What the Bible Says About Red Meat, Pork, Dairy, and Bread | Jordan Rubin x Dr. Axe

28:29Look for goat, sheep. Water buffalo is one of my favorites. And you can see it in mozzarella cheese and other cheeses. And soon there's going to be some yogurt. you're going to see. So you know me, I love water buffalo. I raise water buffalo. They're amazing. But yes, there are multiple brands that have either A2 or A2 forward slash A2. But I want to say something because we've been doing research on this for 19 years. You know this. We had the largest herd of A2 dairy at the time, 15 years ago, before anyone knew what it was really. But But it's a passion of mine to see not only A2, which is a start, but organic grass-fed A2 is the ultimate.

29:15And if you can get it raw, unpasteurized, that's what we call the top of the top of dairy. And I think people are now coming around to this. I've been meeting with dairy farmers recently who are converting. I've been meeting with major retailers who are super excited. A mutual friend of ours is now over the$3 billion dairy category at Whole Foods. Ben, he moved back into that role, and he and I had a lengthy discussion. He wants to change the way people consume dairy. And it is so, so exciting because this is what the Bible said all along. And so if you're out there and you want to try dairy, I usually say try dairy in the form of butter first, butter or ghee.

29:55Then move into like a cheese or a yogurt. because there are people that have a challenge with lactose, regardless of whether it's A2 or A1. But don't buy the misconception. And you know this, Josh, and I get frustrated. There are so many influencers now that are hopping on the A2 bandwagon, and I'm excited about that. But they'll say, if you buy milk from a Jersey cow or if you buy this or that, I have tested 10 ,000 cows for their genetics, and Jersey is not much better than Holstein. make sure to look for either A2 or A2 forward slash A2 because there's two. Yeah. It's a double variant in the genetic, and I can explain that another time, or by goat, sheep, or water buffalo.

30:41When you go to grocery stores or health food stores, they'll have the animal picture on the area where you buy the cheese because sometimes I'm in there looking and it's hard to tell, but you will see a big difference. And a lot of dairy that you find in India, Africa, and the Middle East, It's predominantly A2, and people that come over from there or their lineages from there, they have problems consuming A1 dairy. I'm one of them because way back, being Jewish, my family comes from that area. But I see African Americans, I see Indian people that can't tolerate dairy in the U.S., but they can tolerate it in their home country because the dairy's different.

31:21And that's a very telltale sign. The Bible was recorded in the Middle East. There is no doubt in my mind when they consume dairy and they did. It says goat milk for your maidens and for your health. It talks about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob being nomadic. They consumed lots of dairy. When David brought food to the Israeli army fighting the Philistines, there was curd, there was butter, there was dairy. It was predominant when you're in a nomadic culture. Well, you know, here's another one, you know, you know, Abraham, when he's visited by, The Lord and the two angels, I think one of the things he might be feeding them is some dairy there as well.

32:03And you introduced a great concept. Let's go to red meat. Maybe we should come up with a dairy brand like the angel in the milk or something like that. That's actually phenomenal. I didn't even think of that because, yes, an angelic host, we think partook in the food. We know they were offered it. And that was right before Sodom and Gomorrah. So they used that energy for some clobbering time after that. So that's a little Fantastic Four reference there. So red meat is the ultimate health food and delicacy in the Bible. It's the ultimate. It's not good. It's not okay. It's the ultimate. And here's why I say this.

32:40I'll use your story for example. When Abraham was visited by the Lord, the Lord of hosts, he was obviously negotiating with God then, which was pretty amazing, saying, well, what if there's 40? righteous people in Sodom. What if there's 30, 20, 10, 5? He's literally negotiating with God, which is so amazing. I'm getting chills. I try to negotiate with God sometimes myself. It doesn't always work. So he says, Sarah, go kill the fatted calf. Go bring some curd. Make this amazing meal. When anyone could afford it, when anyone had a special guest in the Bible, and I would argue everywhere on the planet, they would serve red meat.

33:19They would kill the fatted calf. This is also part of the prodigal son story too if you think about it the fatted calf was probably a four to six year old bull that was intact meaning and we'll get into that another time on how to properly raise animals and slaughter them this was a health food and for the christian medical and dental association which is an organization of believers who believe in the bible that are medical doctors to say that red meat is not good for you is a travesty. It's just not true. So, Abraham gave the fatted calf to the angelic host. In the story of the prodigal son, which Jesus spoke, they killed the fatted calf.

