Supernatural Healing Is VERY REAL | Lee Strobel on Miracles Doctors Can’t Explain

25:59Have you ever had at least one experience in your life that you could only describe as being a miracle of God. 38 % said yes. Now, let's say 99 % of them are wrong. Let's say they think it's a miracle. It wasn't really, it was an extraordinary coincidence or whatever. So let's get rid of 99 % of them. That would still leave a million miracles just in the United States. That's pretty amazing. God is still in the miracle business today. Yeah. Wow. It's powerful. Yeah. You know, we've talked about angels a little bit. Yeah. Let's talk about demons. Yeah. So I, you know, one of the things that I have wondered or thought about is when you go back, even, I mean, really outside of the modern era.

26:45Yeah. Way, way more people believed in the spiritual realm. Oh, absolutely. I mean, it goes down through history. I have virtually every culture. Yeah. And when you look at even, even there's now it's what's interesting is there's a, there's a Bible verse where somebody was asked I forget if it's a rabbi and Jesus is part of the conversation. They're saying, what did he do wrong in order to have this illness? And Jesus said, he didn't do anything wrong. This is so God's name could be glorified. And so it's not always the case. But historically, if somebody was ill with a number of conditions, oftentimes there was a demonic influence over that person.

27:24And I know that I've actually seen where people have had something. And again, I would call it a spirit. Somebody else could say it's a negative emotion that's basically infiltrated that person and destroyed their life or destroyed an organ system. There are different emotions we know scientifically that make organs sick. For instance, if somebody lives in a state of fear for a long time, their adrenals produce all of this cortisol, all of this stress hormones, and they get adrenal burnout. It affects reproductive organs. So they literally build up disease and sickness in their organ when they have fear.

28:00Somebody could call it a spirit of fear that's on them in that way. Now, I think scientifically people sort of say, well, that's a neurochemical, cortisol, whatever. But what's your view on that? Well, I think it could very well be that these kind of things we call a spirit of fear or a spirit of anxiety or so forth could be something that is being fueled by demons. And certainly it would be Satan's desire to damage your health, to discourage you, to cause you to question whether God cares for you and so forth. So he's in the pain business. Yeah. And so would he fuel something like that? Yeah, I think he would.

28:38Yeah. Now, I think two mistakes are made. One is to deny that the demonic realm is real. The other one is to see a demon under every bush, you know. Oh, yeah. But it is a real phenomenon. In my book, I talk about a psychiatrist from New York who is highly respected. Richard Gallagher is his name. He, I have a quote from the former president of the American Psychiatric Association saying Richard Gallagher, educated at an Ivy League school, professor at some major quality universities, highest integrity, highest professionalism. This guy knows what he's doing. So very highly respected psychiatrist, which means he's a medical doctor as well as someone trained in psychology.

29:2925 years ago he and his wife had two cats and they got along great they were best buddies they slept together you know they loved each other until one night the cats began to try to kill each other it was it was an incredible scene they they're snarling each other clawing each other biting each other they're hissing each other they're attacking each other literally trying to kill each other and and richard and his wife had to separate them and put them into different rooms. And they thought, what in the world's going on? At 9 a.m., the doorbell rings. And it's a preset appointment from a Catholic priest.

30:03He was bringing by a woman to be examined psychiatrically by Dr. Gallagher as a woman who claimed that she was a high priestess of a satanic cult. Doorbell rings. Richard opens the door. This high priestess of a satanic cult looks up But him with a sneer and says, so how'd you like those cats last night? Wow. And Richard Gallagher has spent now 25 years involved with investigating the demonic, involved with exorcisms and so forth. He's a highly credible physician and psychiatrist. psychiatrist and he's documented cases where petite women who are possessed by a demon have picked up a 217 pound lutheran deacon and throw him across throw him across the room uh he has one case with eight eyewitnesses as someone who levitated off a bed for 30 minutes he has cases where people speak spontaneously in latin a language they don't know um uh he has cases of spontaneous bruising and claw marks on people.

31:06I mean, this is real. And we have to acknowledge that and that there is a satanic realm that is out to harm us. Now, the good news is the Bible says to Christians, if you tell Satan to flee, he will flee. Doesn't say might, says he will. So we shouldn't be that afraid of that realm before Christians because demons cannot possess a true Christian because a true Christian is indwelled by the Holy Spirit. And it can't both be indwelled by negative and positive at the same time. But they can hector us. They can go after us. They can try to discourage us. They can have these spirits of fear and so forth that are trying to hurt us.

