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2:04Welcome to Staying Relevant, the podcast hosted by two best friends. Me, Sam Thompson, and Peter James Jonathan Joseph Wicks. This is the bonus episode, and Pete is still not here. Now, if you listened to the previous main episode, it was with Jamie Leng. And I do urge you to go and watch it or listen to it if you haven't. It was really, really nice, actually. But Pete wasn't here then. He's not here now. Phone is off. Where could he be? One big show has started. I'm not saying anything. But it could be that he has gone to Australia. That's all I'm going to say. He's not talking to anyone. However, we are joined.

2:53I mean, I could do the whole fucking Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Sunday thing, but let's be honest with you, we all hate it. So now Pete's not here, we don't have to do it. I am joined on this pod by somebody who only a couple of weeks ago was getting chanted onto the stage in Birmingham. Pippa Morgan, everybody. Whoa. Listen to the cheer. Thank you. How does it feel to be sat in Pete's chair? Yeah, I don't know how he's going to react. Maybe he'll like watch this online and be like, what the fuck? You know Pete doesn't watch them. You might see the odd clip if I send it to him on WhatsApp directly.

3:33Prima, you're holding your iPad with two hands clutching. Mike's nice and close. Pete speaks quite quietly. So I'm trying to save Josh a job and speak nice and loud into the mic. I've wanted to have you on this pod for ages. Piffa got a real story to tell. What an honour. Enjoy this one. I know, terrified, excited. Why are you terrified? You produced it. We're reading your notes. True, true. I can cut out anything I want. Just buzzing thrilled to be here. First question, before we get started on to anything else. I don't know if anyone listening to this knows, we did a book tour and we are actually also Sunday Times bestsellers.

4:09We've only got to fucking done it, baby. We've got to done it. But we did a book tour and it was just phenomenal to get to meet everybody and get to like Hagen. And we're such a family. We've grown a real community. We've grown such an amazing sort of family around us. So we're so, so grateful for anyone who turned up to Manchester, Birmingham, the London signings. So thank you for that. But we were going to have someone on the stage at our live show in Birmingham. And it was 1 ,500 people in this theatre and they pulled out last minute. so we asked Josh and Pippa to host the Staying Relevant show at Birmingham.

4:54Pippa, how did you find it? I loved it. I thought it was so fun. Lots of wine consumed. You got a habit. Yeah, I did. My mum and dad were in the audience and they were like, oh, quite tipsy by the end. I was like, no, what? No, I thought it was so fun. It was really cool. Obviously not the original plan, but we made it work, I hope. One of my favourite things about Pippa walking onto that stage was the double fist that you gave. Because Pippa went, as she went on, she went, I'm going to do what you do. I'm just going to just go wild. I'm just going to jump around. And she fucking actually did.

5:28Everything she said was going to do to the point where it didn't look like you. Didn't feel like me. You did the double fist. You started doing one of these jigs as well. Then you realised the crowd didn't go wild. They went mild for that one, actually. That one was a brief stint. Yes, you stopped halfway through that. Yeah. But before we get on to sort of the more fun stuff, you were fucking marvellous. Both of you were, Josh and Pippa. You were absolutely brilliant. And you saved our fucking bacon on that show. You really, really did. But this is a fun podcast. We do have a team. And Pete got to do appraisals this time last year when I was in Unpacked, the sideshow of the jungle.

6:05Pete is now away, possibly doing the jungle. And you best believe I'm going to take my chance at this. so let's do it i want to do some appraising i want to be appraised pippa that's a praise i want to have a chat with you about all things sam thompson boss now pete's not here to fucking bully you all no comment give me some good stuff yeah well that's actually how full circle that he's now in the jungle you were in the jungle i feel like this comes out on the thursday so people will realize he's not in the jungle it's just a little prank we've all been playing um the press are actually going to think he's going out there?

6:39Yeah, I know. Because you know people turn up late? Yeah, two people. Yeah, so it might be... Maybe three. It could be three. Yeah. I feel like people will know, but just keep them guessing. Yeah, I feel quite well-placed to appraise you. All right, go on then. What have you fucking got? Wait, why do you feel well-placed? Just knowing you a while now, aren't I? I feel like I've known you a while and in that while, we've kind of squeezed like 10 years worth of friendship into that time. squeeze doesn't sound there's so many calls so many chats so many catch ups so many messages you know how many times do you say I call you a day?

7:16would be interesting to find out on average I'd say it's been every day since I met you Christmas day you've been with it through everything to be fair haven't you so you are okay you are don't say squeeze 10 years of friendship like we've had a lovely oh no squeezed is a good adjective verb the headlocks Yeah, less so. I wouldn't say they're part of, you know, the highlights, but they're there. I first met, so Pippa used to produce on radio, and I first met her and she turned up. If anyone, anyone who knows Pippa, she's a cynical bitch. Like, like really quite cynical. Not disagreeing. And she has a list of people she doesn't like.

