178: Myles Smith reveals Sam GHOSTED him??

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1:59This is Monday's episode, so you'll be able to watch this on Josh and Kira's YouTube channel from 5pm on Wednesday, and then we'll be doing a bonus episode, which comes out Thursday, which you can watch on Josh and Kira's YouTube channel from 5pm on Sunday, which means you can catch us on a... On a Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Sunday. Amazing. Then we'll be swearing. If you don't like it, go f*** yourself and listen to something else. Make sure you rate, review, follow, do all of that sort of stuff. Now, I'm going to start this because I think you need to calm yourself down. This is a big day.

2:31We have a guest today, but we don't have any old guests. We have Sam's dream guest. Sam has been talking about this for a year, two years. About a year and a half, yeah. A year and a half. This is massive. Finally, he's agreed to come in. I think it's down to persistence and to shut the fuck. Shut you up, basically. Shut you up. 100%. So please welcome Miles Smith. Miles, we should just have a little. I'll come to you. Oh, you've got to sit on the mat. Oh, we're going, okay, we're doing this. So if you are listening to this, obviously, then what's happening here is Sam has forgotten it's a podcast and decided to mount our guests within the first five minutes of him being here.

3:10Smell great. $4.99 if you want to see the full video. $4.99? Nice check. Not that I'd know. Well, they won't see much. Oh, no. We can't start like that. We've got royalty here. Well, I mean, yeah, it is royalty. 100 % it's royalty Do you know anything about the podcast? Have you ever seen it? I do I've seen a couple episodes Have you? Is that because he's purposely just No, no, no, no I watch it I take a lot of flights So it's good watching Oh, mate That's so cool Okay, look how happy you've made him Nicely done It's a good way to start How annoying do you find Sam? Oh, on a scale of 1 to 10 Not very No?

3:48No, no Okay, nice He's alright Tell me the story about how you first met then Well, I'll take this podcast so yeah yeah yeah why not we've got a guest in sit down and shut up and enjoy the show mate well we met we met at radio didn't we no you take it go for it it was the first time so I interviewed Miles and I do loads we do loads of interviews with loads of people right but it's always kind of the same conversation you walked in and your energy mate was just so fucking great and you were like such like a normal guy and obviously I was a big fan of your song like obviously Stargazing was bopping and it was just for your Brits performance and mate I remember you were just like I just I think we vibed so well and I walked out of that I genuinely looked at my producer I went I think we're gonna be really good friends it's happened and then and then and then you said that like you've been held hostage mate it's happened it has happened I swear we're friends but but then but then obviously you were about to go and do your performance at the Brits yeah and you remember you were gonna you were like I was gonna go and give you a hug before performance this is the coolest thing ever I'm sat at my table.

4:53Miles comes all the way over to my table at the Brits and goes, mate, I couldn't go on without giving you a hug for his performance. And then I met his mum. Okay. All right. He's part of the fam. Are you aware of how obsessed Sam is? I didn't know he was obsessed. I love that. Posters in the bedroom. Which ones? He's repeatedly called his girlfriend your name when having sex. Those sort of things. He's a massive, massive fan. Is it creepy for you or you quite enjoy it? The fact he thinks about me when having sex, I don't know. I'm kind of into it. Put it this way. Sam's a bit like your baby reindeer.

5:35So he's like Martha. Do you know what I mean? Just be careful because you've given him an inch and now he's going to take a mile. But when he's gone, you will think about it and be like, God, I miss that guy. You know what? It's actually, do you know what's even worse? is actually what I did at the previous Brits was actually quite Martha from Baby Reindeer-esque. I basically DM'd Miles and was like, mate, where are you, big guy? And Miles was like, I'm already at this after party. And I was like, I was like, oh, man, I'll come and join you. And then I literally hammered him with about five different messages back to back to back.

6:11Whereabouts is the after party? Don't worry, I'm next to the Sony table. I'll come and find you. I was like, I'll get the address from them. I literally looked at the next morning when I sent him so many back to back to back and I felt so embarrassed. Well, I mean, to be fair, I can see it because there's a lot of similarities between the two of you. Complexion. First and foremost, I think the obvious. You know what I mean? Call it what it is. Yeah, absolutely. But you're self-talk piano. Yep. Sam's self-talk trumpet. No way. I didn't even know that about you. No, he talks about it a lot. We've never heard it.

6:47But apparently. Well, I've lost the lips, you see. Yeah, so like you've lost the lips. Basically, you've got to gain the lips again. You've got to have the muscles in the lips, basically. Before we get into it, boys, I'd not take over your podcast. I wanted to show you how much I care about you. So I've got you a gift. Shut the fuck up. Here we go. Yep. What? Oh my God, what is that? Have a read of that, mate. Have a read of that. That's how close we are.

7:16we go on podcast and Sam goes Miles didn't reply to me Miles doesn't care about our friendship I thought we were closer than we were Sam doesn't reply to me how about that Sam don't play the victim this is the best thing I've ever seen so we sat there alright I'm sat there going do you know how much I'm a fanboy turns out you don't even reply to the game though you don't even reply fucking get out you're on podcast let's set the record straight he's not the victim him i am no no oh my god that is the coolest thing in the world i i'm paying i mean i said he's like baby reindeer i'm slightly worried now because i don't know how offensive you found that so miles has just brought in a cake for us and it's got on the front of it a photograph which He's baked into the cake of our WhatsApp.

