What Your Tongue Says About Your Health (Lyme, Mold, Candida, & More)

30:07And he's been doing this for two and a half, three years, and he's doing a lot of stuff. But again, to my point, I think that there are a lot of people today who, again, think about it. Did you get COVID and then afterwards, even now today, you're still not quite 100%. Yeah. It's a lot of people. I know we like to talk about Lord of the Rings and the whole idea like the Mountain of Doom where the eye is watching. It's surveillance. Exactly what happens with surveillance. And I just, it's a great point, Doc. One of my friends up in Wisconsin who does a lot of Lyme patients, he said that many of his patients are not healing from Lyme quick enough because they're finding long-haul COVID in their bodies.

30:46And he says, we're going to have to start cleaning up the viral component just so that their body can go back and attend to the Lyme infections. So if you did have COVID, you do have to go and address that. And even the Epstein-Barr, another one was the Cox-Sackie virus, the hand, foot, mouth. it's like a virus if you had it when you're a kid your body kind of adapts to it and it's like yeah yeah that's the hard part is now you don't have the energy to adapt and just keep those at bay and now they're just flushing up out of the body because the kovid I want to talk about and I want to get to long kovid I want to get to mold and some other things in parasites but before I do that what I want to kind of talk about sort of the the philosophical or sort of the the method of treatment that you use and the way you go thinking about taking care of these infections because um one of the things that a lot of doctors do especially in mainstream medicine if somebody has any bug here's an antibiotic or an antifungal or something like that it's just i mean that's that's the thing to do okay talk to me about why that may not work so well and what you do differently than uh than that because you you could have the same herbal philosophy it's like well i'm not going to use a conventional antibiotic or antifungal I'm going to use a natural antibiotic.

32:01Talk to me about sort of the philosophies of kind of that, you know, that, the second one, and then maybe even a third option, maybe the way that you practice. Yeah, they, one of the key indicator problems that I have is if somebody throws like an antibiotic or an antifungal is that the assumption is I'm going to kill off the infection so heavily and so quickly that the body somehow is able to take all the toxicity that that infection just created from popping open and going into your bloodstream and your lymph nodes and I can flush it out so then a person can have heavier symptoms and worse symptoms so the first thing that people come in I always check their drainage systems and when we talk about the colon and the kidney so that my philosophy is this I don't just give them an herb to kill off all their infections the first thing I do is always check if they're actually pooping and urinating and if they're sweating those are my three things because you can check don't bore hope this doesn't bore you to but like on the elbows we know this there's large intestine points on the elbows there's kidney points that are on the legs we I test those points and if those organs are not excreting the toxins I do not give them a heavy anti-fungal or and yeah indeed or any type of herb because if you think of this if you're killing all this stuff off but then your body's not able to flush it it's gonna sit in your system and cause toxicity issues more inflammation yes yes and when they when they do start to unravel and that's the first few treatments they start I give them herbs to help them start to get nourished so like we get there they're young sometimes they're yen just sort of nourish those balancing acts of the organ when I know that they're having proper bowel movements every day that are not so loose they still may have some looseness in it and if they're urinating frequently and they're not like having kidney pain then I'll start with the antimicrobials yeah so I start to kill off as much as I can but I always tell them let's do it gently and what will happen is if we start them on one of those herbs I was talking about and I tell them you shouldn't not you shouldn't feel like totally toxic and sick for the first two weeks like you can't get out of bed because you're so toxic when you start to get their body built up the herbs stay in the blood stay in the blood like it revolves it'll kill off the infections lightly and gently you keep them going to the bathroom really well then i'll go after the biofilms because the biofilms at times will keep the person from absorbing their vitamins and the minerals so if you're taking vitamins and minerals all day and you're not getting energy those infections will create films and they won't get into your body and your body can't use them so then after I start killing off the infections I start trying to flush out those biofilms out and that's probably my philosophy is as they start to get the biofilm out they'll then I'll go okay can we start absorbing vitamin D or vitamin B or vitamin C and explain what biofilms are for everybody biofilms depending on the microbe they will take the calcium in our body from your bones osteoporosis they'll take your iron they'll take your magnesium literally these microbes will take those absorb them and make a plaster like on the wall and then they get behind the plaster basically they create a protective shield around them yes and it's it's it's ingenious like they have that on the walls they hide behind it you take an antibiotic antibiotic runs right past them they're okay they're fine when you stop taking the antibiotic they come right back out and they say that that plaster is like the coral reefs of the sea they say they build them up and if you have one in your gut you could have them in your lungs you could have them in your brain and they say there's a quorum like a communication so if you take an herb they say through the through the actual plaster they can send a little signal down and say something's coming down the pipe you got to get ready get behind can i just tell you i mean mainstream medicine today it's so interesting because there are certain areas of it are so advanced.

35:39And then there are certain areas that a lot of these docs are just so uneducated. I mean, one of the issues today in mainstream medicine is that all of these doctors are essentially trained by the pharmaceutical industry. The pharmaceutical industry gives all the money to the schools, and then basically they're trained on, here's the drug to prescribe for this condition. And that's almost all they ever learn. I mean, of course, they understand biochemistry and a number of other things that they'll never use again. But again, do they actually go and learn about biofilms and about infections hiding and how to truly diagnose between very, very difficult conditions, between a real MS and between Babesia and mold toxicity?