7:57People get added to that list every fucking day. And like, and by the way, Pippa's the kind of Karen who will literally be like, so now we're actually doing it, I'm going to fucking appraise you. Pippa was the kind of person, because loads of people want to know what producer Pippa's actually like, right? Do they? Yes, they do. So, Pippa's the kind of person who if you piss you off, she goes, you're on my list. You're on my list. They're on my list. I don't say to their face. Your list is fucking massive. Adding to it every day. Adding to it every single day. Pippa turned up, though, as a catfish, because, not in looks, in terms of, you look lovely.

8:28Thank you. Very sweet. Thank you. I panicked there. Catfish and sweet. People turned up with this massive smile on her face and was like, oh my God, I'm just so excited to work here. Like, oh my God, this is going to be so amazing. And I was like, oh God, this girl's a bit full on happy. And then within five days, I think you were wearing a bucket hat as well. I'm always convinced. You can't just make up that people were wearing hats because I wasn't. Pretty sure you turned up in a bucket hat. Why would I turn up to a job interview in a bucket hat? Pretty sure you turned up in a bucket hat. and I was like god she's very like very very friendly and then within like three days I'll never forget the first time she kicked the door of the radio studio and went ugh tell you what I fucking hate and that was the moment I realised I was in a safe place with you it's the moment I knew I really liked her but I plucked her away from radio and here we fucking are so that's our backstory you've known me for a long time give me what you got okay these are more as like a boss okay Before we get too personal.

9:33Fucking all right. Pros first or cons? Pros first. No, cons first. No, pros first. Cons. Okay, cons first. Cons first. I mean, you've got the usual, like, eating all my food. I would say it's a con. I think you quite like it. I'd say it's a con. Yeah, but it's like bonding. Is it? I don't think we need to bond too much more. I think we do. I think I'm good with the level of bonded we're at. um the other things like i've written quite a bit of wind in the office often in close proximity he literally farted earlier and wafted it like at me and you do that like everyone all the time oh that's a con funnily i just know that's not going to get taken well people are going to hate that but yeah what do you do it thinking people are going to enjoy and like it you're like surprised at the reaction when people are like ugh that's like not good is that bad for staff?

10:29anyone in general really I don't think that's just like a staff thing I don't think anyone's like oh mate that was fucking great you know the girl the girl that I'm dating at the moment I do know her yeah I've met her exclusive what do you think? I think she's great I really like her I think I'm excited to see where it goes oh my god do you think it could last? yeah I don't see why not at all. Do you think we matched well? Yeah, I mean, I've met her once for like half an hour but so far so good in my opinion. Good. Do you think you're matched well? I think we are, yeah. Do you think you're going to last?

11:04I hope so. But she's not my girlfriend. Yeah. Yet. But, surely that's coming soon though. I haven't farted in front of her. How? I mean, that's why you're saving it all up when you get here because it's non-stop. I just think that, I just feel like that that's the moment you've got to ask them to be your girlfriend when you can pass wind in front of your partner I feel like that's when you're like okay now I can ask you out in that case Pete for your sake I hope he never asks because it's not a pleasant experience I'm just fucking nervous as a girl as a woman of the day you've called me that a few times now as a lady I think woman is fine as a lady yeah if if someone fartes yeah and you're dating them right but it's not that far in and they farted.

11:54They haven't meant to. It's not like they've been like, oh, have a smell of this. It's not malicious. It's not a malicious fart. It's not what I do to you. But it's just, but they have farted. Yeah. What are you doing? That's fine. Is it? I think so. If it's like, it depends kind of how they react after. How do you need them to react? I would need them to be like, oh, fuck, sorry. Like, oh, God. And then like laugh it off quite sweet. Like, I'm not going to like hammer you and break up with you because you've passed wind. Okay, great. it's perfect I'd be storing up honestly when I wake up in the morning I'm literally like oh my god it's painful yeah but you can't I don't think you could do it subtly and then just like calmly apologise afterwards and move on you would have you would literally do it and then be like we have another one like I just can't imagine a world in where you're like oh god I'm so embarrassed I'm so sorry like you're absolutely over the moon anytime you do it alright fine so passers wind a bit too much in the office okay yeah one to watch out for in relationships um it's gonna go terribly rarely in the studio but when you are I'll turn it into a small pro you do bring a good energy and I think you bring quite a good upbeat vibe that is hard to control and anchor at times as the producer but hey it's all part of the day job but yeah I think you know the Monday meetings is an elephant in the room no you don't need me at the fucking Monday meetings really it would be nice Well, you want me to bowl it, but Pete's got it covered.

13:22I'm just thinking... Got what covered? Pete's got the Monday meetings covered. Yeah, but what about which part? The fucking bits. Yeah. The bits and pieces. The clobber. The clobber. He's got the clobber covered. So much clobber to go over in those meetings that you would know all about. Yeah, you don't really read scripts. You don't really, like, follow plans or structure. All comes under cons for me. it's just a bit fly by the seat of your pants isn't it really I like that and do you know what you wouldn't be you if you did follow plans I fear exactly it just shaves literally years off my life years I think I've aged quite a bit in this job I think you've aged quite a lot as well physically just facially is that why you keep paying for treatments that's a pro No.

