Lisa Bevere: The Truth About Spiritual Attacks on Your Health (That the Church Isn’t Teaching)

24:42Josh Axe:Well, I'll go with you next year because actually I was looking for, I know Gabe went Lions. I almost went with them. Yeah, no, it was good. But I could tell that Jordan was in like a wrestling match. And afterwards, somebody said, he just didn't seem like himself. And I said, he is under a spiritual attack. And they said, you cannot fight spiritual warfare with intelligence. You know, he's writing, the book he's in the middle of writing right now, he wrote a book called We Who Wrestled with God, who wrote the Old Testament. This new book is on Jesus in the New Testament. So why wouldn't the enemy, like, I mean, just, I'm kind of like, look at your assignment and then understand what's going on and then close every door that you can.

25:25So first and foremost, people forget that the highest form of spiritual warfare is obedience. Like you can be, you can be praying all day long. You can fast for 40 days, but if you are disobedient, the enemy is laughing at you. So highest form of spiritual warfare is obedience. And then the other opportunity is humility. Humility. Like, I think we have this maybe an American machismo, like, hey, we're going to fight this. And God's like, I need you to submit yourself to God, resist the devil, and then he will flee. And so what we do is we get under the covenant of God. You know, we were in a situation, it's actually where the Bait of Satan book was birthed out of.

26:08We were in a situation where we felt like our lives, like we could be fired any moment. I had just had our second child. It was a nightmare. And it was a spiritual attack. It was a spiritual attack. And I remember I was praying and I was like, God, is it witchcraft? What is going on? Because, you know, no matter what, it felt like no matter what we did, we just kept hitting it. And there was lies. There was rumors. And God kept saying to us, don't defend yourself. don't defend yourself. John kept saying, they can't fire me. They didn't hire me. I'm like, I'm pretty sure they're going to fire you.

26:38I think they did. And so me, half Sicilian wife, was like, you come after me. That's one thing. You come after my husband, you're dead to me. And so I was like, I'm going after him. I'm going after him. So I get up and I'm praying and I'm walking around in our living room. We have absolutely no furniture. So I'm just walking in a circle. And all of a sudden I thought someone walked in the room. I thought I woke up John. and I opened my eyes and I'm telling you this. There was a 14 foot woman standing in our foyer. Well, we had like a two story house. It's like a 20 foot ceiling in the foyer. It looked like a hologram, but there was no holograms back then.

27:17Like, or if they were, it was like NASA using it or something. And she was standing there and it looked like a cross between Cleopatra and Amazon. on. And I remember seeing this and she was magnificent. She was strong, but she was angry. And I remember I heard it's a Jezebel spirit, Lisa, you are wrestling against a Jezebel spirit. And I was like, it's Jezebel. She hates repentance. She hates humility. She hates cooperation. She hates community. And so I was like, you know, praying all strong, go to bed, wake up the next morning. I'm like, what was I doing in my house? Because I had seen the discerning of spirits but now all of a sudden I had to say why why and next I thought well that I just kind of almost as a like offside comment I just said do I have any sympathy towards that spirit because she is magnificent because she is powerful but she is angry what and I heard renounce any sympathy you have towards that spirit and then I had made a list of all the bad things they were doing to my husband and I was going to go meet with the pastor.

28:28I was going to let him know how toxic it was. I was just going to tell him. I wasn't even working for them. I was just going to let him have it, you know, back off. My husband would have been fired, but I was going to do it. And God said, tear up your list. This is too big for you to handle. He said, you're going to have to let me do this one. And so I think there comes a place where you have, you, you humble yourself And then you say, all right, God, I've done this. I've done that. I've done this. And this is on you. You know, I'm resisting the devil and he must flee. And then it says, having done all to stand, stand therefore.

29:03And I think too many people, they start backing away. And, you know, it's crazy to me. We've got aliens now. We've got everything going on. So the spiritual realm is more and more making itself known. But just as the evil is, there is also the angelic. There is also the authority in the spirit. And I remember John and I were told something in the very beginning of our ministry. If you do not take your authority in the spirit, the enemy will take it from you and use it against you.

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30:42Josh Axe:day and age today where there's part of it is, I think, to all of the technical things that have sort of come about, but we're less spiritually sensitive and aware because we're so locked into our phones and these sort of things. I wanted to mention something, too, that I think is so important. I think that most people probably feel like, well, somebody has to be really, really holy in order to take part in spiritual warfare or do things spiritually or make a difference. And I want to say this, I've got my five-year-old right now. I'm curious if you ever do this to John. Maybe John does this to you, but I have a feeling you do it to him.

31:20Josh Axe:My wife reminds me daily that our five-year-old, my five-year-old daughter's just like me, because she is, I mean, she is constant. Like she will ask us stuff over and over and over again and debate until finally I'm like, okay, you know, and we don't always get, if it really matters, we don't give in, but with certain things, it's like, okay, I can't have her ask me this a 17th time okay daughter this is and you know Mark Batterson highlighted this I'm ever reading the story far before this but this this story about rabbi the Jonah the circle maker yeah and and so this is sort of like an ancient rabbinic story and so there was this there was a famine in the land for for for a pretty long time and and that the lead rabbi at the time went and prayed for God to rain and it didn't rain.