36:22I mean, they really never learn it. They don't. Never learn it. And that's not to say that our training was that much different because we really had to learn this ourselves as well. Here's the reality. The best practitioners learned 99 % of how to truly help people outside of school. Experience teaches us. And I think that when we talk about learning about something in excess to help the people, it's where you and I have had experience with it. And a lot of times it's personal experience like you've gotten some sicknesses. You had to learn it to help the people. Yeah, it's so true. It's so true.

36:58So part of the philosophy I know, Chris, that you and I follow is that, okay, one, we need to change the internal environment. We're not just going to treat the infection itself. We're going to change the internal environment. We need to strengthen up the digestive and immune system and detoxification systems. That's one thing that needs to happen. We need to go and break down these walls, these protective barriers of biofilms. And we do need to kill the infection. but we also need to be able to be flushing it out the moment we kill it via having healthy bowel movements, sweating, your blood just moving enough, those sort of things, and urinating in all those different ways.

37:34So there really is a very specific protocol that needs to be followed in order to optimize healing. I had Dr. Rawls on recently, and we talked about this a little bit,

37:49that one of the things we talked about was so many people today, one of the first things he does is he gets people out of the fight or flight response. Yes. Because people are, when you're living in that state, your body is sending all of its blood flow and energy to the brain and to the extremities. Because think about it, if we were going to go and fight, if we had to truly, like our ancient ancestors or King David, fight a bear or a lion, you're either going to have to run or you're going to have to fight it. Yes. And you need every ounce of energy for focus. So blood going to one area of the brain and your extremities.

38:24It's not in your digestive tract. It's not in your liver. It's not in your organs. This is why people say you're either in fight or flight or rest and digest. And it's not just rest and digest. It's just organ function and healing. Your body's either protecting itself over here or it's healing and regenerating over here. And it's not in or somewhere in between. But you want to get in this state over here as much as you can. And so there's an element of with some people, one of the first steps he was sharing was getting the body out of that fight or flight state. Have you seen that yourself? And what are some things that you do, if that's the case, to start to help fix that issue?

38:59He is a very smart doctor. And I really like Dr. Rawls. You and I talked about it. It is probably one of the key points. You should get them out of the fight or flight. the hardest part with patients that have the hidden microbes is you and I've talked about the triple warmer and I'm just saying in Chinese medicine there's the gate from the kidneys when it pulls up energy like it's your battery pack and it can actually send energy electric electric energy through the three gates which is your digestion your reproductive and your heart and lungs and if you have one of those gates those entry points if they're locked down you are not going to get energy to the system to actually help you heal.

39:38So that's key. You have to get them out of the fight or flight response. And when he has one of his supplements, I really like, it has different forms of the ashwagandha and he actually put like basil in them. These different types of herbals that actually will actually calm down your system. Because if I'm in a hyperactive state, like you just said, and all the blood is in certain areas of my body because I'm in constant fight or flight, it's going to be a very hard time for your digestive system to cleanse out Lyme disease. It's going to be hard for your ovaries. It's going to be hard for your bladder to actually release them.

40:09And I tell my patients, and this sounds pretty simple, but do you ever breathe through your stomach? And they go, what? And I breathe through your stomach. Yeah, diaphragmatic breathing. Diaphragmatic breathing. Can you get to a point where, I hate to say, you know when you go to the restroom, you relax to where you go to the restroom? Do you ever feel like you could relax your lower pelvic bowl to get to that point? And most 100 % of the patients that have Lyme disease, they'll go, no, I don't actually have constipation. And that would tell me that they are hyper in that state of fight or flight.

40:40So true. And they're so afraid. And you and I know this. Like, it's sad because usually in Chinese medicine, we know the kidneys and the bladder are all about fear. And most of those individuals, either they're in constant fear mode or they actually feel like they're controlled or they feel like they are always on constant worry and will not heal. Well, this is one of the reasons why a lot of people can't heal and infections overtake them in the first place. Childhood trauma. Oh, yeah. And just negative thoughts and an imbalance of unhealthy emotions. You know, because you and I both know in Chinese medicine, and it's not just Chinese medicine, this is just a fact.

41:17Different emotions impact different organ systems and different thoughts. So if somebody had an abuse from the past, they were abused. They might be living with shame and guilt. That's going to affect the immune system. So their colon, all their microbes, their lungs are affected. If somebody is angry about the abuse they've experienced, maybe verbally, somebody was verbally, maybe they were bullied in school and they're mad about it today. That's going to cause the liver to be backed up. And that, of course, will cause constipation. So that's another part of healing I think that's so often overlooked when it comes to all conventional medicine and all natural medicine is actually going and healing the sort of mental and spiritual things that have happened during our lifetimes.

42:00I think with patients that come in and start to clean out the Lyme, when I do analysis, we do the tongue analysis, we do pulse analysis. And you're right. When I look and find like a person comes in and that has congested liver, chronic congested liver, like their liver areas are very tender right here. The points on their tongue for the liver are very swollen and very red. This part of their spine related liver is inflamed. The thing is I will ask them, are you angry or are you resentful or frustrated? it and 100 of them go yes and there's a few that will say well i don't really feel angry and they're suppressing it they're suppressing it you go okay and then you start cleaning up like that process and they'll go doc you know what you said i was angry and i had a dream the other night and i was angry and i woke up saying oh i'm mad at my dad it happens all the time yeah and then i think that's the journey it's like yes you have a physical element but really it's showing you that that trauma when you're a young person was one of the key routes of holding that liver at, you know, in that state, causing those infections to get there.

