Jewel: How To Build A Life Without Regret (And Find The Courage To Do It)

29:47What work? It's part of that deep work. Would you recommend to somebody then that perhaps they do something similar where they get fully present for a couple of weeks and take note of what causes them to enter, I'll just call an unresourceful state in a resourceful state or dilated and contracted. Is that a practice that you recommend to somebody? Yeah, I teach this skill to teenagers. I have a foundation. We've been doing this for 22 two years. It's one of the skills I teach them. I teach it to CEOs. I teach it to housewives. This will benefit anybody because you are the expert on you. And this is something I really want to emphasize.

30:26For me, I never had access to therapy when I was young. And then when things went down with my mom, I had money for therapy, but I had had somebody mess with my mind. And so I didn't want to have a therapist. It was scary to me. And so all the tools that I've developed had to work for me inside my own body. And it made me very interested in helping other people that don't have access to therapy, or if they have therapy, really maximizing the results, they're going to get out of it. Because, you know, if anybody's listening and you have therapy and it's not giving you the results you want, it's not the right therapist.

31:03Don't be afraid to fire your therapist. You're not broken. It's just like taking your car to a mechanic and they may not know how to work on a BMW. That's cool. You're a Toyota, no problem. Go find a different mechanic. But these types of tools really help make you, it takes advantage of the fact that you are the you expert. And if you're willing to observe yourself and you're willing to study yourself, you're going to have the key to your parasympathetic nervous system and your sympathetic nervous system. You're going to know the triggers that get you more than anyone else. Now, again, the rubber meets the road is once, you know, like a thought that used to unend me was, I don't know what I'm doing.

31:47I didn't know what I was doing. It was true. But if I focused on it, it would just send me into a tailspin. So once I knew that about myself, could I abstain? Could I abstain from that thought? Well, you don't live in a vacuum, right? You have to replace it. I don't like affirmative thinking. It just never worked for me. because it felt like lying. Same here. You know, so an affirmative thought. So if I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing. And I know that's my negative thought. My affirmative thought might be, I know what I'm doing. I tried it. I looked in the mirror. I looked myself full in the eyes.

32:21I said, I know what I'm doing. And my body went, you're lying. That's right. Your neurology completely contradicts. Because my physiological state, it didn't change. Exactly. Yes. So it was baloney. Correct. So I had to find what I call an antidote thought. I had to find the medicine. What was the medicine that would get me into a dilated state. That took some experimenting. The sentence I ended up finding that worked was I won't quit till I learn. To this day, it makes me tear up. It is so true about me. So then it came down to practice. When I started working myself up, I don't know what I'm doing.

32:54I don't know what I'm doing. Building the awareness to say, I notice I'm doing it. I'm not going to consume that. I'm going to consume this. I won't stop till I learn. And literally, it's sometimes just clinging to saying the sentence over and over so that your body can relax or choose anything else on your dilated list. It could be a thought, a feeling or an action. Get your body into a different state. Now you're not going to have a knee jerk response, right? A neurological knee jerk response that is your nurture. You're going to be able to have a thoughtful formed response that's in alignment with your nature.

33:33That's pretty cool. Okay, that's an Instagram clip right there, which is so good. Let's rewind the last five minutes. I want to unpack a couple things there because our work overlaps so much. But I just want to validate. By the way, some of you may be listening is going, look, I don't have all this trauma. You know, how does this relate to me? The pattern and the tools that Jewel just presented just there, right there, could be the trigger for you to become in a very resourceful, successful peak state as opposed to an unresourceful, lazy, unproductive state. It may not be sad or happy or anxiety or fear versus power.

34:06It may be just success. The athletes use these states to perform. Music artists do it to walk on stage. So a couple of things just to unpack there. Number one, you aren't your thoughts. When you become an observer of your thoughts, oftentimes just the awareness of a thought helps it lose a lot of its power over you. Just that alone. Just having an awareness. She used both of those terms. Just an awareness. And then you don't have to believe everything you think. And so she said something profound there. I do that too. I ask myself two things. One, is this thought true? Number one, that eliminates half of them.

34:37But in your case, you said it actually is true. I didn't know what I needed to know. And then two, I ask myself, does this thought serve me? Does this thought serve me? And if it doesn't serve me, it's putting me in an unresourceful state. For me, this is just my pattern. And we're a little bit different on this. Everything for me sort of starts with my body. I've got to move my body differently. My body overrides my thinking. In my case, most of the time, I'm a physical person. And for me, if I can move my body differently, I have typically shifted my state. But I love what you said. I'll often go, because it's creeping up on me.

