The End Times Timeline Your Church Isn't Talking About | John Bevere

17:38Josh Axe:It's called qi. But basically today we'd call that cellular energy or ATP. But you know, one of the things that they would say, the ancients would say, fuel this all your cellular energy is having a purpose. Like having a sense of purpose and identity. I mean, listen, I believe food is incredibly important. And I think it's probably number two overall thing for our health, physical health. But I think the number one thing for our physical health is our mindset and our spiritual health. Because if somebody is dealing with shame and guilt and childhood trauma, that's linked to autoimmune disease and cancer and anxiety and all of these other conditions that pile up on the body.

18:17Josh Axe:So I think I'm, I'm believing we're going to continue to see more and more of a shift of this awareness of if I'm going to be physically unhealthy, the single greatest thing I can do is take care of my spiritual health. And so that's one of the reasons, again, I'm excited to talk today.

18:30John Bevere:And the only place you find true peace is in Jesus.

18:32Josh Axe:Yeah.

18:33John Bevere:I mean, I lay my head down, sleep at night. Lisa sometimes gets upset because within 30 seconds, I'm gone, right? I'm out. And it's because I don't carry burdens. I give them to him. And that time I spend in the morning is so important. The time that I spend with him, walking with him, I just offload anything. I mean, let me tell you something. When you have a ministry and we have given away like 65.5 million resources to pastors and leaders all over the world in 146 languages. The devil doesn't like that. So what I'm trying to say is we've had our fair share of attacks. We've had our fair share of times that I could be completely weighed down by pressure, by stress.

19:23John Bevere:There's been times CFO will come and say, John, if we don't have a miracle, we're going to... I said, just relax. Watch what God does. It's not my ministry. It's his. It's not your ministry. It's his. Watch. And every time he comes through, now I could have stressed about that. Oh my gosh, how am I going to make payroll? I got 50 families depending on us, right? No, I don't even care. I don't even worry about it because I give my care to him. I pray. The Bible says that. And if you look at what first Peter says, Peter writes this in chapter five, he said, humble yourself under the mighty hand of God that he may exalt you in due time.

20:02John Bevere:You know what the next statement is? Casting all your care on him because he cares for you. In other words, when you take on the care, that is a form of pride. You are saying, God, I've got this. I don't trust you with it. I'm going to take care of this by stressing, by worrying.

20:18Josh Axe:By trying to take control of things you can't control. Yeah.

20:22John Bevere:Yep. Instead of saying, God, I'm yours. You said you'd take care of me. You said all I had to do is pray about it. Now I'm leaving it with you. I have literally at times said, okay, Lord, if everything falls apart, it's not my fault, it's your fault. Now I'm not being irreverent because I have a deep fear of God, but I actually feel his pleasure when I have that kind of attitude because that attitude is not built out of me, my confidence. It's built out of trusting him that he will take care of me.

20:53Josh Axe:Yeah, I was gonna share. So I just, I had a, I have prayed more just recently over the past, let's call it 18 hours than I probably had for a year or two for quite a bit of time because my sister-in-law just had a baby today, midday today. And she had been pushing for like 48 hours. I mean, it was one of those things where she started at home and just fighting and fighting and fighting. She wanted to do a home birth. And sometimes this happens. People are really in the natural mouth. I know a lot of people who are, you know, functional medicine doctors or chiropractors, and they did everything they could to have a home birth and they weren't able to.

21:28Josh Axe:And so went to the hospital and she just was determined. And the heartbeat, they stopped hearing it a few times. And so, I mean, I was down on my, I came in the office this morning and, you know, and I'm like, you know what? I'm in the conference room. I'm on my face, you know, hands and knees, just Jesus rescue this baby. I pray that this baby can come out now and praise God it did, you know? And, but I, but I, my sister-in-law, Brooke, I mean, 99 % of people would have probably sort of in her situation, stopped pushing, give up. And she ended up having, you know, a natural birth there in the, in the hospital.

22:06Josh Axe:But all that, all that to say is, you know, one thing that I think a lot of times people don't maybe realize for some reason, I'd love for you to talk on this is that prayer matters.

22:16John Bevere:Yes, it does.

22:16Josh Axe:I mean, a lot of times, you know, I think we pray and we think, you know, is he hearing this? Does it make any difference at all? And I look back at my life, and if we really look, I'm like, wow, I prayed, God came through, wow. But I think sometimes it's really hard to know or feel like that's happening.

22:33John Bevere:I like to say that you pray until the peace comes. Sometimes you have to pray things through a little stronger because you're interceding for somebody else, right? And when it comes to things for us, I just go, Lord, this is your care. I give it to them and it's like I receive this in Jesus name when you're praying for somebody else you have to pray until you have a peace once you have the peace it's like my mom and dad I um my dad got saved at 79 my mom was in probably her 60s but I was saved for quite a while my mom actually didn't even invite me to my dad's retirement party because she was concerned I was going to witness to the guests I mean and you would have and and don't get me wrong I probably yeah uh she was giving my books away before she left this earth, you know, three years ago.

23:19But I was crying out to God for

23:23John Bevere:my parents' salvation, my siblings' salvation. I mean, my little sister was married by Wiccans, literally calling for the spirits of the North, the South, the East, and the West, right? In Scottish kilts and doing all this crazy demonic stuff. And my other sister was married by a new age witch who was a lesbian. And so, you know, I'm crying out to God for my family. And all of a sudden one day I got this complete peace. I was so burdened before, but I got this complete peace. And I thought, it's done. It's done. I didn't pray for my family anymore. I knew it was done. And sure enough, you know, my sister, they got married by the new age witch.

24:01John Bevere:When she turned 50, they diagnosed her with breast cancer. She called me crying. God heals her. My other sister, she gets in a car wreck, severs the nerve. Doctor goes, you're not going to have any feeling in these two fingers the rest of your life. She calls me at four in the morning crying, God heals her. Then my wife goes to her city shortly later, and she's the first one down to get saved. And I had had a piece on that a decade before. So you were right to stay on your face until you had a release. Now, the problem is people say the release for me comes when I actually heard the baby was born.

24:39John Bevere:You have to look inside. I had to look inside and went, I don't have a burden to pray for my parents anymore. It's just, it's done. And so no matter how my sisters behaved, how my parents were, I didn't care anymore because I was like, this has been prayed through.