32:10Josh Axe:And then Rabbi Chone drew a circle, prayed it to rain, and it started raining. And this little girl came up and asked the lead rabbi, why when you prayed and it didn't pray, and Rabbi Chone, it rained. And he says to him, he said, you know, I'm the very sweet, kind little daughter. He's the, you know, bratty, drive you crazy, whatever daughter. But it's sort of that parable of just knocking, knocking. persistence yeah but but i think i think about like this how should i approach the lord as if like if my own daughter approached me or like what would make me say yes yeah in that same way and there's a level of daddy i need you can you help me i love you this persistence some of those qualities this is outside of your character i mean think about moses and it aligns with my will and abraham they all negotiated with god like would you kill the city sodom and gory if there was 50 okay not for 50 okay well what about just for 10 less what about 40 yeah you know all the way down because and they would say god you are a good god you take us out here and you kill us the egyptians are going to say you just brought all the israelites out to kill them you can't do that you know and so we i do believe that god wants us to ask and he wants us to ask persistent i mean you look at the most amazing prophet what does he do he calls for rain and he sends a servant.

33:35Nope, nothing. Do it again. Do it again. Do it again. And you're like, he cries out to God and he said, well, I see a cloud the size of a man's hand. And what does he do? Get ready. The rain is coming. I'd be like, okay, we need to keep rain. So there is something about a different spirit. And they talked about Joshua and Caleb having a different spirit where the majority of people don't have a different spirit, but they can. They can. They can change that. So 10 of the 12 spies, oh, there's giants. Oh, yeah, yeah, there's fruit in the land, but there's giants, and we're grasshoppers in their eyes.

34:12And we're, you know, this is, too, we're like, stop, stop, that's an evil report. And it wasn't about we're able, it's our God is well able.

34:22Josh Axe:And we've got to get to this place where it isn't like our government is well able or even our church is well. It's like our God is well able. You said something earlier. I think this is so important. Everything is spiritual. Everything. Everything. And so like if you are sitting there and you have this anxiousness or fear or depression, I think today a lot of Christians believe, well, that's just a biochemical imbalance in the body. That's spiritual. What did David do when he was depressed? people poured his heart out to god he said no he said soul oh why are you downcast put your hope in god so people will always be depressed when they put their hope in the wrong thing so when they make that exchange the hope isn't in getting married one day the hope isn't in finances the hope isn't a friendship it's not the hope is in god because that's the only place we can safely put our hope.

35:20And he spoke to his soul. And people were like, oh, that's new age. No. He said, like, we believe, therefore we speak. And I want your people to hear this. They can actually say, God, forgive me. I put my hope in this or that.

35:39Josh Axe:In a thyroid medication, in a statin drug. I want to put it in you. Show me how to make those adjustments. I mean, I'm so upset now that all these people that have been on antidepressants they're like oh yeah sorry guys that didn't even work you know like you were on that and it dulled you down yeah and you lost your ability to rightly divide you lost your ability to experience yeah you weren't depressed but you didn't experience joy yeah oh yeah you hid from pain but you did not you know i'm like what in the world i'm so glad they're reducing the number of advertisements for those things i have like And side effects might be suicide.

36:19Josh Axe:Can you imagine if there was advertisements on TV for just turn to Jesus as as many drug ads there are? Yeah. No, that would be wonderful. And, you know, and again, I think there is such a hunger for the word of God. But people also want the order of God. I think people are like, we want men to be men. And we want women to be women. And we want families to be valued. And we want families, our children to be safe. You know, it's crazy what is happening. I was just driving over here and one of my daughter-in-laws called me. She'd had a medical situation and she went to a hospital. And, you know, she was like, hey, I'm here for treatment.

37:01And the first question, they're like, so who are you attracted to sexually, men or women? And she was like, what?

37:08Josh Axe:That was the first question. Yes. Yes. I told her, you need to call them. You need to tell them you felt unsafe. Yeah. that you felt unheard. And I said, you know, I mean, I was mad and she has a really sweet voice. And I said, and if you aren't comfortable doing that, I will go in personally and I will do it for you. But I mean, if you do not advocate, if we do not continue to like say, hey, wait a minute, this is this, what are you doing? Why are you trying to make me question everything? I come in here for this. And then they said prescribed her all this stuff. And she said, I just didn't feel good about so she went to a second doctor and that doctor said i don't know why they said any of those things to you none of it was true wow and they were going to put her on all this boatload of antibiotics and all this other stuff that would have exasperated the problem other than fixed it and so we've had that now for a while and you know the the lady actually said to her oh you know she like almost in her conversation with my darlin cursed her reproductive health And so when she called me, I was like, I said, I come against that word and we bless your reproductive health.

38:22You know, and even right now, you know, so many young women are wrestling with miscarriage or they can't get pregnant. And yes, there's all the science behind it, but it is a spiritual attack against the children. And so what I'm trying to say is there is a God who supersedes what is in the water supply. There is a God who supersedes. We are not part of Egypt. We are part of Goshen. And there is a promise of God. And everywhere Jesus went, he actually did good, healed the sick, and cast out demons. Everywhere. He didn't say, now, if you're a Christian, I'll pray for you. Now, he did do that with the Jewish, like, hey, you're a Gentile.