34:02And even more importantly, in 1 Kings 4, verses 22 and 23, and this is one of, I would say, two major revelations in the Biblio diet that I've never talked about, which blows my mind because it's the same Bible, we hear about Solomon's daily provisions, or I call it the wisest meal on the earth. Why do I say that? Because the Bible says that Solomon was the wisest man on the earth. It says that every king, every king in the world came to hear Solomon, and they were blown away by his wisdom. And Solomon told his people and served or had his servants serve every day red meat and bread. It's mind-boggling.

34:51And today, there's an attack on red meat and there's an attack on bread. But I would argue that Solomon, who knew everything about animals and our anatomy and physiology with the greatest amount of wisdom and the greatest amount of wealth, If you could eat anything on the planet, wouldn't it be what would sustain you and make you healthier? And that's why I'm telling people today, you can follow the world, you can follow an influencer, or you can follow God. Yeah, I love it. It's such a great message, you know, and I think that there are so many things in the Bible, you know, that if you are looking to live your best life possible, the Bible is still the ultimate guide.

35:32If you want to learn how to run a business, I mean, there are books like Thou Shalt Prosper and other books written there. I know Dave Ramsey follows this advice. It's like, if you want to be as wealthy as possible, follow the principles of the Bible. If you want to have the best relationships, if you want to become your best you, if you want to have the biggest impact in the world, those principles are in the Bible. And the same is true when it comes to dietary and lifestyle practices. If you want to be the healthiest you, if you want to, and if you've got a condition, if you want to beat cancer, if you want to reverse autoimmune disease, if you want to heal your gut, if you want to balance your hormones, these principles are in the Bible.

36:09If you look deep enough or have somebody help interpret, like Jordan, in terms of what is the Bible saying here in terms of what are those practices you should follow. And I do want to mention, here's the book that Jordan and I here have co-authored. It's called The Biblio Diet. And this book is going to be released very soon. And you can get it on Amazon.com. It's going to be in bookstores nationwide. But again, here, it's the Biblio diet and it's healing secrets of the Bible. And we cover so much in this book, everything from the exact diet that the biblical characters followed, such as Jesus, David, Abraham, Esther, everyone, we go through what they ate.

36:47We go through things like healing herbs of the Bible, essential oils of the Bible. We go through the principles of fasting. They're actually utilized in the Bible. And just general healing therapies of the Bible. We do get into science as well. We back up some of it as well, even though the Bible is a greater authority than science today. But we do get into that. And so I want to encourage you, you know, get this book. We really think that this is a book that every Christian should have. And we're also going to be doing a lot of speaking, a lot of church programs. There's some major churches that are going to be bringing their congregation through a healing program here with the Biblio Diet.

37:22So we're really excited about this. And it was a way Jordan and I really wanted to honor God and really bring the truth about what the Bible says about eating and lifestyle medicine. And so we also think it's a great guide for longevity. There's all these biohacks and longevity out there. You know, I was thinking about this with biohacking. Almost every single biohack is taken from nature because we're not getting enough of it. For instance, now listen, I love infrared light therapy. Okay. And I love red light. but there are even greater benefits, even though I use red light therapy, especially in the winter, there are even greater benefits from the sun that God created, you know, sunbathing.

38:03I mean, you're getting so many other lights, you're getting so many other wavelengths that you're not getting in red light therapy. And that's true for just numerous things. Absolutely. In fact, I was doing some research, Josh, reminding myself of the health lineage I have, because I used to tell a story of the different doctors and health experts that ultimately were in the chain that led me back to health. And the first or the top of the chain was Dr. Auguste Rallier from Switzerland. He introduced something called heliotherapy, which is using the sun to heal. He had a sanatorium, which is a health retreat or a clinic, and he took on a young, very sick individual with tuberculosis, which was one of the most challenging terminal diseases of the time.

38:49And this young man was healed at his clinic through heliotherapy or sunlight. His name was Paul Bragg, and he went on to found the famous Bragg company known for its apple cider vinegar, and the chain goes on. Then Paul Bragg helped Jack LaLanne, who helped a man named Bud Keith, who helped me by introducing me to the healing secrets of the Bible. So we talk about sunlight. Even just the subtitle, Live Long, Master Metabolism, Reduce Pain, Fight Depression, and Conquer Cancer with healing secrets from the Bible, how many people out there are going to benefit or have a family member that needs it?