24:57Josh Axe:Yeah. Yeah. There's something, you know, I think sometimes people get confused. I remember growing up, somebody sharing with me, like, you know, because in Christian speak, you hear a lot, I heard from God, right? And so, and today when people in our language, when you hear the word hear, you think, oh, this is, I heard something audibly versus there's this still small voice for me, like a conscience, right? That's happening. There's, to your point, there's feelings we get. There's also, you know, looking at signs and wonders. I mean, there's been so many times where I'm like, I'm prayed for something and all of a sudden I meet somebody and I can be like, oh, this is a random coincidence or no, this is a divine meeting.

25:34Josh Axe:God's setting this up. I'm gonna pay extra close attention here.

25:37John Bevere:Number one way God speaks to us is through the scripture. Yeah. But what about the person I'm supposed to marry? Well, of course you and I are married, but that's not found in chapter and verse. So the number one way he leads us is the inward peace. Colossians 3, 16 says, let the peace of Christ rule in your heart. And in the Amplified, it brings it out like this, let it rule in your heart as an umpire. So an umpire calls the shots. So when you have a piece about something, it's like Lisa and I, we were engaged. I mean, some people may really laugh at this, but I said, you know what, Lisa, I'm really in love with you.

26:16John Bevere:And we've been talking marriage, but we gotta know. So this is what we're gonna do. We were separate and I said, I wanna pray 30 minutes a day for 30 days. And if you feel any unrest, no peace, we're not gonna marry. If I feel any unrest, unpeace, we're not going to marry. After 30 days, I said, okay, did you pray? She said, yes. I said, I did too. Did you feel any unrest? Did you feel any kind of, she said, no. I said, I didn't either. We're getting married. Now, I proposed to her formally. It was a really beautiful night, but I was like, okay, this is done. We're to be, you're my wife. I'm your husband.

27:01Josh Axe:That's so good. It's so good. You know, I was talking about my sister-in-law giving birth. And, you know, one of the things that I think creeps up for so many people is a sense of there's fear, right? There's the fear of death. There's the fear of the unknown. There's a fear of all kinds of things. And, you know, the Bible speaks really clearly about fear. You know, what's interesting for you to share this, though, there's both the healthy fear and there's an unhealthy fear, right? and if you go back and read the Bible, what's talked about, and maybe you know this number, I don't, but I'll just share, I feel like it's close to equally, but the Bible talks about fearing God as much as it does loving God.

27:44John Bevere:I know it's 200 and sometimes the fear of God appears in the Bible.

27:47Josh Axe:Let me say this, it talks about both a lot.

27:49John Bevere:A lot.

27:50Josh Axe:And so talk to me about fear of God because I think we're in a world today where, especially in a Protestant church, where the word fear of God, I think a lot of Protestants would be like, well, yeah, I shouldn't fear God. That's not appropriate, right? But I think I see a lot of, we've had so many pastors fall, right? There's been so many of these issues happening. And a lot of it, I heard you preach a message on this that some of it might be coming from the lack of fear of God.

28:17John Bevere:Yes, without a doubt. Oh, wow. You just opened up a great, great can here. So let's talk about healthy fears. Because first of all, let's diffuse the thought that all fear is bad. The healthy fear of not being mauled by a mother grizzly bear will give me the wisdom to not mess with her cubs in front of her. That's a healthy fear. Yeah. All right. So the fear of the Lord is not unhealthy. It's actually very healthy. So the fear of the Lord, I would say, if you want to, what is, how do you define it? Because the Bible does talk over 200 times in the Bible about that we should fear God and the rewards are amazing.

29:01John Bevere:Like there's over 40 promises. I just read in my Bible reading this morning, the fear of the Lord prolongs life. It gives you a longer life. Yes, yeah. Okay, so there are other rewards. I could go on and on and on. The fear of the Lord, those who fear God will never lack any bread. I mean, I could go on and on and on. the fear of the lord if you want to give the first definition is not to be scared of god it's actually being terrified of being away from god see does that make sense i don't want to be away from him um i remember a minister who is one of the best known ministers on the planet who was sentenced to five years in prison asked me to come visit him and i asked him the question I said, when did you stop loving Jesus?

29:44John Bevere:And he said to me, I didn't. I said, hold on a minute. Like you committed adultery. This is known by public. You were doing all this illegal stuff that you're put in jail for for seven years. What do you mean you didn't stop? He said, John, I loved him all the way through it. And he saw confusion on my face. I was only 36 years old when he said it. He said, John, I didn't fear God. And he said, there are millions of Christians. They love Jesus. They do not fear God. So if you look at the love of God, the love of God keeps us from becoming legalistic and mean, spirited. The fear of God keeps us from becoming lawless, sinning, okay?

30:22John Bevere:The Bible says by the fear of the Lord, one departs from evil. It does not say by the love of God, one departs from evil. He loved Jesus deeply while he was in his seven years of, because he actually said to me when I walked into the prison, the visiting area, This is a federal penitentiary. He said, if I would have kept living the way I was living, I would have ended up in hell forever. Wow. He said, I was so wicked. And I could tell there was a great transformation. I mean, he said they were spending three hours a day reading scripture in the prison. Wow. Okay. So the fear of the Lord, if you look at Isaiah 11, 3, is what Jesus delighted in.

31:05John Bevere:Wow. Now, stop and think about it. If he delighted in the fear of the Lord, shouldn't we? Isaiah 33, 6 tells us the fear of the Lord is God's treasure. It actually says in another version, it is the key to the treasure house of God. Wow. If you look at what Paul writes in Philippians, he said, work out your salvation with fear and trembling, not love and kindness. Wow. In other words, we mature salvation through the holy, healthy fear of the Lord.

31:33Josh Axe:You know, I want to mention this. I had Michael Knowles on the podcast. You know, Michael Knowles. I love Michael. He's hilarious. He's so good. I think he's Sicilian too. Oh, yeah. Okay. So I love him. He's awesome. I felt so bad. Can I give you a funny story? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

31:49John Bevere:We were at Lila Rose's fundraiser for live action. Yeah. And she put us at the dinner table with Michael Niles. I had no idea who he was. So I was like, where do you live? Where do we go to church? Where do you fellowship? and he's like, you know, he was so kind because he could see I didn't know him from Adam, right?