43:04And the most powerful thing that people can do, I think, is kind of threefold when it comes to getting out of that fight or flight state. One is addressing that past childhood trauma. I mean, that's something, again, that I don't really know very many that are going and actually doing that with patients as well. But again, I think that thing of going, and maybe that's working with a counselor, maybe it's a psychologist or somebody, but it's actually going and working through. One of the great ways to do this is writing it out. Write out, hey, here's what still bothers me today. Write out your past.

43:35Just spend some time writing and journaling it out. Because just bring it to mind. That's kind of step one is, what are those thoughts today or things that have happened in the past or recently in my lifetime that I'm not okay with that really bother me? and then thinking through and working with somebody else on, okay, maybe I need to go and forgive people. Maybe I need to be forgiven and ask for forgiveness from God. So there's a number of things there to address those things. And also, what is that thing that's on replay in my mind, that memory? And maybe there's a lie that you believe about yourself too that's damaging your identity, your self-esteem, and your value.

44:12Go and replace that with a new empowering belief and And find that in the Bible. I mean, that's the ultimate source of truth. And so I think that's one aspect that will allow people to get out of that fight or flight state. The other one is just healthy habits, living in tune with nature, walking outside. When the sun comes up, we're supposed to be getting up. Get that cortisol. No blue light at bed, right? At least an hour before, ideally two. Turn off the TV, put on those orange or yellow glasses and read a book, listen to an audio book, connect with the person in front of you. You build that heart channel.

44:46And the third one is, what we've been talking about, use some of these adaptogenic herbs. Use some of these calmers. I really like, as you mentioned, in Ayurveda, the ashwagandha and holy basil are amazing. Chinese medicine, they used a lot of reishi for this, maybe even things like shisandra, lemon balm, those things that are sort of calming to the body. I love it. But yeah, I think that if somebody is going to experience, and I think the thing that I know that I respect so much about you, And one of the reasons I know that we've become good friends, one, I love your sense of humor, too. But the other thing is, I think we kind of see medicine the same way.

45:19If somebody is going to heal, they don't need one medication, and they don't even need one supplement. They need an entire protocol that addresses their diet, their supplementation, their lifestyle, holistic treatments, even some things emotionally, stress and sleep-wise, to fully heal. And I discovered this when my mom had cancer. When my mom had cancer, I said, you know what? I am going to do everything I can, pouring my heart and soul into helping my mom survive. And I'm not only going to work with her on diet, I'm going to do everything. And so I said, okay, we're going to go and we're going to change her diet.

45:55She did kind of a mixture of Gershon plus Chinese medicine plus some Budwig protocol. It was juice vegetables, lots of steamed vegetables, liver and salmon and some of those lots of herbs. We did a lot of turmeric. We did a lot of reishi mushroom, lots of probiotics my mom also we worked on her fear and worry like my mom started reciting bible verses every day like she had 20 verses she said over and over and over again my mom to help reduce stress she had a horse when she was a kid she went and started going to this horse farm a mile from our house riding horses several days a week and she went and forgave people she did all of those things together simultaneously and she was able to cure and completely heal of cancer when her doctor gave her almost no chance of living.

46:41And so I share that to say, but because of our experience, because you were the very same way in order to heal your Lyme disease and your Babesia, it was, I'm going to not just take a summit. I'm going to put on a full-on protocol that's going to allow me to heal. And the problem is the average doctor visit today is seven minutes. There is no way a doctor could see somebody one time for seven minutes and put together an entire protocol to help them completely heal. That's where our entire medical system is so broken today because it's all about money and it's all about how quickly we can get people through.

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48:34We hear it all the time like we're a holistic unit. And I think more and more as I work with a patient with a hidden infection, you start cleaning it out. And to me, I always find it's like uncovering. So just uncover that emotional connection and uncover that spiritual connection. And people, in some ways, they'll feel like literally disconnected from God or disconnected from their family members. And they really have held on to that for so long. And I would never have gotten to that if I'd have just kept hitting the microbes and just kept killing off the infections. I would never have found that out.

49:08So talking with them and listening to those little nuances. And when we do any types of conversation with our clients or patients, they'll tell you little small things like, oh yeah, I was really angry at my mom when I was younger. And I'm like, hmm, really? And then you listen to those things. And if you do that in seven minutes, I need to learn that technique because I wish I could learn that quickly. I've had patients. I know you have too. I've known them for years, and finally you uncover something emotionally or traumatic, and it finally shows through. And thankfully, now in our realm, I don't just say, okay, we're going to fix the Babesia and the Lyme disease.

49:47My mind is also thinking, okay, what is structural trauma you had? And what is your emotions? And what's your relationship with God? And I'm glad that now we ask those questions. Because it's not in the industry today. Yeah. I've always thought about like this, like being a physician, my goal is not to, it's so interesting. I came out of school and a lot of practitioners would say things like, well, if you're, whether somebody is an MD or a DC or a DO or a naturopath, whatever it is, it's like, just stay in your lane. My thought has always been very much, I will do anything I possibly can. My goal is to help somebody heal.

