172: Pete meets his match - it’s Grime Gran!

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2:23I like it when I can let myself go and say what I want. Well, here is the perfect chance. I'm going to. You can do whatever. Listen, my own is your own. You can do whatever the f*** you like. That's nice. Welcome to Staying Relevant, the podcast hosted by me, Pete Wicks, and Sam Thompson. But Sam Thompson isn't here, so I've got a very special guest. I'm going to tell you about that in a minute. This is the main episode, which means that you are going to be listening to this on a Monday. It comes out on a Monday. You can watch it on Josh and Kira's YouTube channel at 5pm on Wednesday. And then we'll be doing a bonus episode, which comes out audibly on Thursday, which you can watch on a Sunday from 5pm on Josh and Kira's YouTube channel, which means you can catch us on a...

3:05Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Sunday. Make sure you rate, review, do all of that shit. You know how to do it by now. This episode is likely to contain an awful lot of swearing. If you don't like it, go f*** yourself. so let's get on to someone I am so excited to have here genuinely and I've purposely managed to do it when Sam isn't here because I wanted to spend time with you on my own we've got Grime Grant here hello my pleasure listen when I say I've been excited about having you on I genuinely mean that genuinely listen I was equally excited when Bo told me listen you know I'm a sucker for a good looking bloke Well, she started already.

3:47What can I do? I'll tell you what, listen, when you watch this, you'll be able to cut the sexual tension with a fucking knife. It's amazing. Well, there you go. Right, do you know what? The reason I've been so excited about having you on, and we kind of spoke about this really briefly a minute ago, is because your relationship with Beau, your grandson, is so similar to mine and my nan's, and you remind me so much of my nan. There's lots of similarities because my nan, my family, are all from the East End, as are yours. and I think there's like a, I don't know what it is, like characteristics about people from the East End where I think we're all just fucking normal, but everyone else thinks we're mental.

4:21Well, people don't class us as normal because a lot of people don't like the swearing. But what they don't know is in the East End of London, swearing was the second language. Yeah, it's affection, isn't it? Especially when I was a young kid. You know, you had to swear because if you didn't tell them first to fuck off, they'd knock shit out of you. Exactly, there you go. Talking of that and swearing, what's your favourite swear word? Is it ****? It's mine as well. I knew it was going to be. But sometimes I'll put **** in front of it to back. ****, yeah, that's better. Terrible, terrible. No, I like it.

4:59**** is a fucking great one. You do get the odd one that finds it a bit, you know, but then, **** them, don't. Scroll on, that's what I say. You don't like it, scroll on. You know what you're going to see. And I think that's one of the things, like your kind of rise to what you do now. I mean, I can't, do you sometimes think, how the fuck am I here? Exactly, exactly. You do, you think to yourself. And people say to me, oh, you're famous. And I'm fucking famous in my house. I'm Margie Key from Bethnal Green. So that part in you never leaves you. So how did it all start then? Like, how have you ended up being in the position that you're in?

5:39Well, my older grandson used to film all the rap boys. Yeah. Ghetto, Grigsey and all them. He filmed them, Pete, before they was even heard of. I'm talking about when they were 16, 17. Well, they was always at our house while he was filming and over the years you get to know them all. And he just said to me one day, this is going back into 11, Nan, would you let me film you interviewing all the Rat Boys? And I said, no, I don't want to do nothing like that, Rune. And I said, no. Well, then a few years later, he come in one day and he goes to Bo, first of all, for support, and showed him this video.

6:22It had been heard on the grapevine. And somebody hired an actress to be the grandma and interviewed Crepton Conan. Yeah. Well, he said, see, and Bo said, see, you wouldn't fucking do it. Look what's happened to his idea. Well, I was so fucking wild. I said to him, Roon, do you still want to do it? And he said, yeah, will you do it now? So I said, all right, we'll do it. Well, the first one I'd done was ghetto. Yeah. And within an hour of him leaving our house, it got 170 odd thousand likes. We couldn't believe it. And we went from there. Well, then COVID started, didn't it? And we was all fucking banged up.