39:04You're a dog. I'm not. But even when the people pressed him with faith, he responded with miraculous healing and the daughter was delivered. So I believe that you don't have to be perfect to do spiritual warfare. I believe you have to be in Christ because we also have this representation where they said, we're casting out demons in the name of the person that Paul said. And the demon said, Paul, I know Jesus, I know who are you? So we have to be under authority to have authority in the spirit. And yet it isn't about, you know, I don't believe, I've seen incredible demonic stuff in the Philippines.

39:43I've seen incredible demonic stuff in Indonesia. I've seen dark, dark stuff in Africa and other nations. The demonic forces here are much more subtle. They're just as deadly.

39:56Josh Axe:Yeah. Wow. Well, I think you and I shared some things with this, but I'd love for you to get super practical. Yeah. If we have a woman right now who their menopausal symptoms are just crashing them, you've got a man who's got terrible depression, you've got a woman who's struggling with infertility. What does it look like for them to go to God and act correctly in this spiritual warfare that you're talking about? Give us almost a step-by-step or what it should look like, what they should do. Well, I mean, first off, I feel like we have this example in the Bible of a woman with an issue of blood for 12 years.

40:3512 years. She said she'd spent everything and got no better. Yeah. And I feel like we have a culture right now where so many people, not just women, have spent everything. Yeah. Their time, their energy, their relationships, their family. They have disconnected or whatever it is. it has separated them from the things that bring community and health and life and love. And so this woman, she got to the place where she got restless. And I think you have to almost get to the place where you're like, enough is enough. It's this crazy promise even that we see to Esau when we see that, you know, all right, everything got given to Jacob, but his father says, Isaac says but when you grow restless you will throw his yoke off your shoulders and i think sometimes people they they are not frustrated enough so when this woman was like enough it said she pressed through a crowd and she said to herself if i can just but touch the hem of his garment i'll be made whole and there's too many people that are like if i just try another medication if i just he's the great physician.

41:49He's the one who made us. And that was something that was so connected. Like we can go from this thing to this thing, but ultimately we go to another creature. Let's go to our creator. Let's go to the one who made us, the one that actually can realign everything in our life. Let's press through and let's believe that if we touch him through faith, because we know that without faith it is impossible, but please God. And you think, well, what is faith? Is that name it and claim it. No, a faith is the substance of things hoped for. It actually, it's this intangible that brings everything into the tangible realm.

42:27When I say, God, I believe, I believe, I don't, I've wrestled for all this time, but I believe, then God's like, I respond. And so like, we just have to set it up where we are making this exchange. I've struggled, I've wrestled with this. And then we pray. We just say, God, I thank you that you are my healer. Forgive me for going to unfaithful streams. Forgive me for looking to man when you are the one. Do you remember there was kings? There were kings that instead of sending for the prophet, they would send for somebody else. And then God would say, if you would have sent. And then do what God tells you.

43:10We've got this Samaritan that comes. Is it Samaritan? I think it's Samaritan. Comes. Not the Samaritan, but he has leprosy. He's from somewhere. Okay, anyway, he has leprosy. He has a servant girl who is a Hebrew, and she said, there is a prophet, and if you go to the prophet, he can maybe heal your leprosy. And so he goes, and the prophet doesn't even come out to see him. And he's like, I thought he was going to come out. I thought he was going to wave something. I thought he was going to do something dramatic. He tells me to dip in the river seven times. That's ridiculous. We've got cleaner rivers at home.

43:44Josh Axe:And the person's like, what's it going to hurt? Just, you know. Exactly. Yeah. What's it going to hurt to address things spiritually in your household? What's it going to hurt to pray? What's it going to hurt to say, God, your word says in Psalm 139, bless the Lord, all my soul, bless the Lord, all my inmost being, bless his holy name, who forgives all my sins. We believe that. And heals all our diseases. It's not war. It's not. And then it says, redeems my life from destruction, renews my youth like the eagle. So he goes through all of this thing. And every promise of God for healing, for regeneration is in Psalm 139.

44:26I mean, I don't even know if you know this. This is going to be crazy. So I wrote a book years and years and years ago because I've been doing this for a long time and I was really frustrated because I thought hey this particular radio show I have me on and it'll be really good to promote the book and they're like no we're not gonna have her and I was like god I feel like I was a perfect fit for that and I was like pouting on my back porch and I hear the holy spirit say what will you let me do in your meetings I said well you can do whatever you want in my meetings and he said, I want to start healing women that have STIs.

45:03Of course, back then he said STDs. And I was like, wait, wait, what would that look like? What would that look like? I need everybody with herpes over here. Come up. Okay. People with HIV. I was like, I can't be calling out STDs, STIs, like from a church platform and he was like no don't do that send my word into their body and have them say be it unto me according to your word and i was like okay so i read psalm 139 i said i'm going to say something here i said none of us get what we deserve we all deserve judgment and we get mercy so there's like people will pray for people to have cancer but why are we not praying for people that have sexually transmitted diseases.

