Pete’s Guide to Not Giving a F*ck!

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2:32And if you want to feature in the bonus episode, email the worst email address in the world, which is... Hello! At srproductions.co.uk. Let's start with the emails. Riley. Good old Riley. Sam and Pete. Hey, the life of Riley. There she goes. Sam and Pete been a silent viewer slash listener until now. I wish you'd stayed that way. No, I don't think you will. I just want to say how much I've loved watching you guys and the company grow over the past couple of years. Got me thinking, what's the biggest thing you've learned about yourself? Oh, this is like one of those sort of like, this is like a dire of a CEO kind of moment.

3:08Yeah, finish the sentence. We could go either way. What's the biggest thing you've learned about yourself this past year? Love you endlessly. Riley. I'm more patient than I thought I was. why have you learned that what's made you learn that because i've needed a lot of patience uh no generally i think i'm more patient i'm i'm i'm more i'm calmer than i used to be i would agree yeah i don't know and it's not one particular thing but i'm calmer than i used to be i don't know if that's age maturing and i i give less of a fuck It's the 30-year-old syndrome, isn't it? Where you're literally like...

3:46It's the nearly 40-year-old syndrome, actually. It's where you stop caring. Everyone says that's not real. When you're younger, you're like, no, it's genuinely a thing. I think that, Pete, when you get to that age and get past your 30s, you genuinely do stop giving less of a fuck. You always care a little bit, but less. Yeah, I think what it is is actually I've started to realise what is important and what is not, and cut a lot of dead weight from life. And I think that's important because I would rather have five special people in my life than 50. I never had 50, so I wouldn't know. So, yeah, I would say.

4:26I'm quite happy I'm still part of that list, by the way. Five. We were in the five, by the way. Sorry, all right, six.

4:34Yeah, I think that's it. I think I've learnt to be more patient and what matters. I think that's probably where I've got. What have you learnt other than blue makes your eyes pop? That's a great question. It is from Riley. This isn't like a 30-year-old thing or anything like that. I probably should have learnt this earlier. It's to trust your gut. Gut's always right. And I know everyone says it, harder to follow the gut. because sometimes you're like i mean you followed yours to the toilet yeah but it's i genuinely when i have a feeling in in in my stomach i go to the doctors that's what you did previously i did no but i whenever i have a feeling in my soul let's say i always know that that whenever i've followed that it's always been right but for some reason because i don't back myself much i i sometimes think that other people know more than I do because I I'm I self-deprecate quite a lot and so now what I'm learning to do is to trust what I know and what I think I am good at and then actually be like nah do you know what this is right and then I and I and I act on that and and the gut is I always think always right relationships business personal life whatever it is that you have that um not a leaky gut but like as in like that feeling inside i have it so profoundly yeah but it's never i've always done that i think i actually i think another thing that i've probably learned is um to listen and not assume i'm always right yeah i think i've learned a bit of humility because i i've always done things my way and sometimes that's not always the best way do you know what I'm hearing from this?

6:24I'm hearing that me and Pete might have been sort of like we're like merging we're interlocking we're docking we are fucking hard docking with each other because what I'm hearing is I'm learning to be a bit more like you you might be learning to be a bit more like me yeah I think maybe you've got a bit more confidence in some areas do you think? yeah I'd say so which is a good thing what have you learned Pete? what have you learned what have you got from me what have I got from you yeah um well one one contact then and we'll take it good start we'll have it um right nice Riley nice um Brooke she loved us endlessly so we love you endlessly uh boys time for an old school dilemma ooh I need some help we are currently writing our wedding invites I have an auntie who I can't stand, but it would mean a lot to my dad if she was invited to the wedding as it's his sister.

7:27So I thought, let's invite her to the evening only. My husband and I will be too drunk to care by this point if she's there or not. However, my partner is fucking stubborn. He's putting his foot down and saying, no, she can't come at all. She's annoying. He doesn't like her. Fuck her. I said it means a lot to my dad, but he said it's not my dad's wedding. it's ours again fuck the auntie what do i do in this situation anonymous for obvious reasons i mean he may have answered why he doesn't want her there in that last sentence he fucked the auntie potentially we don't know maybe that is that could be that could be a reason why he's so adamant about not being there i don't know no in all seriousness it's an interesting one i would like your point of view first on this because sometimes what happens is i'll say mine and you will agree with me.