35:12You know when you started the pattern of it. And I'll just go, oh, I'm doing it again, aren't I? Here I go. Here I go. And then I start doing something called thought stacking, where I'll just repeat a thought over and over and over and make it bigger and bigger and bigger to where it eats me up. So just the awareness over it helps me.

35:33What I want to do, everyone, right now, I want to step back just for a second because I want to give you a tool for some of you where it is a little bit dramatic for you, especially through the holidays. And so it's the not alone challenge that you have. Is that correct that there's been like 1.8 billion eyeballs on this challenge that you created? Is that accurate? And then please tell everybody what this resource is, because you aren't alone if you're in a really dark space right now or it's the holidays. All times of year, this affects people. But I think probably more this time of year than any time of year, people feel more and more alone.

36:07So I want to give you the floor on the floor. What a huge impact you've made with this. And if we didn't have this shared on the podcast, we're missing a few extra million people who would hear about it. So tell us about that real quick. We'll step out of the tools and give them a resource here. yeah thanks um yeah last year was our first year doing it um i have a youth foundation it's called inspiring children we help kids with suicidal ideation anxiety disorders self-harming uh the kids run the foundation because nothing builds confidence like learning you're capable and so the kids came up with this idea for the social media challenge the kids run it last year they got 1.6 billion eyeballs on it um i obviously help and pitch in and try and recruit anybody that i can.

36:50So we're doing it this time for the second year. The idea is it's a social media challenge, hashtag not alone challenge. People do videos talking about why mental health matters. People donate heroic auction items. People can go on there and bid on them. Or there's, you know, really simple stuff that isn't expensive, like a hoodie t-shirt or a, you know, a wristband. All the money goes toward mental health foundations, making sure that we're putting tools into the hands of people that need them. There's lists of resources that are free. And usually specific to, to just different backgrounds, because people just need different resources, depending on what they're going through.

37:28And that's at not alone challenge.org. Oh, good. What's, what's inner world? What is that? Inner world is, so, you know, as I mentioned, I didn't have access to therapy when I was 15. It really bothers me that misery is an equal opportunist. You know, it doesn't care if you're a successful entrepreneur making millions. It doesn't care if I'm a homeless kid. Misery is an equal opportunist. It's not real picky. It'll thrive in any system of dysfunction. Now, if you want to learn not to be miserable, if you believe you can learn and do better, that takes an education. Education costs money, right?

38:18Therapy in its highest form should be re-educating us about how to emotionally relate to the world. It should be giving us practicable tools. So it really bothered me that now happiness was an elite proposition. If you had money to afford it, what about kids like me that moved out of 15 and didn't have money to afford it? Or what if I'm not getting the results in therapy that I want? How can I figure out how to create scalable, consistent tools again at scale because when I did the numbers currently we're 500 ,000 therapists short in America and we think that if everybody were to seek help that wanted it would be 5 million therapists short that's a bottleneck I don't know how to solve it's not my area of expertise to solve it what I got really excited about was how can I alleviate that bottleneck in a non-traditional and very disruptive way while making sure that we're delivering results.

39:11That's what InnerWorld is. It's a virtual reality mental health intervention platform. It has two phases. One is social. So it's a safe, curated social environment, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, where there's a trained guide live, seven days a week, 24 hours a day. The other side is education, taught in groups of 30. So let's say your cat dies at 3 a.m. You can come into inner world. There's a trained guide in a social environment. And you say, my cat died. I'm freaking out. That was my best friend. It was my only connection to the world. The guide might say, have you ever seen the grief cycle?

39:51That's a documented DBT. Many psychologists use this grief cycle. You can see this grief cycle now in VR. You can see where you're at on it and go, okay, there's a beginning, a middle and an end. This is where I'm at. The guide might say tomorrow we have a class just on grief at one o 'clock. Would you like to attend? And so the next day you can log on. You'll be anonymous virtually in a group of 30 people with a trained guide where you'll be taught a DBT or CBT skill. These skills have been studied for 20 and 30 years. They're known to work. They're used by psychologists and therapists. We just take them out of a psychological one-on-one setting and we teach them in group settings.