8:07Okay. Sorry. Sorry. Let me just stop here. Firstly, I doubt he's baked it. No offence. Secondly, it's not baked into the cake. It's not baked in, is it? No, it's just icing that's been put on the top, mate. Like, it hasn't baked in. He didn't find, you know, dye all the different sponges and make it. That would be fucking intricate, wouldn't it? Mate, I genuinely... You've done bake-off! he's basically got I don't know how he's done it then he's got a photo of our DMs together you should read it you should read it I've read I'll read it I'll tell you what I'll read it alright oh no so Miles has put come through dude Sam has put okay cool I'll come through how long are you going to be there won't be the Brits without a hug Miles has put one latest Sam's put okay cool I'll come say hi what's the address just walk past the Sony table ha ha ha what was funny about that I just thought I felt that sounded a bit stalking then he's put got it laughing face then Miles has replied mate I missed this just seen the podcast I was gone we're great friends mate don't get confused I love ya it's been seen and Sam hasn't replied and how long ago was that Sam?

9:16and that was that was in fucking Mark we're heading into by the time this comes out it'll be April it'll be May so there we go so for two months and it's not even like it's not even he's put I love you and you've gone nah fuck him that is I'd say like that's up there for when my dad left that's how you made me feel that's how you made me feel you and Pete both mate yeah mate I was there did yours go for the cigarettes and all there's fucking there's one big cigarette that coach been smoking it's been 25 years mine went for milk and I'm lactose intolerant

9:55mate that is such good badder from you mum You are a fucking disgrace. I'm sorry. I apologise on behalf of Stan Willivan. Can someone check Tom Hiddleston's fucking messages?

10:08Because if he's been going on for two years about Tom Hiddleston, oh, we're such good mates, he just got replied, and you haven't fucking replied. Do you know what the funny thing is? I did see that and I was like, okay, I don't know what, because I felt so bad that I'd talked about it on the pod and I was like, I feel like a stalker. And then I was like, I've got to reply. So you knew You'd seen it And you still didn't reply No because I was then like I've got to formulate something That actually is like a release And then I forgot If someone says I love you I love you too And then I forgot And then it'd be too long And you're like I can't I don't know what to do Awful You should get into my head Miles It's quite a thing It's quite a place to be There's a lot of fucking room there That's probably one of the best bits I think I've ever seen on this pod Fair play You're the old Bantosaurus Rex so.

10:53Blessed bit of bento, Jesus Christ. That is very good. You've come in hot, sir. You've come in hot. But look, this isn't about me. It's not about Pete. It's about you, son, and how happy we are to have you here. Mate, it's been a big few years for you. Yeah, man. It's been wild. It's been wild. I, like, travelled the world with, like, my best mates and, like, literally played non-stop for, like, three years. Didn't bite sand, though. See, you could have been travelling the world with him if he just fucking replied. All his best mates were there apart from the one when could have didn't reply. Do you have to pick which makes you bring on these kind of things when you're going abroad and stuff?

11:25Do you have to be like, right, it's a ballot? Yeah. How many are you allowed on these kind of things? I'm lucky all my best mates are in my band. So literally my drummer, my bassist, guitarist, keys player, they're literally all my best friends. So it's lucky enough that the people I get to share the stage of and spend every single day with are generally my best mates. Guitarists I've known since I was 11 years old. Yeah, they're all good people. that I've known forever. So, yeah. Have you got any space within the band? Because not only does Sam play trumpet, but Sam has recently found a special talent of his.

12:01Sam considers himself to be a good singer. Oh, let's do it. Have you got it? Oh, fuck. So Sam recently sent into our group. He was at home with his missus and he sent in a video of him singing. See what you think I can sing. You know, we were talking in the pods about what we could have been. Fucking listen to this. I am sitting in the... This isn't the bit. I am sitting in the morning at the diner on the corner. Get ready for it. I am waiting at the counter for the man to pour the coffee. And he builds it all the upwind before I even argue. He's looking out the window at somebody walking.

12:50I don't know Fuck What do we do with this New So I'm just wondering If that's potential for Sam to join up Yeah no front row barricade Like perfect In the audience Yeah yeah yeah Miles invited me on at Hits Live To sing with him Whilst he was performing Did you come? Why did... Left to a C. There seems to be a narrative here. There is. I didn't realise this. But yeah, I mean, do you think you could be a singer as well? Do you know what? I was actually singing Stargazing before you came in. You did. With the whole of The Office. Do you want to sing it two miles? Oh, let's do it. Now I'm a little bit nervous.

13:33I want to hear it, man. It'll make up for this. Come on. Give us a rendition. You're great, yeah. Come on. Full energy. I want the dance moves as well. Don't be embarrassed now. Come on, Sal. Don't be racist. Come on. What are we doing? Take my heart, don't break it. Love me to my bones. Yeah, go on, man. Wait, wait, what's the next bit? All this time I've wasted. All this time I've wasted. You were right there all along. That's great. That's actually class. That's class. I can do that better. I feel like I can do it better. No, no, no. We're not spending all fucking day for you to get that. No, because I cut in half way.