8:19Fuck the auntie. You think fuck the auntie? Fuck the auntie, it's my day. I don't give a shit, you're an auntie as well. Like, you're not even like really, you're sort of like a sister. Of one of the parents, yeah. That's exactly what they're like. Yeah, but like, I might not have seen you for ages and every time I see you're a dick, like, I don't fucking care, you're not in my life. So I think that the dilemma, I'll see you later. I think the dilemma is, right, is not, so she doesn't like her, but it means a lot to her father. To the dad, yeah. Well, dad, you already had a chance of getting married.

8:50You got divorced. That would - I just made that good up. That isn't here. Well, let's find out the dad's marital status. Okay. Okay. Oh, fuck me. This has gone rogue. You've just gone full Pete on this. Yeah, I'd say so. But think about it. So you're going with fuck the auntie? 100%. My day. I disagree. Do you? What I disagree with is the partner having a say. It's their day. Slightly different. Him being completely stubborn about it. Weddings, I dislike weddings anyway, as we all know, for this exact reason, this sort of bullshit. If it means, it depends how much it means to the dad. We don't know the full context of this, but it would cause your father a lot of problems if his sister wasn't invited to her niece's fucking wedding.

9:48We need to know why really. What do the answer do? There's a bit of context there. The fact that she's annoying isn't enough not to invite her to cause what is potentially a longstanding family feud. What if she's rude? But we don't know. I mean, he's put just annoying and he doesn't like her. You know what I mean? There's lots of people. If that was the case, if I got married, there would be me and my bride. To be fair, she's also going to have an auntie who I can't stand. She can't stand, I get it. But if it means a lot to the dad, and it depends really. We don't know much of the situation. I think the evening is fine and I actually agree with that.

10:27Partner being that stubborn about it, listen, you're not marrying. Regardless, this is why weddings are a fucking nightmare because you end up with half the people that you don't fucking want there. because there's probably, if you go down that route, you could probably go through your wedding list and knock off 50 of them fuckers. Right. Do you know what I mean? And if that's the case, then that's what you should be doing. It depends what she's done. Yeah, well, of course, there's a lot of context. If it's just you've got this, I can't stand most people, but they would have to come to the wedding.

10:58I'd rather they not be there, but it's like, well, why? Because they're fucking annoying. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's one of them. If she's done something really fucking, yeah, fuck. but there needs to be a bit more context for me. You can't, and for the partner, if it's just that she's annoying and he doesn't like her, meh, you know what I mean? Yeah. I would say we need context. And also, how bad is she that she's potentially going to ruin the wedding? Well, you've got to ask yourself the question. You know what I mean? What is it that she does and how likely, if it's going to ruin the wedding and it's going to cause issues, then I would say absolutely not.

11:36if it was Nancy it's what's the right decision who was just rude I would just and always whenever I saw them and rude to my partner and just wasn't very nice and dismissive and all these things I'd be like well this is a day to celebrate our love and I don't think that I want that person there and to be honest dad you need to grow up and you need to tell her you've never once told her that she'd been rude to be all my partner so actually you need to we're filling in some blanks here we are I'm filling in blanks here we're filling in blanks here actually to be honest with you but I would say I'd be like dad you need to speak to my auntie have you got some sort of like I love my auntie.

12:07Well, just, well, yeah, she's great. She used to always give me a 50 pound note every time I saw her. Yeah. She's on my good books. maybe that's an answer then. Maybe if she pays, maybe if she pays 50 pounds, this is awful. My uncle, last time he saw me, I don't see my uncle like much at all. I don't like him. Hate him. Annoying. He fuck the uncle. He, I never see him. My auntie is lovely to me. And, and last time I saw him, he introduced himself to me. I had dinner with my family. And as I was walking in, no, when we were leaving, he went, nice to meet you. You're nice to meet you. And I went, nice to meet you.