50:24That's my goal. And if I have to use supplements, if I have to use red light therapy, if I have to tell people to sunbathe or fast or go deeper with God, I'm going to use that to help them heal. And that's really the big focus there. I know that you have worked with people in this capacity to help them understand more emotional healing. Talk to me about what are some of the conditions or issues that crop up when somebody has an issue, either mother wounds or father wounds, that relationship with their parents and how those two type of wounds and they're different, that sort of bad male relationship or bad female relationship impacts people.

51:04No, and the most of the I guess I'd say like the majority like they'll say like even in German medicine or Germany medicine or in Chinese medicine that The male aspect of the brain like the the basically is the the left Logic centers that has to do with your internal response how you internalize information how you process And that left brain connects with the right side of the body now I don't want to get too entail because it can get a little overwhelming But the right side has to do with your outward expressions how you emotionally represent yourself and that go with the female and that controls the left side of your body.

51:34So you can have different sides of the body have different symptoms. Like some individuals say, I always have problems on my right side, like my right shoulder and my right hip. And I tell them that possibly is going to be towards your father. And so then you'll look back and ask them about the father wound and you'll ask them, did your father ever had a shoulder problem? Yes, he did. He always had a shoulder issue. Then you and I would go, okay, let me look at your tongue. And what I'll do is I'll palpate what area of the shoulder and I'll find it's a large intestine issue. This is how it goes with father wounds.

52:05Okay. So I'll palpate. Oh, it's a large intestine meridian. That's very tender and very sore. I'll then go, did your dad ever have problems with his digestive system? Oh yeah. My dad was always constipated. He always had issues. He always had to go to the bathroom really quick. This is the kicker. Father wounds. The colon has to do with your grief because it's a large intestine, a lot of grief, but it has to do with control. So this is an example. So I'll say, did your dad control your life? And they'll go, yep, he controlled my life. He controlled every aspect. He controlled the way I thought.

52:34And then you'll start saying, okay, that's held up in your colon. And it's just initiating that DNA connection you have with your dad because he went through the same wounds too. And when you had that father wound, I said, your shoulder is not, you could have Lyme disease in your shoulder. I guarantee it. You can have it in there. But if you don't get that colon and that emotion from that father wound out of your body, you're always going to have shoulder issue. And this is where I think, you know, it's so interesting. The Bible talks about people being affected, whether it's a curse or other things, to the third and fourth generation.

53:04And actually, there is a study came out recently that kind of confirmed that people epigenetically are impacted for that many generations when things happen. Now, here's the good thing. You still are in control to where you can break off that generational curse or that problem, but you need to go to God, to Jesus, and say, Lord, forgive me. Lord, I've got this issue. I'm holding on to this resentment towards my Father. I forgive him. I forgive him completely. I pray for healing in this area. I think doing that is so, so powerful. And it's something I don't even think really the church does enough today, really going and looking at.

53:41Church today, for a lot of people, I think it's not what it was supposed to be. I think oftentimes it's, I'm going to go one hour a week, and I'm going to go and sing, and I'm going to go and learn. And I think that's great. You go for an hour, and you worship God, and you learn some good life lessons. But overall, I was reading the book of James here. I just listened to the audio Bible on a flight I was on just this week. And there's a book in James, or in the Bible, that says, if you're sick, go to the elders of your church, have them lay their hands on you, and have them pray for you for healing and have them anoint your head with oil.

54:19That's what it says. How many people actually do that today where they go, if they're sick, they actually go to someone at the church, an elder of some sort, have them do just that? I mean, I don't want to say never, but it's less than 1%. I mean, it's a very, very low number, but that's what the Bible tells us to do. So I think there are so many things we carry, so many wounds, so much hurt, so much shame, so much guilt, and we need to bring that to God if we're truly going to be feeling, truly going to be healed. And, but, but, but I think that if the church would initiate that more and do that more, it would be so, so powerful for, for people to experience even a higher level of healing.

54:57Because what happens, the reality is most people just, you and I both know this, most people are just not aware, aware of it. It's kind of like, I'm trying to remember the movie. It's actually Talladega Nights with, with Will Ferrell. Yeah. And I forget his, his partner in the movie that his racing buddy, but it's played by John O 'Reilly. And he's like, Hey, maybe I'd like to win sometime. And then Will Ferrell's essentially like, you know that feeling? He's like, what I want you to do is just stuff it way deep, deep down, deep down where you never see it or we ever talk about it again. He's like, all right.

55:32But in reality, that's what most people are doing today with their child. And a lot of this is generational. I think it's actually less with Gen Millennials and Gen Z. Like our parents' generation, it's like stuff it deep, deep down under the rug or in the closet where you never see it again. But those things fester, they create disease, and they create an environment where your body becomes sick. So you were talking about father wounds. That's connected to the immune system in Chinese medicine and German new medicine and the bowels and constipation, those issues. So if you struggle with chronic constipation, as Dr.