39:27And this is something exciting. You and I each share the blueprint where we healed from life-threatening and or terminal illness. And it was a combination of what they would call today mind-body medicine. But for us, it's God's plan and following it. And I love what you're saying. The original biohackers were in the Bible, and yet they didn't have to hack anything. They followed a simple plan that is thousands of years old, and you made a great point. The Bible is an amazing source for marriage, for raising children, and for business. I'll give you a great example. I didn't even tell you this.

40:08I was in Costa Rica walking barefoot, getting sunlight. I was looking at the sun, full body sun. It was probably 10 a.m., so it was right on my body as I was walking, earthing, grounding, all of that, listening to the Bible on the app like I do every morning. And I was praying to God, and you'll appreciate this because you know how I operate. Lord, I have so many opportunities to invest and to be involved in businesses. I don't want to spend a minute of time outside of your plan. I don't want to waste any time or money. Please tell me what I should do. And I'm listening to Ecclesiastes, which is arguably one of the most depressing books in the Bible, right?

40:53It's Solomon saying, this all amounts to nothing. I tried everything. I ate the best. It's all vanity. So Ecclesiastes 11.2. right after I'm praying this, invest in seven ventures, yes, eight. Have you ever seen that in the Bible? No. How amazing is that? So I'm getting chills again, and I'm, so I jot it down, and I'm the kind of person, when I hear from God, I'm going to do it. So I am looking at that as my filter for investments. Wow. And we know that Jesus, in the parable of the 10 talents and the parable of the minas, he talks about investing. He talks about being an entrepreneur because the three servants, when the master was gone, two of them went and started businesses.

41:38One of them hid his money in the ground and the master said, at least you should have put it in the bank so it could have earned interest. So Jesus is teaching us that that's how we should go. So if anyone's out there saying, I've tried everything, I'm desperate for a health breakthrough or transformation, I believe the Biblio diet is for you, and it warms my heart to think that people would go around saying, I'm on the Biblio diet. Now, you mentioned Mark Sisson, who's amazing, and so many others. People are like, there's the father of the Paleo diet. There is no father of the Biblio diet, except for the Ancient of Days, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

42:16And notice, this isn't the Jordan diet. It's not the Dr. Axe diet. This is the Biblio diet. We are messengers delivering thousands of years of revelation for such a time as this, because it's impossible to think that you and I who read the Bible so often could leave things out in the past, but it's happened. And we have had our eyes opened to biblical secrets that I think can heal cancer, I think can help people conquer depression, eliminate pain, overcome inflammatory bowel disease, infections. It's all here. And I'm so excited that people get a chance to learn about it for the first time. And they can check the biblical reference, because again, if you believe the Bible is the word of God, you're going to see bedrock truth here.

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45:17You know, we see Jesus eating bread constantly, you know, and so bread has got a really bad rap. There's a couple things that I want to say, and then feel free to share your thoughts, too. But one is, you know, the grains they were consuming were very different then, okay? Now, most people at this point, I have a very educated audience who lists the podcast here. So we know there's a difference between our conventional grain today that's been hybridized and something like einkorn wheat. You know, when Chelsea and I were in Italy last year and we're driving through Tuscany, these beautiful fields of golden wheat, you know, they're growing einkorn there.

45:52And you'll notice it's more of a yellow color. It's not that sort of pale white or caramel color. So there's a difference there. There's less gluten. There's less, you know, carbohydrates. It's a very different product. In addition, they probably milled their grains that same day. They probably harvested and very soon milled them. It's going to be more nutrient dense. There was a sourdough. They might have been laid out in the sun and they were probably sprouted. And then they were probably fermented in a sourdough and made in a sourdough bread. And sometimes they used multiple grains, not just wheat, but also barley and rye.

46:30And it was probably a pretty darn nutrient-dense food. It's very different than the bread today. And it was probably like a brick. So think about this. You mentioned Jesus ate bread all the time. There are three times when Jesus was recorded as eating something. One was during his life, and he ate bread and fish. one was during after his resurrection he ate bread and fish and one was what we call the last supper and he broke bread so undoubtedly he ate it he even says he who dips the bread in the dish with me Judas is the one who's gonna betray me so clearly Jesus ate bread he was referred to as the bread of life scriptures will say man cannot live on bread alone now notice they're assuming you're gonna live on bread in the bible but they just said you can't live on bread alone bread was synonymous with food.