7:08And I started doing rents because Rooney said to Bo, I couldn't only have him a moan about the toilet rolls and blah, blah, blah. Stop part in the toilet roll. Yeah. So he said to Bo, why don't you get mummy to film it and put it on? Well, the first one I've done, I don't know if you ever see it. I was going mental about the toilet rolls, you greedy fuckers. you wait, you'll end up like we did in the war using newspaper. And it went from there. And then when that sort of finished, Rooney said to Bo again, Bo, you and Nanny are always at it, bantering, arguing, blah, blah. Why don't you film an episode?

7:50And he filmed it and it went from there. Do you know what? It's one of them things. The reason I think you've done so well is authenticity. It's one of the hardest things now is that I imagine and that you've not changed since kind of when you first did the video, what you're like off camera is the same on camera. It's the same on camera. And I think that's lost on a lot of people. As you can see, me and Bo are like it 24-7. We're always like it. Well, your relationship with Bo is like genuinely so special. Like I was saying it to Pippa, our producer, before you come in. It's going to be hard for me not to get upset during this.

8:27Yeah, yeah. Because it genuinely reminds me of me and my nan. Yeah, yeah. First, before anything, yeah, she was my nan and family, but before anything, she was my best mate. Yeah, yeah. And we used to talk to each other like best mates, like everything. Anything I ever needed, I would go to my nan. She was my safety bank. She was everything. Well, he does me. He does me. As I said, if he's a bit worried about anything, which he don't often fucking worry, but if he's got anything he wants to say, he'll always come to me first and we sort it out between us. But, you know, a lot of people don't realise that a relationship like that is very unique.

9:05Yeah. You know, it don't happen to everyone, Pete. But if you've been part of their life from day one, it stays like that, you know, at all times. But if I had a pound for every time someone said, oh, you're like my mum, you're like my nan, I'd be a millionaire. I could fuck you all off and say, no, I don't want more fame. I'm well off there. But the thing is and all, it's, look, my husband died, I told you, Pip, when I was 49. So I had to fucking graft. I did have to graft. Because I don't care what anyone says. No matter what your husband leaves, and he didn't leave much, because in them days you didn't, it don't last forever.

9:49Yeah. So, and I thought, well, I'm going to either sink or swim to the other side. And I fucking grafted. I did, honestly, I used to do five cleaning jobs a day. Wow. You know, but me and my daughter between us, we done it. We took the boys on good holidays. We took them to Florida. We took them to Spain, Portugal, Greece. But we done it on our fucking own. Yeah. And I think to myself now, I'm proud of myself for what I've done. So now, yeah, I'm earning money now. Yeah. So what? Yeah. I'm entitled to. You fucking deserve it. Because I fucking, I had it hard, Pete. You know, there's two women on their own with two boys growing up.

10:31And that don't come cheap. No. That don't come cheap. Because I can remember with my hand on my heart, Pete, as I say, I'm from the east end of London and I don't bullshit. I have given them boys 70 quid for a pair of shoes and bought myself a pair down the Roman for a fucking tenner. Yeah. But that's what you do. That's what you do. When you love your grandchildren and you're a close family, that's what you do. Did you ever imagine, because after kind of the videos that went viral and that's on kind of YouTube, social media and all that sort of stuff, you've ended up on This Morning. Oh, yeah.

11:07National TV. Fucking National TV. You're basically like their superstar celebrity interviewer. Oh, yeah. I do that for Capital, you know. Capital Radio. What don't you do? Do you know what I mean? Me and Sam have been grafted away for 13 fucking years, all right, trying to make a career out of this, and you pop up and just... We love to take me with you sometimes. No, you've got to take me with you. But I can't believe all these answered men on me, including you. Well, thank you very much. I mean, who's been your favourite? Come and fucking say me. I don't know, it's a bit hard. No, no, no, it's not hard.

11:41Are you going to say me? Oh, you, yeah, obviously. All right, apart from me. But Chris Hemsworth's assault. Well, listen. Oh, is he? I've seen the interview with you and Chris. You could barely string a sentence together. Oh, he's so handsome. He is fucking handsome, but he's a lovely person. Yeah, he really likes you as well, you can tell. Yeah, and so was Colin Farrell. Pick up some more names, Mia. Ryan Gosling. How was that? Oh, my God. Oh, he's so lovely. He is so lovely. But who the next one is, I don't know. Well, you've also, I mean, other than the men, because they don't just, you know, I'm sure Capital aren't just pimping you out to all the fellas.

