Why Your "Identity" is Preventing Your Physical Healing

24:37And you would have isolated yourself from anyone who could have been like, hey, you sure that's a good idea? Do you want to rethink that? Because you're a lone wolf, right? So there's, of course, that's part of what makes it a spectrum. There are specific points that tend to have better outcomes as adults. What's interesting about true, I think, biblical parenting principles, they are intended to spit you out on the middle left, which interestingly enough, that is where the top 1 % of all performers in every sort of organization, company, entrepreneurship, even within a C-suite structure, all of the best of the best, because I've scanned a lot of people, they all cluster right in the center left.

25:19So I think God was onto something when it was decided these are the inputs that create an output that makes sense. Because there's the sweet spot. you naturally on the left don't really care what other people think in essence if you were raised properly and you do have faith you care what god thinks but virtually everybody else you know does it does it really matter and because you're somewhat of a lone wolf balanced you can still collaborate you still let people around you and typically when you're in that center left because you're self-contained you show up as a leader right so you're not alone because people want to follow you.

25:56And a person that's kind of in that center left, they're also typically not skewing toward protective anger or being aggressive. They typically know how to be balanced and diplomatic. So there is this sweet spot. And when I do this work for corporations, those are usually places that we're actively trying to hire and recruiting. And slight left, some of this is connected to being more right left brain in terms of, you know, you're able to be analytical. You're able to think in terms of structures and patterns and some of those things that I think are really, really important. I wanna kind of weave this now into how this impacts our health.

26:34And I'm thinking about this with patients and everybody listening in terms of, one of the things that happens oftentimes is some people really follow through and some people don't follow through, right? So some people, they start to have it and they keep with it. and a lot of people start and then they stop four days in or two weeks in, they're not able to keep up with it. What are some of those things that people can do in order to create healthy habits and stick with them? And ultimately, why do healthy habits fail with so many people? In brain pattern mapping, we track nine markers to determine how that client perceives reality.

27:14So in essence, how their perception is distorted. In my work, I call it the neurocognitive funnel. If we look at the interplay between emotion, behavior, and perception, I look at it as perception being upstream of emotional response and then emotional response being upstream of behavior, right? And I think a lot of times in the traditional mental health field, you're talking about behavior around behavior, right? You're trying to mitigate the behavior by telling them to do another behavior, which I think is fundamentally flawed because they're not acknowledging really. if we can correct the perception that's actually initiating that sort of biochemical response of emotion, the client's going to potentially have different choices available to them.

27:56And we're going back to that circle. So what you're talking about are three markers that we look at for emotion and four markers that we look at for chronological behavior. Let me mention this as an example so I think people can get this. So when my mom was diagnosed with cancer, for many years, she felt like a victim. And later on over time and spending time in God's word and just sort of meditating on it, she was able to shift her perspective to, you know what? I'm grateful I had cancer. I have a better relationship with my husband. I've learned to cherish every moment of the day. I saw God work a miracle in my life.

28:32I'm grateful to be alive. And so she had this really perspective shift and literally I can see how it changed everything about her and her sticking with things and everything. And so to your point, there's a lot of people out there who are still seeing themselves in victim mode. They've put a label on themselves. And to your point, that's the highest upstream. It's like you have to fix those identity issues or your thoughts never change. It's so accurate. And there are a couple interesting things about what you just shared about mom. Number one, when you're praying and you're in the word, we actually know that you're moving yourself into your prefrontal cortex.

29:03So she's actually getting herself out of whatever sort of amygdala reactive response she's having, woe is me. Why do things like this always happen to me? That is what's functionally happening when you are both praying and reading the word, right? You're shifting yourself out of that emotional response, which is why one of the many reasons I think reading the Bible and prayer is so powerful, especially when it comes to emotional responses like anxiety and depression. The other thing that's happening is if she's kind of naturally more oriented toward victim mindset, which typically those on the right hand side of the brain pattern spectrum are.

29:36She's also opposing her pattern, which ultimately we all have the ability to do, but many people don't know how to strategically oppose their patterns. They end up staying the same or wildly justifying a pendulum swing that causes a whole other set of problems. But I think the whole body of my work is that there's a very specific pattern opposition that helps you rewire and come out of the state that you were in. And it sounds like what she was able to do is effectively push against, often when people are on the right side of the spectrum and they have that more kind of victim-centric perspective, they tend to also be somewhat lacking in their sense of purpose or like what their identity and function is in the world.