56:09Motley's been talking about, go and look. Do you have wounds with your father? How is the relationship there? Do you need to forgive? Do you need to just think about what he, you know, go and heal that issue. Now, the other one is mother wounds. Now, you said this. This is so interesting. It happens on the left to right side of the body. Why would a woman get breast cancer on one side or the other side? They would say that in the German medicine, because the activity of the breast is to lactate and produce milk for their offspring, so that when the overgrowth of any type of mass or tumor, that's what they would say, is that it starts to grow, is because there's a signal from the brain, depending on the side of the brain, that's initiated saying, we need to produce milk for our offspring.

56:52We need to help them survive. So it's the motherly aspect of it. It's the mothering. Some women do not get out of that mothering aspect. They stay in that, basically that program all their life. Now, this could happen if it was on the right side, could be like the father, fathering aspect of it. They didn't feel nourished or supported or cared by their father. If it was the left side, it could be the mother did not care for them or did not show that. So they have a program like, I'm going to take care of my kids so much better. Can I tell you what's so interesting? My mom had breast cancer on her left side, and her relationship with her mom was terrible.

57:32My mom had an amazing relationship with her father. Amazing. But her mother, even today, actually my grandmother is 96, about to turn 97. I told you. We're still dealing with issues. My grandmother has anger issues. She's still at 97. She got in trouble. I don't want to say. I want to honor her. And she was so nurturing to me growing up. But with my mom, there were some real battles. But my mom developed breast cancer on that side. I've also heard on if you have breast cancer on the right side, it's connected to the father. Part of that is also not setting up boundaries in your life. Oh, man, yes.

58:10And when they don't have boundaries, the hardest part for, they say, one when they do start to develop it, that the boundary is not there. And they'll overcare. Like your mom's overly careful. And we understand that because that's the caring aspect. But they'll say it's like the mother eagle finally pushing her baby out of the nest. If you're still a mother who cares for your family, and I love that, but they always are worried. Like I hope even when they're adult kids, they'll just keep worrying. Like I hope they're okay. It's initiating that program all the time. Yeah. I'll tell you another one I heard with breast cancer on the right side is not being in touch with the feminine side because maybe there was an unhealthy relationship with men.

58:49Yeah. You know, so there's some things. So I know some, there's different thoughts in German new medicine and Chinese medicine on some of those causes. But again, there's a reason why it's on one side and not the other. And it's very connected to your emotional health and your state. And man, it's so important. I want to head on a few other infections here as well. Let's talk about long COVID. Yeah, long COVID. this impacted people's body so differently than other types of respiratory infections in the past. In fact, what did you see? How was COVID-19 specifically and turning it along COVID different as a viral infection compared to maybe the other viruses people were getting, like other coronaviruses, colds, and flus over the years?

59:35The biggest key for me was that when it infected the tissues of the lungs and the heart, the biggest word that comes to my mind is evasive. It was able to evade detection very well and to the point where there were times when it would show or present a symptom like a heart issue or a lung issue. And even with my testing or sending them off, they may not even show a high amount of COVID. They would always say something like it's an old flu virus or it was an old Epstein-Barr. Yes, it initiated and caused them to come up, but they weren't showing COVID. And then if the later on, later on, like maybe a year later, they'd go back and say, I have a higher amount of COVID in my body.

1:00:17To me, it was evasive. And that hard part was this, that when they – this is what they say in research, that when it attached to all the receptors in the lungs and heart, that they can weasel their way into the cells really deeply and they just camp out there. And they're able to basically rob you of your nutrients, of course. But they're so opportunistic. And what they say they're really good at is that they're able to change our DNA. they're changing our our cells response so people are having these this virus in certain tissue not just the lung and heart but many tissue it's just going all over the body and it's actually changing some genetic structure and when you say when they get weak the hardest part is that the person is already weakened from it hiding out this whole time and it makes them for me chinese medicine the lung and the heart the blood the clean blood the vitality of the blood people are having thicker blood, sludgy blood, and they're saying, you know what?

1:01:11Literally healthy adults, our age group, they're coming to me saying, I've got worse cholesterol. Three or four months ago, I had no cholesterol problems. I'm having cholesterols in the 250, 260s. What's the matter? And they have sludgy blood, and then they're having hidden COVID. Well, and the thing about the cases of myocarditis, how much more prevalent that is. Actually, I don't know if you could look this up, but there was a, my wife told me a study yesterday. She said, did you know how many young men died of myocarditis in the past, you know, five years versus how many died in the 50 years prior.

1:01:45It's something like more died in the past five years from these types of heart issues than they did in the 50 years prior, all due to COVID. I mean, it's so much higher. And what's alarming is that when they, I saw a report, a couple of doctors, I think they were near Stanford. They said that when the virus attaches to, like they say, an ACE receptor, the ACE receptor in your body is there to help you with angiotensin. So what happens, it'll block the receptor. It blocks receptor. You can't attract your nutrients to the receptor site to go into your cell to help you with proper angiotensin. And so they start having higher blood pressure and then they get the thick blood.