45:51Why are we not? Of course, it's an infection now, it's not a disease. But anyway, they call them STI. It's like, this is something that comes after the next generation. This is what makes people barren. I said, I'm going to believe God that I'm going to pray over you, Psalm 139, and you're going to say, be it unto me according to your word, and you'll be healed. And Dr. Axe, all of a sudden I started getting letters of women saying, I had an outbreak of herpes every single month before my menstrual cycle. I'm 100 % healed. And then what would happen? People would say, I was believing that if Lisa came into my church and prayed for this, I would be healed.

46:25I'm healed. I was raped by my uncle, and I got herpes, and now I'm healed. I mean, it was just... And so if we preach Jesus as healer, he's healer. If we just preach him as good teacher, that's all he is.

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47:53Josh Axe:you know one of the one of the reasons why uh i'm so grateful for you and john is when i was going through the biggest health battle of my life personally you guys were praying for me constantly your whole staff and team absolutely and you know i had to operate with a mind of with faith of knowing god is going to heal me in fact not just because the thing i had this lie creeping in my head well you can get maybe 50 better but never 100 and and i had to take every thought captive and say that doesn't align with the word of God. And, you know, if any moment where I was focusing on what did the doctor say, or what does it say when I read online in the medical journals, my outcome likely as any of those things, it was all bad.

48:36Josh Axe:And the only time I was filled with the right spirit was when I was focused on God, the great physician, the miracle worker who can do anything. The only time. And I remember too, when I was at my lowest points God would send these signs like I had three times where I was like feeling just sort of down and I looked up and saw a rainbow three times once was I was in my back being I was about to be flown to Florida because my I couldn't walk all this was happening and there's this little thing in the ambulance like a little ceiling and there was a rainbow there and so I saw that three times the other thing I was reading a book by Viktor Frankl and there is a woman who this is in a holocaust camp in a concentration camp and he said there was this woman there who she was probably gonna die any day and she had the most positive uplifting spirit i've ever seen and and he said what are you looking at and she said this this what like he like he's like everything is barren it's winter but there's one flower going growing on a tree and she said that flower is saying to me like i am life i'm eternal life and the craziest thing was or there's he said there's like one or two flowers on this tree and then the next day i'm getting like i'm doing pool therapy outside and there were there's a flower one flower growing on this bush and it was such an encouragement to me but if i wasn't looking if i wasn't acting with faith those things wouldn't have lifted my spirit in the way they did it was so incredibly powerful and i think for a lot of us we're not trained to or we're just not even conscious of looking for the thing we talk about the spiritual awareness it's just so so important how do people cultivate a greater level of spiritual awareness and hear this still small voice of God.

50:12Well, first and foremost, they put their phones down. I mean, I'm 100 % serious. Yeah, of course. You know, John and I are, I'm 65, John's 66. There was a day when we were 24 and 25 where we went out to breakfast with a man who was always talking about casting out demons. And I remember he said, John, I want you to bring your, I'd never met him. He was like, I want your, I want you and your wife to go to breakfast with me tomorrow. And I was working at that time where I'd flap Monday, come home on Friday. And I thought, oh, he's mad because I travel so much. We didn't have any children. And I thought, or he thinks I have a demon.

50:45This is going to be awful. This is going to be a terrible breakfast. I did not want to go. I was like, John, let's pray. Any demons I have, let's just take care of them right now. I don't want to do it at the restaurant. And so we show up. And this man was so terrifying, but I mean like like a gruff so tender he looked at John and I back then we were doing nothing we were involved in our local church but that's it he said I see the hand of God on the two of you so he said I'm going to tell you some things I've seen in the future the year was 1984 and he said I see a day coming where people's lives will be controlled by a box they hold in their hands and at the time we thought he was seen out for like a box wow yes he he said he said about seven or eight things and all of them have come true but then he said after that after that he said a revival is going to break out in this nation one more time and i mean it was everything he said i was kind of like i hope i die before this i mean it was like some of it was bad all All of it's happened.

51:52And in 1984, I don't even know if he lived to 1990. I don't know when, but he told us that. And John and I looked at each other in 2020 and we both said, do you remember what he said to us? And we were like, this is happening. People are in isolation and their lives are being controlled by a box they hold in their hands. And they've lost the ability to have this. They're just looking at this, and actually their posture, you know, people's posture is changing because of how much head-down time they spend on phones, on laptops, on iPads, instead of lifting up their eyes. And so there's something you and I both know of just putting down the phone and walking out into creation that connects us with the Creator.

52:45I mean, anytime God did something, okay, Abraham, get out of the tent, walk outside, count the stars. And there's always this moment where God's like, I'm going to have to reconnect you with creation. And that's not a New Age concept. That is God's concept. We are woven by God to have relationship with his creation. He gave us dominion, which we lost, and now we've got it back in the name of Jesus. And so many people, they're living in a small world, taking in all the wrong information, all the wrong imagery. And like we were talking about earlier, the algorithm that only feeds insecurity or your narrative that you've already decided.