31:47And we have to acknowledge that and beware of that because if we don't, we're not prepared. And the Bible says in Ephesians 6, put on the full armor of God, protect yourself. And And we have to take that seriously. There's a story I like that's about Charles Spurgeon, the famous pastor. And it said one night he was awoken because somebody was sitting at the end of his bed. And it was the devil. And he looked up and he just said, oh, it's only you. We're about to bet. I love that. Yeah. And it's just such a great story. Good. Because, you know, if your mindset is right, it's not something you have to fear.

32:21To your point, if you have the Holy Spirit, if you have Jesus, it's just immediately gone. and the scripture is clear about that. You know, I think back about when I've had certain people, you know, almost everybody that I take care of, part of their condition that they're suffering from, one contributing factor is negative emotions, childhood trauma, those sort of issues. And I'm even thinking about, I'm just going to use a family member, for example. I have a grandmother, she's 96 years old right now, but she has had um numerous times in her life where i really felt like there was sort of like this sort of you know demonic uh possession of her and and have you have you ever seen uh the movie lord of the rings yeah and there's there's that time where uh frodo is back um and meets bilbo again in rivendale and he's like can i see the ring one more time and also i remember watching the movie i was like their opening night because i was such a big yeah talking in lord and then And all of a sudden he goes like, I mean, remember he like reaches for the ring.

33:25And there's a sort of, and he has something come over him like this gray snarl. And I think a lot of us have probably experienced that in some time in our life where somebody snapped at us and had a really negative reaction. And I was bringing that up because she would do that oftentimes. And we really felt like that was a demon. That was a, you know, this spirit, some sort of spiritual thing that was causing that and feeding off of some sort of fear or negative thing that happened even in childhood. But I think most people, again, today, we've just so, so separated. Yeah. You know, we've scienced out.

34:02Yes. Kind of everything. But just because your cortisol is going up, why is it going up? Something is causing it to. Yeah. That's probably your spirit or soul or something that is unseen. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is very real stuff. I was doing a national radio show a couple of weeks ago and a Moody radio network. And a guy, Chris Fabry, he was in Phoenix and I'm in Houston and the studio is in Chicago. And a woman calls in from Florida, very rational woman, very nice woman. And she said, yeah, she said, I made a mistake when I was a young Christian. I didn't realize you shouldn't try to contact the dead.

34:40And so I tried to contact my great, great-grandfather who had died. And I realize now, Bible says don't do that. And she said it was interesting when I tried to do it, it's almost like there was static in the line. And there was almost a demonic presence. And as soon as she said that, I heard a growl. Like a, I can't hardly describe it. It's a growl. I got guttural. Wow. And I'm thinking to myself, okay, this is live radio. I'm going to ignore that. So we finished the show and I called the host and I said, did you hear that? Did, when, as soon as she said the word demonic, I hear this guttural growl.

35:22He said, yeah, I heard it. We called her back. Wasn't her, wasn't the studio, wasn't you, wasn't me. I don't know what it was. I actually have it on tape. Wow. Yeah. And, Um, uh, what was that? Uh, except perhaps a demon trying to sneak in and say, yeah, yeah, yeah. We are real. We are, you know, um, I don't know. I don't know. I'm just saying it was a weird experience. Yeah. You know, I, I, uh, I want to ask you about, um, people on their deathbed. Yeah. Before I do that, one other question. So I grew up at home. It was very Christian. My mom, you know, every morning was watching Joyce Meyer on Charles, Charles Stanley.

36:03and you know right and um it was awesome and so um and and this used to drive me a little crazy because i don't know why but my mom my mom was the mom that was like and now i appreciate it but when i was like in high school uh my mom would be like she always she was the mom that prays for a parking spot yeah you know all the time right i'm like mom like can you like pray for something more important like she's like god cares about every little thing now i'm like i i appreciate it because she was such an amazing prayerful mom. But I do think, but my mom was also like, everything is the devil, right?