12:22Margot Robbie, she's lovely. Right, that's what I want to know because I'm a little bit obsessed with her. Ali Berry. Oh, you've really done it. Ali Berry's lovely. Kim Kardashian. How was that? Yeah. Yeah. What do you think of social media in the whole? Do you watch it yourself? Yeah, I do. Other than your bits, do you look at other people's? Yeah, I look at other people, but I also like to see what they're saying about me, don't you? No, I fucking hate it. Do you? Yeah, they're mostly stacking me off, darling. I don't want to start reading that. I'll start getting the umpturing to find out where people live.

12:54Well, I had photos done for I'm a Celebrity. I don't know if you see it. No, I've not seen the photos. They've done them last year. And just photos it was. And everyone was saying, names going in the jungle. I thought, I'm a fuck, I'd be having murders in there. Well, this is the thing. With them sort of shows, when you look at... Because you're... I mean, I don't say this lightly. You're a national treasure. Oh, thank you. You are. She's heard it a million times before, look. But you are. You're an icon. Doing something like I Was a Lab or one of them sort of shows, would you ever consider it?

13:25No, no, no. I wouldn't even go in Big Brother. I wouldn't do that. Because I'd be raring all the time, Pete. What is it? I mean, this is why we're very similar, I think. People annoy you. Well, I keep saying this. I won't do shows where I have to live with people because I think I'd kill someone. No, see, I'd be raring all the time. Unless we do it together, we could go as a buy one, get one free. Yeah, we could do, but you'd be in one corner and I'd be in the other fucking corner, raring, having mergers. We'd just team up. Oh, God, could you imagine what a laugh we'd have? What's the kind of the most amazing thing or opportunity that you've had and you've got to do since all this has started?

14:02Well, to me, everything I do now is an opportunity. Like you, I never come from money, Pete. I come from a family of eight. My mum had eight children. Wow. I'm the last one left. All my other siblings are gone now. And, I mean, when me and my younger sister come along, I had brothers that was older and one sister that was older. We was the youngest too. So we got more than they ever got sort of thing. But, no, I think everything I do is amazing, you know. And, you know, like you, you say about your nan, as old as I am, I think, oh, I wish my mum was here because she'd say, Go on, girl, you know, you're doing so well.

14:46And at my age, Pete, I'm going to be honest with you, I still cry for my mum. Yeah. You do. And then I say to myself, no, they can all see what I'm doing. So, like you said, every day is a blessing. Every day is a blessing. And, you know, all right, so we do what we do. But remember how many people you're making proud of, you're doing it. Yeah. Oh, fucking hell. No, you do. This is supposed to be a comedy podcast. No, but you do. I'm talking truly from my heart, but you do. You know, you think to yourself, I do. I mean, I sit there sometimes and I think, oh, my brothers are gone, my sister, my sister, blah, blah, blah.

15:28And I say, oh, where are they? And then I say, well, I know where they are. And then, you know, like my husband and that, and you think, you know, they're looking down and I can imagine my husband's pissing himself for laughing, but saying, stop your fucking flirting. So, you know, you got that. But it is a blessing what we're doing. It is a blessing what we're doing. And, I mean, he really, Bo got me right into this because he changed agencies and I had to go with him. But that was the best thing that he ever done. I mean, how proud do you think, like, Bo and the rest of your family are of you for the things that you do?

16:05Well, my nieces and nephews, they all tell me that if they could only be here with you now and see what you're doing, you know. And, you know, my niece said to me the other day on the phone, you're seeing more fucking life than me and I'm only 50. Are you proud of yourself? Yes, I am. I am. Yeah, I am. Because I do, more so now lately, because I think, what I've done, how many women my age can do what I'm doing? Do you think, like, you know, So you're incredible for, like, the age you are. I mean, I lost my nan. She was younger than you are now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And do you think kind of doing this has kind of given you, like, a new lease of life, like, all this kind of...