53:31But it's not kingdom. It's not kingdom. And so people, number one, they need to put down their phone and they need to make margin for the Holy Spirit. I do believe that God wants to start speaking to people again in dreams and visions at night. But when you have put so much information into your brain through entertainment or through your phone or your laptop or whatever it is that's your distractor, your body, your brain is processing everything you put in while you're sleeping instead of God's spirit being able to speak to you in the night watches. My son Addison's been doing a lot of study that when you first wake up in the morning, one of the most powerful things you can do is just to say, I'm here.

54:19God, I'm here. Because there's something that happens as you're falling asleep and as you're waking up, it's kind of that time between times where you have a pause. and the worst thing you can do is pick up your phone. You have to, Holy Spirit, what are you saying? You might have a sense to pray for somebody. You might hear a worship song. You might hear a scripture. And that is the spirit of God. So the more you give attention to the things of the spirit, the more attuned you will be to the things of the spirit. People are aware of intense, intense evil, but they're not aware of the just not right.

54:56And we know the Word of God helps us rightly divide between what is good and what is evil. And there is good and evil. There is never a mix. And so you have to know, what is God here in this mix? Where have I—so if we can actually make room for the Holy Spirit, make room for worship. You know, part of the reason—I mean, I love my boys. I look back at my parenting, and I am in awe that my children turn out as good as— Because it just feels like a blur to me. And I do feel like I did a lot of times yelling. You know, just yelling, apologizing, threatening, and not doing. I mean, just all this stuff.

55:33My husband was traveling. So I am more aware of my failures. But one of the things I did do is I had worship music going on in our house. I constantly, my boys saw me praying a lot. We had worship music. We honored God. There was an atmosphere that honored the Holy Spirit.

55:52Josh Axe:Chelsea and I talked about this about a week or two ago. and we said, hey, what times in your life, what are the patterns of when you feel like you are the most spiritually connected to God in growth mode, essentially? And we both said there were two big things. One, we woke up in the morning and the first thing we did is spent time with God. And the second thing was the music we were listening to constantly. The two biggest things. Absolutely. And those are not hard. And those are available to everyone right now. I mean, if you're like, oh, I don't like to read, you've got audio Bibles. I mean, there's absolutely no excuse in the United States of America for not having some kind of connection with the Word of God on a daily basis.

56:36There's no excuse. I mean, John, my husband, like we're making dinner or we're listening to Scripture or we're listening to a podcast about, you know, something. Yeah. Like there's so much available. And then we're talking about it over the dinner table. We have conversations about the Word of God because guess what? It's alive. So it's never boring. It's alive. And you and I both have been Christians for a long time. I can read a passage that I maybe have read for 10 years and I see it different because it's alive, because I'm in a different place. So it speaks to me different because I'm different.

57:11Josh Axe:You know, there's been something that's happened the last quite a few years of sort of groups of people that have said, women should be doing this, women should be doing this, women should be doing this. And a church on Sunday, Darren Whitehead, went through Proverbs 31 and read the whole thing, went through the whole thing, and it was so good. Because it's like, well, here's the answer right here. And the reason I wanted to bring this up is one of the things you've done such a great job of, especially in the books you've written, is helping foster a correct identity in women. I think that there's, listen, I think men are just as confused.

57:47Josh Axe:maybe we'll talk about that next but I think for women in general there's a real sort of confusion about why do I matter what am I supposed to do what will actually make me happy yeah well I think actually like a man doesn't make women happy though for sure I mean I feel I feel like there's been a degrading and a diminishing of the value of the things that women actually bring so I I love wisdom. She opens her mouth with wisdom. She looks well to the ways of her household. People are like, oh my gosh, that's just being a slave. No. And she actually delegates. She buys a field and she plants it and she has a vineyard and she has a business.

58:29So anything, and sometimes you just can't do it all at the same season, but anything that God puts in her hand, she can do. But I will say the feminists started to tell women that they were prisoners of their husbands They were subjected. There was, and again, feminism would not have gained so much traction if the church had actually given women the value that God gives them. You know, like we have to, we have to realize that evil doesn't slip in unless we have let some open, open areas. And so feminism came in and said, if you want to be a powerful woman, you need to act like a man. You need to sexually behave like a man.

59:10You need to get a career. You need to do this thing. You need to not have children. I mean, all of this kind of stuff. And then women were like, yes. You know, okay, just last night. And I almost burst into tears. This woman said, I believe the lie that I could do it all, have it all, postpone everything. And by the time I ended up getting married, I was not able to have children.

59:40Josh Axe:Yeah, that's hard. And yeah, and she was like, I'm heartbroken. I would do anything to be able to go back. And what happens is we forget that there are some areas of life that are time tests. You only have that 10 years, maybe 20 years to have children, but you have your whole rest of your life to do career. You know, one thing I think that's very different about men and women is that, and you said this to a degree, is that I think men, it's like, even when you have kids, there's a lot of the same. Like my wife, we joke around sometimes, she's like, you can eat the same meal every day for three months and be fine with it.