12:49I'm your fucking nephew, mate. Was he joking? No, he's being serious. He doesn't know if he's met you. Well, he was just, mate, he literally, was it when he introduced, he might have introduced himself and be like, hi, mate, nice to meet you. And I was like, oh, hi, mate, I'm Sam. Like, it was wild. he like introduced himself to me the first time like last time I saw him my auntie is lovely he's just never really cared about our side of the family but yeah he so it can't be that bad well that's what I like is it do you know what I mean and I would probably still invite my uncle well it'd be weird for him when he gets to the environment you'd be invited to Sam and tell him who the fuck Sam but alright so yeah so I need a bit more context but it depends how bad she really is to be honest with you otherwise Otherwise, if she's been a complete ****, then, yeah, fuck her.

13:38What would she have had to do for you to not invite her? What would Auntie Judy had to do? What, to not be invited? Yeah. If she'd been inappropriate, rude, or had ruined a previous party. How?

14:00Victoria Beckham kind of vibe? She's a slut drop on? Got her tits out and, I don't know, fucking slapped them around the priest's face. I don't know. Quite vibing. But if some think like that, then yeah, I get it. If it's just that you don't really like her and she's a bit annoying. What if she got on the mic? What if Aunty Jude got on the mic and she was just like, and she's hammered. And she's literally like, all right, this, the food is shit. Or just like made a real scene. Then I would talk to Aunty. Yeah. And say, what's wrong with you? do you not want to come to this fucking wedding you're going the right way about getting uninvited but for now you are so sort yourself out yeah if you up my day we're done pete's day imagine fucking up pete's day oh you'd be terrified but and again it's difficult because i don't really have like a you know it's you know i don't know it's a bit of a weird one i don't really know the rules on wedding invites and i don't really know the rules on invites for things you're the I'm the kind of person you wouldn't care.

15:03I don't think you'd care. I think you'd just be like, look, I'll have 15 people that I'll bring. Who do you want to come to your wedding? Oh, me mum. Obviously, I'll be there. Well, yeah. Top table. If I wasn't top table, I'd be for you, maybe. Eh? Top table. Do I have to be on the top table as well? Yeah, yeah. Oh. It'd be you, whoever you're with, me. Well, I think I'd want my wedding. To be honest, I don't think I'd really, if I was going to get married, I'd fuck off somewhere. and we'd all come with. No. I'd just go and get married. I'd come back and just have a party, and then I don't really care who's there.

15:38There's no tables, and there's no fucking... Oh, I love a wedding. I love a wedding, man. God, no. Oh, the tables are great. There's always one table that's always like... Well, that's the table that I would sit on, generally. The rowdy one. It's the rowdy one in the corner where they put all the kind of single people, and it's right next to the kids' table. You know what I mean? That's where I sit. Do you remember when we went on, me and Pete went to a wedding? I can't remember whose wedding it was. Me and Pete went to a wedding. This is years. When we first met, really. We were on Katie Price's table.

16:05No, we weren't sat down. We just went to the evening. She turned up. We were at the table. We weren't. Yes, we were. We were sat at the table, mate. On my life. Yeah, we were sat and then we danced. I've never been to a wedding with Katie Price. We were on Katie Price's table. On God. Whose wedding was that? It was a guy, I think. We went to an evening. sat round the table?

16:34Maybe. I know we were. I think we went to an evening. I still have a video of it, I guarantee. I remember it being an evening wedding and there were tables. I don't think it was table places where we were sat down. I think we probably sat on a table she was on. I cannot, I cannot for the life of me, because I firstly, I don't know, I don't think I'd go to a day wedding. If I'm wrong here, it may have been during my very drunk years because I cannot for the life of me remember it whatsoever. I know the picture because I had black trousers on and a grey suit. But I remember, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I remember.

17:10I know the picture because you made it really old. But I cannot, I'm almost certain. I remember the table. It was under a marquee. Yeah, I remember all of this. But we didn't, we just went to the evening. We were next to Katie Price. But because it was an evening thing and there were just tables and we sat down and then she was there. There was no name. Yeah, it was probably a buffet. That's the eve, that's the dinner. But then we chose to be on that table then. We just sat down and people sat on the table. I wasn't placed next to fucking Katie Price and whatever she was married to at the time.