14:16That is, it is listed under pros. No, hang on. So you think I've aged? No, no. Not like that. I've only been here a year and a bit. I just, no. Do you think I've aged? Yes or no? But you said yes a minute ago. You've got grey hairs. I do have grey hairs. Fibber's 26 and has greys. Started at 24. That's when I first met you. Leave a, yeah, yeah. Funnily enough. Fuck me. All right. Okay, some more maybe pros. Yeah, thank you. Fuck me. There's not many. Dress is better now. pays for salmon sperm. We'll take it. And Josh told me that you sometimes give him his, your season ticket for Chelsea. Yeah.

14:57Is that it? Yeah. Really good guy. Always there for you. I said you bring like a good energy. Buys you an Apple Watch for your birthday. Yeah, he did buy me an Apple Watch. I got a Tupperware box from Pippa for my birthday. Which he re-gifted back to me for my birthday. That's a con, re-gifts things. Ungrateful. Rude. Do you know what's fucking lovely about Pippa is that she will pick up the phone whenever you pick up the phone whenever I need. Whenever I need. It's no, it's no. And it could be anything. Do you know what? That is one thing that I get asked so much is like, what is Sam calling you about?

15:34I don't fucking know. It could be anything. I could be going over the shower. It could be anything. It could be work related. I'd say like 30 % is work related. Yeah. God, I've got to add it all up now. 40 % is probably love life, relationship stuff, dating, girl opinions. That leaves us with another 30 % of just like miscellaneous cooking related inquiries kind of things. Like how do I reply to this message? What should we do about this? Or like new business ventures and ideas. Loads of them. We're going through a real phase of business ideas at the minute. We really are, aren't we? Yeah, I'm excited to see some of them take off.

16:15Do you know what? I feel like the appraisals are all well and good. Basically, I've just found out that I'm a better boss than Pete is what I'm sort of garnering from that. Yours, not mine. Can I ask you a couple of questions, please? Sure. Okay. So, Pippa was on student radio at Leeds. Could have gone to Cambridge. Could have been a real heavy-hitting lawyer. Yeah. And here you are at Stair Relent Productions. are you happy with how it's all turned out? Bear in mind, I'm being serious. Pippa could have gone to Cambridge. When you put it like that, yeah, that was a real interesting conversation with the parents.

16:54What was that? And explaining where I was going. What was that conversation like with your parents? So I worked in radio before and I think telling them I was going to a startup set up by Sam Thompson and Pete Wicks. They were like, have you met Pete? I was like, no, not yet. That was a whole thing in itself. No, I've been very lucky in that I have their full support in anything I do. And they were like, give it a year, see how it goes. And if not, then you've got enough experience behind you to do something else. It's a safety net. What was your first meeting with me and Pete like? It was more of a lunch.

17:29That is one thing about staying relevant productions is you will never have an actual meeting around a table in your life. Like I've never sat in a meeting with you guys. It's a lunch. It's a dinner. sometimes it's a breakfast we'll go somewhere and have like an unnecessary sort of four course meal like a thousand drink options and then we'll kind of just chat and then at the end it's like right so what should we do um or it's a outside with pete in the freezing cold i don't smoke it's just sort of watching him um or it's a few phone calls with you in my free time in the evening um but yeah no i obviously couldn't be happier couldn't be happier i love it it's not really a job is it to be honest like it's so much fun and i think the whole team feel the same that i hope that you come in and like it's so fun it's mental i wouldn't recommend working here if you like kind of routine any sort of structure well you know what on that note we got an email and this i think is for everybody in this room uh it says hey staying relevant team i hope this is the right email and you're all doing okay after last night this is after the birmingham show I just wanted to say thank you for such a brilliant night in Birmingham I came on my own but ended up chatting to two lovely women who were also flying solo and it honestly felt so easy and welcoming He built something really special and as Sam said it's not just a podcast it's a proper little community On my way out of the theatre a man I didn't know who and I'm certain had been at the show Hadn't, it's important that he hadn't been Who I'm certain hadn't been at the show tried to act like we were mates and offered to walk with me It was weird and I wasn't sure what to do luckily two people had been at your show they were carrying your books were walking it just ahead and when the guy asked if I was with them I said yes without thinking he backed off straight away I didn't even have to explain I just knew these two would have my back if I needed it it's really stuck with me it reminded me that the space you've created is more than just fun it's safe and in a world you can feel a bit shaky sometimes that means everything so thank you for the last for the warmth and for making the world feel like a bit kinder and safer you're doing such an amazing job all of you thank you so much that's from rachel and obviously that is so sweet and me and pete obviously read that and we're like that is absolutely beautiful but so everyone in this room and for everyone listening to the podcast it is it is so so lovely to hear that and thank you so much i feel like we built a really great fucking family and how does it feel though like for you that you just started it as like literally having a laugh with Pete and pissing him off in a room.