16:52Well, Bo keeps me going. Like, Bo do keep me going. You know, like, when we say about the swearing online and that, and he says, look, we're making people laugh. People want to laugh. and I say to him, yeah, at my fucking expense. But people do need a laugh, Pete. Yeah, they absolutely do. And I don't think people are laughing at your expense at all. No, they're not. People are laughing with you. Yeah, but, you know, as I say, I rely on Beau for everything. You know, he looks after me and he does everything. It's incredible. It's genuinely like, yeah. But, you know, you do say to yourself, I'm truly blessed, the same as you are.

17:36Yeah, I mean, listen, I never expected, never in a million years. I mean, like, Sam is very different to me. He always wanted to be in this kind of industry. He kind of loves this industry. And, you know, he's always watched all the shows and all the rest of it. I had zero interest in doing any of this sort of stuff and just kind of fell into it. And even now I don't really watch it. I watch Serial Killers and Animals. That's literally all I watch. But, you know, I've had some amazing opportunities over... But when you was in Essex, Didn't you think then that you would? No. No. No, because, and also, like, TV's changed so much.

18:09Like, back then, it wasn't necessarily, you didn't have influencers. There was only really three reality shows. You only had Made in Chelsea, Geordie Shore and Towie. So people weren't necessarily making careers out of that. They didn't really know what they were going to do. Reality people weren't going on to do radio and they weren't going on to do presenting. They weren't going on to do any of that stuff. We were just kind of the numbnuts making car crash telly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, like, obviously everyone's an influencer, everyone's a presenter, everyone's this, and there's a million shows, there's hundreds of new faces every year coming into that kind of world.

18:43So trying to carve something out of that is kind of difficult, but we were kind of some of the original ones, do you know what I mean, back then. But don't you, like, think to yourself, though, Pete, you know, but out of all that, you've got this. Oh, no, it's incredible. You do, you know, I do. I think from interviewing grind boys to doing what I'm doing now, you know, but I always think though, like in Tattoway, you was in Tattoway, they must have seen something there that you didn't know for you to be brought forward to do what you're doing now. I mean, I think I didn't exactly sit on the fence in Tattoway.

19:24We know that. I'm aware of that, mate. I think it's because, like, similarly, whatever I did, whether it be right or wrong, if you do things with good intention, good people make mistakes. Yeah. You know what I mean? And whatever I did, I didn't do for cameras or I didn't do it. I did it because that was me right or wrong. So I think that kind of level of authenticity of just fuck it. You know, this is me. You either like it or you don't like it, which is how reality TV used to be. Like nowadays, everyone is kind of self-editing. everyone is trying to be something they've seen before and they're too worried about what people think of them.

20:00What people think, yeah. And as soon as you do that, you can only keep up that facade for so long before people start. But yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is why people like us, because you're real. You're real people. I mean, when me and my daughter are like romp for shopping of a Saturday and that, Pete, honestly, I've had kids line up outside Sainsbury's waiting to have photos done. Well, this is the thing. you. I mean, you're famous. But I must tell you a little story. Me and my daughter was shot. Bo knows what I'm going to tell you because I have to tell people this. We was at Romford shopping just before last Christmas.

20:38Not this Christmas, the one before. So we were in own bargains walking round like I walk round oblivious getting what I want and my daughter said to me Mum, there's a little boy over there. He's willing, looks like his mum in a wheelchair and he's really looking over at you. So I said, oh, where? So I've seen him. So I've come round one corner and they've come around the other corner. So his mum said, excuse me. She said it to me, excuse me, is that the name? So my daughter said, yeah, that's the name. So I said, oh, hello, darling. So she said, oh, she said, I'm so glad we've seen you. He's absolutely obsessed with you.

21:21He was about 12. So I said, oh, are you, darling? He's not said a word. So she said, oh, he watches you all the time. Can he have his photo done with you? So I said, of course you can. So I said, what's your name? And he never said nothing. So the mum said, Louis. So I said to him, oh, come on, Louis, let's have a photo. I said to him, Pete, in all innocence, I hope you don't swear like me, Louis, do you? His mum said, he's got fucking Tourette's. He's in his element when he watches you. I said, what? She said, he comes in, he runs upstairs in the bedroom, he puts you on, you're swearingly swearing back at you.