1:00:17Josh Axe:I'm like, yeah. Like she wants to do a different meal, like different thing every different night, every whatever the week. But my point with that is I think that like, to your point, women are trying to do everything all at once when women, even hormonally, there's a cycle, there's seasons. I mean, there's so much more like this than men naturally hormonally. And the same is true in their lives. I think, I mean, that's a challenge because changing all the time, that's tough, but women are wired for it. Women's lives are way more punctuated by seasons than men because men can keep reproducing and women can't.

1:00:48So the right thing at the wrong time is the wrong thing for a woman. And so we have to know our seasons of our life and not resent the season that we're in thinking about the next season. So again, I think too many people put pressure to perform on certain things. And again, we've got so much confusion where men have been told that masculinity is toxic, and then we've got femininity is weakness. I mean, just all of the different lies where I think we need to all recalibrate ourselves according to the scripture. I don't believe the answer is women having no voice. I believe the answer is women having their voice.

1:01:32I don't believe the answer is for, you know, men to act like women and be more sensitive or whatever. I think men need to be valued for doing. Somebody was telling me this difference. They said, it's interesting. On Mother's Day, it's like, yay, mothers, you're heroes. And on Father's Day, it's do better. It's a little bit of do better.

1:01:54Josh Axe:I either feel like it's do better or it's actually not even really a holiday. Like, it doesn't even really exist. It's the honor. Yeah. You know, when I was working on the book, The Fight for a Female, I was taken back by this whole concept of patriarch, patriarch, patriarchy, you know, white patriarchy, American patriarchy. They kept using that word. And so I looked up the word patriarch in the Merriam-Webster dictionary. When I started writing, it said a man worthy of honor, an elder. Okay. When I went to double check it at the end of the manuscript, they had changed the meaning of the word they stripped it of all nobility all honor it just became the oldest person it was it was shocking to me because if you can control the language you control everything you know and so they're changing the language and you know some masculinity being toxic no it's not toxic are they toxic men yeah but there's toxic women so it's not that masculinity or femininity are inherently toxic it's that people outside of God you know we can be toxic well you know this is important so in this some of this came from my view of understanding these ancient forms of medicine Chinese medicine Ayurvedic Greek medicine all these ancient forms of medicine one of the things that they talk about and look at and by the way this is for Christians out there just hold on listen to me for a second so so Chinese medicine would use words like yin and yang I remember growing up like my mom was like anything from China's from is the devil but but but honestly it really it's really just a different language as I started digging in and Yang's the masculine yin's the feminine my point is this is that there are a lot of medical conditions that people will start to have because they're operating outside of the way they're supposed to operate the way that God created it and designed them in an example of this is like we'll see women get certain issues because their dad was so structured and so hard on them and maybe treated them like a boy that then they've sort of lost part of their femininity and that puts them at risk for certain hormonal issues you know there's a lot of examples like this I mean they actually believe that if you get breast cancer it's caused from one of two one you're over nurturing and you're in and so this comes from the idea of like the breasts are seen as two things for nurturing a child for sexual arousal and so on one side it's the end and the other is the yang and so one side is if you are constantly giving of yourself and you never get filled yourself that causes breast cancer and one and the other is if you're not in touch with your feminine side if you don't feel pursued and beautiful and protected and that's the other but my point is like this has been talked about for thousands of years that if you're not operating within God's design you're gonna be sick I don't think people realize how to your point everything spiritual yeah I believe that the single biggest reason why people are sick today is related to spiritual issues and connected to we call stress today but most of the time stress is exactly something you weren't created to carry yeah exactly not letting every single day be the new beginning of his mercy being new every morning carrying everything forward.

1:05:15And that's the thing is everybody, you know, I've just got to keep hustling. I just got to keep pressing. I just, and they're, they're caving. I mean, you and I read the scripture and it says in the last days, men's hearts, and that would even say women's hearts now will fail them because of what? Fear. And anytime there is a promise of God, you pretty much see what stands in between that answer and the person is a spirit of fear, you know and god has not given us the spirit of fear but of love power and a sound mind and so we need to walk in his authority and we need to walk in his love and his soundness of mind which means i have to renew my mind i'm telling you when i was going through menopause i had some kind of evil woman in my head saying walk over and punch her husband in the face i was like whoa whoa whoa who said that you know like i cannot do that i'm not i'm gonna have to renew my mind because i understand that my hormones are not what they used to be and my body is in the process it's like a transitional labor i wanted to leave during my first transitional labor i'm like let's go home this baby just i was being induced baby doesn't want to come and the nurse was like i think you're in transition and that is that time period the in between which is the most awkward time period where people say no i'm in a cave and remain a prisoner instead of becoming a warrior because the in-between is hard.

1:06:37Josh Axe:How do people build a strong identity? I mean, again, I think people are really yearning for it. They want to feel seen. They want to know that I matter, I'm significant. I think that's one of the biggest issues in all of identity is that people just feel their self-value, their self-worth is just at the bottom. Well, that's because they're comparing it constantly. But okay, so I went, John and I went to South Korea and we flew home. It was crazy. We did like, you know, carry on, carry on only really quick turnaround. John does jet lag. Well, I not so much. And I was trying to finish a manuscript and I fell asleep at my laptop.