40:34And then we track outcomes. So we are a clinical research platform. We were able to just publish two papers showing where as effective as traditional therapy and we're just getting started. Congratulations. I love when I meet somebody whose life's preparation and they're meeting their purpose simultaneously. I just feel like when I'm talking to you that I'm meeting somebody who's doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing at this time in their life. And they're so good. It's what I'm built for. You are built for it. It is, I'm built to do it and it does feel good. You know, I have this saying, it's not mine, but that we're most qualified in life to help the person or people that we used to be.

41:09And I think it's the universe's, in my case, God's great gift to us. The trauma or tribulations in our life are preparing us to help somebody who's just like us. And when I'm listening to you, I'm thinking there are just millions of people that are like you and like me that have harmed their worthiness or their ability to feel great about themselves. And if you're going through something like that right now, just know that as you learn and you grow on the other side of that, you're going to be immensely qualified to help people that are going through their version of it and that there's a purpose to your pain.

41:41There is. There's a purpose to your pain. I want to ask you about something. Yeah, I always tell people like healing is hard. It's such hard work. But being dysfunctional is exhausting. Gosh, that's so true. And there's no light at the end of that tunnel. Like I know what my dysfunctionality is going to lead to. Yeah. But if I heal, there's actually a new option available to me. So at least the hard work is worth the effort. At least it might lead to a different outcome. That's so good. You ought to get something for your pain. You ought to get something for it. That's so good. One of the things that fascinated me about you before I knew any of this version of you, right?

42:19But I remember when I was, we were both younger, you and I, I'm older than you, but not by a lot. and I was watching you become successful and become well-known and your gift to me was so profound like there are say this but there's a lot of people now that try to sound like jewel but when jewel came out there was nobody that sounded like jewel it was the first time I had ever heard somebody with that sound that cadence that resonance when you heard jewel saying you knew instantly you know instantly when it's jewel and I remember watching you thinking this is going going to be the most famous singer in the world.

42:58And at some point, this is a really hard question, a lot of achievers on my show, and I'm evaluating this for me at my age too. There's like these ladders we climb in life, right? The ladder. And when you're really down low on the ladder, like you and I were, the next rung is worth it in almost every way. But there becomes a point, nobody talks about this. There becomes a point where you have to evaluate what the cost is for the next rung? What are the external extemporaneous costs that come with climbing the next rung? That makes sense, right? And no one talks about this, but at some point, you have to evaluate what you're giving up to climb the success ladder and other areas of your life.

43:43It's just true. And in our culture, you're supposed to just keep climbing. And if you listen to a podcast like mine, entrepreneurship, self-help, personal development, you just flip and keep climbing you just keep doing it and at some point there's a trade-off for that climb and I remember watching this young woman and I remember literally thinking this about you because we're about the same age thinking she's like consciously chosen that not all of this climb is worth it she could have probably climbed higher in notoriety climbed higher in more grammys made 23 more albums toured all the time so at some point you made a choice it seems to me Correct me if I'm wrong, that although you wanted this career, that there were other things you wanted more than awards, downloads and albums sold that appeared to be more important to you and that you couldn't have all of that at one time.

44:39Is that true? And if it is true, did you consciously choose that? And what advice would you give to somebody who's like, man, I keep climbing the next rung, but I feel exactly like I did three rungs supposedly lower. I don't believe in this lower or higher, but you know what I mean when I say that. What would you say to that? I'm really curious about you on that. I've actually never had anybody ask me, but I have been very intentional about it. And I actually really appreciate the question because it's what I have spent the most. If I have any genius, I've spent whatever that is on this. And it wasn't my career.

45:20that thing I wrote in my book of like I want to be a happy whole human not a human full of holes number two was to be a musician that meant what does a happy whole human mean I was trying to think in terms of a whole ecosystem I'm a whole ecosystem I'm not one thing if I was to draw myself maybe it'd look like a tree I have to have if I have one limb it's going to uproot me and I'm going to fall over. I'll be lopsided. So for me to have happiness, I think it was a side effect of harmony, of multiple things thriving. So go back to that tree analogy. I need many branches and I need many roots to be successful.

46:10And that success wasn't my career. um i remember writing how did i say it if i get to my deathbed and the best art i created was music i'll have been an asshole i wanted my life to be my best work of art and that meant i had to direct my creativity and my intelligence and my heart toward trying to live artfully in multiple areas that I had to learn how to identify as mattering. And my career mattered. I'm very ambitious. You know, I'm ambitious and I'm capable and I want to know what I'm capable of. And I had a point to prove and I was the dark horse and all of that. And I enjoyed it all and really did, but not at any cost.