30:18And that can sometimes cause a bit of friction in your spiritual walk, right? Like, Lord, who am I? What do you want me to do? Right? So then like you end up being a victim even of trying to understand your identity and God too, right? So in a way, this pattern opposition of like not really having a choice when you're faced with something like that, it kind of the stakes are higher and it actually sometimes pushes people to oppose those patterns. When we oppose patterns intentionally, we move into the resistance that typically our brain through lying would convince us not to do. We're actually activating the anterior mid-cingulate the cortex.

30:53And when we do that, our sense of purpose, actually it's feelings based. We're like, whoa, I like, I feel something. And when you do that, it grows. And then our ability to continue to oppose patterns grows. So really, I mean, obviously God designs all things for a good. That situation obviously helped your mom, I'm sure pop out of probably a victim rooted identity that she might've experienced since childhood. Cause that's typically how it happens. Hey, so if you've ever thought something is wrong with me, but I just can't prove it, then this is for you. Now, you might be eating clean, even what you feel like is perfect, working out, taking all of the right supplements, but you're still exhausted, still foggy, gaining weight, and you're not sleeping.

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32:19We'll also determine if you're a good candidate for one of our cellular healing protocols so you can finally experience lasting healing. Once again, go to mybloodwork.com to check it out. Something I know that a lot of people are dealing with today, and there's a secondary question I want to get into after this one, but is a lot of people are living with shame, with guilt. They're beating themselves up. They had one parent maybe that was highly critical of everything they did. And so they're trying to be a perfectionist or a people pleaser. Going back, I'm a big believer in, let's find the root.

32:59When did this start? What was the memory? Is it true? Is it not true? And going and finding that and pulling it out. But I know one of the things I've heard you talk about as well is both finding that personally, but also finding that in humanity when it started. Talk to me about that a little bit. Between zero and five are where these patterns become hardwired. So kind of going back on the hypothesis, anything that counters love, innocence, curiosity, right? It starts to chip away. And the way I always try to visualize it is to imagine that a little kid comes into the world like an uncarved block of wood, right?

33:29Just like a soft, easily carved block of wood. Anything, and this doesn't mean that the parents are intentionally doing harm or anything like that, but anything that the child perceives with any sort of negative skew just starts to take a little bit of a carving out. Eventually, you become five and you've experienced enough by five that you have a shape. You are a sculpture that is unique to exactly what you experienced, right? So those are all the nurture pieces. Fundamentally, now inside of that wood block, put this little light, you know, a little light right in the center. That's your spirit.

34:00That's who God called you to be that has a unique destiny that he designed for you, specifically, there's a purpose in there, but this little light is inside of this carved wood block. We're always going to have a piece of ourselves that comes from who God called us to be. But nurture, sadly, really overwhelms a lot of that. So think of it almost like this clouded filter. If you put a little light inside of a wooden block, how much light is going to be emitted from the wood block? Probably none, right? It still doesn't mean it's not in there. It's still in there. But as you're moving through life, what ends up happening, and I really do believe this is why we are called to renew our mind.

34:40We have to be able to learn how to take off this sort of wooden block that is preventing us from being who God called us to be. That is the pattern of the world. I do believe that is exactly what happened to us as a consequence of the fall in Genesis when Eve eats the apple, right? It's like this little— We see shame. This is really when this, you know, a lot of this started. Yeah. And that is the first introduction of fear and shame. And I think something that's really interesting is kind of going back to the role discipline and structure plays in this. What does God say? You can do anything you want, just not this one thing, right?

35:15It's the introduction of a boundary. All of this, you can do anything you want, free will. Just don't do this one thing. And what does Satan do? Are you sure? I think maybe he's lying to you, right? So it's this introduction of, can you really trust God? Why would he just give you that one boundary? And what does she do? She pushes against it. She tests the boundary, much like a child might test the boundary. If you're like, don't knock over that glass of milk. And they're like, why not? Don't do it. Don't do it. Boop. And what happens as a result is we now have the introduction of fear and shame, and we have the introduction of self-deception.

35:51At that point, they were naked and they had no idea. Now all of a sudden she eats the apple. Oh, my God. Who told you you were naked, right? Because he realizes, okay, now I know what you've done because now you are overwhelmed by self-deception seeing in the third dimension, right? Now you know you're naked. Before that, they were just probably in a higher spiritual realm. They didn't know that they were naked because they weren't seeing their physical body. And then they fell. So if we look at that architecture, that's much what we experience, right? Where we know where the edge is and there's a part of us that likes to kind of poke the edge and see how far we can push things.