14:13Okay, no, fine. Do you want to have a number go? Take my heart, don't break it. Love me to my bones. All this time I've wasted. You were right there all along. Yeah, that was good. You're not getting a round of applause for the second one. But well done. Let them know which one you want to use there. We'll put the applause in after whichever one. Look, I've just only recently had the revelation I can sing. when did you have that revelation? We haven't been part of the revelation that you can sing yet. When did you have that much? Probably like right when I was younger like 6, 7 I used to go to church with my grandma like quite a bit and like I don't know just being in church you'd sing a lot I don't know if I was good but she'd always tell me that I was and then as you get older more people tell you oh you're not too bad and then yeah it kind of stuck and I kind of ended up doing it as a career so I think yeah like 6, 7 was like the earliest like, I was going to do it.

15:13I didn't want to do it. I don't know. I cringe. I'm cringing. Six, seven. Six, seven. I've been doing that on a Saturday night after a few drinks. Six, seven. Six, seven. I don't know what that means. I don't know what it means. because you had a different, a different sort of way up, I imagine, because you obviously went to uni. Yes, I did. So you went, you went down like the normal bus and bus. Yeah, yeah. And then at some point during uni, you probably were just like, your mates were probably like, dude, come on, man, you've got to get into this. It wasn't music you studied, it was sociology.

15:50Yeah, the sociology, yeah. So like I, my mum was always big on education, like becoming from like a black family is sort of like, make sure you get a degree. That's like rule number one before you could like be free in life. So got my degree and then I realised I was kind of good at the working world. So like I'd like went out and I started my own business and like management consultancy and stuff. and it was like really cool and really fun. And then I realized like - Really cool. Okay. It wasn't that cool. Management consultants. It paid the bills. Do you know what's bad? I find that quite cool.

16:19Yeah. Thank you. Grownups do. I can imagine Marv's just like, at the fax machine. What's really bad is I'm like, I really want to know more about that. The music career is great, but tell me about management consulting. I'm 27. The fax machine. That must be mad. So, okay. So you had a job after that as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then what happened off that? So I got a message from my pager. I'm guessing you think. The carrier pigeon arrived. The carrier pigeon flown in, got on horseback and I was like, I'm going to go make it as a star. No, I sort of realized I was good at that, but I wasn't passionate about it.

16:55And like my mum always said to me, like, find out in life, like it's so easy to get sidetracked at what you're good at, but like try and find what you're passionate about because they're so different. And you can like do the thing that you're good at for your life and then realised you haven't been fulfilled. So I sort of like sold up shop and I used that money to like just fund myself living until music sort of worked out. How tough was it at the beginning then? If you'd sold up shop and you had like a certain amount of money to kind of, right, I'm going to have a go at this. I can't imagine it was like that.

17:24You know what I mean? Tell me about some of the fucking shitty bits. Yeah, it definitely was an instant. Like it did take, you know what? I can't lie. It did happen relatively quickly. like I never got to the point where I was like oh this is bad so I'd say like about seven months after I sold up shop is all it took to like be like oh this could work out and then a year from there was like it was really pumping so I think for me it's like the the hardship was more about like had I made the wrong choice because like in that seven months even though it's a relatively short time it's a lot of time to go am I being stupid we're turning your life upside down and taking that risk 100 percent also like pride wise yeah fucking embarrassing if you go and do that and go i'm gonna fucking have a go with this and then it doesn't work out you have to go back to management consultant 100 100 but it ain't your company and you're waiting for someone else yeah what happened well i was a wedding singer for a bit but it's a very real possibility man and there were times i was like how could i go back into these offices that like you know i was this guy in a suit, like, talking the talk and be like, yeah, you might have seen me singing Coldplay on TikTok, but I swear I could transform your business.

18:34It don't really add up. Like, I guess the next set would have been, like, phone centre. Like, I don't know. Mate, do you know what's mad is before I did TV, I had a proper job. Yeah. So. Tell them what it was. I was, um... Go on. I was international sales director for a medical recruitment company. So I used to supply consultant doctors the NHS and all around the world, the Royal Hospitals in the Middle East. And I stopped all that to become a bum on telly. And then at the start of, I didn't even know you then. At the start of that, in the first couple of years, it was like, fuck, I was fucking good at that.

19:13I had good money doing it. Should I go back to that? But then it's the, how can I go to a hospital and say, listen, I've got a great histopathologist for you. Are you the bloke off the tabby that fingered someone down an alleyway? Yeah, that would be me. But I promise you, the doctor is really good. Do you know what I mean? It's one of those things where you're like, I can't do anything else now. You don't have to have a go at it. Yeah, no. That's the point of no return, really. It's tough. I mean, I weren't finger-beeping on TikTok, but like, you know, I was figuring my guitar and, you know, it's the same sort of like concert.