47:20It is almost the same word. There are so many reasons why bread and grains have changed today. You alluded to a few of them. There's no doubt it was sourdough, Josh, because they're nomads. There's yeast in the air. It's happening, and they used wine to preserve things, so they might have put a little bit of that in there. The grains weren't sprayed with glyphosate at the end of them. The other time, I'll say the fourth, is when the disciples were hungry and they They were eating grains in the field, and the Pharisees were telling Jesus, why didn't your disciples wash their hands before they ate?

47:58They're just plucking heads of grain. Two major feasts of the Lord celebrate the grain harvest, and one of them—and this is why Jesus is called the Bread of Life. Most people don't know this, because the first fruits harvest, called Yom Habikurim, was a harvest of barley. So the barley harvest was the feast of first fruits, and Paul later calls Jesus the first fruits of the Lord. He is God's sacrifice, God's offering to us. I believe that bread can be healthy. Now, I will say this, because I've written books geared towards people with autoimmune and inflammatory bowel disease. There is a time we should eliminate grains because our gut is so wrecked.

48:45Yeah. However, sprouted or even, I believe more importantly, true sourdough bread, not the white kind that you can get at every grocery store, but true sourdough bread can be amazing. So I got home from a two day trip. You and I were talking off the air. I was on television for 24 hours, more or less straight. That's a lot. And I got home and I like to think my body craves what it needs. part of my meal was two slices of sourdough einkorn bread fermented for 72 hours along with some water buffalo butter on top sounds pretty good i know you're just like what is he even talking about i am excited josh that there's a i would say a revolution in sourdough today like i'm hearing friends of mine that aren't even into health they're like going out of town like who's gonna watch it you know should i have my mom watch it should i and i'm thinking is it their kid is at their dog.

49:38It's their sourdough culture. We do the same thing. I mean, Chelsea is, first off, she makes the most amazing sourdough bread. Like, it is awesome. Our girls love it. Both our girls this morning for breakfast had, it's sort of that thing is like, are you having butter with your bread or bread with your butter? Yeah. There's so much butter on it. But it's, yeah, she's been doing it. So Chelsea, and she was inspired by a friend of ours, everybody, you know, Carrie Underwood, she's been making sourdough. And I think they were, they were texting and Carrie was posting her pictures and chelsea's like okay i'm gonna get into this so she started making sourdough this is probably almost three years ago now and uh or maybe yeah about three years ago and since then we have had sourdough pancakes sourdough waffles sourdough cinnamon buns sourdough tortillas uh loads and loads of just amazing sourdough and we have an einkorn sourdough pizza that you actually after you make the crust you let it expand even more and it's amazing it's like a deep dish pizza that is so delicious.

50:37And einkorn's great, but you mentioned barley. There are good forms of rye. Unfortunately, today we have to find the right grain, just like cows with that genetic mutation. We have selectively bred grains for all the wrong reasons. They actually want more gluten in grains, Josh, because that helps the bread stick together. Whereas in the past, you would have had that coarse, you know, milled feeling when you consumed it. And I just think the tampering with our food, the detrimental effects, they're starting to end and people are taking their life back. And so what the Biblio diet really is, it's a roadmap for those who want to live God's way, to eat God's way.

51:22And if someone's watching and says, I don't believe in God, I'm not a Christian, I'm not someone who cares about what the Bible says. Well, if you want to live long, master metabolism, reduce pain, fight depression, and conquer cancer, and nothing's worked, maybe you should eat by the book. Because God is a God of action, not a God of words. And I believe if someone's watching, God's going to impart favor on them by following his plan, whether they believe him or not. And I've got such great stories, Josh. I remember getting a letter of someone saying, Jordan, I'm an atheist. I don't believe in God.

51:58but I saw your biblical health plan heal my son. And I bet, Josh, their minds are open now. Because God's a God of action. And you know what? We should be a people of action too and quit arguing about what's good and what's bad. I used to say this. I would visit cancer clinics around the world when I was dealing with Crohn's disease. And the most know-it-all, angry, arguing people were those that were literally dying. And they're frustrated because nothing's working for them, yet they're trying to convince somebody that what they heard from some doctor or influencer, it was not an influencer at the time, author, whatever, is the right way.