20:05When you read something like that, that must be really. Do you know what it's wild? We landed from Vegas, which by the way, fuck me. Josh doesn't drink. I think we lost him in Vegas. Pippa isn't really a sender, absolutely sent it, but those are stories for another time. When we landed from Vegas, we were fucking exhausted. and I was really ill, and Pete, you know what Pete's like, his social battery runs out after saying hello to two people on the street. So, you know, he was pretty dead as well. And talking to people may not always be the thing that you want to do when you're that tired. It was the best thing.

20:49It energised both of us so much. Those book signings and talking to people and hearing people's stories and hugging people, you realise how much people have to give and how much you want to receive from them in terms of energy and emotion. And it's fucking great. And it's like you hug them, but they're also hugging you in like, I know it sounds really lame, but like internally. And it's like every single one of them has been on the journey with you and you hope that you've been on the journey with them as well. And it's just fucking amazing. I had the Staying Relevant idea in the shower and Pete said no for a year.

21:22And now look, Pete is literally like, now he's not here, we can talk about it, Pete's like the star of the show. and like we put him like in a position where i don't even think pete realizes sometimes like how amazing he is on this oh my god you know what we can talk about pete without him being here and about without him getting weird like pete is like is pete on this show is the only reason the show works yeah you could i hope you don't you could get another sam you can't get another pete not only is he really self-reflective and really like really emotional actually in some ways and very very good at giving advice and he's been through a lot he's got some great life stories and he does so much for animals and people and he's such a good guy like that but the bits he doesn't like are the bits that everyone else is thinking but i don't think he realizes that so for example if i'm like if i would say what do you think about the sunrise term pretty or the jelly cat cafe Pete will sit there and think he's the only one on this earth that doesn't get it.

22:31What he doesn't understand is 90 % of people on this earth are actually Pete Wix's. I don't know about jelly cats, but yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And he doesn't know. And long may that fucking continue. Oh, he'll never lose it. Are you kidding? He'll never turn around and be like, fucking hell, get me to the fish and chip van. Like, he'll never, ever lose that. Do you think Pete enjoys doing this podcast? I think it's his absolute favourite thing he does. I know he sometimes says it's the dog show. And we all love the dog show. The dog show's great. But I think it's this. Do you think it's this?

23:03I think it's this. Do you think he walks in? Do you think he springs out of bed in the morning? No. How do you think Pete Wicks... No, I don't think he springs. Okay, go on. How do we think Pete Wicks gets out of bed? Kind of like roll. Kind of like a little roll. And I'm like... On his own? Yes. Yes. Like, very fucking hell. Another day. For some reason, I imagine there's slippers involved that he kind of slides his feet into. Yeah, he is a man. And like, he gets a rep of like, oh, out of a wheelie bin. But I think he's a man of like, the slight creature comfort. Oh, 100%. He's got under-eye bag masks.

23:44He'll have like lovely Egyptian cotton, I imagine. And like a feather duvet. And he'll roll into his... Oh, he's kind of still half closed, like stumbling around. Fuck me. Let's hope he never watches this. I kind of stumble through and then he'll like, just imagine a bit of water like splashed on the face. And then like. So he's done about three roars so far since he's woken up. Lots of porridge. I know, like I remember every time, I remember me and Josh talking to him about what he eats in the morning. And I was so shocked that he stands at like the hob and like stirs porridge in a pan. But he does.

24:21He does. What do you think he does? Coffee, f***ing bath, I'll have a bath, I'll have a bubble bath. What do you think he thinks about when he's stirring his porridge pot? Nothing. I think so often, and I don't mean this in like a he's stupid way, I just think so often his head is nothing. What, as in like when he's looking at a wall, for example? Yeah, I don't even mean it. Help me. I don't even mean that I think he's thick. I mean that I think he just sort of is blank up there for a bit while he does mundane tasks I don't think he's an overthinker put it that way when he does mundane tasks I think he I think I think you're right I think that's like his meditative state I think he's thinking about stirring the porridge yeah I think when Pete gets home he just goes into like a sort of stasis and just sort of like plugs himself into a wall yeah like it just goes like right okay I'm home and just like goes, and just sort of plugs in.

25:19What was that? Oh, a plug. Are you plugging in? And then like 7am comes, he goes, and he like comes out and goes, oh, here we go. But I don't ever, I don't ever expect, like there's, it's not a very relatable analogy, but it's like when I edit this podcast and the sound waves, like the waveforms on it, they go really high and you've got to try and get them all to a similar level because some will, often yours will peak very high and there'll be a lot of screaming and shouting. But Pete, I never expect as a human being to like peak too high. Like he'll always just be sort of bubbling along. Like for example, so Sunday Times bestseller, we'll just throw it in again.

25:55I got a call from the book agents to tell me that we'd made Sunday Times bestseller. And they very kindly were like, I'm not going to tell the boys yet because I want you to be able to tell them. And like, if you want to like film it, hopefully, you know, by the time this goes out, that will already be on social. And I kind of, I called chuckles, social chuckles. and I was like, all right, I'm going to call the boys. I'm going to tell them the news. And she was like, oh, what do you think Pete's going to say? And I was like, not much. But he was thrilled. He was absolutely thrilled. But it's like, oh, that's nice.