1:02:24It's a recipe for disaster. And that's what a lot of people don't realize. That's another thing that a lot of these infections do, whether it be parasites or certain viruses, is they will go and block receptor sites of cells to where your body can't now absorb iron, zinc, magnesium. A lot of minerals are not absorbed in the body due to a lot of these chronic infections. But yeah, long COVID is one where making that bloody sticky, making it toxic. And this is why a lot of the traditional things, they work, but not near as well. Most of the time, people would recommend maybe an echinacea or an elderberry or vitamin C for the common cold or flu.

1:03:00And this time it's really, no, we need to be recommending things that help change the blood. I saw early on like galangal was working very well for people. Natokinase as another one. You know, some things to really help break up and move the blood along was really kind of the key there. You talked about this in one of your former podcasts, and I was really interested. You were talking about like natto, natokinase. We're talking about like a lot of individuals with Japan were not getting the same symptoms because they ate tons of natto. And they were eating tons of seaweed. And some of those individuals never got a high amount of at all.

1:03:31Loads of wild fish with omega-3 is another one that's going to help with the blood there. And there's one Scandinavian country, I can't remember. They were saying that since they had such high mackerel and had such high good fish quality, and they were taking those and was making their blood smoother, they were hardly having any signs or signals of COVID issues. Yeah. And so I think for people with long COVID, it's all about healing the blood. And I also think mitochondrial health. There's really damaged mitochondria. People with long COVID will tend to have their energy really in the tank, so really going after doing some of those adaptogens that are great.

1:04:03I mean, I like schisandra a lot for it and rhodiola, some of those things for long COVID. What are some of the things you've done for patients with long COVID? I usually put them on, like herbals. I like to put them on sometimes a mixture of like ginkgo biloba, maybe a little ginger. Ginger is good for the blood. Great idea. Sometimes papaya enzymes. So I try to get those natural. And I'm like you, I'll take a nat-or or a cat-or. One of the things I like of the papaya enzymes is it's going to help get rid of the senescent cells and break up and heal the blood. That's a great idea. And when you add in the seropeptase or the lumbar kinase, any of those, I'll put those two in there.

1:04:38And sometimes, like with schisandra, that mixture of those with schisandra has been a very good game changer for my patient. It literally loosens up their blood. So they'll start to loosen up the blood, flush those old dead red blood cell particles. They're floating around because they're injured. And so they'll use papaya, body use papaya, the enzymes. It'll degrade them down, dissolve them. Your natural cells will eat them up, put them into your poop basically after a while. And then when I get that cleaned up, I'll put them on a little hawthorn, like a hawthorn berry. And it starts to give some strength to the heart, maybe some sage.

1:05:10Get their heart stronger. And then I'll try to use antivirals. So I get the blood clean, get it flowing, and basic ones. Olive leaf is really good and astragalus. We love astragalus. I'll get them astragalus and olive leaf. And you put higher amounts. At least we get a higher amount of those viruses out of the way. Now, I know there's different. They use NAC. They'll use different glutathione. But for me, it's building the strength of the blood really well and then using like the olive leaf and astragalus to start really stopping the replicating of the virus and flushing them out. Those are my two big keys for that.

1:05:43That's great. Mold's another issue that I know that we've seen continue to increase over the years, especially in a lot of the southern. It's really all over. It's all over. You know, I remember when we had the flooding in Nashville. This is about maybe 12 years ago, 13. But so many patients coming in with issues with chronic mold toxicity. What is some of the things? How does somebody with mold toxicity present? And what are some things you do to help them? I usually find people that have high mold. They'll have, this is the general, achy joints, really bad achy joints, fibromyalgia. You have fibromyalgia, achy joints.

1:06:17You go into a building, and it doesn't mean the building's infected, but maybe it does have mold. They'll find out that they can't go in their house anymore because they're getting lightheaded, foggy headed. They cannot concentrate, so they have the fibromyalgia, cannot think straight. They usually have an episode where they feel very dizzy and they're getting vertigo. Those are my big keys. So they get the joint body pain. Other thing is this. They will act like they have a concussion. Like they will have concussive type symptoms. They literally, I'll ask them, did you have a concussion? I don't remember having a concussion.

1:06:48I'm like, okay. So then they'll have memory loss. Most all mold people will have some form of memory loss. I can't remember what happened yesterday. They can have one Lyme disease too, but those are my big mixtures. And when I find out that they have any type of memory loss, I'll get a mold test and they'll usually show for like aflatoxins or some type of, they'll have a gliotoxin of some sort. I just had a patient the other day, and so he's been high-impact sports, but he had pretty bad concussions. And we've done everything for him. And the biggest thing that came back, he just got a test. He had off-the-chart mold toxicity.

1:07:21Like, it was up in the 9 ,500 percentile, and he was having severe memory loss. He couldn't remember where he put his keys. He didn't know where to drive. He couldn't go anywhere. So people were going, I don't know if I need to turn left here on the road or turn right. When you have those kind of symptoms with the fibromyalgia and the joint, go to mold. Look in the mold. and you know you and I've talked about remediation this is how severe it can be you could be clean and okay in your body of some sort but may have a little bit of mold hanging out but then you go into a house and it has mold spores and what happens you breathe it in and it activates the whole system again and then you start having all these symptoms because the old mold starts to pull up and I've had patients where I thought I was very smart like oh we found this we found this and they got come to find it was mold all over the system because there's so much construction here too.