52:37Meanwhile, their results are they're dying. And I believe that people are going to experience life and abundant life by reading the Biblio Diet. And I don't say that easily. I know the weight to that, but I feel like this book is not interpreting anything. It's just showing what God already did, what he already said in a way that we've missed it. And I didn't even touch on something. We're going to devote an entire program on Josh. I believe God has a plan to heal cancer. He did it in my life. He did it in your cousin and our mutual close friend, Dr. Pete Sulak. There's so many more people and we're going to unveil something that is going to blow people's minds because I have waited 17 years to share this message.

53:26And we're sharing it in the Biblio diet. Yeah. Yeah. That's an amazing part of the book, really talking about healing cancer. I know it's something that I'm going to have you on again here in just a month or so when we're going to dive deep into healing secrets of the Bible related to cancer as well. But this is something that obviously affects almost everybody. When we had Dr. Pete Sulak and Dr. Gazzagoli on, one of the things we talked about is like cancer has doubled in people over the last 50 years, despite us spending more and more and more and more chemotherapy, more radiation. So that's another thing too, is that, you know, the world's most, I would say, uh, deadly, terrifying disease.

54:03Yes. A hundred percent is, uh, the Bible has answers for it. It does. Yeah. And, and, and that disease, I know that something you and I both believe, and we'll dive into this more in the future. It's not just physical, it's spiritual. There's something going on, and we dive into that. So I'm excited to talk about that too. And I'll tease this, Josh. This is hard to say, and it's harder for people to hear. I have worked with tens of thousands of people over the years coaching them in their health journey. And a lot of it was inflammatory bowel disease, autoimmune disease, rheumatoid arthritis, ankylosing spondylitis.

54:35Think of all the itises. And then there's cancer. I believe in a physical sense, cancer is less difficult to fight naturally than MS or rheumatoid arthritis or even Crohn's and ulcerative colitis. It's just my experience. The difference, there's something spiritual about cancer. I think there's something demonic about cancer, which you can get that out of me when we talk in the future. That'll be a little more controversial. but as someone who's overcome cancer and stared death in the face, I have a new perspective, or at least 17 years ago, I developed a new perspective on that. And it's just something like nothing else.

55:17Now I'll say Lou Gehrig's disease or ALS is horrific. Scleroderma can be horrific. The list goes on and on, but cancer is something that changes the mindset and the belief of someone who's diagnosed with it. And I think man has elevated it on purpose. I don't want to sound out there, but there's something wrong with a single disease name for a solid tumor in your colon or something going on with your blood and leukemia. It's not the same. It can't be the same physical thing. It makes no sense. There's something more insidious. And I look forward to the future program where we share that. But in the meantime, If someone orders the Biblio diet, go to Amazon.com to get it.

56:04We're going to outline in Biblio medicine how someone can conquer cancer, whether they're following conventional treatment or integrative treatment. We're focused on the most important aspects of your health, your mindset, and incorporating this Biblio medicine into your life. And I believe God has allowed this message to be here for such a time as this. Yeah, you know, I think one of the things you and I both feel very passionate about is biblical medicine. Part of that is food, but it's so much more than that. I mean, it's prayer. It's meditation. It's praise. It's following things in the Bible.

56:38Like in James saying, you know, go and have the elders of the church lay their hands on you and have them pray for you for healing. So there is a whole healing protocol you can follow that's biblical. And that's not to say that, you know, if you're like when, you know, I was, you know, counseling somebody through who had cancer recently. and she's doing IV therapy. She's doing NK cells. She is doing a number of things that are more modern scientific cutting edge, but doing those along with a lot of these biblical practices in order to fight cancer and give herself her best shot of complete healing.

57:12I think it's critical, no matter what we're doing in today's day and age, to have that foundational bedrock in how we eat and how we live. We wouldn't want to live our life without a spiritual foundation, but I wish I could tell you that being a Christian, being born again is going to mean you are not going to die from cancer. You're going to be healed from cancer. I've seen different, and I hate to say it, but you have to follow God's plan for you. And I'll give an example. People say, Jordan, can I be a Christian, go to heaven, and eat whatever I want, and live however I want. And it's the stupid joke of yes, and you'll get there a lot sooner.

57:54But at the same time, think of it this way. Because I trusted Jesus as my Lord and Savior, but then I jump out of a 10-story building, does that mean I'm going to live because I'm a Christian? I broke God's law of gravity. I think some of what God shares with us in marriage, in raising children in finances and in health it's like a law of gravity and we are going against it yeah thinking we're going to miraculously overcome and that's god is a god of order he's a god of principles and he's a god of miracles and you and i have both experienced more miracles in a process than instantaneous wouldn't you say that oh yeah yeah absolutely Do you have unexplainable illness, hormone dysfunction, weight loss resistance, brain fog, and you're tired of being dismissed when you know something isn't right?

