How to Heal Chronic Infections Naturally | Dr. Chris Motley

24:50So the kids that get cradle cap and they get the thick head, that's like a lot of fungus and mold. What I have found is skull cap, Chinese skull cap, is very gentle. And you can give a little higher amounts to even ladies that are pregnant or breastfeeding. and kids can take it too. So olive leaf, we have neem, we've got the Chinese skullcap, and even cat's claw. Those are my favorite. Yes, skullcap is an amazing herb. You know, skullcap is probably one of those top 10 anti-inflammatory herbs. Think of it more like maybe even something, of course, during pregnancy, you can have things like ginger.

25:19It's more related to and acts somewhat like that. It's anti-inflammatory, but also supports sleep. So typically, and when we think of that in Western medicine, it's a sleep aid and it's a natural anti-inflammatory, but again, it's gentle on the body. I love that you mentioned skullcap. I mean, that's one of the most, you know, in different cultures, different herbs are used for because of what grew there indigenously, right? So when you went to India, they would be using turmeric. We wouldn't have been doing turmeric in the United States, you know, thousands of years ago, you know, that we would have been doing other herbs, like probably rosemary to reduce inflammation instead, you know, over in the Middle East, they're probably using things like boswellic acid from frankincense.

25:56So I'm just saying, but in skullcap, this was used in Chinese medicine and in Asia as their tumor. This was one of their natural anti-inflammatory herbs, along with a lot of ginger as well. I mean, it's predominantly used in Asian medicine, but I love that you're bringing all this up. And then I'm using Tudka regularly. You know, the organ that I get most stressed in my body is my gallbladder. And I found if my bile is flowing well, my body does really well. And so I take Tudka. Anytime I'm doing a meal that has any amount of fats, probably more than 10 grams, I'm doing Tudka. And Tudka is basically taurine plus bile, right?

26:30So it's very similar to ox bile, but you've got the taurine there. It's actually found naturally in certain animals in their bile, like bears. Really? Is actually where so. What? So yeah, so this is used in an ancient form of medicine. They would actually go. So you know this in Chinese medicine. I mean, they used everything from tortoise shells to deer antler for, you know, stimulating, you know, yang energy and helping with erectile dysfunction in men. So, I mean, you know, so Chinese medicine would use all of these different even parts of animals, organ meats, glandulars. But they actually discovered they would use the bile of bear and certain other animals.

27:05And it's more than just bears, but there are other animals that have this unique bile that has taurine in there. And taurine is an amazing compound that's great for sleep, really critical for mitochondrial function, important for stimulating detoxification, your liver, your gallbladder. So again, but Tudka, we're going to see that growing in popularity because it's such an amazing compound. Yeah, I love it. I did not know they had it in the bear bile. I always feel that when a patient had like a high amount of mold or even a parasite, that gallbladder, it gets congested. And I love in Chinese medicine where they say the gallbladder is like a little bag where all this bile flows.

27:46And if you look at a picture of the gallbladder and the bile ducts from the gallbladder, it looks like a tree up into the liver. And what happens when I see is that those little branches get clogged up and they'll have a lot of caked up junk in the branches. and you need Tudka to help smooth it out. You need to get some like movement back in there because when people get their gallbladder taken out, they'll still come back and their liver levels will still be off even after their gallbladder. I still have some symptoms because the gallbladder is just the tail end. It's the stump. It's the little root of the bile duct.

28:18So there's still infection there. Tudka to me just helps stuff flow. So it's one of my favorites. It's great. Well, obviously one of the other big areas that infections will impact, and this is what we most think of as an organ system, but it's our immune system, right? And your immune system predominantly lives in the colon. It lives in the lungs. It lives in these areas. But I want to talk about how infections invade and impact the immune system and some things we can do there. So when you think about what pathogens most negatively affect, and this is hard because it's kind of like all of them.