22:04I just can't believe that one. I thought, fuck it. I'll stop and chat with everyone, Pete. Might take fucking two hours longer, but I do. That is me, because I've always done it. Look, we've kind of... Part of the reason that you've come in today and part of the reason I really wanted you in is because I do think there's loads of similarities between you and I. Now, there's a slight age gap between you and I. Oh, a little one. Only a little one. But they all think I'm about 90 years old in here. No. Because I don't do, I'm not very good with technology and all that sort of stuff. Well, no, we're not.

22:38I'm terrible at it. I speak very similar to you. To me. So all the new kind of slang words and all the rest of it, I ain't really down with that. Sam's the one for that. Sam's down with the kids. I am, I'm not really for that. we've got some Gen Z sayings you've got some what? yeah Gen Z sayings basically all the youngsters oh yeah is that right? that's Gen Z isn't it what am I? millennial? maybe boomer no I'm not a boomer well basically different age groups and generations what they say it's Gen Z so I want to see if you know what these mean and I'm going to be honest with you I don't know what half of these fucking mean either I probably won't either Slay Queen Who?

23:23Slay queen. No, I ain't even got a clue. That's basically, so that's what the youngsters say now when you do something well. So if you do something really funny or something, and I'll say to you, Margie, slay queen. I think you've gone fucking mental. There we go, lovely. This is why I love you. I'll tell you what, it's giving. It's giving happy times. Yeah. Have I even used that in the right context? I'm the worst person to do this because I don't understand what they fucking mean myself. Oh, me either. So if... You explain it's giving, Pete, go on. Well, I don't really understand it. So it's giving is like...

24:04If it starts getting hot outside, yeah? So like now we're going into spring, but you see a bit of sunshine, it's giving summer. Giving summer? Yeah, so it's like it's giving summer. Oh, yeah, let me say that it's not quite summer. yet, but it's nearly there. I think I've explained that really badly, but that's basically it. Next one, charge it. I'd be putting my phone on. So this is a Love Island one, I think. I don't know what charge it means. It's like, blame it, blame it on that. It's what? So it's blame it on something. They say charge it now. So if I spilled your coffee. You've done that, yeah.

24:44Charge it. Charge it, yeah. Yeah. Your fucking fault, not Moin. No cap. No cap? Well, you ain't got it on. Yeah, see, I'd go with that as well. What's no cap? Like genuinely or truthfully. Oh, like. Genuinely. So, listen, if I said I love you, no cap. Well, I'd have to say, you're telling me the fucking truth. Well, fucking hell. I see what you've got. You've got good riz. What's that?

25:17It's like you've got a good chat. Oh, my God. Where are they getting these words from? I don't know. It's mental, isn't it? Bo, don't forget. I should be saying charge it to you quite a lot then. She's going to now as well. She'll keep saying charge it and think she's going to. Charge it. Charge it. Bo, fuck off and charge it. Yeah. You're a dickhead. Don't you? It is mad, though, like all these different words. Listen, I'm supposed to be around that generation and I don't get it. Well, I can't understand a word about it. They would say charge it and you don't. I honestly don't know. They take the piss out of me.

25:55See, this is why it's nice to have you in it. I'm the oldest one in this fucking office, right, by not that much, but probably a decade, most of you, and maybe more apart from that one. And they all treat me like I'm sort of father time. Yeah, well, they know what I'd be like because I wasn't brought up with all that technology. I can't even do online banking. Bo has to do it all for me. This is why he keeps going online, checking my fucking spending, which he does, only because he has to do all my online banking. What do you like spending your money on? Now you've got a couple of quid, what do you do?

26:31Well, I tell you what, little pleasure is me. I like to go in Marks and Spencers and think I can fucking buy what I want and put it all in the basket. It's the simple things in life, isn't it, Bo? I'm still, you know, I see a pair of shoes, they might be 70, 80 quid, and I think, wouldn't they dear? And when I sat at the boat, he said, what were you buying? Old habits, Pete. One of my favourite videos, I've seen a video of you, correct me if I'm wrong, of you and a Burberry Mac. Oh, yes, I've done Burberry. Twice I've done them. Yeah, twice I've done Burberry. I couldn't believe it. I've done the Mac.