36:38Like to a degree. And now I've studied a lot of Chinese medicine, Ayurvedic medicine, Greek medicine, biblical medicine too. And one thing that I realized is a lot of these forms of medicine, it's just a different language. So a lot of times people are intimidated by terms like yin and yang and chi and that's just chi is just atp and cellular energy and yin and yang is the feminine and the masculine it's what they talk about in genesis the night and day and the man and woman and so so but again it was sort of again that extreme of everything is however i would love to hear your thoughts on uh tarot cards yeah Ouija boards.

37:19I believe, again, I want to share mine, but I'd love to hear yours too. I believe that certain things, like if I have a rock on the shelf or a crystal for me, that would be, I mean, Chelsea and I in one of our homes, we like things of nature. Yeah. So if there was a beautiful rock or stone or like a crystal, like we would have that as artwork in our home because we tried to have, again, a lot of things that are natural because we're into natural stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And, but there were other things I know that I did something called, Neil Anderson had a book called The Bondage Breaker years ago.

37:48And I kind of went through, like, I just wanted to be just cleansed of any wrongdoing I've ever done is ask for forgiveness from God. So anything I'd ever done, and I don't think I've ever done a Ouija board or anything like that, but there was a number of things I prayed for forgiveness and just said, Lord, if I ever gave any demon, any foothold, I want to break that. So I do believe it, But what are your thoughts on some of these things? I'm very, I believe these things that you mentioned, tarot cards, Ouija boards, psychics, mediums, things like this, can be doorways to demons. Yeah. They definitely can.

38:23That's why the Bible tells us, stay away from mediums, stay away from psychics. Don't get involved with that stuff. And because it's dangerous, because it can lead you down a pathway that can open the door to demonic influence in your life. You know, I steer clear of all that stuff. You know, Candace Cameron Bray, she recently came out with a she was interviewed about something and they asked her and she said this. She said, I don't watch horror movies because I believe it's a gateway. And I've always felt this. That's interesting. I have never been comfortable. In fact, I can't like I do not watch horror movies because they're too real.

39:02Yeah. Or they're too uncomfortable. I mean, there's something about them. I remember one time in college going to see some horror movie. It was like Friday the 3rd or whatever, just because all these college kids were going. And I just left there feeling a sense of just darkness over me. It's palpable. It is palpable. Yeah. And this is probably going to be one of the most controversial parts of this episode, because so many people, they watch horror movies because they love the thrill and that feeling of adrenaline. But I believe there's a darkness there. Boy, you know, I'll be honest, that's the first time anybody's made that observation to me.

39:39And I think you're onto something. I really do. You know, so many of these films, and the only way I know about them is you see a commercial. Yeah. And, you know, unfortunately, they show these commercials during sporting events where you have little kids watching. Yeah. You know, you're watching the Super Bowl, and here's a horror movie promo. And it's like, I don't want that for my grandchild. You know what I do know? You know what more than half of the horror movies are about? Demons. Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, can that be a doorway? I think it could very well be. And especially if it creates curiosity among people to say, I want to know more about that in a positive way.

40:21In other words, can demons really help me do something that I want to accomplish? Yeah. Is that you hear people selling their soul to the devil for success in whatever profession they're in. Yeah. Making a deal with the devil, so to speak. It's interesting. Nobody's ever made that observation before. I think it's a really astute comment. And I'd like to give it more thought. But I think if I were Satan, would I love that kind of thing out there? Oh, yeah. I think so. Yeah. One thing about Satan that's interesting, I have a friend who wrote a book on spiritual warfare, and he said, you know, Satan is a fallen angel.

40:59Angels are not omnipresent. They're not everywhere at once. They're a spirit being, but they're in one place at once. And he said, you know what? Chances are Satan has never been in the same zip code as you have been in your whole life. That's interesting. Now, of course, demons can be because there's probably millions of demons. But I thought that was an interesting observation. Yeah, that's interesting. Especially when you think, you know, if Satan wanted to do maximum damage, is he going to hang out in Chattanooga, Tennessee? I think he's going to go maybe to a place like Hollywood. Yeah. And say, if I can dig in here, if I can get people laughing at fun movies that are subterraneanly teaching about premarital sex in a positive way or other sinful activity and presenting it in an entertaining way and people get sucked into it when we laugh, we're more open to new ideas.