36:29And of course, that's more so in childhood. Yeah, well, you know, I kind of want the step now beyond this is in terms of like people, a lot of times are driven by guilt, shame, people pleasing. I need to look perfect on the outside. And so those things start to crop up. And well, I guess my next question before I get into the other is, how do we remedy that? Give me very, very practically what people can do to start to fix that. Number one, be better at observing your own thoughts. So instead of being the one that is just speaking, this is the introduction of metacognition, which some people on the brain pattern spectrum have developed naturally, but all people benefit from learning how to do this.

37:16And it can be a little disrupting for a moment because it's challenging to both be the one talking and also observing yourself talk. and in essence, be strategically critical, right? Not negative, not perfectionist, like, oh, you didn't say that right, but aware of what I'm doing at all times at a higher level, right? At a higher dimension. That's number one. Number two, we need to get better at listening to the language that our brain is using because our brain really functions off of language. I always attribute this like your car runs on gasoline. Our brain functions on language. Anywhere I look, whether I'm really actively acknowledging or not.

37:54My brain's like plant, Dr. Josh Axe, light, TV screen. It's trying to define using language. And if you and I were to go walk into a room, let's say we were to build a business together and we're going to go interview candidates based on your childhood versus my childhood. If we had two totally different input systems and we have two totally different brain pattern types and we both get a selection sheet of who we like and who we think is going to be the best candidate, we might walk out of there having both experienced objectively the same exact thing. And your sheet could say one thing and my sheet could say something totally different.

38:28So when we're thinking about that, we need a person to also go back and understand, as I'm perceiving, what language am I generating? Because perception generates language. Mad, happy, sad, egotistical, confident. I might see something as confident and you might see the same exact thing as egotistical. If you label it as egotistical, you're maybe not going to hire that person. If I label it as confident, I'm going to give them a job offer. What's really true? It starts to make you really question reality a bit. And here's the reality. There is a truth. I totally agree. There is a truth. And that's so important.

39:05And that's why the more time you spend in the Bible and reading God's word, and the more time you spend around people that are high character and Christ-like, the more you're able to discern what true is. I mean, it's just so important because we don't know, we're born not knowing. I mean, you have to be crafted into understanding what's true, we have to retrain our minds on a regular basis. And I love that your work really includes this and it's just so critically important. And so to your point, we have to take every thought captive. This is just critically important. Make sure, hey, does this align?

39:42This narrative I have, these words, these things, this is aligned with the will of God. And it's important. You know, another thing I see along with shame and guilt, people-pleasing perfectionism there is busyness. Now, this is the thing I would say that I'm most guilty of, or one of the things I'm most guilty of is I want to accomplish and achieve a lot. and I don't think wanting to accomplish things in and of itself is unhealthy, but I wrote a book a couple of years ago called Think This, Not That. And the book, a big part of it was, don't focus on what you can accomplish, focus on who you can become.

40:23I mean, the Bible doesn't say, you need to accomplish this big things. It says, no, you need to become Christ-like. And so I'd love to hear from you, what do you feel like the root is and how do people start to fix this excess? Because here's the stake of a lot of people listening. let's say it's a mom or dad, and maybe they even have older kids or something, but they're, they are working, they're working. And then they are taking care of kids at school and then doing soccer practice. So most of the time it's like, Hey, they're waking up at whatever, 6am. They're going to bed at 10pm and they literally have something scheduled every single moment of the day, every day.

41:01Interestingly, this whole urgency over stacking your schedule, striving, They directly counter both patience and peace, which are fruits of the Spirit. Oh, wow. Additionally, so what's interesting, so let's look at the fruits of the Spirit, right? Yeah, so you can look those up in Galatians. Absolutely. So then we also have the seven primary sins. And I think there's this interesting reciprocal relationship because I think often what happens is in trying to not exhibit sloth, what do we do? We pendulum swing. We stay always busy. We're always doing all this stuff. And I think this is kind of, it goes back to the sole idea of most of us pendulum swing when there's actually a very specific middle ground that we are called to walk.

41:49And I think the average person, they don't know how to recalibrate and find that line. And that is much of what we teach because there's, if we know exactly precisely what those nine markers are for you, we know what balance absolutely is for you at each of those nine points. So then it becomes a little bit more strategic rather than trying to do some guesswork. And I think this kind of goes back to a question that you brought up earlier, which has to do like, why do certain people not follow through? Right. And the follow through happens with some of the behavior markers. So we track behavior markers that unfold chronologically.