28:50I mean, it's going to affect one thing. But let's kind of tie this to somebody is chronically get it coming down with the cold, the flu, the rundown constantly, where their entire immune system seems like it's devastated. Yes. What pathogens do you tend to see most impact the body that way? Top three that come to mind is when we're talking about immune system, I love, that's why I always go to the colon. I look at the small intestine, the colon, but I also see how it affects the lymphatic system. So when I look at immune system, I normally look at the big lymph nodes, your tonsils, your adenoids behind your nose, like that area where you have to suck up the snot, your tonsil area, your lymph in your neck, your thymus gland, your appendix.

29:38These are big issues because they'll get congested. So viral infections really love to get into lymph. They will infect lymphatic cells and that's how they hide. So Epstein-Barr virus, the cytomegalo, those type of virus. Number two would be a strep or staph. Those are some that hide in there. So it is unusually very alarming how much they do that. And then the third one, any type of Lyme or co-infections, they have been known to get into lymph areas and trick your body to have your lymphatic cells surround them because they're trying to protect it, but they will sit there and live and insist and go into a dormant state.

30:16So when we talk about immune system, those are the three that I first target out. And then whenever I try to like, just trying to move the immune system. I love using things like andrographis. Andrographis is really good at helping break down some astragalus. Anything that moves the lymph nodes, but those are my top three, brother. Like I love to go after that. Yeah. Well, you know, when I'm thinking about the immune system too, I'm also thinking about, of course, this isn't a, well, you know, uh, cancer. It's interesting. There've been so many practitioners over the years that have said cancer is like a virus.

30:45No, cancer is like a fungus. No, cancer is like a, You know, a parasite. And of course, it's its own thing, but you'll tend to find other infections in areas nearby, cancerous tumors, right? Yes, yes. And so when I think about the immune system and what to do for that, I totally agree with you, like strep, strep, and staph. And these are things that can linger in your body. It's not just when you come down with a strep throat. Strep can live in your body for years, longer. Yes, yes. And so that being said, the first thing that comes to mind for me is medicinal mushrooms, right? Everything from mitake to shiitake to reishi to cordyceps to turkey tail, maybe my favorite antiviral of all the mushrooms.

31:28And so I think that basically what you want to be doing is very similarly, if your immune system is down, you want to stimulate it almost like you do have a cancer. You want to do things that are going to boost up your immune system. because here's the most powerful thing I want to share with everybody is that a lot of these herbs, they don't necessarily heal you. Your body heals itself. Sometimes what your body needs is a change in terrain. It needs strengthening. It needs vitamins and minerals. So I think the more you can do things that are going to lift and strengthen your own system, so then your own cells can fight and kill things off.

32:02This is why, again, I think mushrooms are so fantastic. But that's the way that I think about it. And also where I think doing zinc, doing vitamin C, doing D, doing selenium, making sure that you're getting these vitamins and minerals that are immune supportive. Of course, that's critical. Love it. I love it. I think that one of the biggest keys that I've seen with my patients that their immune is really low. They'll have their vitamin D levels down to the 20s. And most of the time they'll say, well, it's in a decent range. You need to be up, like you've talked about this, like 70 to 80, maybe even 90 for some patients need to be that high to help their immune system.

32:34But 100 % agree. We're mostly deficient in zinc. If they do a consensus, most people are deficient in zinc, vitamin D, magnesium. So just getting the basic minerals in your body and just getting a good analysis, like through your clinic, get a basic analysis of where your vitamins and mineral levels are at. Yeah, you know, one of the things we do, and we do a really in-depth one at the Longevity Clinic here in Nashville, is we basically do intracellular testing. And you know what's so crazy is most people go and get blood work done. They may go to a company like, I don't know, some of the popular ones even online.