26:30I was like, we made Sunday Times bestseller. Woo! On the phone. I don't know why I went in with that energy. Yeah, you knew he was going to receive again. It's never going to be mirrored. And you kind of get it like, oh, that's nice. Yes, I'll bet it. And then you like, lose your fucking shit. But yeah, I don't ever imagine Pete to do anything with like much gusto. No, no, no, because it's your jobs to make him do it. That is one thing about working with Sam. Everything's my job. Everything that's scary is my job. You've got to do it, Pippa. You're the producer. You've got to make Pete do that.

27:01Oh, Pippa, this is fucking great. Now, look, these are questions that... Before we get onto the questions, you did miss a small bit off the end of that email. What was it? PS, the last minute host is exceptional. The boys made a great choice putting you on stage and we hope to see so much more of it. A flipping amazing evening. Snore. Thank you, Rachel. I've already given you your props for that. You were fucking great. So these are questions that I think you were going to ask us, Josh and Pippa. Yeah, at the book show. But these are questions that actually I think I would quite like to ask you.

27:35So, Pippa. See what I'm, you know what I said earlier about like following any sort of plan. Yeah, no, no. Fuck the plan, it's out the window. Carl's on the floor. right Pippa these questions I want to know and they these have to be fast-paced answers okay okay what were your first impressions of me and Pete you I sorry this isn't very fast-paced you I almost thought was too energetic to be real great and then one thing I will say about you is you are exactly you are exactly what you get but you have your kind of ADHD kind of mellow side to you that I think not a lot of people know about but is so lovely about you so I think that first impression was like well you're so high all the time and then as you get to know you a bit more you'll say you also have your stasis moments that are like so short and so brief and then he'll like spring out like a jack-in-the-box again so that was a nice discovery about it but no one really knows that about me no

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30:47But it's not like you, you're still, it's so hard to explain. you're still you and you're still like a hundred but you'll kind of be talking to sam and then i go oh and he's gone like he'll he'll sort of just slip sure that's one of the most annoying things actually not to get deep that's one of the most annoying things that people think about me where they're just like he's he's faking it he's fake because because he's i've seen him when he's not always that happy and go lucky and it's like yeah because i'm fucking not no i mean it's impossible and i would hate you if you were i would hate myself yeah but yes that's one of the things i get asked what gone like when we're around people that don't know you really well so say we're working with a brand or say we're working with something we'll get a lot of like is sam okay sam okay like checking you're not sad or something and i'm like he's he's so fine that's tough though man yeah because like that's one of the biggest bum out things is that like if you're not always at the place they have seen you before be at then everyone asks if you're okay and then the vibe comes down, you're like, no, no, I'm fine.

31:50I'm just like recharging or I'm just level. You have like a pressure to be that energy in the room all the time. And when you're not, you affect the whole energy in the room because everyone's confused. And everyone's confused. And then they think, oh, he's obviously just been faking it. And you're like, no, I just get excited. Mate, I just get excited. I'm so lucky to do the job that I do where I get excited more often than not. So for example, the jungle is a perfect example. Tiny Belly walks in. he's one of my fucking boxing idols. Marvin Humes walks in, one of my like boy band idols. I used to listen to him all the time.

32:24Like these guys, I'm going to be all over because like I just, I'm so excited to see them. When I get excited, I get happy and I get jumpy and I get huggy. I know. Yeah, exactly. It means I like you. It means that I feel really safe around you and it means that I feel really excited for what we're about to do. But there are times where I am just exactly the same as everyone else. But those times people go, I'll say this is the real him. And you're like, it made the pressure because then you get scared that people are going to think that you've just like faked your entire life. And you're like, God, fucking hell.

33:03So then you start masking, which is a whole nother thing. But yeah, that sucks. I hate when people do that. I'm just chilling. And I think it's such a, took me a while to get to know that about you because I I don't really have anyone in my life that has ADHD I've never really no one in my close friend groups ever had that you're probably the first friend I've had that does have that but you're quite good at explaining it and you're quite you're very open very upfront which is what helps a lot of other people and like again not to get too intense but the stuff you do helps a lot of people like you I knew you one-on-one so it's easy for you to explain it to me but the fact you also go out into that public space and talk about that and explain what that is like i've got a friend who started a new job a few months ago and she one of her like closest team members has adhd and because of like how you speak about it and what you say she was like oh but i get that that's this and this is this so i don't read that as wrong so that's really cool that you kind of get to alleviate that from some other people it's interesting that that's the first thing you thought as well it's the first thing everyone thinks yeah it's the first thing everyone thinks and you're like fuck i hope i'm letting down No, it's never letting anybody down.