19:40So I relate to you in that sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, listen, we were both strumming. Yeah. And I was a bartender. Oh, you were a bartender. How could you go back to the bar and go... I didn't know you were a bartender. Yeah, yeah, I was a bartender. That's wicked that man Thank you man Yeah I used to pour a great pint But then But then I did You had good head I just don't believe it I just don't believe it We were strumming And you were giving heads Sounds about right To be fair Welcome to Staying Relevant Mars But then So TikTok was Was how you blew up Yes Yes What's that like Because like It's such a new Phenomenon Yeah Like when you have You know A beautiful voice But like you kind of go that direction now yeah can you translate it do we we did you think you could translate into mainstream and there's two sides to that because when he says what's that like he obviously means you know the blop of that i mean what's tiktok like because i don't have it ah it's a it's a crazy world like so i i did start when i was like 10 11 so like people always say overnight success but it's a long flipping night because i'm like 15 16 years in now but when sort of I came across TikTok it was already because I never used it during COVID or anything and like it was huge and I sort of used it on the sort of like back end of it um but like I was just doing what I was doing in like pubs and open mics on TikTok so I'd literally go on there play songs acoustically like my own songs cover songs and people are like oh like we really like this and it sort of grew like sort of quickly and then I did one cover I think of a song called Sweater Weather by the Neighbourhood and it just sort of like blew up like crazy and I remember being in Budapest and like I was I was having a shit if I'm being completely honest and like I see like Jared Leto has retweeted and reposted on Instagram and TikTok then after that night everything just went like that and then I started releasing original songs and it just went bang bang bang bang bang but TikTok for me like it still to now doesn't make sense because I'm not naturally a person who wants to be on a camera and be like hey look at me look at me look at me but it's been a great place that like I could just show my music and people fall in love with the music I was having a shit earlier.

21:47Yeah. You actually walked in. I did. I smelled it. My husband walked in. Yeah, yeah. You walked in and I kept completely silent. Because I didn't know what to do. I knew you were there. You're a weirder. Can we pick this up? Use a middle cubicle. That's so weird. Yeah, but no, no, no. Let me tell you why. I'll tell you exactly why, right? Sam has absolutely no problem. He would happily, if someone walked in next door and go, Tough lunch, was it? It started a conversation. Oh my God. That's why you used the middle one. You're fucking weird. It was so weird. I love the way you popped it. Completely empty toilet.

22:24Both cubicles open outside and just the middle one with a red latch. I'm like, and it stinks. I'm like, well, this is weird, bruv. I wait for him to leave. And carry it on. And I couldn't say it. You were holding it once he was in. Yeah, I was holding half of it in. Oh, but this is what I mean, man. We can sit down here and have a proper laugh, you mate, because you're like a normal guy. Like, genuinely, I mean, on that note, Like, how is it being like a normal dude? In this world. But in that world. Yeah, it's strange, man. I feel like a lot of people when they meet me, presume that like, I'm gonna have like an ego or something like this.

22:59And like, especially in America, like I'm sure you guys spend a lot of time there, but it's like, there's - Not as much as he wants to. But there's like this thing where like, people treat you differently just because of the job that you do. And it blows my mind. I walk into somewhere and they'll be like, what can we do? What do you want? what do you want how can we help you and i'm just like i could like get my own drink from the fridge and i could like did you ever struggle with that uh yeah i have struggled with it i've i found it really tough because like i like just being able to have normal conversations with people get to know them and like i found it hard when i meet other celebrities who do like being a celebrity because it's like they is well annoying like i won't name any names but like you'll meet them and it'll be like they have this aura about them where they're like the shit and i'm like i'm just trying to say hello and find about your life story you know and like you're talking to me about like oh how much did you make last quarter and what's your what's your tax planning like and i'm like why are you talking about tax planning when i just want to have a guinness i would have gone straight into i'm a guinness guy yeah oh recent convert though recent convert i'll make the same actually uh pete converted me is it yeah to guinness again yeah not to cry i was already i I was already a Christian.

24:11He's converted me to the booze. Not to the booze. He's converted me to the Guinness. I'm going to shut up. Do you struggle? I've struggled. But yeah, it's tough. And like, it's different, like culturally as well, where you go. Because some people like what I've learned recently, I'm releasing more and more songs that talk more and more about my life. And like, when you put stuff into like the public sphere, people feel like an entitlement to ask more. and it's not wrong, but it's something that I never even considered. So I'm talking about, I know songs about where I've had family hardships or dad leaving or blah, blah, blah.

24:45It's like people just ask questions about it. Like they know me and it's like really strange. I think we were on French TV not too long ago and I sat down and it's like live TV audience. Shit you not. And first question is like, so your dad left? And I was like, yeah. And I was like, oh. You better move that next question. Yeah. and it hurt your mum and I was like yeah he was like and this is Miles' song and I was like oh okay we're in this world now where people could just ask things and that's I'm not used to people like knowing Miles if that makes sense which I'm getting used to you want to guard it yeah I want to I hold on to a lot that must be quite difficult though when you're in like a creative kind of area where you have to put a lot of you into songs yeah and I think that's what makes a genuine artist as opposed to someone that's you know for me I love listening to anything that's like vocal i'm not interested i can't even clap to a beat so i've got no interest in music but i love lyrics and i love like the vocal side of stuff you've got a new song out uh my mess yes how is that more you than you have ever been before in a song yeah probably it's like is exposure therapy for me like i was like with this album i just gotta put it out there and just be like okay we're doing this like this way and um yeah it's been really nice to get the response it has like people have really connected with it and i think they understand me more because I had Nice to Meet You and I had Stargazing and they're like definitely like a third of me but there's like two other thirds of me that people don't know and so I wanted to like show people who I was.