27:09Yep. And we went to the modelling show on the night, me and Bo. You went to the catwalk thing, yeah. And me and Bo are sitting there, and they come down the middle, don't they? And he said to me, there's two posh old fuckers over there. One's just said, it's Bo the beard, and then I can't believe it. It's very surreal. We both said we wouldn't want to go to all the time because I find them a bit boring, Pete. Yeah. But when you're sitting there, the first time, it's a bit surreal. Well, it's an experience, isn't it? Do you know what? I think that's, it's kind of how I treat a lot of things and I think a lot of people kind of take things for granted.

27:52But everything's an experience. It's the same, like I said to you, like I'm really fortunate to do red carpets and all that stuff. Yeah. I fucking hate them. Yeah. It's great the first time you go because you're like, cough, like this is amazing. See, this is how we was when we went to the modelling show. I mean, when you look at like, But doing things for Burberry and them sort of stuff, it is genuinely incredible. Thank you. So you deserve every part of this. Now I'm going to blow your brain a little bit more with Gen Z stuff because I forget this isn't just sort of a chat over coffee and we've got things that we need to go viral.

28:27So Gen Z, like we just said. I hope it goes viral. Well, we fucking will if we've got you. Got more chance for you than we have Sam. Right, so, dating. Who? Dating. Dating. Yeah, very different now to back in the day. Dating apps. What's your feelings on dating apps? I'd be frightened. You could be fucking getting a proper, someone who's fucking proper mental. Well, this is exactly it. Oh, I wouldn't chance that, Pete. You know how they work, the old dating apps. So you know how to, you know, swipe right, swipe left, and that's how people do it. Just a bet. So if you, for you, like dating, what are your kind of red flags?

29:10Do you know what I mean by that? So in kind of a person, and that doesn't mean, I'm not trying to say that you're looking for someone to date now, but what is it that you would consider a red flag in dating? So if you can take it back to when you were dating, when you were younger. Yeah. Watch how they spoke, you know, different words that they would use. Okay. And if they got a bit too familiar straight away, that would be a red flag to me. That's something you work at. So what do you think, like, you know, the way people don't know everything moves under a mile an hour, doesn't it? Oh. My nan always used to say to me about, like, you know, we used to have a call and you used to have to, you know, arrange different things to lock court in and all that sort of stuff.

29:48Yeah, exactly. Yeah, now they ain't there five fucking minutes, they're in bed with one another. In our day, like your nan, you didn't chance them things. No, no. Because if it went wrong, it was in trouble. But everything's so accessible, isn't it? Like, you know, you can text me, you can arrange to see me, you can meet them on an app, you can see them on Instagram, you can do, you know, you've got access to everyone. Well, they go to hotels for the night now, like with the drop of an app, didn't they? Well, what was it like? Putting a fold in our day. But also, like, you didn't have kind of phones.

30:16Did you only get a phone in lockdown as well? Like a phone? I think so, yeah. So previous to that, you would have had a house phone? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then even like back probably when you were younger, there wouldn't have been a house phone. So how did you even arrange the fucking dates and stuff? Well, you just wait until you see one another. Did you ever do letter writing? It was one of my favourite things. What, to write a letter? Yeah, my nan used to write letters, but, I mean, she was thick as shit, so you couldn't understand any of them. Like, you couldn't, honestly. You can't understand mine.

30:50Couldn't understand anything she was writing. You can't mine. So it kind of got me thinking, obviously, I mean, you've seen me on TOWIE. Would you let your daughter date me? From what I see now, I wouldn't mind, because you're like me. You're more like us. You want someone that's like... I mean, we're lucky. Me and my daughter are lucky because Bo's got a lovely partner, just who's like us. Rooney's got a nice partner who's like us. So they've become our granddaughters now. I went in the pub to meet someone. All right, so this is the story of how you met your husband, yeah? And he was a bit late.

31:36My husband had gone in there to meet someone and she was late. So we just sort of said hello and got talking and he said, who are you waiting for? And I said, I'm waiting to meet someone. He said, so am I. And he said, here, neither of them turned up. Want to come out with me? We'll go to another pub. See, this is the way to do it. That's what we've done. This is the way to do it. So he calls me all the old tots. Well, it's funny. It's what I used to call mine because she used to say, we used to have one going out the back door and one coming in the front door. I was a catch when I was younger.