32:09Josh Axe:Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's got just, I mean, if you're comparing him to like Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh, who are just very hard, fat, rugged, and he's kind of like the, you know, the warmer one. And so, but we had a great conversation because he's Catholic and I grew up with half my family Catholic, half Protestant. So we just talked a lot about kind of the differences there. But one of the things we talked about is, growing up for me, when I saw the Catholic side of my family, it was fear of the Lord. And some of it was really healthy, but there was the missing love. But then growing up in some Protestant churches, one I'm thinking about in particular is a Methodist church.

32:45Josh Axe:It was all love, absolutely no fear, none at all. And so I think it's so easy for Catholic churches or Protestant churches to get in a ditch of those things when it's like, you've got to have both. And I think, you know, I even think about, this makes me think of Genesis a little bit. Listen, you need to have night and day. You need to work hard. You need to rest. Like if you're missing one of those elements, you end up in a ditch. Yeah, yeah.

33:10John Bevere:I was raised Catholic. Oh, you were? Okay. I always say that I'm so grateful for my Catholic roots because it taught me two things, respect for authority and the fear of the Lord. Now I walked away from it because I got around people who were Protestant who weren't that way. Yeah. And it took an encounter with God that was profound in 1994 that caused me to awaken how important the fear of the Lord is. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. It's also the fountain of wisdom. It's the beginning of understanding. It's the beginning of knowing God intimately. Do you know that Psalm 25, verse 14, in the New Living Translation says, friendship with the Lord is reserved for those who fear him.

33:51John Bevere:If you look at Abraham, him. He feared God. God told him to go sacrifice his son. He didn't know why. It didn't make any sense. Isaac's supposed to be the one that promise comes through. And yet we read the next morning after God spoke to him, he was on his way to do it. The fear of the Lord means we put him and his word above everything and everyone else.

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35:26Josh Axe:Wow, I wanna share two things here, and I'd love for you to have the second one to share. So, you know, fear, when you look at medicine today, it drives one major thing in your body, and it's cortisol up. and that is the hormone that causes you to age. It is the single, it's your body's master hormone where when that hormone gets off, it's the domino. Insulin's off. Now estrogen, now testosterone, now thyroid hormones, it wrecks your entire body. And so fear is really, again, so closely tied to a fight or flight state. You're in this sympathetic state, you're in fight or flight, and it makes you sick if you live there all the time.

36:02Josh Axe:Now you want a little bit of that for alertness and activity and actually saving yourself. I mean, this is so biblical. It's like to save yourself from a threat and from danger, you have to have a level of fear. Right. But if it's too high and on all the time, it makes you sick. You know, so a very, you know, a very, very similar thing there. Now, one thing I know from, you know, busting out my concordance so much over the years is that the word fear, especially in Hebrew, it has such a deep, rich meaning. So there is a level of actual fear, like from a grizzly bear, but it also means other things, right?

36:38Josh Axe:Like reverence and respect and some of those other things too, right?

36:41John Bevere:Honor, awe, A-W-E, awe is a big part of it. Wonder, it is, you know, when you, okay, you look at Isaiah. He's the most godly man in all of Israel. He sees the throne room. God transports him out of his body to the throne room. He sees the massive seraphim. when he sees the Lord, he falls on his face and says, I, woe is me, I am completely undone, which means in our terminology, I'm coming apart at the scenes. So here he is groveling on the floor. And this is the most godly man in Israel. What happened? For the first time in his life, he realizes who this God is he's serving. The first time in his life, he realizes who I am before this holy God.

37:28John Bevere:If you look at Moses, he's the most godly man in his generation, but Hebrews tells us when God manifested, Moses quaked with fear. If you look at Job, God said about Job, there's not a more righteous man on the planet. Can you, I mean, if somebody says that Josh Axe is the most godly man in Franklin, Tennessee, you would be like, oh my gosh, what an honor, right? God says, this is the most godly man on the entire planet earth, Job. Job 44, God comes and Job says, I've heard about you by the hearing of the ear. my eye sees you, I abhor myself. What's happened? He just realizes who he is before this holy God.

38:07John Bevere:If you look at John the apostle, he's the closest disciple to Jesus, right? He's right next to him at the last supper. He puts his head on his chest, right? Jesus appears to him on the island of Patmos. He falls down like a dead man. We must remember who it is we're serving. The one who put the stars in the universe with his fingers and called everyone by name. The one who measured the universe with the span of his hand. He weighed every drop of earth in the palm of his hands. He has chosen to make us his sons and daughters. That's why John writes, what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us, that God Almighty would look at us that the angels go, what is mere mortals, and call us his sons and daughters.

38:52Josh Axe:Oh, what a salvation. It's amazing. It's amazing. You wrote an amazing book called The All of God. and I love that book. You know, it reminds me, there was a book I wrote by a guy named Abraham Joshua Heschel. I think it's called God's Search for Man or it's something like that. But the book is all about Judaism and the awe and wonder of God in terms of like, what is one of the first, like when you're talking about what is the first thing when it comes to relationship with God, it's this awe of wonder of sitting there like marveling and wow and on. I can't believe this is sort of Isaiah of the unraveling there.

39:30Josh Axe:And that's part of fear, right? You know, and I thought about it like this, like, you know, Chelsea and I actually had this conversation because we, my wife is so deep and so theological and philosophical too. And we were talking about a conversation came up at like a date night, like, should our kids fear us? And part of what I was sharing was, was yes, in a very specific way. a lot of what you talked about, well, you know, in terms of like, you want your kids to respect you or else, you know, they don't listen to you, right? If you don't respect someone, you don't listen to them. But there also should be a fear in the sense of knowing like, okay, for my daughters right now that are two and five, at least, like, I'm kind of like in control of their life, their success, all kinds of things.

40:15Josh Axe:And the same thing, like my relationship with God, there's a level of fear of knowing like you are the sole person for the most part. I mean, obviously I have free will, but you're the person that most determines whether I'm successful or I fail my entire future, my entire eternity. How could I not fear that person?

40:34John Bevere:It's a healthy fear. And I think a reason a lot of our kids have gone astray.

40:40Josh Axe:Well, by the way, this is also the reason why more people are flocking into the Catholic church for the first time and forever is because it got way too far over. And I truly believe it's that single factor. It's the lack of fear.