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59:31So Jordan, we've covered three major foods. We talked about red meat. We talked about bread. We talked about dairy. I want to talk about just a few others. I want to talk about honey, and I want to talk about salt. Okay. And by the way, this is one of my favorite things we get into in the book. You know, I'm a huge, we're both huge honey fans. In fact, if somebody asks us what our favorite natural sweetener is, it's not monk fruit. It's not stevia. It's definitely not artificial sweetener. It's not allulose. It's not coconut sugar. It's honey. Why is honey the ultimate sweetener for health issues?

1:00:06Honey is the Bible's sweetener. There is no doubt. The Bible referred to the promised land, which was deliverance for the people of Israel as the land of milk and honey. It says that not because literally there's milk coming out of the sky or you find honey flowing out of the rocks. it's because those are the symbols of God's promises to us in abundance and fertile land. When there's fertile land, the animals produce abundant, healthy milk, and when there's lots of flowers and plants, the bees produce honey. Honey shouldn't be considered a sweetener. It should be considered a medicine cabinet if you consume it in the right form.

1:00:49Whether it's raw, unheated honey that's local for your allergies, or whether it's Manuka honey, Melapana honey. These are therapeutic honeys from New Zealand and South America, respectively. I actually talked to someone about a honey from Madagascar that he sent me that could be even better than Manuka. I haven't talked to you about that yet, but it's super exciting. Honey actually collects small amounts of all the botanicals in the area. So in a sense, if you believe in homeopathy or if you believe in herbal medicine, which you should, honey is a collector of that, and it's antimicrobial, and it tastes so, so good.

1:01:28Now, just like dairy and bread, you can ruin honey by heating it, by processing it. But I got to tell you, consuming honeycomb is amazing, not only for sweetness and for energy, because it helps power your body and brain, but there's a verse in the Bible that says, if you eat honeycomb, it's good for the bones. honeycomb contains certain amino acids that actually help your bones and your joints. Amazing. Yeah, there are so many benefits of honey, you know, in the studies, I want to hit on a few studies here. There's one out of Texas A &M, and they said around 76 % of honey you buy at the store is not even honey.

1:02:04It is so filtered and so heated and so damaged. There's zero pollen in it, zero. And so pretty much it's, it's sugar. Okay. However, if you get good, real honey, buy it at your local farmer's market, buy it at a health food store. It's an amazing healing superfood. You mentioned the honeycomb, loads of benefits there. There's loads of benefits of propolis. I actually think that propolis is maybe one of the most underutilized forms of medicine out there. I mean, there are several studies on it being effective for autoimmune disease and for strengthening your own immune system. And so it's the ultimate immune modulator out there today.

1:02:42I think that's fantastic. We've got royal jelly, which is great for anti-aging and longevity. It's known as a yin tonic in Chinese medicine, probably the greatest anti-aging compound for females. And then bee pollen. Yes. I mean, that's an amazing superfood. That's great for allergies, too, combining that with raw local honey. So there are loads and loads of benefits. You know, when you go back to the tombs, like 3 ,000 years, they actually found honey still intact. Yes. It lasts thousands of years. It is so unique. That's why I said it shouldn't be considered a sweetener. It should be considered a medicine cabinet because it's different than every other sweetener.

1:03:16I don't think maple syrup's too bad, but it doesn't do what honey does. It's just okay. Agave I don't like, but it doesn't do what honey does. Everyone's talking about allulose and these other sweeteners that are 99.9 % processed. I don't mind monk fruit. I don't mind stevia. It's better than sugar from cane or beets, but honey's in a different category, And it bothers me when people say the other yeah, yeah, we had a when Arwen was about Is my arms my daughter she was about six months old she had cradle cap I remember and we put honey on I mean we tried some other things first actually and then we did honey and within days just disappeared Totally disappeared.

1:03:55It was absolutely amazing. And so you know you can now we didn't feed it to her everybody I know you know under one years old which but we We put it on her it's so funny because sometimes I'll say things and then I'll get comments It's like, you know. Listen, I made my own infant formula for all my kids out of 14 ingredients. So feeding honey to someone who's under two is not the worst indiscretion by any stretch. Oh, exactly. Kind of silly, actually. It is. Exactly. But as we've been talking about, I mean, it is an amazing healing food for numerous things. You know, this is interesting. I had my brother-in-law, Noah, you know Noah.