33:07and they're not testing for nutrients. You know what I'm saying? No, I mean, listen, let me, I mean, are you getting your magnesium and your zinc and your folate and your, are you getting all those? Most people are not, they don't know, or MMA, it's a type of vitamin B12, right? Really knowing where your B12 levels are, your copper. I mean, you know, copper too. That's a whole nother one that's so important for fighting parasites. So all that being said is this is something we do really advanced panels and looking at what's going on in your cell, Not just what vitamins are floating in your bloodstream.

33:38Most people don't even test for that, but also looking at, and there's a way to test it. It's called RBC magnesium or RBC zinc, where you can actually see how much of the nutrients in the red blood cell. So it's actually in the cell. Yeah. So there's more and more advanced testing today that people can do to actually tell where their levels are at. Yeah, yeah. And it's so, so important. But I bring all that up to say the biggest things I'm seeing deficiency in are zinc is number one, vitamin D number two. I mean, those are the two nutrients. And then probably magnesium number three. I mean, you mentioned those three, and those are the ones on blood panels that I see.

34:12Okay, those levels are too low. And then probably fourth is actually maybe surprisingly copper as being another big one there. Wow. And copper deficiency, I think there's even more research coming out, and there's been good research about copper. And I need to pay more attention to that too. Well, that's one I think that parasites will also kind of throw off, you know, and they'll destroy and impact iron as well. I mean, you know that, but it's... Wow. Like, do you, when, do, are there any things that you love to use for lymphatic, like any types of therapies? What do you like for lymphatic flow?

34:45Well, you know, I love some of the basics, like doing a mini trampoline and rebounder. You know, so when my mom had cancer, we decided to do everything we could to start moving her lymphatics and her qi. You know, in Chinese medicine, moving your qi and getting rid of stagnation, I mean, they will say in Chinese medicine, the root cause of cancer is a cheese stagnation and blood stagnation. So where your energy, your mitochondrial energy is not moving and your blood is not moving enough. And so my mom would do 10 minutes once to twice daily of a mini trampoline rebounder and then a lot of walking.

35:20And then she would even go and then get lymphatic drainage massage on a regular basis. And then of course, dry brushing that was used in Ayurvedic medicine and Gua Sha, those sorts of things. I mean, those are great too. So I love those from just a daily movement standpoint. Of course, Qigong is amazing in Chinese medicine in a very similar way. But in Qigong, it's almost like standing on a rebounder. I mean, part of what you're doing there, you're kind of going like, you're just kind of like shaking your whole body there when you're doing that type of ancient exercise. But yeah, getting the mini trampoline at home, I think that's such a fantastic way.

35:53And of course, there's a lot of herbs. What do you like for herbs and supplements and foods for moving the lymphatics? There's two that stay out to mind. I know there's so many. There's great formulas. I love one called Rubio. It's called Mangista. Mangista is a really good Ayurvedic herb, and they use it as a lymph tonic. So it's really known in that arena. And what it does, not only does it help nurture the lymph nodes, because really it's your muscle movement that moves the lymph, but it's been shown to go in there and actually clean out your lymph nodes and actually strengthen them. The next one, though, is like Chancapedra.

36:23We talked about it. It's like Stonebreaker. What I have found with individuals that have the lumpy lymph nodes, those areas get really, really congested. Not only can the chancopedra, it's a stonebreaker, clean up gallstones, kidney stones, even liver stones. It's been really working well for me to help with lymph congestion. Yeah. And I know in Chinese medicine, there's certain foods that they would recommend there as well and herbal teas. I think that—do you remember Hulda Clark? She had this old gallbladder cleanse. Yeah. And they would have you prep your body before that, but it was a lot of apples and lemons.

36:57And in Chinese medicine, I want to say one of the lymphatic, it's not an herb, but it was used as a form of medicine, was orange peel. And so they would do some orange peel to move the lymphatics. Lemon juice first thing in the morning with some water. And so I think those things, just kind of those daily protocols. You know, because that sour flavor, which is the flesh of the lemon or citrus fruit, is moving for the liver. But then you also have the peel, which is more of this kind of bitterness, almost a sweet bitterness. And I think that's also moving of the lymphatics. And so, you know, I think that doing the whole piece of citrus.