17:42That's just, we were guests at the same wedding and sat next to each other by accident. On a wedding table. We were the rowdy table. Fucking long, weren't they? The ceremony's actually not that long. No, but... No one thinks it's longer than it is. So you go to a day wedding and you turn up at 11 o 'clock and fucking, right, fine. Then there's like a fucking two-hour fuck-around between then and the fucking... Sing some hymns. The four-course meal of crap that I don't want to eat. And then you have like a fucking an hour turnaround before the buffet. The buffet comes out two hours later. You know what I mean?

18:15Like, well, I don't need to go there for the day, Ben. It's not a buffet, either. I've never been to a buffet at a wedding. Have you been to a wedding every evening? there's like a buffet. There's never a buffet. I've only been to one and there was a buffet. Thank you. Every evening you have a sit down meal because the evening guests all turn up and then they get fed with a buffet in the corner. So then everyone goes back to the buffet. But the people that have been there the people that have been there they've already been there for 10 hours. And then by the time the evening guests come you're like fuck me I can't stand that c***.

18:46But you've had 10 hours with all the other c***. I love it because you meet people So just come to the evening when people are suitably pissed they leave you alone and they're not as excited because otherwise you've got to sit there and have all the small talk with people so what are you doing with your life what the fuck's it got to do with you oh I love being sat next I enjoy being sat next someone I like I once spilled red wine over there I've never met before we were all wearing like suits and there was a guy at the wedding at the dinner yeah afterwards that's fucking mad and um there wasn't a buffet in sight and uh and I spilled yeah I just go to poor weddings that have buffets sorry I spilt red wine all over a guy's shirt that I'd never met before in my life there's always that at a wedding and there's always the person that gets fucking too drunk and then ties his tie around his head and skids across the fucking floor and then tries to fucking dance with someone's nan and fucking she falls in the pool or a bush at the end of the night there's always somebody by the way who takes the onus off the wedding normally oh yeah there's always a fucking drama what's happened oh the bridesmaid's crying because the groom fingered her sister.

19:52Well, no, normally what happens is there'll be an ex, so there'll be an ex-couple, right? Yeah. Who have gone to the same wedding because they both know the same person and they will re-hook up that night. Everyone will be talking about that. No one's talking about the bride and groom. Then the bride gets really fucked off. Everyone's just waiting for the buffet. The line for the buffet's huge, but that's happening at two weddings that I've been to. Yeah, it's a lot. Love it. So anyway, moving on, question time. Question time. And again, big hard hitting. Sam, take this one away. If you were an egg, how would you be made?

20:31How would you be cooked? How would you be cooked? You'd be hard boiled, 100%, no doubt about it. Are we answering for each other? Mate, would you be any other way? Souffle. What? There you go. Why? Why? Because souffles are lovely. Do you know what I mean? They start sort of soggy and damp and rise into a fluffy, beautiful piece of art. Cream, butter, just black pepper, lots of salt. I'd be an egg souffle. Okay. And you can add lots of different flavours to that. You know what I mean? It's a little bit more, you know, interesting than a hard-boiled egg. You'd be hard-boiled. But if I was, and that's what I'd like to be, because it's how would I like to be cooked, and I would like to become a souffle.

21:18However, knowing my luck, I'd be a hard-boiled egg that's been overcooked and left on the side for a couple of days in Tupperware, and then you slice into it and it's grey.

21:30Oh, that's so great. A yuck has gone grey. That's what I would be, but in my dreams, I'm a souffle. He's a hard-boiled egg with a dream. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, I'm not yoking. That is exactly what I would like to be. Oh, that's so good. The grey. Oh, God. And he'd be eating with somebody who's trying to lose weight. What? Okay. My dad always used to have a hard-boiled egg when he was trying to lose weight. He'd put it in supper, put it in the fridge, exactly like that, and he'd just hold it and eat it. He'd just eat hard-boiled eggs when he was trying to lose weight. If you were an egg, how would you be cooked?