26:16Did you find it quite cathartic writing that? Yeah there's a couple records on the album that were definitely like it was like I was like doing my own self-therapy when writing it because there are things I hadn't thought about for years and like now I'm like confronted with like sitting in a room and like putting it on a piece of paper and like i think the album feels like there's no resolution because like i i haven't figured a lot of the stuff that i'm talking out talking about um out and it's just like in real time i'm like processing it as i'm writing so it's been it's been weird but you um you did an instagram post that i saw basically like explaining exactly that yeah like that must be quite nerve-wracking because you're basically like being real vulnerable to people who you're, because you've got super fans.

27:00Yeah. Yeah. What's that like? You put that out there, me being one of them. You put that out there and then like, there's no bringing that back. Yeah. I signed up to be a musician, never to be like famous, even though I'm still like Z-Lister. It's pretty class here. But it's... No, no, no, no, mate. I mean, listen, there's three of us sat here. We're at the Z-level. Come join us, mate. And we're never getting out of here. We've made a real home here. You're right up there. This is a real drop. you're down in the gutter for the day alright you can go back to your fucking palace after this but right now you're in the trenches mate we're gonna we're gonna frame that cake that's gonna be our pride of place if you ever come back here it'll be on the wall rotting just slowly sliding down you can't eat that Miles bought it he baked it himself look he baked in the whole fucking screenshot we don't know why we did it you fucking idiot oh fucking hell man And it must have been like, you must feel sometimes when you put those things out, you're literally like, I can't bring that back.

28:03And if they like it, they like it. If they don't, they don't even do. Yeah, I think I had a good conversation with Ed. Ed Sheeran, by the way. We call him Ed Sheeran. Ed Sheeran, Ed Sheeran, the ginger prince. But he always told me like, put out music that you love, because if it doesn't do well, you'll still love it. And if it does well, you'll love it even more. And if you put out stuff that you don't like, you have to, and it does well, you have to play it for the rest of your life and hate it. or you put it out and you're like why the hell did I do that so like if you choose to put out only what you love there's like no other way for it to feel than good yeah that's such a good point because there was so much more of you in like your more recent stuff in terms of what you've been through and everything else putting something like that out regardless of whether you love it and regardless of whether um you know it's a great track because it's so personal to you yeah does it make you more worried about the response uh no i think because the people in my life love it and the people it's written it was like quite a selfish album in that like it wasn't about pleasing people it was about being honest and authentic and i think that when you like flip that switch and it's not about other people it's about yourself it's like the experience sort of ends way before the album's out it's like i'm really proud of this body of work and whatever happens happens but i'm proud of it and i think that's what i'm super happy with i think that's the nicest way to be like i say this to you sometimes though i like if you're not proud of the things you're doing for you and you're not doing it for the people around you and you're doing it for yourself then you're a bit of a fucking idiot to be honest because that's when you use you lose authenticity and you there are so many people that will do what other people tell to do and do what people love yeah because that will bring success but actually if you don't love what you're doing like you were saying there like what what are you doing it's just wasting it so it's it's amazing and obviously it has been you know received really well everything you've done everything really well which is not always the case stargazing which was obviously the the kind of yeah that was the the big moment uh one billion streams on spot for over one billion it's mental I feel to be the billion guy.

30:11Did you ever think, you know, when you gave up management consultancy, that you would be a guy that had a billion streams off of Spotify? Yeah, that one felt really good. I feel like it was like a little tick in my head to go like, okay, you're doing the right thing and you're doing what you're supposed to be doing in life. Even though I just spent the last 10 minutes talking about it was not about other people, there is some sort of validation that still helps, in a way because like at like my core i still have so many insecurities and anxieties i think we all do and we've just learned i i always believe they never go away you just learn to navigate that feeling better um but there's something about that achievement that's just like you know what like cool i'm doing the right thing and i'm really happy and i'm not only proud of myself i'm proud of like how much i've worked but i always say like with awards or achievements or whatever is more reflection on like having a great team around me than myself and i don't say that just to be that guy that's like it's not about me um but genuinely it like takes a a village to achieve those things now we feel about the trick awards that's how we feel uh by the way uh the voting has closed for the trick awards now so hopefully fingers crossed we've won that but you can also lean on people like you just spoke about ed just then i'm gonna call him ed now um just ed uh you've obviously met some pretty i mean you're like best mates of alex warrant now yeah is how's that first meeting as again like a really normal dude like meeting all these stars yeah do you ever did you ever like when you first met the fanboy at all or you just like no there's a big one for me as well because you did drive safe yeah with Niall Horan and obviously Sam's a big One Direction fan so um how was that what's he like Niall Horan I've interviewed Niall before nice dude he's awesome Niall's probably you should get him on here he's hilarious we should You can know how we do it.