37:37Because, you know, every patient that triggers my brain because I've had patients that had such good lymphatic flow and every one of them did lemon juice or lemon peel in their morning tea every single day. So it totally works really well. Yeah, yeah. It's a great way to go. So that's what we're talking about. Of course, when we think about infections, we think about the immune system the most. You know, we talked about a lot of things here. Yeah, I just want to also mention that I am a big fan of a lot of the things you talked about earlier as well for supporting the immune system, like elderberry, echinacea.

38:08I mean, these are great herbs for supporting the immune system. We talked about the medicinal mushrooms. Basically, a lot of things that boost up your T-killer cells and your B-cells and those sort of things. But again, mushrooms are the top of the list. Even green tea would be high up there. Oh, yes. Like even green tea, what I found that whenever I have to help a patient, and a lot of people can't do green tea, I understand. But we didn't even talk about liver cleansing and gallbladder cleansing, along with immune boosting. One of the things that Chinese medicine books tell us, like give them green tea.

38:40And I have seen some people, their immune system functions so well at a good quality organic green tea. So I love green tea. Yeah, I agree. Yes, I do it every single morning. Like I make a green tea every morning. So yes. That's great. Well, I know you and I are big, big matcha fans. Big matcha fans. Anytime Chris and I are doing a speaking event or trip together, you know, our buddies tend to do coffee. Yeah. Right? But you and I are the ones getting our matcha. Our matchas. Yeah, we got to do the matcha. I'm half Asian. I have to do it. Come on. That's right. So I remember, so we were on this trip to New York, you know, we went with that.

39:08Chelsea came and then Stephanie and Isaac Meek. And I remember, you know, and I'm trying to think where Isaac was because I think you and I went. We went. And I know Steph was there. Did Chelsea go with us too? I thought she did, but I knew Isaac wasn't there. But anyways, we went to this great Chinese tea shop in New York City. This was probably in 2019. Yes. Because I actually remember we found out on the trip that Chelsea was pregnant, like at the very tail end, like the day we were leaving. Yes. And we had a great time just doing all the tea flights and doing all that together. Of course, when we were in London last year, we went with Will Cole, and we did our London tea time.

39:50and that was a great time. But, you know, I think, you know, there are so many benefits of just drinking tea. Of course, that's a practice of the English of taking time for your afternoon tea. It's a practice in Asia of drinking your daily tea. Yes. And we tend to be a little bit more coffee heavy here in the United States. Yeah. Now, I do want to give a warning. You know, I did a recent podcast episode on microplastics. Oh. And one of the top two sources of microplastics. Yes. Was in tea bags. Oh, my word. Now, because, and you'll see some of those tea bags. Yes. It's actually made of a plastic-like material.

40:23Now, of course, there's companies that are not doing that, but most of them are from the cheap brands that's plastic. So you're pouring this steeping hot water over these teabags, and you think you're drinking this healthy herb. Instead, you're basically drinking a credit card worth of microplastics when you are doing the conventional teabag. So if you are buying teabags, buy organic, trusted brands. There's a brand. There's a couple I really like. I like Traditional Medicinals. Oh, yes. I think that they've got a really good brand. And there's a couple others I like, too. Organic India. There's a few good ones out there.

41:00Traditional Medicinals. I've had some patients brought their boxes in just like, let me check that. And it's really done really well for them. I've never done the Organic India, though, or ever tried that one. I need to try that one. Well, I predominantly just use them for, they have a blend of Tulsi with Tumor Ginger. Yes. That I like. It relaxes you right down? Yeah. Oh, dude, I got to try it. I will. I will, man. All right, so we have two more organ systems I want to dive into. I want to dive into the reproductive system. Okay. And then I also want to get into the digestive system, right? The gut microbiome, maybe the most important system we'll talk about when it comes to infections.