1:07:17I woke up eight pages later to the letter T. I mean, I just, I just depressed and I was like, oh my gosh, you know, I'm just going to lay down. So I went to lay down. And as I was falling asleep, Dr. Axe, that in between time I heard, I do not love my children equally and I was like whoa wait God you have to love us all the same and I heard same means that one of you is replaceable equal means my love can be measured I don't love my children equally I love them uniquely and I was like what it's I jump up and I look up the word unique and it means without rival now this is the thing we have a God who is without rival he's the God most high, which would mean his children should not be rivals with one another.

1:08:06God loving you doesn't take it away from me. Me being a woman doesn't mean that God loves me less than he loves a man. So like we've gotten this whole world rivals and rival means to actually stand on opposite sides of the river. And the first rivalry we've ever seen is Satan saying, I will be like the most high. I will ascend. So there was a rivalry because he went from worship to admiration to familiarity with the things of God. And he began to imagine he could be his own God. So here's the thing about that. We have a God who is without rival, who loves us. He doesn't love us equally. He loves us uniquely.

1:08:53And yet we are trying to conform and not be the real us. And another thing I think is people think identity is performance. Well, you have children. You love those children. You would have defended them, fought for them before they did anything. Yeah. Before they did anything. No matter what, yeah. So identity never is attached to work or single or married. God never attaches identity to anything that can be taken from us. Identity is who I am to God. And so I discover who I am to God, which is daughter in his presence. When I pray, I never hear a wife of John Bevere, author, New York Times bestselling author.

1:09:38I never hear any of that. I never hear. I hear daughter. I hear daughter. Lisa. He calls me by name. It is not like, oh. So any of my value is not attached to whether I'm married, whether I'm in the ministry, whether I'm like by my friend, whatever it is, whether I'm popular or unpopular. He loves me because he loves me. And that is the anchor that each of us have to have. Because when we tie it to popularity, when we tie it to success, when we tie it to money, all those things, we can lose it.

1:10:12Josh Axe:You know, this ties into, I just want to mention, because obviously I talk a lot about natural medicine on the show and nutrition and whatnot. But, you know, when I have somebody, really every patient I've ever cared for, I create a very specific customized plan for them that's unique to them. I've never had a patient that's come in with the exact same blood work or the exact same situation. For me to give my best love to them, it takes me creating something very specific and unique in the way that I'm going to serve them. And God's the very same way in that, like, and here's the other thing, you know, I don't think people fully understand and grasp this like you and I have been blessed to, and that is God loves you.

1:10:52Josh Axe:He's constantly pursuing you. He's going after you. He wants nothing more than you to pursue him, to spend time with him. He wants you to be healed. He's trying to work everything out for your good right now. Right, right. And he wants to talk to you more than you want to hear from him. You know, John always talks about it in the terms of a radio broadcast. Like if you don't turn your radio on, it doesn't mean the radio is not broadcasting. If you are in between channels, it doesn't mean a signal is not going out. It means you're not tuned in. And too many of us are tuned into things that actually demean us and disconnected from the one who wants to actually redeem, restore, rescue.

1:11:33You know, I had a moment last night in a conversation where I had this beautiful young girl. I want to say she was like early 30s. and she said to me, you are my hope picture, and I said, why? And she said, well, your dad was an alcoholic. My dad was an alcoholic. Your parents were divorced and remarried. My parents were divorced and remarried, and they divorced again. She said, my mom had borderline personality disorder. And she said, but something happened where you have been able to be married, stay married. I've been married 43 years. Love my husband. Enjoy my husband. Enjoy him. enjoy not just survive him enjoy him more now than ever before and and and have sons who are doing parenting and marriage better and have grandkids that want to be with us sons that do life with us she said i watch you and she said i want to thank you for fighting for that but again it was because I fought in the spirit.

1:12:34I remember going way back. Now, before I had kids, before I ever got pregnant or anything, I could see there was curses and patterns on our lives. And I don't know if this is going to freak your audience out, so you can edit if it does, but I'd had a reoccurring nightmare for decades. And it went from like once a year to once a month to once a week to multiple times every single night. And in my dream, I would go from a place of safety and warmth. I would turn a corner i was always like going leaving my home going somewhere and i would enter a shadow zone and i could see the sunlight and i could see the shadow and i'd be trapped in the shadow and in the in the distance i would see darkness and in the darkness three figures would emerge and they would come walking towards me one was a skeleton one was uh partially decayed and one was newly dead and i would turn and even in my dream i'd be like i hate this dream and i would go to run and they would just steadily walk and somehow they would catch up to me.

1:13:35And in my dream, I would say, in the name of Jesus, stop. And they would still keep coming. And I'd say, you're dead. You can't hurt me. I would say all this stuff and it just kept coming. And in my dream, I would grab something, like a rock or something and throw it at them. And as soon as I crossed that barrier of trying to fight something in the spirit, in the natural, in my dream, they would do something like stab me or something. I would freak out. I'd like, like that. My husband, I'd be like, pray for me, pray for me. It was terrible. And a man sent me this cassette tape about the sins of the fathers and the patterns and all this kind of stuff.