1:08:09And it's just breathing up in the dirt too. Yeah. Well, one of the things I know that's really, it's important with all these infections, but maybe the most, it's very, very important with mold. And that is taking binders or something to allow your body to excrete it from the system because there's 24 % of the population, they have a genetic variant that doesn't allow them to detox mold very well. It's very similar like the MTHFR gene, but for mold detox specifically. What are some things you like to use to help people, you know, any herbs or other compounds or products to help cleanse and heal the body from mold issues?

1:08:43The hardest part about the mold toxins is the way it can attach and get into like the major filters because they can congest and they don't want to be excreted. The hardest part is that they are very, they bind so well to all the lipids and the bile and the gut. So the first thing is I always try to clear the liver and the bile ducts because they will recirculate in the bile. They'll go down to your colon, they'll recirculate in your blood, and they'll just keep recirculating. So I always do schisandra. I will schisandra berry to clean out the bile. And then one's called chancapedra, but it's like the stonebreaker, stonebreaker herb.

1:09:16Oh, yeah. That will loosen up all that congestion. So I'll say schisandra and stonebreaker herb to start cleaning it out. There's glutathione. I'll throw in glutathione if we need it to, and maybe NAC, depending on that. And those are like some of my big flowers. And then I always tell we got to get the body to poop we got to get you colon pooping so i will usually put something like a mimosa pudica the most like the orange you know the drink yeah that will get like the sludge the parasite stuff to move out of the colon so those are my first avenues and then with mold straight like we talked about it not only works for yeast but i'll get them on skullcap skullcap is like if you put a high amounts of skullcap with those others they'll flush really well and there's there's other things we could put on selenium we could put them on molybdenum but i don't get that complicated but those skull cap and those other herbs are really good yeah yeah one other mineral that's good is this magnesium you know if you're if you're dealing with constipation doing some magnesium doing a tablespoon of cod liver oil or flax oil something like that to get the bowels moving there's an old and i remember i'm trying to remember who who uh i used to have patients that they had constipation it might have been hold the clark this is an old kind of um they would do either carrot juice or prune juice along with a tablespoon of cod or flax oil and about 500 milligrams of like a you know high quality magnesium and then probiotics but like doing some of those things flush it out yeah yeah just really you know good flush doing a lot of like peeled apples it's such a great website people with holda clark this is what i tell individuals, she would always say like the big three.

1:10:51She would say clove, wormwood, and black walnut. She says, you take those three together. Parasites. But I found this, she said, like I was reading, it said, well, if you had yeast or mold in your bladder, you can take those and they're flushed out. And so I just tell people, you could look, use those three to, it'll kill off stuff. So if anyone's ever looked up online how to do a gallbladder cleanse and they did the, Do you ever do the classic gallbladder cleanse? I mean, literally drank a cup of olive oil and like three cups of lemon juice or something like that. It's so high. And then you lay on your right side.

1:11:25And in the morning you pass. And I did that once or twice in my day. But that was Holda Clark. I mean, she was the person who created that liver cleanse protocol, I believe. And that maybe some of you have done at some point. Oh, my goodness. And you know what? I think it's a good cleanse to do once or twice. The other thing sometimes you'll do is you'll fast and only drink or eat peeled apples or just cold-pressed apple juice. Or veggie juice is something she does sometimes if you want to do kind of like the more advanced version of that to help flush out stones. But I like doing that, but only if you're going to do all the other things as well, like stop eating fast food and all the processed oils and take some of the things you were sharing.

1:12:09Last thing I want to talk about is parasites. You know, this is something that more, the reality is more people have infections than they realize. I mean, almost everybody has some sort of infection that's causing some type of problem in their body, whether it be candida or long COVID or parasites. Talk to me a little bit about parasites and then what are some things you do to help heal parasitic issues? Parasites, first thing, I always try to find like, maybe like a possible origin. So we know like you can get parasites from your fruits and vegetables if they're not really clean properly. You can get them from lakes and rivers.

1:12:43You can get them from tap water. You can get them from people. You can get them from pets. You can get parasites pretty much. Pork. You can get them from foods. Shrimp. You can get them from crab meat. Salmon. You can get them from many things. With parasites, those herbs I just mentioned are really good. But I'll give you my top. I mean, I love, I mean, clove really works well. Wormwood. I do like black walnut. And then a Nyurvedic herb is Vidanga, like video game, Vidanga and Artemisia. Those are like top five. You don't take them all, but Artemisia is really good for protozoa parasites like Giardia.

1:13:16The Vidanga is good for roundworms. So when a patient comes in and they have, if you have off and on bloating plus diarrhea or constipation, diarrhea, and bloating after you eat or even after you drink a cup of water and you bloat out, you feel it right here. or if you're losing weight and you stop losing weight but you feel puffy around the lower pelvic area that's parasites in my opinion so i usually will start them off with usually two anti-parasitics so my top two would be artemisia and probably black walnuts so i get them started on that and then i cut out all the sugars you you can't the sugars will feed them and you'll feel them move around if you eat too much sugars and so when i go to that protocol i make sure that with the But wormwood, it will really nourish to help them poop out really well.