1:04:32He came to me and he said, we take care at the Health Institute. We take care of patients, and he's doing some of the practitioner calls. And he said, I have a woman who is doing bee venom therapy for her results. And he said she's seen some really amazing results. And then I've read up on numerous people. I had somebody we once bought a house from. He did this for injuries, and he just swore by it. And it's sort of nature's, I think it was nature's original PRP or stem cell therapy, one of the nature's original regenerative medicine therapies. Have you read it all or heard anything? Absolutely.

1:05:10Well, when you go to New Zealand, I was in New Zealand visiting a Maori Manuka honey brand, and we went and harvested. I saw their processing. In New Zealand, bee venom is used for skin care. You might actually call it nature's Botox along with regenerative medicine because you're getting that feedback loop. So some people, if you're stung by a bee, it's a horrible experience, but it could actually be good for you. Now, I would not say the same thing about wasps and yellow jackets, but it's very unique that even something like that, it's a hormetic stress is what it is, right? It's what we talk about when we talk about sauna and cold plunge and all of these, which we address in the Biblio diet, too, because the environment in the Bible was harsh.

1:05:57The environment throughout history was harsh. And getting stung by a bee was probably just one example. And if the land was flowing with milk and honey, there were probably a lot of bees. Wouldn't it be crazy? And this happens. I mean, I had somebody I knew who had arthritis, and they just literally relieved their arthritis pain completely. Yes, bee venom, that is how it was originally studied because beekeepers or apiarians were found when they were stung frequently that they had less aches and pains. So that's how it all started. You mentioned salt. Yeah. So salt is amazing in the Bible. And I talked to a group of doctors last week and I shared this.

1:06:34There's some sayings we have in America and in the world that we don't think about their etymology, which is where they come from. So the term salary, which is what was originally paid to people thousands of years ago, comes from the root word that means salt. So people were paid in salt. And you've heard the expression, he's not worth his salt. That means someone didn't perform at work. Just like the cream of the crop means you're the best. Meanwhile, cream's bad, salt's bad. There's been an attack on salt. I remember years ago reading a book, and I love this name, so I'm going to say it, Dr.

1:07:12Faradun Batman-Gellage. He wrote the book, The Body's Many Cries for Water, and then he wrote The Water and Salt Therapy. He was an Iranian medical doctor, prisoner of war, and he cured thousands of patients in prison from peptic ulcer disease and other conditions with water and salt. But it was never just water. He always used salt in there. And we have had this ridiculous attack on salt, just like on fat, when the Bible talks about being the light of the world, the salt of the earth. And the Bible says, if the salt loses its saltiness, it's not worth anything, throw it in the dung pile, which by the way, salt's a great fertilizer on top of it.

1:07:52We're seeing a resurgence in salt today, where people are using more of it, which is good, but they're not using the best quality salt. And so you and I talk about in the Biblio diet, in the salt of the earth section, what is the best salt, how to use it, and how could it help with overall health and vitality? Because a lot of conditions are due to dehydration and lack of minerals. Salt is a source of minerals, whether it's from the ocean or from a cave. and this idea of low fat, low salt, again, this is in the Christian Medical Dental Association and all these medical organizations, it's a bunch of nonsense.

1:08:33Yeah, yeah, yeah. So salt's amazing. I had somebody recently, and she was struggling with migraine headaches. She was struggling with joint pain. And I had her just start upping her salt and doing some hydration and completely gone, completely gone. So there's, I think I read a stat on 70 to 80 % of people are chronically dehydrated and they don't know it. I mean, and it's not in hydration is not just water. It's water plus electrolytes, especially sodium and potassium. And that's why when you're buying salt, you want to make sure you buy one that is a multi mineral salt. I mean, something that has sodium, but ideally has some other minerals in there, which is why I know you and I buy a lot of the same brands of salt and use those different types of salt on on a regular basis.

1:09:12So, yeah. And if you do want a good quality salt, there are now many good brands. Celtic Sea Salt, Baja Gold is good and some others. the key is get a whole mineral salt and a lot of times they are imported from other countries because they treat their salt like they treat their bread like they treat their wine like they treat their olive oil it's a shame we have almost no cultural history to food anymore but you can go around the world and people will talk about the salt the cheese the wine the olive oil like it's their kid oh yeah and i that's why we love going or their sourdough starter their sourdough start or forget about it.