41:31But when it comes to reproductive health, you know, there's a lot of women today and a lot of men where we've seen testosterone levels declining. We've seen progesterone lower for women. We've seen more estrogen-based breast cancer, just major reproductive issues over time. Now, of course, PCOS was renamed now to PMOS, but we are seeing a lot of people with reproductive health issues and major hormonal issues. What pathogens do you most see impact reproductive health? Usually with ovaries or the testes in men, there's a bit of combination. I see a lot of fungal yeast issues that are in those areas.

42:10and predominantly because, not to sound crass, but when individuals get, well, they'll say like jock itch or they'll get a reoccurring UTI or they'll have a vaginal yeast infection, at times they say, well, like got a smell down there and like, or if they work out and it's a heavy smell, that is yeast and fungus trying to come out of the system. And they've shown that there are high amounts of, you can get an oats test, an organic acid test. and they found that there can be high amounts of fungus that grow in those areas because it's a good food supply. There's a lot of blood flow down there. There's a lot of nutrients because your body's creating a lot of ATP.

42:48So I say yeast and fungus are a big, big concern. I often find though that there are certain bacteria that love to go down there too. Like we talked about SIBO. So I'm going to say like SIBO has been known to flush down and get captured in those areas too. And I don't try to harp on strep, but I find strep infections in the testes are a really big issue, and I would say parasites as well. Those are like top three that I've really found that really affect those areas. And you'll find evidence, if you have those reoccurring UTIs or yeast infections, men too, but these are the slight symptoms. If you have warm urine, like you have a warm urination quite a bit, or if you have itching down there, if you have tenderness on right above the pubic bone for women and even in the testes for men, you start to see that or any type of scaling or redness because I have patients that get rashes down there.

43:37For instance, even little boys, little kids, their parents will come in and they'll just say, hey, they're getting real red around their private ears. Are there some herbs or something of that? I say, go get them tested for a kidney infection. But they go into the reproductive system with all that to say. In embryology, when we grow, like in the Chinese medicine books, we read, when you are forming your kidneys, your prostate, and the reproductive organs of women, those are all made from the same they call cord in your body as you're creating. So as you're being formed in the womb. So anything that's affecting your urinary system is going right to the reproductive.

44:12So you have to be mindful of that. It's going to be there. Yeah. And this is where, I mean, there are a lot of women that deal with these chronic UTIs on a regular basis. And I see candida related there. I see, as your point, yeast, of course, being related there. And this is where, you know, I love cranberry extract. I think D-manos is a great supplement there. And then I think for men, you know, one, of course, across the board, we're mentioning herbs here, but you need to clean up your diet first. That's even more foundational than a lot of these herbals. Going higher protein, higher fiber, typically.

44:43if you have SIBO, you want to do more of a type of sun fiber or modified citrus pectin that doesn't ferment as much, but generally higher protein, high fiber, really nutrient-dense foods. If you have UTIs, and even for men in a similar way to reduce the oxidative stress, pomegranates, cranberries, blueberries, doing more of those types of berries and pomegranates are going to tend to be better for it. And then citrus fruits like lemon juice are going to be very cleansing and then steaming a lot of vegetables, doing those. But I would say organic lean meat, steamed vegetables, lots of berries and pomegranates.

45:21That's sort of the basis of the diet there for healing and fixing some of these issues. Yes, pomegranates. Oh, I'm not a big fan of pomegranates, but I do powdered pomegranate, like whenever you break it down and it really does help. I love, we talked about this before. I like Uva Ursi. Uva Ursi is a really good berry. It really does. If you grind it up, it really does well. So uva ursus, like UVA. For UTIs. UTIs. It's so good. And when you say D-manos, and whenever you have these infections, always remember that if you have chronic low back pain around the flanks, that's a big indicator. And also, one of the big key, too, is when you take that, and I like Chinese coptis.