1:13:59But even Colter Clark would say take mimosa and help them sort of get the sludge out of there. So that protocol you just talk about, get them pooping and get them those two herbs. And a binder. A binder is really good. You have to do like a charcoal binder or – I'm not promoting any brands, but there's different binders out there that you can take at night to help bind up the toxin. If you do just those simple herbs, you'll make profound difference. Because they have really big lifespans. they can stay along i i got another story that i had a patient um and this is seriously she had she lived in uh i think it was in mexico she said that they were so poor unfortunately that her parents they had to eat what they could and they would drink a lot of water from like the ricks and rivers and they that's how they lived and she would had anxiety severe anxiety like to the point where she's like she couldn't work anymore she called me we started working on her so i started own bedanga i did some artemisia just simple herbs and then for three months straight and she'd report to me online she'd say hey three months straight i've been releasing worms and i was like okay she says to the point where almost 10 to 14 inches daily and this is for three months and i'm not i was like are you sure he goes no she goes i have pictures like i don't want to see the pictures It's okay.

1:15:18But they overlap and they just, and they bind. And when they get scared, they'll lay eggs and they can lay up to 10 ,000 eggs at a time if they want to. I had a staff member and, uh, and she went on a trip somewhere and came back. And I remember she came out, she, we were in the, I was in my practice and she came out and was like so freaked out because, you know, she had a bowel movement and then she, and there, she had, you know, parasites and, uh, it was. Oh, that's exactly. When they get scared and they're like, I mean, thankfully. I want to mention that not everybody, like you can have parasites and most often you're not going to see it.

1:15:57You won't see them hardly at all. You have to have a really, really bad parasitic infection in a very specific type in order to actually see it. You won't usually see it. So it doesn't mean you don't have it there. But yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people who are struggling. And here's the thing with all these infections, whether it be a parasite or even candida, I mean, the sooner you take care of it, the better. And you do want to address it. You know, I have a cousin who we had on the show. His name is Dr. Pete Sulak. Yeah. Was diagnosed with an astrocytoma type like glioblastoma brain tumor.

1:16:30And we believe and several doctors believe that he'd been doing mission trips to India and Pakistan for the past 20 some years. and they believe a big part of why he got brain tumors is because he had a parasite. And by the way, there's a lot of medical literature on this, that if you have a parasite, your chance of getting cancer goes up dramatically, specifically brain tumors. So the earlier, if you have a parasite, you want to do everything you can to start addressing these infections and healing them as soon as you possibly can and not wait because it's like this, like your immune system is powerful.

1:17:06It can fight one person. Yep. But if it's also if it's fighting Epstein-Barr and Lyme and parasites and then cancer cells come in, it just it gets overwhelmed. And so, yeah, that's the hard part. Like when the brain tissue, it's like I always tell people when you get a parasite and this is not to be scary, just as if parasite gets your body, it always goes to the place where it has the most sugars and the most proteins. And where's your sugars? It's up in your brain. And you and I, this is what we're telling. This is what's so interesting. The one thing they found that was by far the most effective for treating brain tumors was a ketogenic diet.

1:17:42Wow. Going no sugar. Wow. To your point. That's amazing. So like Dr. Pete today, he's on keto. And he'll be on keto for maybe the rest of his life just because of that very same thing. They always go to the areas that have the most sugars and some proteins. So that's why parasites will either go to your brain. They'll go to the joints because the joints have the ligaments. And they'll go to your intestines because you've got car. Totally. They munch on it. But to the point where I think it's really great when a practitioner finds out, like, what's a major hidden infection? Like if somebody come to me and they had a really high case of Lyme or a pair, you clean that up.

1:18:18And just like you just said, if you clean out the one that's really drawing all their attention, it'll release the immune system. The immune system will start going, oh, I got this other guy, and I'll go kill. So you just clean. It's not like you have to kill every single one of them. You just got to get the biggest ones out of the way, and usually your immune system starts nailing it. Yeah, listen, you're always going to have some infections. Your body can handle it, but those big guys that start to overtake things, you got to address. You got to address the ones that are just taking up the most space, and that's why I think that now whenever you start to see more dementia, Alzheimer's, it's sad to me because, like, you know, my mom had health issues, and I had to keep her in assisted living for a while, and she's back with me now.

1:18:56But the thing was, you know, there's patients that are having Alzheimer's or dementia. I'm not saying they have parasites in their brain, but what are they feeding them in there? They're feeding them like just sugars and just sweet tea. And if they have an infection, it's just feeding them. And it's releasing all that toxin and causing those issues to come out, in my opinion. Well, this is where we just, you know, we needed a complete change to our whole medical system. And I am encouraged because it is very different. I mean, 20 years ago, when I started practice or so, I guess 18, 19, and you're a couple years more than I have, you know natural medicine wasn't as popular today it's overtaking mainstream medicine I think eventually will and so it's exciting that we're finally now getting more and more to the root cause of so many of these conditions but Dr.

1:19:40Chris this will be great thanks so much for coming on today I hope you've enjoyed this conversation you know Dr. Chris is one of the world's leading experts in infections all the things we talked about and so it's been a real pleasure And I know both Dr. Chris and I are working with the Health Institute, where we have a team of practitioners that are practicing the way that we've taught them to in terms of getting to the root of the problems, recommending diet and supplements and numerous other things there as well. And Dr. Chris has his own podcast that's wonderful called the Ancient Health Podcast.

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