40:54John Bevere:Yeah, I looked at our children, we were raising them all for serving God. And Lisa and I said, look, we're your friends second. We're your parents first. And when we need to have that parent hat on, if you cross the line, you break the laws we've established for this household. You will be disciplined. So they carried a fear, a healthy fear. Yeah. And, you know, the writer of Hebrews actually says it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of judgment of the hands of a living God. Yeah. And, you know, that doesn't motivate us, it protects us.

41:39Josh Axe:Can I ask you this? Because I think this is interesting. When I went back and studied, I love going back and reading about the early saints and many of the preachers who were part of the founding of American things. When I go back and read about people like Jonathan Edwards as an example of this, their sermons were focused less on the love of God. Now that was woven in, but if you've ever heard a Jonathan Edwards sermon, it was - Sinners in the hands of an angry God. So I am interested, because here's what it's making me think of. Like if I'm at a place where, like if I want to create transformation in someone's life, okay, is it more effective, do you think, to help somebody reach the bottom and humble them?

42:24Josh Axe:Or do you think to make them feel great at first? Because here's the thing, like if somebody is saying, God loves you so much, you're amazing, he's got a plan for your life, that's motivating to me. But like if somebody's in a tough place in life, I think it's more motivating to bring you down because it's like if you're at the bottom, there's only one place to look that's up, right? I mean, that's when people see the greatest transformation when they're at the bottom.

42:46John Bevere:So - I'm curious, anyways, I - The apostle Jude writes, some save with compassion, others save with fear. Wow, okay. Alice Cooper is a friend of ours. Alice and Cheryl Cooper. Okay, you know, school's out forever. Oh, yeah, yeah. I remember when he called our office, our 22-year-old receptionist who was in the executive office she's hanging up the phone. She goes, I've heard everything now. A guy named Alice wants to meet John. And my assistant, who was 55 at the time, I was about, I was, it was in my early 50s. She was 55. She goes, Alice Cooper? And she goes, yeah, how did you know? She goes, give me his number, right?

43:22John Bevere:So anyway, he loves golf and he wanted to play golf with me because he knew I, you know, I like golf. So Lisa and I, before we played golf, we just so happened we were both in know why. We were ministering. They were just resting. And he asked to have dinner with us, he and Cheryl, and we had a three-hour dinner. And you know what he said to me? He said, I didn't get saved through the love of God. He said, now, I love Jesus with all my heart now. He said, I got saved by the fear of God. He said, I came home from a concert one night in 1992, and I knew I was going straight to hell and I was going to be judged by God.

43:59John Bevere:Wow. I started seeking diligently to find the truth. He said, I started going to churches and eventually I found a church that preached the truth to me. And so, you know, he and his wife still, you know, walk with Jesus and it was the fear of the Lord that brought him in.

44:18Josh Axe:And so, I mean, you know, it reminds me of this. So like in my, what makes a really good practitioner and physician, like I'm talking about the next level. So there's one level and then there's another level is when they can personalize something. Because a lot of doctors today are like, you know, one, a lot don't even recommend diet, but then some are like, everyone should be keto. Everyone should be carnivore. Everybody should be vegan. But the thing you gotta realize is when you're working on a patient, you're like, everyone is a unique individual. We've got to customize what this person needs.

44:47Josh Axe:And from what I'm hearing is, some people need to know about the love of God, and that's gonna be transformation. And for some people, they need to know the fear of God. Correct. And everybody to reach their optimum potential needs both.

44:59John Bevere:Now, eventually, because there are a lot of people that need to be won by the love of God, right? There's a lot of people that need to be won by the fear of God. But as they walk shortly after in their walk, they'll learn the other. So if you came in by the fear of God, just as Alice said, he said, now I love Jesus. If you come in the love of God, you better learn the fear of the Lord. Because if you look at Adam and Eve, they didn't fear God. They fell. They didn't endure forever in the garden. See, the Bible says in Psalm 19, verse eight, the fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever. So the Holy Spirit spoke to me one day.

45:39John Bevere:He said, read Psalm 19. And I went there and he said, son, Lucifer led worship right before my throne. He didn't fear me. He did not endure in heaven forever. He said, a third of the angels surrounded my throne. They beheld my glory. They didn't fear me. They didn't endure forever. Adam and Eve walked with me in the cool of the garden. They didn't fear me. They didn't endure forever. Why is it that 50 % of the pastors in America right now only last five years? 50%. Wow. Because we have not taught healthy fear of God.

46:12Josh Axe:You know, this brings me into, and by the way, your books are so phenomenal. I'd encourage people, The Awe of God is an unbelievable book. In fact, my family was going to your conferences, listening, I've read the book. It was amazing. You got a new book called The King is Coming.

46:26John Bevere:Yeah.

46:26Josh Axe:And I think this is sort of like part two. This is the other part of this fear of God because -

46:32John Bevere:That's what my editor said. That's amazing you just said that. After he edited, he said, this is all of God part two.

46:37Josh Axe:Because it's like, you know what? Like there's a principle of success and it's this. The longer you can think out and plan out, the more successful you'll be, right? And so the book, The King Is Coming, is this is, we're preparing, but we're acting like eternity is now. Like we gotta get ready now. You know, I've noticed this in business and in health. If you're going to be successful or be the best at anything or live your best life, you have to have a sense of urgency. And for a lot of people, it's kind of floating through life and like, well, you know, I'll get to it one day. Or, you know, if you go about that way in business, you're going to fall flat on your face.

47:14Josh Axe:If you go about that way in education, if you go about that way in your health, well, I'll get to it in 10 years. Versus, no, I'm going to urgently focus. You know who does this mostly? when I have a patient come in with cancer. And I mean this to say, there's an urgency of, okay, there is something really serious here and I've got to take action now. So I'm going to change. I'm going to go do Gershon therapy. I'm going to go from eating, you know, frosted flakes and cream cheese and pizza to now juicing vegetables every single meal and doing supplements and hyperbaric chamber and all the things.

47:46Josh Axe:There's an urgency. But you know what? I wrote this in my last, and I put this in an upcoming book I have coming out. I eat like I have cancer every day. Like if you're going to be your healthiest version. And so if you can really tap into that thing. And so your book's reminding me of this, The King is Coming. So talk to me about this a little bit. How do we start to act with urgency every day to live our best life?