46:01Chinese coptis is a really good herb that will clean it along with the D-manos. One thing to remember is if you ever feel like your mood's changing, too, when we talk about reproductive health. When people, when a lady has a cycle, of course it changes her hormones, but if you ever feel manic, like literally like, man, my head is fried. Anytime the ovaries, the kidneys, anytime those are affected by infection, they call it like a crazy brain. That's what some doctors call it when they get like a chronic infection of the urinary and the reproductive system. So anytime you have that, try these herbs that we just mentioned and the D-manos.

46:34These work really well. And Rashi, you told me about that one. I tried Rashi on some patient, the UTI, and it cleaned it up. So that's awesome, bro. It's great. All right. I want to hit on actually two more now. I do want to hit on cardiovascular health. Okay. And there's one in particular in my head that's very recent in terms of infections, and that's long COVID. People dealing with COVID still impacting the cardiovascular system. Has that been the main virus or pathogen you see impacting cardiovascular? Or is there one other that you might say is affecting the heart? I would say it's one of the major ones that is showing up is COVID.

47:06And with It's patients that have come in with their testing with the amount of proteins that are spiked that are in there and congealing around that area. The second one, I would think it's a little bit of a tie for me. It's because people get flu viruses so bad. I'm serious. Flu virus will get into the heart and will cause a lot of caking. And again, like any type of herpetic virus, but a lot of cytomegalovirus. So I say COVID will be at the top with a flu, maybe a cytomegalovirus. Epstein-Barr can be in there as well. One of the things that when they talk about caked up cardiovascular system is there are a few tinctures that have been shown to work pretty well.

47:39Even through some research, they're showing that it has venous flytrap tincture is very good. Because the venous flytrap juice actually breaks down flies, but they found that it actually helps break down a lot of protein structures on there. Well, and that's key because you mentioned this. You want to break down these spike proteins. This is why I'm a huge fan of natto kinase. Yes. for this. Probably my single favorite, of course, this is part of the natto dish in Japanese and Chinese medicine. But yeah, natto and natto kinase is an amazing thing. And I love combining that with turmeric and ginger together as a combination.

48:10But I think the more you can break down and support, and this is where also, if you think about things that are proteolytic enzymes, I mean, natto kinase acts as a proteolytic enzyme, but you also have bromelain and papion and a lot of these enzymes that are found in different tropical fruits like kiwi, which has actinidin, or we talked about bromelain from pineapple. That's where I really like doing those combinations and higher doses for treating long COVID. Exactly. I love when you take anything like from papaya. You've talked about ginger before. Ginger is really good at doing that. Ginger bean, yeah.

48:47Yeah, it will do that. And when you talk about nanokinase, I literally, brother, got, I had to get my blood drawn for like a life insurance policy. And I never had got tested for COVID. I never had it. But when I talk about blood thickness, I had a thermography as done. I got my blood drawn and I felt like thickness in my neck. I was like, dude, when I got my blood drawn, this felt weird. Like, I said, okay. So I went and got like thermography and I was lit up. I was all red right here. So get this. We talked about natokinase. So I did every day. I did natokinase morning and night because we talked about it.

49:20Yeah. And I started doing ginger and I did papaya. I did these ground up. I went back and got my blood drawn and it was the smoothest blood. I'm telling you, it was bright red. It wasn't dark. So I'm telling you that combo works. So you guys, kudos to you, brothers. Thank you so much. That's huge. Well, last system I want to talk about here in terms of infections invading is the gut microbiome. Oh, yes. Okay. So now, of course, the gut microbiome, it's connected to so many of these organs. We know that infections, of course, we know that there are hundreds, if not thousands of different types of bacteria in your gut.