42:22So early stage, right, when you first get into a fear state of, oh, my God, what am I going to do? Some people immediately rush toward the fear stimulus, right? I'm one of those people that just, if something bad happens, I become creative, strategic, I go right toward the danger. And I'm like, I'm going to figure it out because I've got strong self-efficacy. I would imagine to some extent you do as well because that's what makes someone an entrepreneur. You can't sit back and be like, I don't know. I have to know everything if I'm going to take one next step. No, I'm rushing in to help. Yeah, for sure.

42:52Same, right? But also to an extent at the expense of busyness and overdoing it and overloading your plate. Yeah, and obviously, I mean, two of the biggest sacrifices, which you never want to sacrifice for that, is time with God and time with your family, you know, being there present for that. Yeah. So going with this idea that you and I, for example, are patterned behaviorally is to rush in, right? Let's say that you start to rush in on lots of different things. Do you ever get yourself to a place where you realize, I have no more bandwidth left to give and one of these is going to have to drop?

43:27Today, I literally, I've used this word several times this week in text. Actually, two hours ago. I do not have the bandwidth for that right now. Right. And that's a, I'm glad you learned that. I've had to learn that. It's a hard way. No, I mean, any of my friends will tell you I'm really good at saying no. No, I'm very clear. This is, you know, this is what's precious. I can't, you know, say. Have you always been that way or did you have to learn that as a form of rewiring? I lean that way, but even leaning that way, I had to learn to do it. I mean, yeah, I absolutely still, even though I would lean that way probably more naturally than others.

44:04It's like, you know, you understand this. If you're naturally a good swimmer, Michael Phelps was naturally a good swimmer. He had to still train a lot to become a great swimmer. So it's just, yeah. Yeah. One of the things I think also might get you is we've found that the behavior marker that tells us what your initial early stage commitment style looks like also corresponds with loyalty. So let's say you get yourself in a situation where you're loyal to all these people that you've committed to. That's where it's going to potentially be harder to be like, oh, I know, I know this edge. I don't have to protect my family, but it's going to be, it's going to be harder to grapple with because you are naturally likely going to be very loyal.

44:43Yeah. So going with this sort of hypothesis, this marker, what we've found is that there are certain people that have pattern oscillation. So it's like they'll start one way and then something causes them to almost flip the switch and go the other way. This is what tends to lead to poor follow through. So somebody who maybe says, yes, I'm going to do that diet and they last for two days. Maybe they last for three hours and the next thing you know, they're getting a pack of peanut M &Ms, right? We can see that in the brain pattern markers and that comes typically through parenting inputs. So here's an example.

45:16And I don't know how you feel about this, but we're really strict about this in our household. Our son decided that he wanted to do a travel baseball team and he hadn't had a ton of baseball experience, but he wanted to do this travel team. And, you know, probably a week or two into it, he realized very quickly, I am the worst player on the team, you know? And I think Like he cares what people, he didn't want to be the worst. He's a great athlete. But I think just when you level up like that, it can be hard. And what do you think he did? Mama, I don't want to do this anymore. I want to quit. I'm the worst player.

45:49Do you think I let him quit? No, he had to finish out the season. Of course you have to finish out the season. I'm not going to make you do another season because believe me, I don't want to do all the driving for a baseball team. But also, even if it's putting pressure on me and I don't want to do the driving, now I'm having to drive you while you're sulking also. I'm not letting you back down. Because when your parents let you quit things or let you kind of push and get away with it, what do you learn? Well, whenever I am not getting out of this what I want, I'm going to quit. And guess what?

46:20With a diet, do you get results in the first two hours? No. No. And then you're going to be like, oh, in your head, self-deception. This isn't even going to work. What if I stay fat forever? I'm just going to go get peanut M &Ms, right? Right. Which then maybe gets you to this last stage of your emotional addiction cycle, which perhaps this person actually ultimately is trying to walk themselves into a shame trap. So they can go into the shame and futility of like, I'm never going to change this. It's never, you know, I'm going to be like this forever. Which then goes back into that victim mindset.