48:08John Bevere:Well, you're absolutely right on urgency. I used to watch people and I thought they got apathetic when they talked about his second coming. And I realized, no, when you're at the end of a 5K race and you're at the 100 meters left and you see the finish line, you run the fastest you've run the whole race. That's right. A football team that's down 10 points at half doesn't do much. They're down 10 points with five minutes left. They're on a hurry up offense. That's right. So it creates a sense of urgency. Now I stayed away from this subject for four decades. Do you know that this is the first year in 42 years of ministry I've preached a message on the second coming in an American church.

48:48John Bevere:Wow. The reason is I didn't like what I saw. I saw people arguing over pre-trib, post-trib, mid-trib, all that stuff. I saw people when, who was it? Anyway, the guy wrote the book, 88 Reasons of Why Jesus is Coming Back in 1988. Now this is before your time, okay? Yeah. Edgar Winesett. And I watched my friends, you know, buy it hook, line, and sinker. We all did. I watched them run up their credit cards. I mean, he's coming in September of 88. They ran up, they stopped paying their mortgage. They stopped eating healthy. They didn't take care of the body, stopped going to the gym. So I didn't like what I saw.

49:24John Bevere:I didn't like the arguments. I didn't like this. And so in 20, people used to ask me, they'd say, don't you preach on the second coming? I said, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not called to do that. 2020, God had me, really drew me in. And he said, it was like, I almost felt like he was saying, study my second coming. well Josh the first thing I noticed is that I became kinder to my wife I became more tender to my family I didn't get upset at my staff so easily I started weeping that I would get the opportunity to win souls to Jesus I became more passionate about misery and I thought wait a minute this is good fruit I'm not getting lazier I'm actually getting more passionate and so the other thing I found out is that it's the second most talked about subject in the entire Bible.

50:14Josh Axe:Well, by the way, I watch a lot of your YouTube videos and these are your most popular topics. It's pretty interesting. From what I've seen, or at least up there.

50:25John Bevere:Because everybody has a sense that we're in the final days of the last days. The last days began on the day of Pentecost, but we're in the final days of the last days. And so it was number two subject early church fathers wrote about. 320 scriptures in the New Testament on the second coming. That's one out of every 30 scriptures. So the first question that comes to me is, what's the wisdom of God in doing this? And I realized, okay, we're the bride. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? Because the Bible makes a statement. The marriage of the lamb has come. The bride has made herself ready. To her, it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright for the fine linen is the righteous works of the saints.

51:11John Bevere:Now we're saved by grace, can't earn our salvation, but it's interesting that we're making our wedding gown by our obedience and our works to God. Okay. So here you are, you're doing podcasts, you're helping people with their health. God is gifting you in this area. You are working for him. You're doing it for his glory, right? This is what he's called you to do. I believe you've got a beautiful wedding gown ready for this day, right? Okay, most Christians probably don't have enough material to make a bikini, let alone a wedding gown, all right? But the bride has made herself ready. Yeah. Now, can you imagine when Lisa and I were engaged?

51:51John Bevere:We were living in Dallas, both working in Dallas, and we were engaged for four months, which is far too long. Oh, gosh. I agree. Chelsea and I were six months and that was too long. So yeah, way too long. if you're single, do short engagements. Anyway, the last two months of that four months, she went back to Indiana to get the church ready, the, what was it, a historic home ready for the reception. And I flew up and sure enough, my gosh, I mean, she made the church so pretty, but when I lost it is when she showed up the back door with that gorgeous gown on. Yeah, yeah. I'd never seen anything so pretty in my entire life and still haven't.

52:37John Bevere:What if she showed up in that back? What if I got to the church, there was nothing, and she showed up at the back door with just a rundown old dress that had grime on it, stains on it, peanut butter stains, torn in a few places. Her hair was all unkept. She had no makeup on. What would have gone through me? This day is not very important to her. now it might be important right now at the moment but she didn't plan for it she didn't prepare for it yeah the wife has made herself ready he's our groom we're his bride it's so important to remember it's a relationship it's not an event the second coming yeah has been treated like an event it's your wedding it's the reuniting of two lovers do you know that he doesn't even know the day The father does.

53:28John Bevere:And this is, I have a whole chapter in here on the ancient Jewish wedding. They would get betrothed, not engaged. Betrothed is actually married, but they'd leave each other for about a year. And he would build the room off his dad's house. In my house, there are many rooms, right? I mean, Jesus said it. These guys know what he's talking about. It's wedding talk. And he said, and I, if I've told you there's enough rooms, I will come and receive you. The word receive is paralambano, which is also used when he said two people will be in the field, one will be taken, the other left. Two women at the mill, one taken, another left.

54:01John Bevere:Same Greek word, paralimano. Okay, so what Jesus is saying, these disciples, they know exactly what he's saying. I'm your groom. He's been talking about being the groom, remember? He said when the bridegroom's with them, they don't need to fast. He's been talking about this. And now he's saying, I'm gonna come back and get you because you're my bride. Now, the groom in the ancient Jewish wedding, these guys all knew they would be separated for a year. They're married. When you're engaged, you just break the engagement, give the wedding ring, the engagement ring back and it's done. Back then when you're betrothed, you're married.

54:43John Bevere:You have to go through a divorce. Remember when Joseph found out Mary was pregnant during their betrayal? Yeah, right. They're separated. He finds out. And there was two ways you divorce, publicly or privately. Private embarrasses the bride. Public embarrasses the whole family. He chose to do it privately because he was a just man. So here's Jesus. Doesn't even know the day or the hour. And he's waiting for the father to say, go get your girl. Wow. So if I can say this without being irreverent, it's a lovesick groom coming back for a lovesick bride. Wow. And they can't wait. When she and I were separated that two months, it was the longest two months of my entire life.

55:30John Bevere:I never have known two months that are longer. A day seemed like a week and a week seemed like a month. And all I could think about was that wedding. All I could think about is the day I'm going to fly up there and see her.

55:39Josh Axe:Yeah.

55:40John Bevere:And I remember when we were two days away, I'm on the phone with her and I said, I'm going to see you soon, babe. That two days was nothing compared to the two months. Yeah, right. The Bible says a day with the Lord's a thousand years and a thousand years is a day. He's been gone two days. Because in Revelation, he says four times, I am coming soon. The apostles wrote, I am coming soon. When you look at 2000 years compared to eternity, bam. I mean, if you look at our life, our life, our entire life, If I live to be 84 years old, I've lived two hours. Wow. Because one hour to God is 42.6 years.