47:08Because of that hierarchical thing of I want to be a happy whole human. And I saw so many celebrities that were very, very miserable. They were drug addicts. So many celebrities, we have a very high death rate, very high addiction rate. And then as I looked in the CEO world, a lot of unhappiness. So a lot of high achievers that are wildly unhappy. Well, that's not good. We don't get to call that success. and actually even where I see culture, if I can zoom out another level, we're the most technologically advanced we've ever been in our species and we're killing ourselves at an unprecedented rate.

47:46We're missing something. This can't be called success. And so if I'm thinking of my life as an ecosystem, what do I want to grow? I needed my humanity to grow, right? I needed my emotional capacity to grow. I needed to heal. I wanted to have relationships. touring non-stop around the world does not lend itself to relationships at all and so I had to create strategies and that means you pay prices and I think that's the thing people don't talk about we like to think we don't pay prices of having it all we do you know um the height of my fame I was so famous that I had to have 24-hour bodyguards my life was being threatened every day I had stalkers.

48:34I couldn't grocery shop. I hated it. Hated the level of fame I got. And I had to give myself permission to say, I don't like it. How will this work for me? I had to be less famous for me to be able to handle my own life. And that meant I had to pay a price. And what was interesting is in the public eye, it was looked at as so shameful to not sell out the big venue the next year, I mean, ridicule. I had to live through so much public humiliation and people saying I was washed up and didn't have it. And only, you know, in your own heart that it was an act of power. I was making my life work for me.

49:17I owed myself my life working for me. I did not owe all these other people another sellout stadium so that my life could work for them so that it could have the optics of working. The optics of it working while you're miserable isn't working. It doesn't count, right? So for me, it was constantly having to give myself a lot of permission. And it took so much courage to constantly say, the whole world thinks I'm a sellout because I'm going to make a pop album. But I know I'm a sellout if I don't do it. So what am I going to do? Am I going to do what they say is selling out? Or am I going to do what I know is authentic.

49:59I'm going to choose me. And you're going to have to pay a price, right? I paid a price. I did a pop album called 0304. Oh my God, you would have thought I murdered a human. It was hysterical. Nobody wanted a 90s credible singer songwriter to make a pop album. Nobody had ever done it. It wasn't done. I mean, I got called into one of the most powerful music executives offices and he was told nobody wants this generation's Joni Mitchell to wear a miniskirt you knock it the F off. I didn't even know this man, but that's the kind of heat that I was taking. But I knew if I didn't follow my heart and do the music I wanted, that was a sellout, but I was the only one that knew it at the time.

50:41And so for me, it's constantly saying at 40, got a divorce, became a single mom, didn't want to just tour as my sole source of income, had to come up with a whole new career plan you have to reinvent yourself over and over so that i can meet the needs of that limb i want to grow and i wanted to be a mom i know i'd never forgive myself on my deathbed i call it my deathbed decisions laying on my deathbed if i looked back and i had let my son down i can't even talk about it it hurts my body so bad i could see it If I didn't sell three more million albums, I don't care. Not on my deathbed. I don't care.

51:25So knowing I'm 40 years old, I want to do right by my son. That means you have to get very strategic, just like growing a business. You have to make a plan. What does being successful look like? And then how can I set up success for that? One was learning how to make money in other ways so that I could be available and present as a mom. One was learning to heal from different types of trauma so that I could show up and be present as a mom. Now I paid a price. I didn't make an album for seven years. You don't go back to the same level you were at. You don't, you pay a price. And that's the thing that you know, like it's, you know, that going in and you're willing to pay that price.

52:11It was my honor to pay that price. And I can't sell out the size venues I was prior to that. And when I read articles of like, oh, whatever, whatever might be shaming about that, I have to laugh because I was, that was my price. It was my honor to pay that price. I know what I bought with it. I'm a good mom and I wasn't taught to parent. I'm a good mom. I can look myself in the mirror and say that. That's everything to me. That's what I paid with that price. So I think like if we can be very strategic and just as strategic as you are about building businesses and you would never start a company without capital, resources, time, and talent.

