SEBASTIAN MANISCALCO: How To Do The Hard Things

0:28So, hey, guys, are you frustrated with where you're at right now? This is The Ed Myron Show.

1:00successful project for him. He's just got all kinds of stuff going on, but he's got a tour coming up called It Ain't Right in 2024. Biggest tour he's got. So you can go to all his social media, his website to get his stuff. Sebastian Maniscalco, welcome back to the show. Thanks, man. Thanks for having me back. I think the last time I did this, it had to be about four or five years ago. Four or five years ago. The UTA offices. And reflecting back on that experience, I didn't know who you were. I didn't, you know, I just didn't, I wasn't aware of you. I saw clips and whatnot, and then you wanted me to do your podcast which is then i started looking into who you were and whatnot oh this guy's this guy knows what he's doing and whatnot but i feel bad that you came out to where i was uh at uta you did because i i noticed a lot of you most people come to this but you came to me and i'm reflecting back on that i'm like oh i probably should have went out to you but at the time i was like oh this is like yeah like a who is this guy at the time the hike and whatnot but But I'm glad that you asked me back.

2:00Yeah. And it's nice to be here in this new setting. Yeah. Well, it's a temporary setting. But, yeah, it's good to have you back. And I've done his show. He's got a couple different podcasts, too. The Daddy and Doctor. Daddy vs. Doctor and the Pete and Sebastian show. This guy's busy. He's doing everything. Which you did Daddy vs. Doctor. And you had a clip on there where you got emotional. Yeah. And I put that up. Yeah. And, of course, you know, everybody really related to what you were saying in regards to your family and how they're the most important. Except your dad.

2:31My father, believe me, that's just the tip of the iceberg with him. He's really, he's my biggest critic. We have a lot of discussions about him. Even this tour that I'm doing, he's like, you got new material, right? So he's constantly on me. I was going to ask you that. One of my questions later in the interview, but we've got to know each other well, just so you guys know, since that thing four years ago. and so I feel like I know you pretty well now like does it matter I mean it's funny with you and your dad but you you love this dude and you're close with your dad you have a very unique thing with him do you think he's proud of you and do you is it mattered to you I I was one of the things I was going to ask you later but since we brought up your dad who doesn't like my stuff like uh is he proud of you do you think yeah he's told me he's proud of me but he doesn't want me to kind of rest on my success.

3:27You know, it's easy to reach a certain level, I think, for some people. And then like, all right, I'm going to stop writing material. I'm going to kind of coast on what I have. And he's always trying to instill in me, not that I don't have it already, but just being a parent, you know, you've got to do better than the next time or you need your material needs to be as equal to or greater to what you've done the last time or of people are not going to come back. And he's also worried about, you know, people are spending a lot of money to come and see you and you have to deliver a premium product for them.

4:01Because like the performance is a commercial for them to come back the next time. Um, okay. In a business sense, I love doing comedy regardless, but when you go out there, you hope to knock them dead so bad where they go and tell 10 people, you got to come and see this guy how much percentage of the time do you do that where you go i knocked it out you're done that night you go yep i feel like i really never knock it out there's always something in the act that i could have done better or there was a moment in the act where i'm like oh i got a little too angry there or whatnot yes i walk off stage sometimes saying oh yeah that was really show but i always think there is improvement in the show sometimes i get a little bored with the material you know i'm sure you go through this you're saying the same thing yes and you gotta make it sound like it's the first time you're saying it you have a new group of people so for me um i start when i first got a new bit i'm like oh i love doing this i love doing this love and then it starts to kind of wane yep and and the the objective for stand-up is to kind of have the material so down but still so fresh and then shoot your special uh rather than have it you know go a while it's too stale yeah it becomes too stale i think that's what happened with my last special not that i was so disappointed about it but what happened was i was supposed to shoot that special kind of covid air like when covid started and then i picked up the material after COVID and then shot the special.

5:38So it kind of sat too long. And we were talking about this prior to even jumping on here, that talk about pain, you were talking about back pain. I'm talking about sciatic pain. I had sciatic pain ripping through my right leg really, really bad. And it was hard to be as physical as I normally am. And I was in a tuxedo and these aren't excuses. You know, I think also I'm trying something new. You know, I tried something new. I'm like, oh, let me try and bring up. back to the Rat Pack Sinatra days, Sinatra days, performing a tuxedo, have the audience performing their dress like they were in the sixties or fifties or whatever it was.

6:13So anytime, you know, you kind of go outside your comfort zone, you know, it could, it could really win. You could really lose. Um, I'm not reflecting back on the special. I'm not mad that I did it that way. The only thing I regret was I probably shouldn't have worn a tuxedo. because I never wear tuxedos while performing. And it's very restrictive. And number two, that I was in pain while doing it. Yeah. You know, you're in the mindset, you guys, when you're listening to him. The one thing about Sebastian is, and other comedians have mentioned this to me too, he's a pretty serious dude in real life.

6:52Pretty serious, pretty intense. I'd say introverted is how I would describe you. Is that all accurate, would you say? Yeah. I mean, introverted in the sense where I'm not like life of the party. No. I don't. You know, I come on these podcasts. I just did kind of a podcast, golf podcast yesterday. And you got to treat them almost as performances. Yeah. You know, you can't be like sitting here like a dud. Right. Not that I'm going to make you die laughing during this. But I actually enjoy sitting down with someone and not being funny. Yeah, I know you do. I don't feel like this world I'm living in right now is, I don't really have to make you laugh or the audience laugh.