56:22John Bevere:That's crazy. All right. So, but when you look at it through the scope of eternity, so what he's looking for is a bride he can trust. Lucifer turned on God. Right, yeah. We have been tested in enemy territory. We stay faithful in enemy territory. We long for his return. We eagerly look for his return. we build that bond of trust.

56:45Josh Axe:You know, this is making me think of as well is, a lot of times when people go about trying to find their spouse, they're out there looking for the right person. And you should do that. But there's also an element of, I'm going to become the right type of person that's going to attract the right type. I'm going to try and become the person that's going to attract that type of person. And, you know, for Jesus, we know it's somebody that has the same character. he does. That's what he's going to find attractive. Somebody who's loving and kind and patient and feeding his sheep, taking care of, it's just...

57:21Josh Axe:And so I love that you're sharing this perspective because I think it's so helpful to think in these terms when it comes to eternity what it is. Because I think, to be honest, I think when most people think of eternity, maybe they're thinking of heaven even before Jesus. I'm going to go up to heaven. And I don't think most people know what that's even, I don't think anybody knows necessarily what it's going to be like.

57:42John Bevere:You know, when people talk about eschatology, which eschatology is a study of end times, often it's reduced down to dates, timelines, signs, wonders, blood moons. That's important. But what's more important is being prepared. Think about it. When we were in college, I know we didn't have cell phones when I was in college. When I'm studying engineering at Purdue University. The dreaded finals week, we had to go to the engineering mall, go to the mechanical engineering building. They had a big post and it had all my classrooms, buildings, and times of each of my finals. That took me 10 minutes. Yeah.

58:19John Bevere:But I spent days preparing. Yeah. So this book is really not about timelines and dates, although I do talk about it because it's still important. That five, 10 minutes to get those classroom times, I could have prepared all I could. But if I didn't know that, right, I'm in trouble. I do talk about it, but the bulk of this book is, how are we supposed to prepare ourselves? The bride has made herself ready. Does not say God made her ready. And that's what the real message of this book is. How do we, because the Bible says this, when Jesus returns, I'm gonna quote to you, 1 John 2, 28, my little children, stop.

59:02John Bevere:Who's he talking to? Everybody or just Christians? Just Christians. My little children remain in fellowship with him that when he appears, we may have confidence and not shrink back in shame. He just told Christians one of two responses when he returns. A believer is either going to be ashamed or confident. I want people confident. That's why I believe God really dealt with me to write this book. When I dove in, I spent thousands of hours on this, not hundreds, in 2020. I didn't think I was ever going to write a book on this. And when the Lord dealt with me and then had two major ministers confirm it, I thought, oh my goodness.

59:46John Bevere:So, okay. And I spent the entire year of 2025 writing it. And no book I've written, this is the 25th book I've written. and I've written every single one of the books except for two. I had collaborators on two of them. One was a fiction, one was a little tiny book. No book impacted me personally like this one more. No book was more impactful. I remember mornings I went to breakfast and I came downstairs because I do most of my writing in the morning. And I looked at Lisa and I said, I'm so sorry. I'm so quiet right now. I am so riveted by what the Holy Spirit's doing in me from this message. It really is a transforming message.

1:00:26Josh Axe:What would you say to believers? Because I think some believers, because to your point, eschatology feels so unknown and so kind of, there's so many disagreements on, to your point, pre-mail, you know, which is, it's so interesting. Kurt Cameron came on the show pretty recently. And, you know, he was in the Left Behind series, which is pre-mail, right? I know, yep. And then now he's coming out saying, I don't believe pre-mail. I'm more probably post-mail. but actually, I'm not sure what he said. He said, yeah, post-trib.

1:00:56John Bevere:I talk about that in their four chapters, but go ahead.

1:00:59Josh Axe:Yeah, but anyways, I think a lot of times it's like people, a lot of Christians are like, it's confusing. I just don't even want to hear about it or read it altogether. But why should people still pay attention to this?

1:01:11John Bevere:This is a really good question. All right. My kids have a hundred piece puzzle. The Holy Spirit showed me this. It was magnificent. Okay, first of all, before I talk about that puzzle, let's look at his first coming. There was a lot of ambiguity, a lot of uncertainty, a lot of controversy, a lot of mockery, but the Essenes got it right. The Essenes recognized him and predicted his execution to the weak. They're the ones that were very protective over the Dead Sea Scrolls, right? They were in a community called Qumran, but they were also scattered throughout Israel, many believe John the Baptist was an Essene.

1:01:54John Bevere:The Essene started in the 150 years before Jesus, right? Another guy that was an Essene was Simeon. And Simeon is this guy that recognizes the Messiah when he's 40 days old in the temple. The Pharisees can't recognize him when he's 30 years old, casting out demons. That's remarkable. The Pharisees could quote the first five books of the Bible, but they can't recognize God manifested in the flesh when he's right in front of them. Wow. I mean, that is remarkable. Yeah. So if you look at the Essenes -

1:02:31Josh Axe:Can I say, because it's making me think of this, and I just think it's a really big deal. So when I think about the Essenes, this group was a little bit more removed. Right. They were a little bit more, we're focusing on scripture, and we're not getting caught up in the media and the Pharisees and the Roman government. They weren't getting caught up in all of that stuff as much. They were more focused on scripture.

1:02:51John Bevere:They loved God. The Pharisees loved money. The Pharisees loved their positions. But anyway, let's get back to this because you asked a really good question. The Bible says in 1 Peter 1.10, about his first coming, the prophets and the Essenes, I'm gonna add the Essenes because they were like the prophets, inquired and searched diligently of what manner of time and what time Jesus would come in his first coming. so listen to the word inquired that means really cried out to god and prayed and they searched diligently that means searching the scriptures the sacred writings right that's what the essenes did all right so my kids got this hundred piece puzzle my grandkids and i laid all the puzzle pieces out and god put this in my heart i took a picture of it and i showed it people and i said what is that?