52:55Same thing if you want to grow a limb on your life. How are you going to make it succeed? I can't say I'm going to go be a great mom while I'm also trying to go still be the most famous person in the world. It doesn't work like that.

53:11I'm sitting here so grateful for this conversation. One, it's the best time of my life to have this conversation with you. But at the same time, I just, I, sometimes I'm doing the show and I'm like, okay, we're changing lives right now. And there's so much of what you just said that I just want to acknowledge. And I'm going to ask you one more question. I got to tell you something like this idea that you don't re-audit your life from time to time and say, is this still my current dream? Is this still my current dream? And then negotiating the price is okay. It's okay to say that this is going to cost me something and it's worth it to me.

53:42But you have to be honest with yourself about what it's going to cost you. And it's okay to say at some point, I just think a lot of people think, I think our culture now is like, just climb your career and then get around everything else, especially in the industry that I'm in. It's like, just keep climbing. You'll get around your friendships. You'll get around to your spirituality. You'll get around to your family. You'll get around to your emotions. You'll get around to that, except you don't because you have this fear and I have it. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to lose momentum. I'm going to lose momentum.

54:11If I don't keep speaking, if I don't keep touring speaking, if I don't keep building companies, if I don't keep doing my show, if I don't do my TV show, if I don't do this, I'm going to lose momentum. And what you're saying is, yeah, you will. And that's okay. As long as you know, that's the price. If the other things are more important to you. So it's important to audit. Is my dream still my dream? What is important to me now? And by the way, everybody, please don't think you're just going to get around to it because what Jewel said here, she and I both know people that have produced tons of external fame, influence, and wealth.

54:44I'm just telling you, never got around to the other stuff. And the vast majority of them that her and I know don't have bliss, don't have internal peace. That's not a criticism of them. Bless their heart. They just went for the stuff of life. They went for the stuff. They went for the awards. They went for the money. And that's okay if that is your priority. And they thought it would work. You know, by the way, nobody does that because they think it'll make them miserable. They do it because they think it'll make them happy. That's right. And nothing's worse than achieving this level and going, oh my God, I'm not happy.

55:17I must be doing it wrong. I better do it harder. and they double down and they do it harder and they become more successful. And then they go, oh my God, I'm still not happy. I must be doing it wrong. I better do it harder. And then, you know, look, a lot of our ego gets tied up into it. Our self-worth, you know, a lot of our performative behavior is really just a compensation because we feel unworthy and unlovable. And if we stop performing for worth, and if we stop performing for love, who the hell are we those are very very scary things to face oh my goodness and the fun thing that i want to drive home the momentum i lost in my music career i gained in a whole new i invented a job for myself i became an entrepreneur in a in a space that didn't really even exist.

56:13You do pay prices, but there's unexpected dividends. If you invest in the stock market of your humanity, of what you know in your heart is right, it pays dividends. It's like God's way, the universe's way. It's magic. It pays dividends in magic. And I've never seen it fail. Like when I wouldn't have sex with the boss and I ended up homeless, right? I paid a short-term price. It sucked. A big price. That was a bad price to pay. But I invested in my humanity. I ended up getting discovered at the end of that year. That's just magic compounding math. That's compounding magic. I don't know what you call it.

56:50But I've never not invested in my humanity and not had it pay off in dividends that were exciting and unexpected. That's kind of more fun and more dangerous than climbing the ladder where you know the results are leading to yielding happiness quotas. You know, how much more? And that's another thing about happiness is I call it blowing by happiness. Very few of us examine what actually makes us happy. It's usually really simple. It's connections. It's connections to your family and your loved ones. It's usually something simple like fishing or these things that we go by because we think we need so much more extraordinary wealth and it ends up making us less happy.

57:35So you really do have to do this different type of math. Oh my God. And I want to spend a whole other hour talking with you about like getting to know yourself. If you'll have me back, I really want to like delve into that because it's a, it's a really important area of when we become perfectionists, when we become addicted to being performative and how do you get off the cycle when all of society has patted you on the head and rewarded you for being performative, but it's not from a deep sense of worth. How do you get off that train? It's a very tricky thing psychologically. Well, you're reading my mind a couple of things.

58:11One, I want to have you back on open invite and not that many people we have come on twice. I would have you on next week. I want to have you take a breather and I want to have that other conversation. And by the way, it may not be just society patting you on the head for being performative. It may be your parents. It may be your family. And a lot of us conflate love with significance, love with recognition, because the only time we felt any love as children is when we did something significant. We brought home a report and we performed for a home run and we get that. So I would love to have you back on.

