i was going to be in control and i was going to get the life i wanted and get the life that deep down i believed i deserved.

52:14Fucking hell. Honest. Does Sam cry this much? Because he strikes me as an emotional little bear. No. Okay. Like Sam just wants to fart in a jar. What we've got is just, it's just fucking hell. Man made is done. I've got range, Peter. I've got fucking emotional range. Let me leave. I just, so I did, I've done vision boards and journaled and all those things. And honestly, mate, it's mad the year we've had, the year both of us have had. Like, I've been so lucky to work with you on some lovely things. But like, Gogglebox was a big one. And that was on my vision board to do that, you know, to have that moment.

52:52Do you know what I'm saying? Let me just say about that. It was on, because I genuinely believe something like that. I genuinely think that came to fruition because it was on your vision board. I had no idea. Because I didn't watch Gogglebox. I don't know. I don't fucking care. How was he on the fucking telly? how was he on the telly the only reason I did it was because I got to do it with you like genuinely because it meant I could just because I don't think I would be able to do that with anyone else the only reason I did it is because I got to do it with you and I know how much it means to you how much you wanted to do that because when Jem called me and was like so they want you and Vic to do Gogglebox and I was like does she want to do it she went it's been on her vision board for years I went fine it was in the summer and they like they bored up all your windows because they have to create, obviously they have to make a controlled environment for it to be on the TV.

53:42So they bought up all your windows. We had the fucking hottest summer. All aircon, all fans had to go off. And like you just sit me, dripping like an egg sandwich, sweating your tits off, like having to talk about the telly. And for him, like... But also I don't watch any TV. So I don't, so they play things. And I go, I'm going to see it. They put casualty on. And he was like, what the fuck is this? And I was like, it's a fucking British institution, you silly c***. Will you just watch Charlie save a life? and shut up. But it was so lovely. I remember saying to Gem, like my agent, I said, it's so nice because mine and Pete's life for so long has been like, should we grab dinner after this?

54:20Like, oh, I'll see you on that shoot. And oh, if you come on my podcast, do you know what I mean? Like all very like fun, exciting, brilliant things. But as really good mates, we've never had a slow relationship. So it's never, I've never watched Telly with you. Probably because he doesn't, but it was so lovely to just have him in my house, like eating snacks, chilling out, stroking the dogs. because I was like, I love you. So each episode, you sit for about five hours and watch TV together. It is long. So you just sit there and just eat. And that's basically what we fucking did was just sit and eat.

54:51I actually got drunk on the first step. No, we both got drunk. If you watch the first... No, because we were both so excited. If you watch the first step, by the end of it, we're going, fuck it, this isn't casual. And then this isn't casual. Like, we were fucking hammered. I was so fucking... And I had these like... And obviously I've got a lazy eye. So I've got one eye on the TV, one eye out there. She's fucking, she hasn't got a lazy eye. She did by the end of the ep. Both of us are like, it was. I'd made with these like frozen cocktails. I got one of them ninja slushie makers and I'm fucking obsessed with it.

55:23So when Pete came around, I was like wanting to be hostess with the mostess. I lashed with some fucking frozen app rolls in and I put them in these fancy glasses and I'm so pissed and obviously so animated. As I'm talking, I'm just fucking spilling it all over the shop. So I was like covered in this frozen app roll, sweating my tits off at the same time. It was not cute. But also, it was just a really nice time. Yeah, it was. So, sorry, we've digressed a little bit there. What's next? Okay, yeah, sorry. So on my vision board was things like Gogglebox and Bay and Marks and Spencer's Ambassador and Strictly and, you know, all these things.

55:56Have you completed it, mate? Is that what we're getting at? Sort of. Like, I do. I always sit down between Christmas and New Year. I think that's a nice time to be reflective, grateful for everything you've done and then sort of refocusing about what it is you still want. In all honesty, my career has brought us things I never thought I deserved. I sort of wanted to have, but didn't think I would quite achieve. So I'm really grateful. I don't know, Pete. I don't know what next year looks like for me. I do know it's probably time I started nurturing my personal life a bit more. Had a lovely year last year.