34:10For you, I'm always going to see you, so it's fine. I'm not going to let you down. If someone you know you're probably not going to see again. You don't want them to walk away. You don't want them to walk away and be like, oh, he's just like a fucking standard dude. You're like, oh shit. It's like a pressure to be at 100. Because Pete is known for being so blunt. Pete could turn around and be like, hey Pete, and you go, fuck off. So cool to have built yourself that. Mate, it's such an easy. They can empire on just like, fuck off. Yeah, do you know what I mean? He can literally turn around to anyone and be like, oh, fuck off.

34:41And anytime he's nice, people go, oh my God, Pete's very nice. And it's like, oh, I've got a lovely guy. And then like, I'm out here in the trenches. Fighting for your life. Fucking fighting for my life. Being like, please like me, please like me. And then it must be so lovely just to be able to shuffle into a room and be like, you're like, fuckers. It's interesting though, because then first impression of Pete, as you just said was i went to a lunch i arrived with you to meet him yeah and i remember on my way there i was like oh i don't really know what to expect you don't really know what's gonna happen and you were like you will be so surprised at how he's the loveliest person in the world because i i'd never watched howie i had no real idea how caring he is no oh my god but both of you like after the book show josh and i both received like the kindest loveliest messages from you both and like i think a lot of people would expect that from you but from pete he literally like the whole team will be like a dad and he'll say to me like if you and your family ever need anything like i'm always the phone call away hence why i called him when i crashed my car which is fucking wild because i was in the car when she crashed i wasn't gonna call you was i you're right next to me you know i know but i could still handle it what on a phone call yeah i could still have done you were handling it i was terrified stood anyway um but yeah i think with pete my first impression was oh he's really fucking nice yeah and he's very gentle because i don't think many people would think to describe him as gentle he's a very gentle soul is so gentle yeah but a lot of these guys are the hard exterior are tony's the exact same yeah like a lot of the guys like me are actually just sort of like quite one-dimensional people like pete are onions they've got layers upon layers upon layers and i love cracking those people open how many layers deep Do you think you are?

36:25Me? Do you think you've got to Pete's core? Like, do you think - Oh yeah, 100%. I know exactly what's in the middle. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He doesn't even know that I'm - That you know. He has no idea that I'm swimming about in his - My swimmers are in his gooey centre. In the core. Yeah. I'm in his fucking core. And he doesn't know about it? No, not a clue. I've literally inserted myself into his core. And he has no idea. I'm in there. See, I think I have, but is it a year long? No, you're still miles off. Really? Yeah, don't even try. No, no, no. God, terrifying. Second question. What were our job interviews like?

37:00Do you remember them? With you, I never really had one. It just kind of knew you and then you were like, fancy coming and working with me. Can I ask you a question? Why do you not let me hire people with you anymore? Because when we hired Josh. Oh, so there's a fucking reason. So many reasons in that one interview. Fucking right. Because you weren't wearing trousers, because you were in a vest, because you microwaved a roast dinner halfway through when I was just left. I'd never met Josh before. You're like, one sec, pop off to the microwave, full roast dinner and a Tupperware, come back, eating the whole thing.

37:33You asked Josh if he was married is like your first question. I think that's a really important question to ask. I'm not sure that's even allowed. Yeah, I just basically, I just wanted to know that, you know. Okay, well, in short, I don't think hiring with you was an enjoyable experience. It's probably not one I would do again. Why? Fucking hell, all right, why not? Galena was great. You asked the question. Do you not remember Galena? Yeah, because I did it with Pete. No, I was there. Because I did the job interview with Pete. No, I was in the Galena. I was in the Galena interview. No, you walked into the Zoom and put me in a headlock and shouted, all right, fuckers.

38:00And then you left. And then I was so apologetic to Galena the whole time. And I texted her after, being like, I'm really sorry. It's not like that here. Little does she know it's exactly like that here. Every day. I still haven't put you in a headlock, Galena, have I? No, and it's not going to happen. Yeah, fine. Don't worry, Galena. Fine. By the way, I don't squeeze when I put them in a headlock. I just want everyone to know that. It's a very loose lock. You can still breathe. I couldn't gauge that on the Zoom. No. Couldn't gauge that on the Zoom. Couldn't tell the severity of it. But here she is.

38:28Producing. Producer Galena. No, I want to be in every single job interview moving forward, please. It's good because we're not hiring soon. Is me and Pete running the company anything like you thought it would be? No. Okay, why?

38:45Don't sigh. um because you kind of don't and pete pete is do you know what we're hitting a turning point me and pete where i'm getting like way more decision making power so anything listeners do like or that was me and anything you don't like was probably a pete decision great so i'm basically still cool i'll just go and fuck myself no it's cool no i was going to You have a good time. I am, so it's fine. If you didn't have these jobs, what would you do? I really wanted to be a dolphin trainer.

39:28Sorry, where did that come from? I'm going to get a load of animal rights people coming for me. I don't want to do that anymore and I don't do that. Why did you want to be a dolphin trainer? I just loved it. You like dolphins? Loved dolphins. I wanted to be a marine biologist for a bit. Give me a dolphin sound. Oh God, you've practiced. That's actually someone who's practiced. I wanted to be a marine biologist for ages. And then I saw some dolphin show when I was younger where they're like jumping and flying around. And I was like, that's a bit of me. So from dolphin trainer to podcast extraordinaire, Pippa fucking Morgan.