22:07Oh, there's so many answers. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's a real plethora of fucking decisions to make here. Well, again, how I would like to be made, to be honest with you, it'd probably be scrambled. Right. I would say that's what I would have picked for you. Scrambled just because we're all over the place. But we end up, because when you're whisking it and then you're putting it on, it almost feels bad. I still feel bad. Like in there, because you're kind of breaking it all up and you're making a mess. Right. But then you turn into something really tasty. Because I'll have that with a little bit of Marmite on top.

22:41Sorry. A little bit of pepper. Why do you feel bad?

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24:51What do you feel bad for? The egg? This could be the autism. I feel like you're breaking up a hole into like... Because when you make an omelette, it's like flat and really nice and even and smooth. And when you have an omelette, it's like... So what do you feel? You feel bad for the egg? No, it just gives me a weird feeling. Oh, you don't mean like emotionally you feel bad for the egg? No, I don't mean emotionally bad. You feel like... It's just like, it's quite hard to explain. It's like a feeling. Okay. It's like a cookie. I wouldn't have a cookie that's had like anything taken out of it normally.

25:27I'd have to have a whole cookie. As opposed to half a cookie? As opposed to like if it's been broken in any way. So how do you feel about doughnuts? Is that tough? Because that's got a hole in it. No, but as in like, that's fine because that's meant to have a hole in it and it's smooth and it's round. But what if it was originally a cake and someone's put a hole in it? Then I would struggle. Oh, Christ. Yeah. So, yeah. This is just not true because you have no problem eating half-eaten food. I know. No, but that's different. You literally eat anything that I've half-eaten. That's a different story.

25:54You're telling me if I had a cookie and I'd taken a bite out of it, you would suddenly not be able to eat it? If I were to take something fresh out of a pack or something and it was like disformed in any way, I'd be like. So, okay. So you'd like to be scrambled and you think that's what you'd be as well. I think I would probably be scrambled. Yeah. So we're all aligned here. I think I'd be scrambled. Maybe a bit of sriracha on me and a bit of pepper. I feel like people think I'm a crazy guy. And that wouldn't, so, but you wouldn't feel bad? No. Okay, well, thank God we got past it. Or an omelette.

26:33I'd like to be an omelette, a fluffy omelette. Because that's a sort of a happy egg. Well, you can chop it, pull it pepperoni, chuck it in. Right. That's how I'd have it. Pippa, if you, Pippa, if Sam was an egg, how would you cook him? And without feeling bad? Fried. You'd fry Sam? Okay. Yeah, like a builder's breakfast. So Sam would be your builder's breakfast. And would you, when we're saying fried, are we talking sort of in a rusty old pan? Yeah, you know when you fry an egg that little bit too long and it's got that weird like thin brown like film. Yeah, and the bottom of it becomes quite dense and then on top it's still a bit runny.

27:13Yeah, quite like crispy and then on top it's still got that sort of translucent white area around the yolk. But is it runny still? No. No, you've sort of made it just sort of soft. Yeah, the middle bit is like crumbly yellow. but around the yolk is like translucent and watery. You had me up until then. And if you were, if I was an egg, how would you cook me? I think you would be in like a tuna niçoise. So I'd be a hardball egg? Yeah, like all chopped in a salad. Yeah, okay. Excellent. So we're all agreed on hardball Pete. Yeah. Okay, wonderful. God, these, I love these questions. You made us feel great about that, Pippa, thank you so much.

27:51Well, God knows what I am. shit one that's just been laid by some ugly chicken or something stupid. You're not even a chicken egg. You're like a... Yeah, here we go. Quail's egg that's like gone off and rotten. You're a pigeon's egg that has fucking fallen off Nelson's collar. You are. You're a fermented egg. And splattered all over the floor. And then there's a stray cat just licking you up. Yeah, there we go. Shell and all. Best hacks to escape a hangover. You're an osher, Jed, because of your head.