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33:55Honestly, I think you should hit him. He would do this. I would fucking love that. He's hilarious. Is he? It's a bit like when I met you. Yeah. Genuinely, first time I met him, like absolutely clicked like straight away. Second time I met him, we're back at his pub till about five in the morning. He owns a pub? Yeah, he is in his gas. That's a fucking drama. Had a Mackey's at like half five in the morning. It was one of those nights. It's like, he's got a Guinness pump. It's great. but he's one of the best people in this world like him and ed like they're very similar and just like they're real people as well exactly what you mean there would be the two people that i would say yeah you can see they haven't lost that thing they're just super normal i mean like the way you obviously obviously when people kind of look at people like you nile whore and ed sheeran like superstars yeah so like you were saying people wouldn't understand that you're kind of normal people but is there anyone that you have worked with or you have met where you kind of still go fucking hell yeah definitely it's not in music though i feel like when you're in the industry i'm sure it's like when you guys meet people in tv or whatever it's like you know what each other do so it's not a confusion but when i like meet meet like movie stars and stuff i'm like oh you're really famous yeah you mean like i've i was lucky enough to be like one of the time 100 in like 2024 five i think 2024 like top 100 most influential people definitely don't know who cowboyed me into that list but i was there and it's just like like all of the marvel characters it's like serena williams and smone biles and like snoop dogg and i'm like yous are famous yeah and that felt wild did you meet snoop dogg yeah yeah i met snoop dogg what's he like i mean our interactions usually just like sir i'm just like hey you met him a few times yeah yeah yeah i met him at the voice in the us when i did a performance on there met him at time 100 and then there was this weird event I got invited to and it was like him, Eminem and Dre.

35:51You met Eminem? Yeah. Well, by me, we acknowledged each other. So yeah. That's big, mate. Yeah. And Shaq was there. Shaq was there. So was LeBron James. Yeah. Oh, that's quite fucking cool. Yeah. It was a mental, mental thing. Rubbing shoulders with the greats, man. I met Ross Kemp recently. That's lit though. Mate. That is lit. I nodded at Justin Bieber once. see what I mean but a nod's enough yeah did he acknowledge he went thanks man so wait so you were within speaking distance and he nodded at him yeah there's generally I must have told you this story yeah no we've done this podcast for three years and you tell us every story including when you have a shit but suddenly suddenly he's dropped about hundred names and suddenly it means Justin a great mate no no we're not still that we're great mates I just so I was walking up a flight of stairs he was walking down I went Justin Bieber I was like oh you're killing it man he went next dude that was it nice oh that's class it felt pretty goddamn good to be fair who's the dream collab oh oh the dream collab in the music world how would you ask them how would i art snoop dog yeah i'd probably have to like find weed somewhere and be like hey mr snoop look what i've got for my services um i don't know i'd probably art someone in my team.

37:14I wouldn't be able to do it. So it wouldn't be a DM slide? No, I couldn't DM slide Snoop Dogg. He's been put off DM slide. Yeah, I've learnt my lesson. I bet Snoop Dogg would fucking reply. And as like Pete said, who'd be your dream collab? I really love Chris Martin. He's always been up there for me, man. Coldplay, they've always been a big part of my musical journey and yeah, I'd love to work with him. I love Mumford as well. Mumford and Sides are fucking brilliant. Obviously Ed, but we've written a ton of songs. It's just like, I think I just love writing with Ed. So Stargazing, am I right in thinking you wrote that in 15 minutes?

37:48Yeah, yeah, it was a quick one. It was... There's a quick one and there's 15 minutes, mate. That's a million streams and it's just like... That's fucking mental. How do you write a song in 15 minutes? I don't think I can even write it that fast. Nah, it's possible, man. Like, when you write so many songs, it's like, there's... Like, the thing about the songwriting world is like, I'll write like 500 songs a year. Do you type or write? Notes. on my iPad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or voice note. But yeah, it was like the end of a writing camp, which for people who don't know, it's like I've got two main collaborators I work with and we just booked a house in Malibu.

38:26It was literally just when I got signed and we were there and we just wrote songs for like two weeks and it was right at the end of it. And we're just like, let's just do one more and it was stargazing. Do you specifically go with writing a song as a whole or do you write verses and different kind of bits and then pull them all together? Like there's not like, or is it like, I'm going to write a song, this is the song. Or do you just write good verses, good kind of melody, that little bit and then pull it together? It's different every time. Like there's songs on the record, which are like super personal to me.

38:56And it's like, I want to talk about this specific thing and I've got to get it out right now and I'll write the whole thing. Well, there's times where it's like, hey, it's like, we're here for a week. I'll write a chorus on the Monday and we'll come back to it like on the Thursday, like and see if we can unlock the door on it. because sometimes you'll write a song and you'll get like 6 % through and then you hit a wall. And you're just like, as opposed to stressing about it right there, just put it away. Then you come back the next day and it's like, oh, it's obvious what needs to happen. So, yeah.