1:03:41John Bevere:They go, we don't know. That's the person who doesn't look at all at prophecy. It's all so ambiguous. I don't even want, I have a board member who told me the only, he's a great guy. He said, the only book of the Bible, John, I have not read is Revelation. I said, why? He said, it scares me. Why does it scare him? Because it's all those puzzle pieces. All right? Now, a teacher gives those 100 puzzle pieces to the classroom, has the classroom divide up into eight groups of four. Okay, now, this is a real puzzle. I actually have pictures of this on my phone. And the teacher says the first group that tells me what region of the world this puzzle is a picture of, you win.

1:04:30John Bevere:so one group assembles a picture and i've got a picture of it it's two polar bears they go arctic the picture goes no another group assembles a couple about five pieces and it's got two panda bears china no another group assembles a picture and it's got a bunch of horses and donkeys old mcdonald's farm north america no another group two tigers china or india no okay another group assembles about eight pieces and they get elephants and giraffes and this they go africa no but the smart group assembles the whole puzzle and you know what it's a picture of noah's ark the answer was armenia turkey the middle southeast asia or middle east this is what happens this is why you have the ambiguity because people are doing it more out of feelings what they think instead of diligently inquiring now i've got a couple thousand hours of seeking god so there's a lot in here that could save people time so what i've learned is find the people that you know they've really sought god and not just listen to what everybody else said But they have found in the scripture why they believe it's a pre-tribulation rapture or whatever, mid or post.

1:06:01John Bevere:I put it in there because I use scripture. And it's so clear. The scripture is so clear on it. But it's not clear to most people. They go, give me the one verse, one verse that shows me when the rapture is going to happen. Right? I've had people say that, right? That's like taking one of those hundred pieces, holding it up and saying, oh yeah, you're gonna tell me what that's a picture of? That one piece. God made it this way. Do you know what the early church had? They had prophecy meals. This is something they did frequently. The first three centuries, they basically would get together, eat, fellowship, and then they would do nothing but talk about the prophetic scripture.

1:06:46John Bevere:28 % of the scripture when it was written was prophetic. Look at the frequency it's written about. God intended us to search diligently and inquire about his coming. It keeps us hungry.

1:07:02Josh Axe:Yeah, it's so good. One of the things I think that I see today, a lot of Christians taking part, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. I mean, if you go on social media today, it's hard to not get distracted by something. You know, you and I were talking about this for a few minutes before, there's this giant feud going on. Even like the Republican Party, you've got like Candace Owens here and Ben Shapiro here and then Tucker Carlson. You know all of these people arguing. I see Christians getting caught up in, oh, you know, taking a side on, you know, this person or this person or whatever.

1:07:37Josh Axe:And it feels to me like it's so divisive and such a distraction. And taking away from this.

1:07:44John Bevere:The enemy loves that because a house divided cannot stand. We're in a propaganda war right now. And you know what? People are so wise that they just keep a pulse on what's happening in society and not get involved in what people are saying in their opinions. Because so much of what they're saying isn't even true when you go and you really research it. Oh, yeah. So this is the way I see it. I'm like, Lord, what's really important? Help me see what's really important that I need to know. You know what's really interesting to me? I watch people get more upset over what appears to be a racial issue, what appears, appears, may not even be, than 60 ,000 Iranians being slaughtered right now by their government.

1:08:38John Bevere:They're more up in arms about these things than they are about people being slaughtered. What is going on? I'm talking about believers. I'm not talking about unbelievers. I'm talking about believers. They're giving more attention on social media, talking more about this or the, you know, is the president oracious? Is he not? You know what? Is that really important? What's really important is about 60 ,000 people in Iran have been slaughtered. Little boys, little girls, Christians.

1:09:07Josh Axe:Yeah, wow.

1:09:09John Bevere:And we're not giving our time and attention to that.

1:09:12Josh Axe:Yeah.

1:09:12John Bevere:We're slaughtering babies every day. we're not in mother's wombs yeah thank god for lila rose and others we're not giving attention to that we have hundreds of christians being slaughtered in nigeria we're not talking about that we have billions who've never heard the gospel and we're not talking about we're talking about is president trump a racist we are so sick i'm talking about in the way we view things in the church in America. You wanna know what it is? We're not like the South American Brazilian church we were just talking about. They're looking at eternity. They're like, how do we get people saved and discipled?

1:09:53John Bevere:Jesus said, go make disciples of every nation, right? Go into all the world, make disciples of all nations. And we're arguing about, is somebody a racist or not? And I mean, consuming social media for two days.

1:10:06Josh Axe:I'm so glad you said that because this is where I was gonna go next. My point was gonna be, who are you following? right? I mean, I think social media, especially, we start following these people and we don't even realize we're being discipled by somebody who's evil, somebody who's following a lie, somebody who's just wandering off versus to your, one of the things, again, that I've loved so much about this book and what you've been preaching for the past few years is this focusing on the eternal, focusing on Jesus' second coming, focusing on that, that, and what a difference it'll make.

1:10:38John Bevere:You know, I have a pastor who pastors a very large church, and his father turned it over to him. And he got up and just spoke something very godly, very true, and lost 500 families. And I was on the phone with him. He said, John, I realize they're being discipled by culture, not by Scripture. If they were discipled by scripture, he wouldn't have lost any families. He just simply got up and prayed for someone. That's all he did. He prayed for someone and lost 500 families. That's how divisive social media. I used to think mainstream media was evil. Now I understand social media is a lot more effective in getting people divided.

1:11:27John Bevere:And Jesus said, a house divided won't stand. Our nation, if we don't have a move of God and we get away from this divisiveness and this offense, we're in big trouble.

1:11:38Josh Axe:There's a, I don't know if you know who Ray Dalio is. He's this financial expert. What he does is he studies patterns from the past and how those apply today. So financial systems, when systems, like he studied Rome, like why did it rise? Why did it fall? What happened? And so, I mean, he shared. He's like, right now, the United States, China, these countries. He's like, right now we're on the, he's like, it's part of the pattern of the U.S. If we don't fix something soon because of the divisiveness, it's very, very close to all out civil war crumbling. He's like, we're on that path. Unless something radically changes, it's not a matter of if, it's just when.