41:54Don't you think Satan, if he's only in one place at one time, I think he's going to spend a lot of time in a place like Hollywood and try to influence an entire culture. Influencers. Influencers. People that have power and influence. Exactly. And it's so interesting to think about because when you look at, I think, people that tend to do some of the most evil in the world, there's no doubt that when you look at an area like Hollywood, the most powerful, wealthy people, there's more depravity there. I mean, it's just the reality. Yeah. I think that's true. And, you know, if I were Satan, I'd spend time there.

42:30I'd spend time in Washington, D.C. Yeah. There are certain places I'd be hanging out quite a bit, but he's also got his demons. And, you know, some interpretations say about a third of the angels fell when Satan fell. His name was Lucifer at the time. And if that's true, we're talking a lot of demons that are in the world and may Hector or come after any given person at any given time. The biggest protection we have, really the only protection we have, is to come to faith in Jesus. Yeah. That sort of immunizes us against the ultimate that a demon can do, which is to possess you. As a spirit, they crave physicality and they want to possess someone.

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44:30And I love that. Yeah, it's interesting. And as a doctor, you know this, that a lot of people will say, oh, you know, in ancient times, they couldn't distinguish between an illness or a psychiatric condition or a demon. And so can we really give credibility to this? But, you know, it's interesting. So many times in Scripture, it says Jesus went about healing the sick and casting out the demons. They saw the difference. He was doing both. He was healing the sick. They knew who was sick. And he was casting out the demons of those who were possessed. So they understood the difference. They did. Absolutely.

45:07One of the things I know that you've written about is people on their deathbed tending to have more of those supernatural visions and experiences. Tell me more about this. This is an emerging area. Tens of thousands of these cases have been studied. It is incredibly common. One team of researchers went to a huge hospice facility in New York State, and they said to the dying people there, if you have a vision, unlike anything you've ever had, would you please tell us? Because so many people are reluctant to say anything. They don't want to think I'm nuts or on too much medication. They don't want to say anything.

45:47So they gave them permission and asked them, would you tell us? 88 % of them had a pre-death vision. 88%. And I bet the other 12 may have had one, but died before they were able to tell anybody. These are incredibly common. One team of researchers studied 3 ,000 of these cases, and their conclusion was these are not hallucinations. They're not the product of an overactive imagination. They're not drug-induced. This is a different kind of phenomenon. And the commonality of them, the fact that they're so common tells me that there's something to this. In other words, if they only happened in a blue moon.

46:26Once, you know, hardly ever. A skeptic would say, well, you know, hundreds of millions of people die every once in a while you're going to have an anomaly. So it doesn't mean anything. No, we're seeing, I was having dinner with my wife and five other people in Oklahoma City recently. And we brought up this topic and of the people, seven people today, four of them had family members who had pre-death visions. It's incredibly common. Now, I'm a journalist trained in law. I'm always looking for corroboration. How do I know this? So here's the corroboration. In many of these documented cases, people who are on their deathbed right before that, and by the way, I'll add one thing real quick.

47:10This is biblical. In the book of Acts, Stephen, who's described as being full of the Holy Spirit, is just about to die. He's about to be stoned to death. He sees the heavens open up. He sees the Father and Son together. So there's a biblical precedent for this. But the corroboration we have is that in many cases, people on their deathbed will get a vision of the heaven to come, and they will see someone who they didn't know had already died. So, for an example, a very well-researched case of a woman named Doris. Doris was dying, and she sees the heavens open up. She sees angelic beings in heaven.

47:44She sees her father, who had died several years earlier, almost welcoming her. And then she gets this puzzled look on her face. And she said, wait a minute. Why is Vida with my father? Why would Vida be there? It makes no sense. Why would Vida be there? And then she died. Vida was her sister. She had died a couple of weeks earlier, but nobody had told Doris because she was sick and they didn't want the shock to kill her. So nobody told Doris, but when she's on her deathbed, she saw Doris. She saw Vida in the world to come. That to me is a form of corroboration. corroboration. It's funny because I told my wife, I do this research and I tell her about things I'm learning.

48:24She said, Lee, don't you remember what happened to my dad? I'd forgotten. Her dad died, golly, going back maybe 2000, early, probably 15 years ago or so. And he was on his deathbed. He was in hospice and she went to visit him. And she comes in and he's all agitated. He says, where's Marge? Where's Marge? And she said, dad, what do you mean? Where's Marge? Where's Marge? She was just here. She was telling me about heaven. Where's Marge? Where did she go? Well, Marge was his sister. She had died two days earlier. Nobody had told him yet that she had died. And yet he was having a conversation with her.