39:22That's mad. That was just 15 minutes. And then do you, is it always about like, so for example, stargazing, was that about like a relationship? Like what was that like about? Yeah, stargazing was always just about like falling in love. Like there was a story from like one of the writers there about always having known his partner throughout his whole life. and like they'd gone sort of like back and forth and like, you know. Kind of a fairy tale. Yeah, fairy tale thing. And then eventually it all worked out. And like that was like the basis of stargazing. But the actual word stargazing in the song was like the last word of the song.

39:53Yeah. And I remember like writing it with Pete and Jesse and like we're stuck there. We had like, You were right there all along. And then we had like, You and I, Da, da, da. And it was just that for like, like so long. And this is like after the song's already written, we just had a gap there. And I remember Jesse, he's like the funniest man in the world. Do you know what Zinzo are like? Those like nicotine pouches. He has like, he's addicted. So he has like six in his Top Gun. He sits there like sort of like belly out on the couch, just like this. Guys, what if it's just something stupid, like stargazing?

40:35And me and Pete look at each other and we're like, He's a fucking genius. It's like that Steve Madden thing from Wolf of Wall Street. It's like that just works. It just worked. And it was the only word that we didn't have for the song. And it just made the whole thing work. Yeah. And then My Mess. Yeah. Is that, who or what is that about? Yeah, My Mess is sort of about just me and how I grew up. And sort of like, it was chaos at home. And so many people went through like separation and divorce and stuff. I did? Yeah. Seven years old. I was the same age. Were you? Yeah, same age. I ran away from home.

41:08Oh, you ran away. I only got half an hour out. Yeah. I mean, he just came back from boarding school that term. It's not even a lie. I was at boarding school. Dad had gone. I hadn't even told him. But it can be, at that age, it can be quite... And it's confusing. Really fucking confusing. I don't know what was going on. 100%. So, yeah. And mine was dragged out. It was a long separation. But it was like reflecting on that time of life. And like my therapist like always asks me about the five, like five whys is what she called it. and it's like for instance like i like to be alone on my own and you'd be like why and it'd be like because i like my own company why because when i'm not in my own company i feel unsafe it's like why do you unfulfill unsafe in your own company blah blah blah and you keep asking why five times and it normally leads you to the root of why you have a certain sort of like thing in your life and indecision was like really big on my mind like i just overthinking i was always decisive and like i remember doing the five whys of her and finding my therapy notes and it all coming back to just like as a kid i had no choice in a household that was so chaotic and it was like putting that into a song just felt so right and it's sort of like yeah made it what it is and then obviously like your your mom hearing that yeah she must be so proud yeah she's seen that she's seen you put something out there that's like so deep within you 100 she must have your parents must have been really proud of you yeah yeah yeah i mean not sure my dad not seen him for a while um usually our separation works but just this medical thing from listening so your mum must have been your parents would be worrying about the dad then fuck the dad he's gone I don't know he's probably somewhere on the beach with my dad 100 % having a stick in a bite of milk you know what I mean thank god we left them two cunts 100 % on the fucking telly and go Jesus Christ that's mine that's mine what the fuck did we just become best friends But they fucking made it.

43:03100%. Then your mum, your mum must be able to move. She was mega proud. And I remember calling her, I was in a hotel room and it's like this weird thing that we do now called content. And I was like, making content is weird. I still find it weird, but I got used to it. It's so like short form content. This is great content. This is real. This is real life. But I remember like, about to go into the cycle of promoting it and giving her a call when my team were in the room. And like, she was just like, honestly, it's like your truth. It was like, whichever light it paints me in or however, you know, you need to express yourself.

43:36I want you to express it because ultimately it isn't my story, it's your story. And I'm just proud of you for telling your story. And like that sort of unlocked the door on the whole album for me. So, I mean, My Mess kind of sets the tone for the album, which is coming out in June. Yeah. Which is My Mess, My Heart, My Life. Yeah. What else can we expect from that album then? Ah, honestly, it's... Is there sort of more separation? What other delights have we got? Yeah. Divorce. Divorce. No, no. Honestly, it's a mix of everything. I wanted to paint it how I do my live shows. I wanted to take people for like a range of emotions.

44:11So it's like there are really sad songs, but then there's also like really euphoric songs and songs that make you feel safe and songs that make you like question a bunch. And like, for me, it was like the album was always supposed to encapture like being human. And like I tried not to finish any of the songs like they were filmed, like with Happy Ever Afters or like this is miserable. It's like they're all open-ended in a way. And that's because I think that's how we experience life. It's never, you never really have closure on anything. Someone said saying to me recently that the problem that we have now, like as people, is that we stop being human beings and we've started being human doings.