49:55We know that there are probably the equal amount to double the amount of bacteria in our gut than cells in our body. So we are partly bacteria. I think back to the Bible about this, when God says we're made of the dust of the earth. We are so connected to the earth and microorganisms. So it's important that we keep these microorganisms balanced. So when you see the most chronic types of infections that cause imbalance of the gut microbiome, and of course, again, the gut microbiome is responsible for creating serotonin, for detoxifying, for creating nutrients, like fatty acids, like butyric acid.

50:33I mean, it does a lot. Yes. So which microbes are most creating havoc within the gut microbiome? I learned this a lot from you and Jordan Rubin. We talked about probiotics and the imbalance, but one of the biggest thing is competition. We usually have high amounts of mold that's in the gut system. We're talking about aspergillus. You're talking about those, you can even have yeast or candida yeast fungus type that are in there. Those are some of my top ones. If I'm going to the gut, I start to try to balance those out. You talked about H. pylori, but salmonella is very, and E. coli, I'm sorry, salmonella, E.

51:07coli, yeast, and fungus. So those are always in competition and they will create a lot of their own toxins, pooping a lot in your gut. And then at the very end of it, I would say if you have that area where it's just combined infection, parasites build up. And that could be anything from little like roundworms to even liver flukes. I'm saying that's a lot to say, but it's in there. Yeah, I think candida is what I see as probably, and all the ones you hit on are absolute, but I do think candida is maybe the biggest one that I see. in addition to probably second, I would say is maybe H. pylori. And then I would also say, what are your thoughts on blastocystis hominis?

51:45Man, you're jogging my brain. Yes, blastocystis hominis is something that when you randomly don't even look for it and then you get some kind of testing, like a GI map, it's in a lot of people, isn't it? Do you find that? So many. Well, yeah, we run GI maps in the clinic. Yes. And I would say along with, candida is probably number one, okay? And H. pylori is number two. But number three is this blastocystis hominis. And one of the crazy things was I had a patient that I thought I was doing really well. She's doing well, but she would keep having a reoccurring, not only colon infection, she'd get pain in the gut, but lung infections.

52:21And long story short, she had to go to like this disease center doctors here in town. And they were finding that and not only histoplasmosis and blastocystis all through. and they had to put her on a year-long medication just to kill it. It was so much in her body, though. Wow. Yes, man. I'm telling you. And what I like to do for blastocystis, I go for the big dogs. I like to use neem. I like to go neem. Chinese coptis we talk about. And one of my favorites, though, so you guys write that, and one's called noni, like mirinda. It's a dried fruit. It's the shell of the dried fruit, and it will make them detached.

52:56They do not like it. So those are my top three. That's amazing. Yeah, brother. I love it. And one of the great things is, is with almost any infection, you can use plant-based medicine. You know, you got the common cold, you can use oil of oregano, right? You can do a lot of these herbs we talked about, the echinacea, the elderberry, right? Doing the nutrients we talked about. So most people are most common when we think of infections, most aware of the common cold or the flu. But there are so many of these infections, mold, parasites, candida, that are negatively impacting people. And they think there's something else going on.

53:28But the reality is, is if you want to heal, you've got to find the root of what's going on and be able to address those conditions at its root. And a lot of these infections live in our different organ systems. And I know this is one of the things you're the world leader in, is being able to go and find where those infections are living and then go and prescribe the right herbs, the right diet, the right treatment plans for helping people heal at the root. So I want to say, Dr. Chris, thanks so much for coming on. I want to encourage everybody, check out Dr. Chris's podcast. It's the Ancient Health Podcast.

54:00You can look up Dr. Christopher Motley. Also follow him on social media. He's got a huge following on Instagram. He's posting a lot of different herbal and Chinese and natural medicine there as well. And Dr. Chris, I want to say thanks so much for coming on the show. And everybody, I want to say thank you so much for watching. Also, thank you for subscribing. It's the number one thing you could do to support the show. It allows me to bring on these amazing high-profile guests here like Dr. Chris. And also, if this episode resonated with you, think about one person that could greatly benefit from it.

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