56:29Got married to the love of me life. So I've had so many beautiful friends and family like enjoy that with us and it was so special but um i'm not getting any younger mate like i think i'm gonna have to look at starting a family and and what that looks like for me i consider myself to already have a family with the dogs if i'm honest but like whether i'm gonna have kids or not and what that looks like is someone like me who considers herself quite quite honestly defined a lot by a career you know taking a bit of a back seat becoming a mom like that's something that scares us, but I know it's something I have to make a decision on.

57:04I... Uncle Peter. Well, we're going to get onto that. Have you got a baby? In the bonus, not that I know of. Yeah, I thought I'd get it. In the bonus episode, but just whilst you've said that, you know, with the risk of you fucking crying again. I'm going to. I have known you for such a long time. And honestly, I think you are in a position now where you are in, the best stage of your life mentally where you've been through so much that I, you would always have made the best mother. But right now, honestly, if I could pick anyone I know to be my mum, it would be you. I think you will be fabulous.

57:47Genuinely. So I'm so excited for that next stage of your life. If you've achieved everything career-wise, and that's amazing, and that's through hard work and all the rest of it, then you deserve everything that you want. And I know how much you want that. And I think you will just be incredible. and if I'm not a fucking godfather, I will hurt you. So I genuinely mean that. There was no way I wasn't going to cry at that. Yeah, I know, I know. Fucking hell. I know, but yeah, it's the truth. I think you'd be amazing. Right, we're going to try and do happy things now. You are absolutely going to be the godfather though, can I just tell you?

58:17You fucking best be. You and Gav. Me and Gav. You and Gav. God, I cannot wait for that as well. Me and Gav are the godfathers, little and large. I can honestly, and I can just imagine the rich tapestry of life my child will have with you two as the godfather. Yeah. First cig from Uncle Pete. Yeah, first beer from Uncle Pete. Happy 10th birthday. First gig with Uncle Gav. Yeah, yeah. Right, so we're just going to go on to a couple of little bits because we have spoken so much about everything else because we could sit here and fucking talk for ages. We're going to briefly go on to our friendship.

58:53Oh, okay, let's go. What I will ask, which I don't think we've ever asked actually, is first impressions of each other. I loved it. Okay, good answer. I know we're keeping to time, but you can expand. No, but I loved it. This wasn't quick fire. No, I loved it. Like, I think, obviously, maybe you had a reputation or an image or whatever, but like, you've always just been like really funny, really charming, really relatable to me. And also as well, I had a bit of an understanding about reality TV. Like, you're not always exactly what you appear on screen. and I just, my initial reaction with you was you are fun.

59:26And at that time, all I wanted to do was have fun. So it was perfect. But our relationship has grown and changed over the years. Yeah, absolutely. And I completely agree with that as well. Like genuinely, it was instantly just felt comfortable, Ranger. Yeah. But we did enough, and I don't think that is just relating to the fact that we've been friends for such a long time. I feel like everyone's like, anyone you meet, you make feel comfortable. I think that's what you did that night. And yeah, we just got hammered and got pissed. to the point where the first night we met, I spent an hour, you know, like when a child can't sleep and they need motion.

59:57So we got so drunk, we got back to the hotel that I pushed her around in a baggage trolley for about an hour until she fell asleep. You rocked me to sleep like a little baby. In the lobby of a hotel and then put the baggage trolley with her asleep in it in the lift and took her up to her room. That was our first night we met. So yeah. Start as you mean to go on though.

1:00:22Urquan, we can't get through. I've been there, Vic, through multiple broken relationships and arseholes. I knew Urquan before Vic did. You did? And when, after their first date, right, and this is a true story, I, Vicky messaged me and said, buy a hat and marry this man. After their first date, which you went to the Shard. No, where did we go? Where did you go? No, boo. No boo. Where did you go? No boo. Oh, no boo. No boo. I thought you said no babe. Even after 15 years, I still struggle. Fucking no boo. So, yeah. So you messaged me that and I thought, fucking hell, yeah, of course. Well, you did.