44:47Yeah. And everything is for an end or a reason. And actually we've stopped just being, whether that be good or bad and kind of being present. And it sounds like this is the kind of prime example of that. I'm looking forward to it, man. I'm very much looking forward to it. Also you performing at the O2. yeah baby have you performed at the O2 before I have but not my own headlines oh this is it we can tell you a little bit about it yeah I don't want to brag but we've actually done the O2 ourselves we've actually got a piece of the O2 up here from when we headlined the O2 just to say sold out the O2 but look mate do you know what not that we're begging if you want us there oh well that's a pure beg I'd just like to point out if you invited me won't come but I will please I'd love you there I thought you'd be there already oh mate we'd love to we really aren't friends aren't we like it's just this is all for camera what the hell he's gonna send you the link for a ticket I'm disappointed if the invite's there we would love to come you don't need an invite you're welcome oh yeah we'll just buy a ticket it's sold out but like there we go like that it's sold out yeah before the album mental that's a big that's a big arena that is mate you must be so excited I'm buzzing it's going to be a blast and they're all there just to see you as well I guess so yeah all bored and then you're going to be back on tour yeah with Ed Sheeran yeah yeah back on tour with Ed through North America do you like being on tour I love being on tour man it's the greatest like for me it's like I only do music to be able to play live like that is the best feeling in the world like standing there and like having your songs sung back at you yeah but like watching in real time people go through emotions and just like be free because like when you go into a concert not everyone's concert but like mine or or someone else's like it's you could escape the world like you're not on your phone you're just there and you're like living and being in the moment and getting to do that night in night a north american audience member i imagine is quite a lot different to a uk audience member maybe.

46:53Yeah, more sober. Really? Yeah. In Manchester, they stormed the stage and grabbed Pete's cot. No way. I couldn't help him, by the way. He likes to jump into the crowd and get patted on the head like a fucking retriever. I can't do that. They stormed the stage, ripped my shirt, hands down the fucking trousers. All he did was fucking piss himself laughing. Oh my God. No, we stand in solidarity with him. No, you didn't. You didn't finish that out laughing. You went and grabbed the phone and recorded it. Yeah, we did. before the moment. You need to do one of those things, the camera, if you need help, you need one of those, like, in this segment.

47:28It was, yeah, I was miles back in the audience. I was going, Pete, get off, Pete. I saw the mic, I had the old fucking Britney mic, I was like, they've got my car! All of that is legit, by the way, it's fully real. Pads, what are your tours? So just, mate, they're pretty wild. So just don't dive in, you've never, have you ever crowd surfed, Miles? He didn't. Have you seen, I'm heavy, mate. I'm not getting any lawsuits for that Would you ever get into the crowd? I've been in the crowd a few times Are they grabbing or what are they doing there? Depends which country I'm in Every country is different If I'm in Germany it's like 10 foot wall either side And they're like If I'm in like Dublin Or you know Glasgow Or Manchester is all in It's just a party Have you been to South America?

48:14Not done that yet, no I think we've got plans to Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm excited for that one. Yeah, I mean, anyone that I know that has kind of toured around South America kind of way has always said it's the best place. I'm missing out. Have you done South Africa? We're not superstars. I'm sure people in South Africa... What we do is we invite people with talent and we ride off the back of you. Do you know what I mean? Off the back of this, we're going to be like, well, Miles Smith's there. Should we go to Australia? We should go to Australia. If someone was going to describe your music in one word, what's the best thing they could say that would mean the most to you?

48:57Oh, honest. Yeah, it's always honest. I have to write honestly. Every time there's an opportunity to go left or right to make it sound more cool or sound more this, I always pick what's real though. I love that. Miles, on that note, to be fair, what would you say to one who wants to make that leap? It's by the fax machine. Stick to management. Get a pager. It's by the pager, by the fax machine. He wants to make the jump, but doesn't maybe have the courage to do it. Are you asking for yourself? Who knows? What I would say is like, way up like the reality. Work out if you're any good. It's what you're saying.

49:38Can you say? Yeah, can you actually do it? No, I'd say like, if you're confident, if you have self-belief and you really believe you can do it. Not just like semi. You've got to be like so delusional. Just go out and do it. I feel like you have to be delusional to what we do. Have almost an arrogant self-belief. Yeah. Because if you don't. Yeah, if you don't. No one's going to believe in you more than yourself. I love that. Yeah. Amazing. Mate, thank you so much for joining us. My mess is out now. My mess, my heart, my life drops in June. Yep. Make sure you go and listen. We love you so much. Love you too, bro.

50:09I adore you. I know it looks like I don't. You definitely don't, bro. I genuinely. thank you so much for coming on mate and if we do ever do the O2 again we'd love to have you as a guest I've got to see you down at the O2 for mine mate yeah okay fine one for one I like it 100 % 100 % I'm going to be honest it's a slightly different crowd at both of those as last time a lot of them dressed up as penises they did actually it's basically like a Hindu at Butlins you've got to come to the O2 dressed as a penis please oh my if you do that I'll get you on stage okay fine you've seen it here oh shit If you dress as a penis, I'll get your stage at the end too.

50:45Okay, cool. Awesome. I'll be shaking it on camera now. I'm assuming Pete has to do it as well. Yeah, yeah, both of you are. You're not just one of you. He has to be both of you. I'll come as the bollocks. There you go. Yeah, done. Alright, Pete's the bollocks. Shake his hand. Class. I'm not shaking his hand. I'm not dressing as - He's not going to go on stage, sing my mess about a really traumatic time of his period, and then we waddle on as a penis and bollocks. I'll definitely do it. Fuck it. Right, I'm off. He's telling us he's doing it. I'll be there as the penis. Well done. Well done. See you.

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