39:58Who's getting cancelled first from your Pete Wicks? It could go either way. It could. And do you know what? We'll all be fucked. Like if you get cancelled, I'm fucked. Why? Because who's going to do the pot? Maybe me.

40:16you would get cancelled for something you didn't even realise you would kind of just say something you didn't remotely mean offensively but you'd have just got your words muddled and you would have accidentally come out with something awful Pete would get cancelled

40:34Pete I think would punch a pap do you know what I mean I think he'd get in like a tussle he has got that layer of restraint you'd have to really really fuck him off or I think Pete would get cancelled if someone did something to his family or to any of us or to you then he would like gloves off he'd get cancelled yeah so basically what we're saying is Sam's an idiot Pete's just protective lovely what would it kind of take where's the line for you to fire me you couldn't get fired Josh couldn't get fired why what my boy Josh not a chance in hell there's no there's no line what if he literally took all the company's money out of the bank account and just left and you never heard from him.

41:14You'd still keep him in his role? No, obviously not, because he's done a runner at that point. So you'd fire him? He'd already fired himself. No, because he's still on the payroll. He's still on the payroll and he's still emailing. We just take him off the payroll, but he's fired himself. That's firing someone. No, because that's a terrible example. Like, obviously, if he's done something illegal, I feel like I couldn't fire any of you. I couldn't do it. No, I know. That's why I asked. No, I couldn't do it. I'd probably... What if you had to? Do you think you... Like, see, I asked you this the other day.

41:42On Made in Chelsea. Oh, for you, we fucking go. You're like, you love a bit of confrontation. And I get it. I know it's a show and you have to do it. But you're there like, what the fuck, mate? Like Jamie said earlier, when you have these fights. You just would never do that now. Like, I don't get that. Because there's no confrontation. There's nothing to be confrontational about. But there are opportunities in your life where I actively watch you avoid it. When? When? So many. When? People say things or like fuck you off and you'll just be like, oh, it doesn't matter. Or you'll call me after and be like, God, I'm so fucked off.

42:16But like in the moment you're like, oh, yeah. I'm just a bit of a flower. Well, who is this fucker on telly? He was a young maverick. But you were like well going for it. You're like so ballsy. Would you always be like that again? No, I'd be terrified. But I'm just so confused how, like, how did you do that? I don't know. Because you know what? Because reality TV is just different, isn't it? Like you've got producers in your ear and like, and you are just sitting there being like, you know, we've got to sort of like give your all. So you're just like, fuck it. I'm only here for one reason. And that's to, to argue with that person or to make up with that person or to hook up with that person or something like that.

42:52Like that's why I left Main Chelsea, by the way. The reason I left, I don't think I've ever even said this before. The reason I left Main Chelsea was because I had got to a point where I didn't want to cheat on anyone believe or not i didn't want to argue with anyone i didn't want to like be cheated on i didn't want to be involved in like drama that i wasn't actually caring about at all and i was like but it's a young person's game because when you're in your early 20s those things do matter to you gossip matters to you don't i know it or yeah well we still love a got a bunch of me but like but like those kind of things you know if someone's like on a night out on a tuesday like i wasn't going out i was like i left the show i left main chance at 26 and i was not going out midweek that's that's my age now and everyone was like partying and i was just like i'm just i'm i just couldn't do it anymore so that's why i left because i was like it's a young man's all women's game like that's why i sometimes look at people and i'm like how are you still there do you feel that about fame in general though like now you're a bit older not old just older yeah fucking hell um and you're in that kind of public space do you feel still similarly because like let's be real you've had a year in the press um you know in and out of it at times mainly in do you still feel that way like do you ever think like fuck me i'd just love to get out of that no press yes yeah but i love what i do i fucking love it now pete always takes pisses like so fucking let's be famous i don't love being famous yeah i still don't think we're famous no i know i genuinely don't like when we walk down the road and someone asks for a photo i get really awkward and bashful and i'm like i get i get very thankful i'm like oh my god thank Q4 and take a vote because it's fucking mental.

44:49Like, we're not Harry Styles. We are, and Pete is correct, two fucking idiots having a go at something that we don't even know if we're any good at. But I love the game. Like, I love the digital side of things. I love pissing Pete off and filming it. Like, the fact that that is a job, I've created a job out of annoying one of my friends. And like that actually can be a job. I love the work part of it so much because it's not work. Yeah. You're either like happiest doing your digital and making your like videos. I love making content. And doing stuff like that. Or you're happiest doing like this, the pod.