1:09:50That is like a kid. But I do love when I hear people talk about healing foods. For example, olive oil we talk about in the book, and that's even something that's kind of been adulterated here in the United States. But I went to the Greek islands and a multi-generational olive oil orchard, and just listening to them talk about the fact that their extra virgin, wild olive oil is their medicine. And I came back and as part of our evening, I'll say, ritual at dinner, we quote Acts 1-8, which says we will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon us. And we say, we will be your witnesses, because I live in two locations in Nashville, Tennessee, and Birmingham, Alabama, and to all the ends of the earth.

1:10:34And then we chug between a tablespoon and an ounce of olive oil that we brought back from the Greek islands, because I I knew the quality. And that's another example of biblical medicine. Oh, yeah. I mean, olive oil is incredible. You know, when you look at the studies on fats and oils, there is no other oil out there that has the medical benefits of extra virgin olive oil. And another thing, you know, there is a misunderstanding on olive oil in cooking with it. You know, about 10 years ago, a study came out and said, hey, these are the smoke points of oils and olive oil's smoke point is lower.

1:11:13And so you shouldn't cook on it unless maybe it's very, very low heat for a short time. And there are more recent studies have come out and said it really depends on the quality of the olive oil. If you're doing a high quality extra virgin olive oil, the smoke is actually not an issue there. And actually, there are new studies showing it might be the best oil to cook with in a lot of cases. So anyways, I mean, extra virgin olive oil is probably the number one oil you should be using. It's better than avocado oil, in my opinion. It's better than, I even like it better than butter. It is my single favorite oil out there.

1:11:46And when you bite, it should taste green and spicy. My kids always are like, at the end, because the more bitter it is, the more beneficial. Here's a great, delicious treat. So take your sourdough bread. In my case, it's einkorn. take olive oil and put some spices and herbs in the olive oil, dip the einkorn sourdough bread in olive oil, and then put butter on it. There you go. That'll wake you up in the morning. That's so good. That's so good. Well, Jordan, I love this conversation. I know we're going to do more. I want to have you on a few more times because I really want to dive into healing cancer.

1:12:22I want to dive into how to heal gut issues and autoimmune issues. And I also want to do one on longevity where we get into, I actually have a question. I just want to sort of pose this. Don't answer it today. We're going to answer this in a future one. If Moses were here today giving food laws, what would make it and what wouldn't? Because there's so many things now that, you know, all these different additives in foods and certain foods have different levels of processing that were different from back then. What would he be saying today? So I'm interested to hear your take on that. I might have a costume for that one, Josh.

1:12:54Wow. Maybe you and I can both grow it. I know we both grow good beards. Yours is actually even thicker than mine. But, you know, we can do that in preparation. If I grow a beard today at almost 50, it will look like Moses. So we could go for it. That's true. Exactly. Well, I want to encourage everybody, check out the book. This is something Jordan and I poured our heart and our soul into. We really believe that God has a healing plan for your life and that no matter what you're struggling with today, autoimmune disease, hormone issues, even cancer, you can heal following God's wisdom. and we cover a lot of this in the book.

1:13:32And again, it's in bookstores nationwide, but also amazon.com. You can go out and order an early copy here of The Biblio Diet, Healing Secrets of the Bible. And it's also a great way to support Jordan, all the great work he's doing. So I wanna encourage you guys to get the book, The Biblio Diet, and maybe let your church know about it because we're gonna be doing a lot of programs in churches because we want to help people heal and get God's people healthy. So I wanna encourage you to maybe bring it up to your pastors as well. There's a lot of really well-known pastors and churches that are gonna be doing programs with this as well.

1:14:01I want to encourage you to do this. If you're not subscribed to the podcast, make sure to subscribe. We've got a lot more episodes coming out with Jordan. And if you're not subscribed, you're not going to know about him. Also, it's the number one thing you can do to support the channel is subscribe. It allows me to bring on more high-profile guests, do more episodes with world-oriented leaders like Jordan, Mark Hyman, so many others. So I want to just say thank you all for subscribing and share this. There are so many people that don't know the truth that the Bible is the greatest book ever written for everything, but also including for your health and for your family's health.

1:14:35And so I want to encourage you, hey, share this. More people need to know the truth about how to heal using the Bible as medicine. Well, hey, thanks so much for watching and listening here to the Dr. Josh Axe Show. I'll be back next week with another episode.

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