1:14:11And at the time, John didn't believe in any of that. He was like, oh, you get born again, it's all done. I'm like, maybe for you, because you didn't come from crazy people. Maybe some of us need some deeper work. And I was like, I have a grandfather that was a serial adulterer, was on the Manhattan Project, was a 32nd degree mason i i was like we have we have yucky stuff we have my dad inside of the family gambino crime family i'm like there is stuff in my background you had nice parents that stayed married forever you know that was and then died that was it so i i remember i just said okay i'm going to i'm going to consecrate some time because i realized the choice i was making in And that moment was moving not just my life, but every life that would pass through me.

1:15:00And even having the potential, I never knew I'd be in the ministry doing what I do. But in that moment, I think I was 22 years of age. I was 22, maybe almost 23. And I went through and I renounced not only my sins, but the sins of my forefathers for all the attachments with astrology, with Ouija boards, with all of the different demonic things that knowing or unknowing that we did and i said i'm i'm going to be the beginning of a new generation of a thousand generations who love god and keep his commandment instead of living the legacy of a past an inheritance of sin and adultery and alcoholism i'm going to move forward into a future that is god honoring you know people people i always ask people why did god choose abraham he was his wife was barren he had no why pick abraham and in genesis 18 19 it said that god settled on abraham because he knew abraham would teach his children god's ways oh wow so god is always thinking generationally well what can i get through josh and so somebody out there that it's like, I just, you don't understand.

1:16:15You have a power with your choice to honor God, to actually see God honoring generations come through you. And we can be gatekeepers in the spirit, in our family. You know, we can say, I'm going to cry out for my family. I'm going to cry out for our nation. I'm going to cry out for our city. You know, so often Christians get so caught up. And again, I'm not against politics. I'm not against voting or anything like that. But they get so caught up in trying to turn the wicked from their wicked ways that they forget to turn from their own wicked ways. And, you know, God says, if we will humble ourselves, if we will pray and turn from our own wicked ways, then he will hear from heaven and he will heal our land.

1:16:59And we need this land to be healed. And it starts with families.

1:17:05Josh Axe:You know, I think that something I used to hear more when I was younger, probably because I was in a Baptist church when I was very much younger. I was in the Catholic church. So I heard a lot more, you're a sinner, repent. And I don't hear that as much today. But my point is this. I think there was definitely more of a, in order for me to heal, in order for me to be my best, in order for me to be a righteous person, I need to repent regularly. Repent means that you turn 180. Exactly. You go the other way. And it doesn't mean you have a constant sin consciousness. Yeah. It means that you're like, hey, I've been thinking of this wrong.

1:17:39I've been looking at it wrong. I've been living wrong. I see Christ leading me in a different way, and I'm going to follow him. It don't have to be guilt and shame and I'm a sinner and get saved every single Sunday. Because that can work against it. Of course.

1:17:55Josh Axe:Yeah, no doubt about it. This has been amazing. You're the best. I think for so many people, they're dealing with things like childhood trauma, dealing with spiritual warfare, dealing with a major health battle and concern. And so these have been incredibly helpful for people, just being able to heal, experience breakthroughs. And, you know, one thing that's happened over the past, you know, this actually, this would go back to when we separated church and state. We also separated spirituality from science, all kinds of things. But there's been this separation of, hey, spiritual stuff's over here, health, physical, this stuff's over here.

1:18:38Josh Axe:But in reality, they're completely interwoven and intertwined. And our spiritual health has such a big impact, if you shared, on our physical health. And so if you are dealing with a physical health problem, maybe it's type 2 diabetes, maybe it's heart disease, maybe it's cancer, maybe it's a hormone issue, turn to Jesus first. Repent. Go through a process of having the elders, having people that are spiritually mature lay their hands on, pray for you, reframe your identity and who you are in Christ, and then pray with faith and believe that you're going to be made well and you will be made well.

1:19:16Josh Axe:And so we want to encourage you to do that today. I also want to encourage you to check out Lisa's books. She's written, how many books have you written, by the way? I think 14. 14 books. One of her newer books here is The Fight for Female. And it's a great book. So you can get this book. I know my wife loves Girls with Swords. You've got so many great books. Linus Arising. They're all pretty violent, but yes, because I know we're in a war. Yes, it's so good. So I want to encourage you. You can go to Amazon.com, bookstores nationwide. Just look Lisa Bevere. check out one of her books and and and and read them they'll bring such great value to your life they brought value to my life and Chelsea's life and and so we're so grateful for you and John we love that we're doing life with you guys also let people know Lisa's got amazing podcast make sure to check out her podcast as well and then is there a specific site or I know you're all over social media I mean Lisa we're org or messenger international they if they put in my name they should be able to find me amazing everybody thanks so much for tuning in here.

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1:20:42Josh Axe:So make sure to subscribe so you don't miss a single episode. Also, thanks so much for sharing this. There are millions of people that could benefit of knowing how do we practice spiritual warfare? How do we fight for what we want and God wants in the spirit realm? People need to know those truths as well. So thanks so much for Lisa coming on today. Thanks so much for tuning in and we'll see you on the next episode.

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