32:14She used to say she had all but hair. She was fucking ginger. Oh, bless. Oh, bless. Do you think then, if you look at that, like the way people are now and they kind of date on apps and they do all that sort of stuff and it's really easy, you just send a message or whatever else. Do you think romance is dead?

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34:50Like the art of actually meeting someone out and about. Outside, yeah. It don't happen no more. No, no. I'm not a fan of these dating apps, Pete. No. I must admit, I'm not. I'm not. So something I've been accused of multiple times is something called ghosting. Ghosting? Yeah. What's that?

35:11So ghosting is maybe seeing someone and then just completely not seeing them again because, you know, it's not right without saying anything. Oh. How do you feel about that? Yeah, best way.

35:26this is my woman I love this yeah best way yeah and then another thing that I think a lot of people kind of think is kind of dying at is a bit of chivalry being a gentleman so when it comes to first date should you split the bill or should well we never in our day I know it's all different now I mean when I was a lot younger and we was dating a man held a door open for a woman and they let it fucking go now, didn't they? They just leave it and let it go. Do you think that the old age of a gentleman is dying a little bit? It is, yeah. Unfortunately, it is, yeah. I think it's one of the things that, again, because I agree with you, and right or wrong, it's not my place to talk about that.

36:13But I think one of the things that I would pride myself on is them old school values and stuff. And it's not because people can't do it. No. It's not because you can't open the door. It's because they can't be bothered. or they haven't got the sense to do it. But also, it's not because, you know, ladies can't open a door. Ladies can. It's just nice to do it. It's just nice. See? You know, a man always held a door open for a woman. As they say, no, they let it fucking go on you. Well, it's even silly things. You know, Pippa attests to this. It's like being out with me. I'll always walk roadside of the road because it's the danger side.

36:43Near the curb. Yeah. As my husband used to. Men used to do that. Yeah. Right. So what do you think men of today need to do to be a gentleman? What things would you kind of change about men of today? Well, to be a little bit more thoughtful. A lot of men don't put no thought in anything, you know. To me, a bunch of flowers means such a lot, you know. Give a bunch of flowers now and again, you know. Do you know what? It's a small thing, isn't it? Being thoughtful, I think, is so overlooked because we live in such a materialistic world now that it's all about how much it costs or this, that and the other and actually just doing the little bits.

37:26And, like, my husband used to leave notes, you know, like leave a little note. Well, not always nice. Not always. You fucking started a rare last night, didn't you? And when me and my daughter went to Spain, my husband wouldn't go abroad. He wouldn't go on a plane or nothing. like that. When me and my daughter went abroad with her first son, he was only little, I left him a note in the bathroom and he said, you fucking left me a book, didn't you? Keep the sink clean. Do this, do that. But even like little notes, men don't do that no more. No. I do think like, it is part of romance is dead a little bit.

38:09Oh. Do you know what I mean? Yes. Because everyone now, so similar to you, I love a fucking rant. Yeah. And I've ranted about this multiple times. It's now, like, you know, people, like Valentine's Day, for example, what a load of bollocks that is. If you love someone, love them 365 days a year. Take them out for a meal and get shipped out of you. Well, but this is, it's just all bollocks. But they all do it for Instagram and the pictures and the rose petals everywhere and all the other stuff. And a week later, they're shagging their best mates. Fucking weird. Oh, never. He didn't bother, did you, Valentine's meal?

38:41I don't fucking grass me up. He don't. because he said they'd take the piss out of you. Well, but it's all just for showing it. If you love them, you love them. There you go, I love that. So, talking about love, you met your husband in a pub. Yeah. You like a drink now and then? No, I don't drink, Pete. No, I don't. I thought you liked a shandy. A shandy, that's all. Other drinks, no. Not at all? No. Have you never liked a drink? No, I've always ever drank a shandy. Why is that? I don't like it. You just don't like it? I don't have to drink to enjoy myself. So in terms of like the cost, the cost of what a Shandy used to be to what it is now.