1:12:15John Bevere:We're in a civil war right now. It's men's souls. We don't have guns yet, but words are so deadly. And so we need a move of God. If we don't have a move of God, I don't know how much longer the backbone that our founding fathers have established can hold up. It's only, I think it's because we have been a friend to Israel and because we have given so much to world missions. I think it's keeping us afloat. I think we've touched the heart of God. Remember, Cornelius gave to the poor. America has, I was told one time, and I wish I would have researched this before I say it, so please check me out.

1:12:59John Bevere:I was told Americans, philanthropy, a billion dollars a day. Wow. If you put all the Americans together, the foundations, all the giving, the churches, the tithing, everything, we give a billion dollars a day. And we have done so much for nations that are so hurting, you know, as far as reaching them with the gospel, drilling wells, building orphanages. I mean, some of the most beautiful believers I've met in the world, I've been to 61 nations preaching the gospel. Some of the most beautiful are right here in the United States. They pray diligently. It reminds me of the church of Sardis. I talk about this.

1:13:39John Bevere:This is one of the chapters. The church of Sardis was a very opulent city. Even the other cities in the ancient world envied Sardis because they had so much wealth. In Sardis, they didn't persecute you for your faith. They didn't care who you served. They just wanted to be rich and have a good time. It affected the church negatively. And Jesus says to this church, you have a reputation for being alive, but you're dead. Oh my goodness. What gives the church a reputation for being alive? Great songs, good music, good foyer, great coffee in the foyer, good inspiring messages. He said, you have a reputation for being alive.

1:14:19John Bevere:You're dead. And he said, why are they dead? Because he said, I find that your actions don't meet the requirements of my God. That's what Jesus said to them. And he said, wake up. He said, before that, which he said, you have some things that are almost dead. They haven't died yet. If you don't wake up, they're going to die. But then he makes a statement. This is the whole reason I went to this. He said, but there are some in Sardis who have not stained their clothes, their wedding garment. They've not stained. How do you stain your wedding garment? Jude said, hating the garment defiled by the flesh.

1:14:54John Bevere:James said, true, true religion is to stay unspotted from the world. Jesus said, there's a few in Sardis. There's some in Sardis who haven't stained their garment. They will walk with me in white. I look at this nation and there are some of the greatest believers I've ever met in the world and they're the some. But there are so many that say, I'm a Christian, but yet they're fighting on social media about their tribe, about their conditions, about their church, about their pastor. You know, maybe they're not talking well. I mean, it's really sad. And, you know, you look and you go, how are we not any different than society?

1:15:37John Bevere:How are we not any different? Jesus said they'll know us by our loved one for another. Yeah, you're so divided.

1:15:45Josh Axe:You know, it's interesting because if you look at a lot of these social media followers that profess to be Christians, I think about, are you taking care of the widows? Are you taking care of the orphans? Are you being kind?

1:15:57John Bevere:Yeah.

1:15:58Josh Axe:You know, are you giving people grace? They messed up. Okay, is there grace there? Are you, you know, attacking them and beating them down and trying to shame them? And, you know, it's just, it's so, but that's what's happening. I mean, it's really, it's become so divisive. Last question for you. What do we need to do? What's the number one thing we need to do to prepare for the Lord's coming?

1:16:19John Bevere:Walk in true, authentic, genuine holiness. It's the only description of the bride he's coming back for. It's not a relevant church. It's not a community church. All that's important. It's so important.

1:16:31Josh Axe:How do we prepare?

1:16:33John Bevere:You stay in the word, you stay in prayer, and you keep, the Bible says, set your affections on things above. So just as I set my sights on my wedding day and it caused me to think about my wife nonstop for four months, especially the two months she was gone, I wasn't even interested in looking at another girl. The most beautiful girl in the world is up in Indiana getting ready to be joined to me. I'm like, great, you know? You're a pretty blonde, you're a pretty brunette. but you're not attractive to me. My sights are set on my girl. Yeah. Okay. When our eyes get set on the things of heaven, not the things of this earth, we'll start living a more godly life.

1:17:21John Bevere:You know, I look at C.S. Lewis. He said, the people that actually do the most in this life are the people who actually have their sights on heaven.

1:17:30Josh Axe:Yeah.

1:17:31John Bevere:And so he wrote that. And I thought that was very insightful. That's why I believe this book has helped me so much personally. What God has shown me is it got my sights in the right place.

1:17:43Josh Axe:It's so powerful. Yeah, C.S. Lewis, I think, and maybe this is a different quote, but it's essentially the same thing. He says, you know, the people that do the most in this life are the ones that think the most about the next.

1:17:53John Bevere:That's exactly the quote.

1:17:54Josh Axe:And it's so, so good and it's so powerful. You know, I remember Chelsea and I, we got married down in 30A. And I remember when I saw her, I was like, my breath caught. You know, I was like, oh, wow. You know, and it was that sense of like awe and wonder. Wow. You know, and that's the same way we should feel about Jesus. I think if you really spend time in God's word and meditating and realizing what he's done for you, how much he loves you, who he is. Yeah. To your point, holding the world in the palm of his hand, there's a sense of awe in a similar fashion. And that he would die for me. There's a sense of wonder that he would die.

1:18:30Josh Axe:Yeah, that's right. That he would die for me. My creator. Yeah. Yeah, it's overwhelming, it's transforming, and it's powerful. And I wanna encourage everybody, go out and get John's book here. It's called The King is Coming. It's time to prepare for the return of Christ here. I wanna encourage you guys to get it. It's in bookstores nationwide. It's on amazon.com. I wanna encourage you guys to get the book. There's something so powerful about just educating yourself and digging in and acting with urgency because the time is now. I want to say thanks so much for tuning in here to the Dr. Josh Axe Show.

1:19:04Josh Axe:Remember, each week we're diving deep into the science and principles of how you can heal physically, mentally, and spiritually and take your health and your life to the next level. Thanks so much to my friend, John, here. John, I love you. You're the best. And thanks so much. I want to encourage you also, John's got an amazing, his YouTube channel is unbelievable. So I'd encourage you to check out his YouTube. He's really dug deeper in some of these topics there as well. And by the way, the number one thing you can do to support the show here as well is subscribe and share it. There are millions, billions of people that aren't prepared.

1:19:39Josh Axe:And so I want to encourage you, help them prepare for the return of Christ and to have a relationship with him. And you can do that by sharing and subscribing here to the show as well. Thanks so much for watching. Thanks again to John here, and we'll see you on the next episode.

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