49:03So that's one form of corroboration. There's one other form that's very interesting. In Luke chapter 16, Jesus tells a story about a rich man who ignored the poor during his life, and he died and he went to torment. And a beggar who died at the same time and went to a place of bliss. But in verse 16, Jesus said, angels carried the beggar to the place of bliss, the bosom of Abraham. And what's very interesting is people who are about to die, often, one of the most common things is they see angels coming for them. For example, Charles Templeton, who was the most famous atheist in Canada, former pulpit partner, Billy Graham, lost his faith at a liberal seminary.

49:50Billy Graham's best friend wrote an ugly book called Farewell to God, My Reasons for Rejecting the Christian Faith. We became friends. I actually wrote a book called The Case for Faith, responding to all his objections in Christianity. But I interviewed him and got to know him. And he died a few years later. And before he died, we have reason to believe he came back to faith in Jesus. But then later on his deathbed, he calls out to his wife, Madeline. Madeline, what, Chuck? Can you see them? They're here. They're in this room. Chuck, what are you talking about? The angels, they're coming. Can you see?

50:27Oh, their singing is so beautiful. Their eyes are so beautiful. They're coming for him. I'm going to heaven. I'm going to be with the father. And he died. That is such a common occurrence. And one of the corroborations of that comes with children who die. A little child, five, six years old, their image of an angel is kind of a feathery creature with big wings, right? I mean, and so if a child was going to, through their imagination, imagine angels coming for them, they would probably look like that. They'd have big wings, right? Yeah. That's not what they see. And so I was looking at a doctoral dissertation about a case of a little girl who was dying.

51:13And she said to her mother, mother, mommy, mommy, can you see them? The angels, they're coming for me. They're here. Oh, they're so beautiful. Oh, listen to their singing. Oh, they're so wonderful. And her mother didn't want to disappoint her. So she said, oh, yeah, yeah. I see them. I see them. Look at their big wings. And the little girl said, oh, mommy, they don't have big wings. And she said, you don't have to lie. And she went on to describe them in vivid detail. I think if that were a product of her imagination, she would picture a cartoon character of an angel. That's not what she saw. The Bible doesn't say all angels have wings.

51:52And this is very common among children who are dying. So yeah, the pre-death vision is a real kind of a newer area of study. Well, it makes sense. I mean, you're sitting on that brink on that edge of life and death and the next, you know, what's next and the supernatural, you know, and, you know, I actually experienced something. So I had two grandparents, well, I've had four grandparents, but I had two in particular dying. And I really got to experience some of this. And one of them, when they were dying, and I don't know if they were a believer, we kind of doubt they were. And when they were their last few days before they totally passed, he kept saying, I see fire burning.

52:32I'm so hot, like constantly. And I had another one and I had a grandfather who lived to be 96. He was like a World War II veteran in the Navy, an amazing Christian man. I mean, he was like every week volunteered to like go to the hospital, bring somebody their favorite meal, pray for them. So I got to go with my, it was probably one of the most meaningful things I got to do is go to these hospitals with him while he prayed for people. And he just ministered to people all day long. And his was almost the exact opposite. It's beautiful. It's all the light. It's so bright. I mean, just, it was like this sort of night and day last few days on their, on their deathbed.

53:04And, and that's where we find, we find a certain percentage are people scared to death on their deathbed. They're, they're frightened, they're terrified. That's not that unusual. I was just talking to Michael Knowles. You know Michael? Yes. Yeah, he's great. And Michael said he had a grandparent, and just before she died, she was reaching up like this. And I said, that is so common, that they will reach up as if they're touching God and entering into another realm. And I think that's a wonderful gesture that uh that people on their deathbed often have oh yeah i love it yeah i love it you know i think i think one of the things that's so powerful about your book seeing the supernatural is i think it helps us better tap into being able to see better right the supernatural because i think if you're if you're going through your day believing that this is it and this is it this you know matter is all there is and after that's it you live one type of life.

54:04That's right. You know, there's a quote by C.S. Lewis, and he basically says, the people that do the most in this life are the people that think most about the next life. Yeah. And I think that's seeing the supernatural. You know, it's seeing, you know, and Jesus says, you know, don't store up for yourself treasures here on earth, right? You know, store up treasures in heaven. I think that mindset that you are sharing with people, the supernatural mindset impacts our lives so much more than we think. I think the thing that I think about with this is not just, hey, this is, you know, good for, I don't know, it's entertaining.