1:01:04I did. You married him. Also, I'd just like to point out, just going back to Strictly really quickly, I flew from fucking rehearsals in the fucking first or second week of Strictly to Italy just because she would have been so fucking gutted if I didn't go, as I was a flower girl, for her wedding and then flew back I asked her if she'd have done the same when she was doing fucking Strictly and she went, no, babe. I came to the O2. Yes, you did. Well, it's not exactly fucking Italy, is it? And it was on a Friday night. You weren't rehearsing. No, but honestly, with traffic and everything, it's a nightmare for me.

1:01:37But yeah, you did. You fucking married him. Yeah. And you got the fucking fairy tale, which is amazing. I'm so pleased. But why did you know from fucking first date? Why did you know from the first date? So I suppose in the same way we talk about the feeling when we first met, like when you meet people, like energies are, they're just, that's far more attractive, isn't it? Than what a person looks like. Yes, it helps that Erkan is an absolute wicked bit of kit. Like he is fucking lush. What he lacks in height he makes up from good looks. Oh, babe, does he not? I always say that to him. He's always like, oh, I wish I was tall.

1:02:08And I'm like, babe. He doesn't need it. He'd be fucking dangerous. Babe, he'd be an asshole. I always say if you were tall as well as everything else, you'd be a nightmare. By the way, he's not tiny. Sorry, Ab. no I always remember no listen to this right so the day of my first date with Erkan me and Pete were filming and it was what the fuck we were we were wrapping up a show I was making so I was in a relationship that broke down and at the time we were filming a reality TV show about a wedding me and this ex fella and it's better left in the past whatever happened but it didn't work out right so and then when we were finished he's like what you doing tonight and I was like I've actually got a date and he was like, who with?

1:02:49And I was like, oh, and I showed him the picture. I had found Erkan on Instagram. I'd seen his picture. It sounds like I was trawling for men on social media. That's so creepy. I wasn't doing it. Maybe I was doing that a little bit, to be fair. And I got chatting to him and everything and he worked on a building site and I thought he was this nice, normal man. And after everything I'd sort of been through, that was what I was looking for. I was looking for stability and kindness and normality. And I showed Pete and he went, oh, not working. Are you fucking Terry working? and I was like are you joking me he hadn't mentioned this Erkan had neglected to mention it and then Pete finished off by saying yeah I know him and he's shorter than me and I was like for starters nobody's fucking shorter than you and then I met him and he is so I just he's not a tiny man no but he's not like he's just not as like tall as me no he's fucking yeah the only person I can say it about yeah but he's he's a short king and I'm happy with that so you found your happy ever after which is amazing for sort of one of us do you want to talk about that or not as a similar age I know still on my own yeah do you want to do you want to talk about that do you want to talk about it if we're going to talk about it I'd rather you do it without the pity accent yeah okay fair enough but I can't he was a poor little single man no I mean, poor little single man is not something I would ever say about you.

1:04:18You seem you've always been incredibly content, Bachelor. And over the years, I've seen a lot of great women come and go in your life. I've also seen some fucking shit ones. I just will go out and I will just put that out there. But I don't think you're single because you're not handsome, successful, lovely and deserving of love. I think you're ultimately single because deep down you don't think you are deserving of that amazing love. And that's what bothers me. Sorry. I think once you change that mindset, you'll find someone great.

1:04:55Who? All right. Describe my dream woman. Fucking two-way street, you da f***. No, the only time I need to is when I've had a wank. We're back in the game, kids. I love one then. What, a wank? No. Oh, describe my dream woman then. Who do you think? What do you think? What do you think I need? Well, your dream woman, for starters, I feel like you will, you always want someone crazy, but I just don't think you need someone crazy. I think you need someone kind and measured. Also very fun, very smart. A little bit of edge. I think you need someone who, I don't want to say keeps you on your toes. That's not fair, but you definitely need someone who gives as good as they're going to get.