28:24best hat to escape a hangover hacks I was going to say what the fuck wear a hat yeah what's your favourite hangover hat personally balaclava does me yeah best hack to escape a hangover to be honest with you sleep I think is the most important thing for me I'm not sure that's a hack that is a hack that's I love a sleep after a hangover do you not but you don't like a sleep in other areas of life no I do but I always feel I feel more hungover when I haven't had enough sleep alright so hacks then original Lucas Aid and lots of sugar in the mornings is a great hack and also I know they say hair with a dog but a cold Corona with a bit of fucking lime in it does make a difference but only when you're on holiday when you're on holiday beer o 'clock in the morning it does make a difference because you can just follow through but Lucas Aid original

29:15works that's why I'd say don't want to run and Frutellas don't want to run Frutellas And I'll tell you why fruit tellers, because they're so juicy that the sugar gets all into your saliva quicker, so it gets into your bloodstream. So sugar, because it's dehydration, sugar is a massive thing. So there's really good acts for you. Try and stay out. People like to soak it all up with stodgy shit. Going to make you feel bad. Going to get the shits. Don't do it. Sugar, first and foremost, and don't eat first thing. Full fat coke. Full fat coke, yeah, absolutely. Any kind of sugar intake makes a huge difference.

29:48Also, before bed, what's really good is if you use sea salt and put it in water, very similar, put the salts back in your body. A couple of teap-takes, it's awful, just down some salted water. As you can tell, Pete's had some form in this. Or just have a kip. Have a kip, have some sleep, and go for a run. Genuinely. I know that sounds rogue. I know it sounds rogue. Maybe throw up on that run if you need to. but I last year when I was in my party phase I used to go for a run and it used to really really help none of you are going to do that you're all going to take the Lucas aid and I can understand why best advice for not giving a fuck what people think Peter just don't best advice for not giving a fuck about what people think best advice well I do give a fuck so my thing would probably be go to Louise ask her why people give a fuck and then ask for some then listen through for four hours the bullet points she's made and the PowerPoint presentation or call Pete and be like why do people give a fuck and Pete goes don't care and then you're like okay fair listen we're all gonna fucking die

31:07you know what I mean from birth it's downhill well no you might have a good life yeah you can have a good life of course you can But at the end of the day, we're all going to end up in the same fucking place. Everyone makes mistakes regardless. Some points of your life are going to be worse than others, obviously. But if you concentrate too much on the bad and you concentrate too much on making other people happy, you forget who you are and you forget to make yourself happy. So basically, we're going to die. But that is the truth. Also, when you're in the eye of the storm, everything is always worse because you cannot see past the fucking rain and the wind and everything else because you are in the eye of the storm.

31:49But you know what follows rain? Sunshine. And rainbows. Yeah. And that's exactly it. Yeah. And I think that's the hardest thing. If you look one foot in front of you you don't see what's ahead. Fish and chip paper. What's that saying? Something about fish and chip. Yeah. Today's news. Today's news is tomorrow's fish and chip paper. My grandma used to say that to me. Yeah. But yeah, there's lots of things, but it's really difficult because it's different for everyone, isn't it? How to not give a fuck. And it depends really. It's working out what your priorities are and what you do give a fuck about.

32:23If you give a fuck about something, then it's fine. But giving a fuck what everyone else gives a fuck about. You spend your whole life giving a fuck about things that don't matter to you. So working out what you give a fuck about. And if you do wrong, admit it. If you react badly, admit it. Admit to your wrongs and don't worry about other people's. you can only react every action has a reaction

32:48any more sayings? yeah I'm just trying to think of you know do you know what like Mel Robbins says get up have a word with yourself in the mirror and say I don't give a fuck and then you'll be fine yeah thank you for listening to Staying Around the bonus episode with me Sam Thompson and the philosopher that is Peter James Jonathan Joseph Wicks We've had a wonderful time And enjoy the rest of your day Yep, from one souffle to a scrambled Let's get cracking Sorry, I shouldn't have ended like that That was selfish I can't do it to myself What do you mean? A wonderful day Come on, I've just laid it up for you

33:38I might build up Just come on, mate. Don't feather around me.

33:45Mate, I'm pecking your head. Let's do it. This has been a Staying Relevant production.

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