54:38To me, it's much more, no, this impacts your physical health. It impacts your forever, your entire future. It impacts your family. It impacts every moment of every day if you are walking with this sort of sense of the supernatural and eternal heart and mindset. So I love so much what you're doing. Tell us a little bit more about Seeing the Supernatural, your new book. Yeah, I mean, I look at things like near-death experiences, deathbed visions, documented miracles, personal experiences with God that are supernatural. What else? Lots of different areas. Oh, the mystical dreams that are happening among Muslims in close to me.

55:19Yeah, I was reading up on, it's like a lot of Muslims are seeing Jesus in their dreams. It's been estimated as many as a third of Muslims who become Christians have had a Jesus dream. Wow. And how this happened, and again, I'm after corroboration. Yeah. So I want to know, could this just be something in their subconscious? It's a dream after all. And no, it's not. How do we know? Well, first of all, a devout Muslim has no incentive to have a dream about God and Jesus Christ, especially, in a way that could lead them into apostasy, maybe a death sentence in some cultures. So they don't have an incentive to do this.

55:57But what happens in these things is they don't go to sleep, have a dream about Jesus, and wake up as a Christian. The dreams point them towards something external that corroborates this experience. So I'll give you an example. There's a woman named Noor. She had eight children, some Muslim, Cairo. She has a Jesus dream. Jesus is walking with her along a lakeshore. She is mesmerized by Jesus. She said, here he is. He's a man, and I don't feel shame that I'm in his presence for the first time in my life. I feel love. I feel grace. I feel kindness and goodness. And she's enthralled by Jesus. And she said, Jesus, why do you appear to me?

56:36I'm just a poor mother of eight children. Why do you appear to me? And Jesus said, my friend will explain to you why tomorrow. And she said, who's your friend? And Jesus points to a guy she didn't realize was walking with them along the lake. her. She was so mesmerized by Jesus. There was a guy walking with him. He said, my friend will tell you. She wakes up. The next day, she goes to a crowded marketplace in Cairo on Friday, chaotic. And she saves that man from her dreams. And she goes up to, you're the one. He says, whoa, what are you talking about? Same eyes, same glasses, same face, same clothes.

57:10You're the one. He said, wait a minute. Did you have a dream about Jesus last night? Yes. Turned out he was an underground church planter. Oh, wow. He wasn't going to go to the crowded marketplace in Cairo on Friday afternoon because it's so chaotic, but he felt like God had a mission for him. So he came that day. He took her aside, opened the Bible, and shared the gospel. That's how these things work. That's corroboration. It's not just something happened inside somebody's head. There's an external event that validates it. And these things are so common that you can pick up the newspaper sometimes in Cairo, and there'll be an ad.

57:47And the ad says, call this number and we'll tell you about the man in white you met in your dream last night. That's how common it is. It's so powerful. And I interviewed the world's leading expert on that in my book, Seeing the Supernatural. And he said, Lee, I could pick up the phone right now. I could call Kuwait. I could call Saudi Arabia. I could call Iran. I'll give you five more stories. This is breaking out all over the Middle East. That's amazing. It's amazing. Well, thanks so much, Lee, for coming on. And I just want to encourage everybody to check out his new book, Seeing the Supernatural.

58:15It's in bookstores nationwide, amazon.com. And I just want to encourage everybody to walk with that sense of the supernatural, walk with that sense of there's an eternity, because it will impact your life for the good in such a powerful way. And Lee, again, it's just been an honor having you on today. And we'd love to hear from you on YouTube. If you're watching on YouTube, let us know, have you ever had a supernatural experience? Have you ever known anyone who has. We'd love to hear from you as well. And just want to say thank you to all of you that are subscribed to the podcast. It's one of the greatest things you can do to support the channel and allow me to bring on amazing guests here like Lee.

58:52So thanks for subscribing. Also, there are so many people who are on the borderline of sort of doubting the supernatural. Maybe there are people that are so hungry for the spiritual today that this might be a great inspiration to them. So thanks so much for sharing this as well. And I'll see you next time on the Dr. Josh Axe Show.