45:31Or like on telly and like actually presenting and hosting and like the career side of it. Or weirdly, which I don't know if many people would guess, you're literally happiest. Sofa, two cats. Sofa and two cats. And that's it. On that note, am I going to die alone? just me and two cats i hope not am i gonna be crazy cat dad no be honest no i know because because you know is that you know someone backs up a no and you're like no no no because i think you this is probably too much but i'm just answering your question whether it's in or out you always think someone else is just gonna you constantly think someone's gonna leave you or like not want to be with you you're always like but what if they don't want to but what if like go on a date and you'll be like oh yeah but what if they don't like me what if they're gonna not be with me what if they don't what if they're gonna leave but they but you read it so wrong and like from my perspective and any outsider's perspective it's like so mad to me that you always assume that that would be my answer as to why you probably think that that's really likely because you always think you're on the cusp of like someone's dancing like yeah like yeah but that's Because it's happened every time.

46:43Yeah, but it doesn't mean that. That happens to loads of people every time. I've never dumped anyone. I know. You know, I've only ever been dumped. Yes, I do know that. That's a bad stat, that is. I've only ever been dumped. It's not a great stat, but. Yeah. The run I'm on is fucking mental. Yeah, but now you think that's going to happen every time. And then naturally you now think I'll be on my own forever. But you absolutely won't. But if I was on my own forever, would you still talk to me? Yes, I would still talk to you. Could I come for Christmas around yours and Jack's? Sure. Yeah? Yeah. Well, we've done the phone call next time.

47:18We'll just do it in person. Okay, great. Cool, I'll see you there. Deal. All right. Is Pete going to die alone? No, I asked him. I asked him in Vegas. I was like, but do you actually think, do you actually think that? Do you actually think you'll be with someone or do you actually think you won't? And he was like, I really don't know. he was like I genuinely don't know if I will or I won't and I hope he doesn't mind me saying that because I've said it now well he said it on the pub but I don't think so he's got way too much love to give it's almost like he just doesn't quite know how yeah that's such a good point he has so much love to give and I think he shows it to us I like like he I trust you guys weirdly as much as I trust like my own family the both of you whose dad whose brother it's very obvious isn't it do i need to answer that one um use your brains i guess on that one um he's just got yeah he's got so much love to give and he gives it to people really easily when it's like in a platonic way and like a friendship like he shows you loads of love will show me loads of love he'll show all his friends loads of love will show his management it's everyone like as will you as will you with like pr and like everyone that we work with like the you guys the team surrounding you are so fucking great that make my job really easy like i love working with everyone around all of us because we need the help there's like seven of us doing this fucking thing in this little room and like you guys really luckily have built yourself such a little family around that supported this and you and he shows them all the love in the world and i think he just needs to figure out how to do that to someone in a relationship do you know what i think i think you're bang on the money really yeah bang on i think me and pete are quite similar in that sense i think we're both scared of being yeah of being hurt being not hurt but do you think that's what it is yeah it's the fear of abandonment fear of abandonment and he's gonna come back to this podcast and he's gonna be like you're in my fucking chair psychoanalyze yeah we both got the fear of abandonment and that's why and and that's why you're scared of overgiving because if you overgive it's the the pain you will feel if you get fucking sliced so you do it first which is a very bad trait than me and Pete I he might turn around but you just said you've never dumped anyone yeah I know because I've always been dumped that's why I've got the fear of abandonment I've got the fear of being fucking left I don't think you'll be left Pippa's psych so me and Pete are you going to be dads yeah well I find it so easy to write questions and things about Olive and Rose like genuinely I picked you as fathers super easily and I really want to try and aim to have kids at the same time that you have kids.

50:04When you have kids with Jack, can me and Pete be godfathers? Yeah, I think you actually maybe would be in the running. Oh my God, that's Jax. I haven't asked Jack yet, but. Yeah, fuck Jax, mate. It's like, there'd be no one who was fun as us. Oh my God, imagine taking Pippa's kid. I hope it's a boy. I hope it's a boy. Actually, no, I hope it's a girl. I hope it's a boy. No, but you're such a boy, mum. so I can use the name Kit. You're such a boy, mum. thank you I feel like I have two children in both of you but whilst I also feel like Pete's kind of like my dad and your brother at the same time it's a dysfunctional this episode has been for the real family that we got out there the real staying the relevances I can use actually because Pete's not fucking here it has been slightly different I used this is the main episode with Jamie but this one's been like an in-house real lovely I've really fucking enjoyed this in-depth look me and Pete's bosses Pippa is a producer and a person and we really hope you've enjoyed it something a little bit different and Pete is back next week don't worry don't go anywhere Pete's back yeah or listen to the main yeah or listen to the main one we really appreciate it and basically the reason we've done this is because the Jamie episode lasted so long we didn't have time to have been so people very kindly stepped into the sea I'm here for one more record and then after that I'm actually in Australia myself not going into the jungle again but oh oh or is he but thank you so much for listening we love you so much thank you for this bonus episode of love and I really do mean it me and Pete have full hearts after that book tour and after everything you've given us the O2 the the the trick award and the the number one sorry not the number one and the Sunday Time bestseller those three things are only down to you our listeners I love you so much I hope that you carry on listening to us because it is literally the thing that we love to do the most in the world I love you so much goodbye This has been a Staying Relevant production.

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