58:46Yeah. And I'd love to weave that back into if you'll help me remember and let's do this next week. It'd be fun, but performative perfectionist behavior and how that relates to the dilated and contracted states, because they really link into one another of helping somebody get off that train. Yeah. Yeah. We're doing this again. We'll get our schedules together and we're going to do it again. I have to tell you all something. It's one of the more profound conversations I've had on the show. And I opened up sort of telling you that when I started to dive into Jules' work, I sort of knew that was going to be the case, but we even go deeper than, than even I hoped.

59:19I want to ask you one last question, just because if I don't, my audience will be straighted with me because you don't have a happiness. And so it doesn't need to be a long answer because we're both, you know, I know you're pressed on time, but I am going to have you back. But what would you just say in general to somebody who says, you know, all the things you guys talked about today are helpful to me, but I don't feel worth it. For whatever reason, I'm at a point in my life where I don't feel worthy of this happiness, that I don't deserve it. Because I believe that's the number one barometer in our life is to be consistent with our identity.

59:51And I think that that is the epidemic we're living in. I think it contributes to the mental health crisis. I think it contributes to the even the physical crisis, the physical illnesses that we have, the inflammation in our body, the the the high suicidal ideation rates. All a lot of this is connected to people just they don't feel worthy of it. And so I know it's a long answer. we could do a whole podcast on it. But if I had to ask your brilliant brain there with all of your experience, someone just said, I just don't feel worthy. You would say, begin here, or here's a tip. Here's a key. Here's a thought.

1:00:22What would that be? I guess I would say, are you willing to invest in getting to know your worth? You only think you're not worthy because you don't know yourself. if you could see yourself you'd think you were worthy we it wasn't reflected to most of us right my childhood did not reflect my worth to me my takeaway from my childhood was i must be worthless if my own parents are neglecting me that's just the natural takeaway you have to be that has to be your takeaway as a child and if you don't ever re-examine that then we lose out and so are you willing to fall in love with yourself you know if i'm going to date i have to put time in i have to put money in right i'm going to expect to go on dates i'm going to expect to spend some money on the dates i'm going to expect to spend some time going on these dates so that i can learn to fall in love with this person Why don't we do that with ourselves?

1:01:34So I guess the only thing I'd ask is, are you willing to invest in a relationship with yourself? You don't fall in love overnight. You fall in love with yourself over time. And your ability to love yourself has been obscured from yourself your whole life. but it doesn't mean it has to be it just means you didn't take the time weren't taught how to take the time haven't made it a priority a combination of all of those and would you like to start this is so good is it inner dot world is that right it's inner dot world yeah you guys go check out inner dot world that's a really good place to begin and i think just follow Jules work.

1:02:17I'd go to Instagram, social media and start following her and, um, and stay tuned. Cause she's coming back on. We're going to have another one of these. I think we should be doing this regularly, like once or twice a year, just have you on it. We'll just chop it up, see where you're at then and compare notes on our growth. I like it. I enjoyed it a lot. Really did. I really enjoyed it today. Everybody. I asked just one favor of you. We're the fastest growing show on planet earth because you share it when it impacts you and i have a feeling this one is reverberating around the planet right now so i just ask you to share this beautiful conversation the two of us had today can i ask you a favor ed yeah 100 while i'm here yes i don't i'm just moved to do this i'm actually going to ask your audience for a favor let's do it i have been working on a book for three year on concepts like what we've talked about today i'm having the hardest time getting it simple enough.

1:03:12And I'm very curious what people really feel like would help them. Because over too much of my life, I've gathered so much information that I'm not actually sure what's the most useful. So I love being asked questions. Because it just corners me into being able to have something really specific to say. So a what's been really impactful? And should that go want to book and then just be any questions and then I'll figure out how I can get together on that material with you and then maybe we'll do another show around it I love it okay guys do that reply in the comments here social media you can dm each one of us those comments and those thoughts as well and I'm so grateful for today like I'm blown away I'm so glad we did this I'd like to do it in person I'll do one more through zoom like we're doing now but I'd love to do one of these in person when I'm back out in LA we'll do that together if you can get out there I'd love that or i'll come to utah we'll figure it out sounds good all right you guys god bless you everybody share the episode take care this is the ed mileage show