46:48So all of these little breadcrumbs all work together. Imagine like little puppet strings, basically to try to ruin your life. So if you want to stop ruining your life, you have to figure out how your brain is weaponizing all these little things to make it seem totally justified. You should go buy those peanut M &Ms. They're going to taste so good. You're never going to lose the weight anyways. Just go do it. Go buy them. You know, the gas station's like right down the block. Yeah. Deception. Self-deception. Yeah, yeah. It's not going to be that bad. No, I mean, you can, let's say that you had your partner trying to hold you accountable.

47:18You can finish this bag of M &Ms before they get back. You can throw the wrapper in the trash can. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, these types of self-rationalization, like, well, they did this, so it's okay for me to do this. And this is where, again, to me, it's creating healthy habits, especially those that we know that the church and people of virtue practice regularly in order to combat these thoughts and the lies that the world's teaching us, that we're telling ourself. And so what are some of the most powerful habits people can implement in their lives in order to start to create a healthy mind?

48:00Number one, going back to the idea of language being weaponized against us, is learning how to ask yourself the right strategic questions to poke holes in your self-deceptive argument, right? And this is, it's an art form. It's something that we absolutely teach in Break Method. It's a challenge, but I think also this is very biblical, right? It's the sort of truth. It's the word. does the message that you are telling yourself right now, does this stack up against what God has called you to do? Does this stack up against the fruits of the Spirit? So you have these sort of measurement thresholds where it should be easy for you to be like, no, it doesn't.

48:39This is not what God's called me to do, right? God's called me to be brave, faithful. One of the things I try to remind people if they're feeling down, remember that the disciples were on the boat with Jesus. They had already seen him perform miracles. and what did they do when he was sleeping and they were in the storm? I mean, they were freaking out. He freaked out, right? Lord, Lord. Lord, Lord, get up. He's like, how could you be sleeping right now? We're going to die. We're going to perish. And essentially, he's like, listen, peasants, have I taught you nothing? You know, obviously, clearly jokingly paraphrasing here.

49:12But I think at that point, he was probably pretty frustrated. Like, you've seen me perform miracles. You've been by my side teaching. you really think I would be sleeping right now if you were actually in peril? Right. Self-deception, right? They're overwhelmed with the way the seas look, the way the wind looks. They go into fear and anxiety. Oh my God, we're going to die. So literally God in the flesh is sleeping and we're going to die. Yeah. So if that happens to the disciples, give yourself a little bit of a break, right? Because we haven't seen those things. We haven't walked side by side with Jesus watching all these things.

49:48So self-deception feels so real, but there are very specific linguistic arguments that you can use to literally cut right through it. And in my book, that's one of the things that once you, it's all based on brain pattern type, and it gives you exactly what questions and arguments to ask yourself to cut through that. This is why the Bible uses the word faith so often is, you know, faith is the evidence of things not seen. And for us today, it's like, well, if I, evidence has to be, most people feel like it has to be physical. If I can't see it, it doesn't exist. but the Bible is really clear. Faith is the evidence of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

50:23So it's evidence that you don't even see. And so really it's learning to believe and trust with your spirit and these things that are unseen versus even things that are seen. Because to your point, like they're actually seeing a storm they're experiencing. They're feeling wind, they're feeling rain, they're getting cold. There's this physiological experience happening. And Jesus is like, trust in me. you know, trust in me, trust in God. Yeah, rise above, see higher, up higher. This is not what's really happening. And it's so hard. It is so hard. And it's so hard for people physically when they're thinking, I just got my blood markers back and it says I have Hashimoto's.

51:01My TPO antibodies are high and my T3 levels are off and my hormones are off and I've gained 20 pounds and I'm looking at my body and I don't feel like myself. And versus knowing, you know what, I'm going to be healed. God's got a plan. I know when I start doing the right things, it's going to start, you know, I will heal. And so anyways, I love your methods of being able to get to what is the root here? What's the true problem? Let's identify it. And then let's create these healthy patterns of retraining our mind in order to heal. Last couple of questions for you. If somebody's thinking right now, okay, how do I get started in this?

51:41Well, one, I want to encourage everybody to check out Busy's book. It's called Your Brain is a Filthy Liar. You can get it on amazon.com. It's in a lot of bookstores all over the place here, but the brain is a filthy liar. And she really walks you through in so much more, in more depth, a lot of what we started to have the conversation about today. But also if somebody is saying to themselves, hey, where do I start? Where should somebody start right now in terms of making a change in their mind to make a change in their body. To not be so quick to believe your version, right? Be willing to hit the pause button and say, I know it felt like that, but maybe is there something more to the story?