39:23Well, must've been about six pence then. Six pence. Must've been, must've been. Do you drink pints or half pints? No, half pint. Half pint. So look, so six pence maybe for a Shandy back in the day. Typically now for a Shandy, you're looking at about£7.50. Wild, isn't it? Yeah. So speaking of how much things have kind of soared in price, we've done something on this podcast before, which genuinely blew my mind. It was the price of fruit in Harrods. Oh. Have you heard about this? I know it's rather expensive, isn't it? Very expensive. Well, 12 strawberries in Harrods. Guess how much? Tenner. so 12 strawberries in harrods will cost you 150 pounds no what do you make of that well they'd have to go fucking rotten because i'd never pay it for 12 no no no marks and spencers do a lovely box for 325 do you think the world's gone a bit mad gone mate it's gone fucking potty if that's a carry on of it So with that, well, I mean, I completely agree with you.

40:3912 straw, oh, I'll have to tell my daughter that. It's honestly mad, right? 150. People are now doing like these videos of they going in there and they're buying these things, but people are generally going, this is the best strawberry ever. I don't get, it's honestly wild. 150 quid for 12 strawberries. So the world has gone a bit mad. So with that in mind, and listen, you're, you know, living an amazing life at this kind of period in this fucking mad world. Would you rather grow up in your time or would you rather be growing up? In my time. Why? Because I think we had the best years. Life was more simple then, easier.

41:18Where you lived was a community. Everybody knew everybody. You know, you could knock on someone's door. Oh, have you got a drop of milk till the morning? I've run out of milk. I remember my mum's neighbour coming down to my mum on a Sunday night and saying, oh, Etty, oh, do me a favour, you've got a bit of soap. I've run out of soap. I've got no soap to wash the kids in the morning. My mum cut her soap in half. If you knocked on someone's door now and said you've got a couple of tea bags till the morning, you'd have to fucking pick them up. But then everyone done it, Pete, because it was a community.

41:53You know, you do, your mum say, here, have you seen old Dole? or I'll have to give her a knock. If she wasn't, well, someone took the kids to school, someone got the shopping. They don't do that now, Pete. They don't do that. It's a different world. Yeah, I agree with you. And again, generationally I'm different, but even when I was a kid and I used to go to my nan's, all her neighbours would be constantly in and out their house. Everyone would be all over the shop. Or sit out on the street door in the summer. You don't see that no more. No, my nan used to take the fence panels out. so that her and her next door, they could have a whole big garden and share the thing.

42:30I mean, my mum used to be along. All down the terrace. Yeah. We lived on the ground floor. My mum would be along the landing with six of them, all with the chair, take turns making a cup of tea. Yeah. And they'd sit there all day. I mean, it's mad, isn't it? But like having someone like you on the pod, I genuinely, it would be wild for me not to ask you this question because I see you and I think you look incredibly happy right now, but listening to some of your story, you've been through some shit and some fucking real tough times. Yeah, yeah. What is the kind of secret for young people today to have a happy life?

43:07If you could give one bit of advice. Do what you want to do. Do what you want to do while you're young. Don't wait. Don't leave it. Because once you're older, Pete, don't look back and think, I should have done it. I always say, whatever you want to do, go for it. Nothing worse than a what if. No, what if, yeah. You know, you think, if I'd have done it, I'd have done this, I'd have been that. Fucking do it while you're young and you can do it. You know, I always would have, I mean, many years ago when my husband was alive, I'd have liked to travel a bit more, but he wouldn't go on a plane, he wouldn't even go on a boat.

43:46So we used to go Bournemouth, Brighton, you know, where I wanted to do that. so you know do it while you're young don't wait till you're too old like you said what if not a good word to say I am I'm going to be honest with you I've wanted you on this pod for such a long time and you haven't disappointed you are one of the most fabulous people I've ever met oh weren't that no you'll make me you'll make me cry I genuinely mean that to be perfectly honest with you I've held back tears throughout this entire thing because I just think you're amazing oh thank you so listen Listen, thank you for being on the podcast.

44:23But listen, you've got to fucking come on my one. Absolutely. I think we've got it booked in. I think it's booked in. No, thank you so much for being on today. You're more than welcome. You are an absolute angel. Make sure you follow your podcast. Yeah. And on socials, everything to do with Grimey. We're going to put all the tags and handles and all that sort of stuff. And if this is your first introduction, then trust me now, you're going to become obsessed with this woman because I am. Thank you for listening to Staying Relevant. with Pete Wicks and Margie. Fuck Sam. To feature in the podcast, make sure you email hello at srproductions.co.uk.

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