1:05:40yeah um stunning gorgeous you're a handsome man so i think it's nice when those things measure out like even out um and someone who has their own life someone who has things going on great friends a great career things they're passionate about so they're not like what you're doing tonight where you're going blah blah blah like you need your you will still need independence and you will i don't think you're like a codependent person at all so you need someone who's independent and successful in their own right. But I just think you'd be the best boyfriend and husband, all those things ever, when you meet that right person.

1:06:18I'm not in a rush for you to find her. Like, whenever you do, that is absolutely fine with me. And I think, like, it is fine with me. It's fine. I do want to double date with you at some point. Yeah. Like, it would be so nice to do that when, like, me tits are still above me knees. Yeah. And I'm not, like, on a walker. But honestly, Pete, whenever I remember talking to my mum about this once and maybe being like, oh, do you know, like it was me. My mum, my mum, Tracy and they just chat amongst themselves. I fucking love that. Everyone seems to just chat to my mum about the same thing because my mum's biggest fear is I'm just going to die alone.

1:06:53But she, do you know what? She was really she got me to change my mindset about you. She was like, people settle down when he's ready to Vicky. And I thought it's not my place to worry about Pete settling down. Like he's a grown man with loads of things going on in his life. And I know it'll happen when it's going to happen. Like, fuck me. I was like 31 when I met Irk. And like for a woman from the Northeast, that is like old maid territory. Like I was practically considered a spinster. If I settled for somebody when I was younger or when I wasn't in the right headspace, I would have settled for the wrong person.

1:07:23Well, you did. But I didn't actually make the big marriage commitment. I think when you're ready, it'll all fall into place, babe. Well, recently on the pod when I was off, producer Pippa and Sam did sort of a deep dive. Oh no. To me. As in his exes? No, no, no, no. Oh, thank God for that. I don't know, just randomly about whether I would die alone. Oh my God. Do you think I'll die alone? Is that a serious question? Fuck no. Fuck no. You'll have a dog. See, that was a more positive. I'll have a dog. No, in all seriousness, you've got too much to offer. I was going to say, you've got two years.

1:08:03No You've got too much to offer Somebody to end up alone Like Speaking as your best friend You're a fucking catch mate Like All my pals Would ride you like a stolen bike Yeah Fucking Everyone thinks you're fair Everyone thinks you're funny Everybody who meets you Like all my mates at the wedding Were like How fucking class is Peter And I was like I've been telling you this for years He's fucking wicked So you're funny You're personable You're successful You're handsome Babe you're a catch I wouldn't worry about that at all This has been a fucking We should bring in A bit more often Because honestly this is just like this just fucking lovely does sam not tell you how great you are he's so good i'm a bit of a suck-up though i love him yes you are um so really quickly this is going to be quick fire even though it's a deep question because we we are fucking rolling into thursday okay ready biggest thing we've learned from each other I want to be quick the importance of hard work and treating everybody with respect in the workplace biggest thing I've learnt from you is how important friendship is and I genuinely mean that because I've always done things generally on my own I'm very independent but I do know without a shadow of a doubt if I ever or could go to anyone there at any point.

1:09:26Oh, babe, you're never getting rid of me. Never. Like, when he goes, you know, when he goes quiet, I'll just, I will just fuck. I'm that friend who'll send fucking ten text messages in a row. I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit if it's weird. You will never suffer in silence without me. I'll always say for you. And on that note, there's been tears. Mostly mine. More tears. snorting some laughter vaping we've had a piss midway through I actually need another one excellent well we're just going to wrap up thank you for listening to Staying Relevant the podcast hosted by two best mates Pete Wick's Vicky Patterson woo if you want to feature in the podcast email hello at srproductions.co.uk which is the most horrendous email address in the world great review do all of that crap we are going to be back with a bonus on Thursday and we have a very special guest for the bonus it's the same one as this it's me um so yeah ta-da fuck off bye bye thank you for having us

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