52:22So really just even, you know, it sounds trite, but just being able to stop yourself and just start that process of asking questions. If you, you know, I'm married, you're married. There are a lot of times that you're in a fight with somebody and they're saying that you said something and I'm like, I really didn't say that. I'm like, pretty sure. God, can we get a replay? I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. But think about how many people immediately go into defense. I didn't say that. Why would you say that I said that? Right. What if you hit the pause? Something that will come off completely differently is, honey, I really do not have a recollection of saying that.

52:58If I did, I apologize. What can we do to get to the other side of this argument? That's very different than literally throwing another darts and you're like, dart, dart, dart, dart, dart. Just pause, ask yourself a question, create a space in between a conversation that allows someone else's perspective to exist because somewhere in between the two is what actually happened. And we need to learn how to co-reconcile reality. Well, you know, I want to give an example of this because this happens. This is a typical sort of like, especially husband and wife thing where a lot of times to your point, and this is why I love that you get into this because I think it's so true.

53:36A lot of times it starts with our perception. So Chelsea says, Josh, will you bring out the trash? Yes, I will bring out the trash. In my head, I will finish what I'm doing. And then. And then I will do it. And her mind, it means you will do it, you know, get up, stop what you're doing, do it right now. I'm just giving you an example. It's a perfect example. Yeah. Well, because then it's interpretation, right? Who's right? Well, no one's technically, you both just interpreted it differently. The right way to go about it is open conversation when you're not being defensive. And giving somebody the benefit of the doubt as well, I think, is such an important part of that.

54:17And one of the things you really got into earlier, too, is just this importance of self-awareness, which is a formative emotional intelligence that's more important than your IQ, your EQ is. And so I love that. And so one of the things you're talking about is just being able to stop, say, did I say that? Did, what did I mean? And then having the open conversation. But I think there's so much, so much wisdom there. What you just got to, I think is also really important. Learning how to check your motive. Because a lot of times self-deception tricks us into thinking that we did something for this really justified reason.

54:47But if you really pause and you're like, am I actually trying to control, manipulate this person? Like I know for a moment it felt really justified, but am I actually afraid of what they're going to do next. And really, even though technically I'm being extra nice, it's because I actually want something from them an hour later, right? Being able to ask yourself that question. But I think also going back to even the scenario with the trash, a lot of us don't take the time to ask clarifying questions like, hey, honey, did you mean that you wanted me to take it right now? Or is it okay if I finish this other thing before I take it?

55:16Right? That could have changed everything. So I think people don't take the time to make sure everyone's interpreting things in a way that is unified because oftentimes people don't, we don't want to fight with each other. We don't want to constantly have conflicts, but we don't know how to pause and ask the right questions to get on the same page. Well, and part of this has to do with, I mean, you're better over communicating than under, almost nobody over communicates, or at least guys have never over communicated ever. And so, and part of this is like, that's how you build a relationship with somebody.

55:46That's what prayer is. It's a communication between you and God. That's, that's the greatest way you're going to grow closer to God. And a very similar thing. How how do you grow close with somebody? You create great communication back and forth. And part of it starts with, how are you communicating and become aware yourself of what you're saying to yourself on a regular basis, which is just at the root of so much of what you taught. Well, Busy, I wanna say thanks for coming on. I wanna encourage everybody again, check out Busy's book, Your Brain is a Filthy Liar. She does such an amazing job in here of getting to the root of issues.

56:16And if you're a person that's dealing with, you know you're an achiever, you know you're a people pleaser, or you're a perfectionist, you have sort of these thoughts you know. Maybe it's shame, maybe it's guilt, but you're dealing with something and you know that your mind and spirit are keeping you from reaching your optimal physical health. Again, I wanna encourage you to check out her book. It's absolutely incredible. Check out her work. She's got a great podcast herself that you can check out. What's your podcast called? The podcast is Decoded. And then Renew Your Mind is the very specific biblical program.

56:50And that you can get on my Instagram. and then Break Method is just the overall program that we do with individuals, couples, and families. Perfect. So make sure to check out Busy, all the incredible things she has to offer. And I wanna say, hey, thanks so much for tuning in here to the Dr. Josh Yack Show, where each and every week we're diving deep into the science and principles of how you can heal physically, mentally, spiritually, and take your health and your life to the next level. Hey, do me a favor, subscribe. It's the number one thing you can do to support me, to support the show, and help spread this message of health and healing, and also sharing this as well.

57:23Thanks so much for watching and listening. We'll see you on the next episode.

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