7:36It's not that type of show. But the show yesterday, they were looking for like entertainment. So it's work. Yeah, you got to come. Be drained after? Not drained, but, you know, to be funny and not make it be forced is a little difficult because, you know, you want to make it as organic as possible. possible you don't want to be doing like trying to be doing bits or ollie tried to make me laugh or whatnot so yeah and you're not like a sticky shlicky like slappy in the back guy that's not your thing like you and but what you're saying earlier though about what i said like the mindset into someone who's a mega achiever i mean if you go watch this netflix special that he did and you guys should go watch it it's incredible but when you're at the highest people that are at the highest level are really scrutinizing about their work and they're honest about their work they're self-aware.

8:22One of the things that they, I think people that get to a really high level set just a higher standard. Like they just, their standard for themselves and their performance is super high. And that's why he was telling me off camera. He's like, yeah, I don't really feel like I hit the mark on that one. He was playing golf with a dude yesterday who tells him it wasn't his best work. Yeah. And, but also I think you begin to lose at anything, whether you're in business or anything, when you lose your self-awareness, you just don't, you know, and you've seen this in your industry too it's like this guy's just oblivious that his work isn't what it used to be or he's not working as hard as he used to be or she used to be so i think it's actually a really good thing that you you say that i don't love the fact that you don't feel good about it but i thought you are really a physical comic too so that tux was a little bit restrictive yeah you you you have a lot happening like so you're doing stand-up he's one of the few you know a lot of you aren't like stand-up people but like today burke chrysler's out on the show right he's like today's the release while we're recording this.

9:18He's out today. It's not like I have that many comedians on. It's ironic, but Bert is one in you. There's only about eight, five, six, seven of you dudes who can fill up arenas and you're one of them. And I think you were the top grossing comic. You know, when you're doing this, you'll be the top grossing comic in the world. Are you an actor? What are you now? Or are you trying to be all of these things? If it was five years from now, you could wave a wand. Are you still doing arenas and doing standup or are you leading man in three or four movies a year? No, I don't. I'm a stand-up comedian. That's what I am.

9:49I'm not negating from what got me here. I really, really enjoy doing stand-up. Do I enjoy doing movies and TV? I mean, the last movie I did this about my father, it wasn't a fun experience for me. I had a lot of anxiety. I struggle because I got a family. I got two small kids. I'm 50. I got a six-year-old and a four-year-old. So I'm in Alabama for nine weeks doing this movie. And in my head, you know, I'm a family guy first. So I'm sitting there going, what am I doing? What am I doing in Alabama when my daughter is at a recital? And that recital is never going to happen again at that age, at that moment.

10:29I'm not going to see that. Who knows what could happen? You know, there could be a moment there. You know, there's a memory there I'm missing. So I had that in my head. And I don't think a lot of... I shouldn't say this. you know some people in the entertainment industry just they go out they do movies and that's what i do and the family's the family and when i come home i come home and i can't listen i gotta be there i gotta i gotta be at my house with my kids uh so that's that's that's what i was dealing with number two i'm working with de niro who's arguably one of the best actors of our generation and i'm questioning myself can i do this right because i've been in movies not a lot but just poppins but this is the first movie i'm doing soup to nuts and i'm starring in it i co-wrote it and then you know you question yourself what am i doing should i be here can i do this so that was going on um how'd you get through it well then i'm in pain too with the sciatica you know I'm, I'm dealing.

11:34You were starting to sound like an old, just listen, I'm 50. I should not be walking around. Like you talk about, it's going to be hard to get off out of the chair. We, me too. We might need help from everybody in here to get out of our chairs. Yeah. So I, what I did was, all right. I said, this is a great opportunity for me. Um, the process for me is not fun. It's 14 hours on the set. Comedy, you go hour, a half, you're done, you go home. This is for a comedian. Plus, I'm doing a comedy. Nobody's laughing. Yeah, no feedback. I'm missing the feedback. So it was a little difficult to get used to doing that type of performance.

12:22What is it like working with De Niro? Very quiet. He's not one to cut. cut it's not like i go up to him going so where you going tonight you know really it's none of that he he has a you know goes to his chair he's got paperwork and what it looks like he's opening up another no book in between scenes seriously yeah he's like you know he's on the phone he's talking and so he's nice you know if i if i went up to him ask him a question and whatnot he's you know he's receptive of it but you know like he's you know in his own world he's to himself So he's very introverted. I'm not that introverted.

13:03I'm personable and I'm talking to people on set and the rest of the cast. Is it almost uncomfortable? Yeah, I just don't think he has the gift of gab, which is fine. Maybe he does with people that he's really close with, which I could relate to. But I would think like if I'm already insecure, I'm working with the goat, right? And I'm an actor, but I'm new to this big of acting. I want the guy when we're done with the scene to go, great job, you nailed that. You're like, here's some feedback. You're not, you're not. That happened later on. Okay. When I had a scene where I had to cry at the end of the movie and I've never cried on film before.

13:42I'm an emotional guy. I have no problem crying. But, you know, when you're acting, it's a different, different muscle. So I went into that scene going, man, I hope I cry. And we're on a tarmac. There's an airplane there. I had to be out of breath in the scene. So I had to run around the tarmac with this leg that I have an issue with. And I come into the scene. We do the scene. He's crying exactly where he's supposed to be crying. And I'm looking at this guy in the scene going, this guy's amazing. Like, I'm not even in the scene. i'm just like almost a fan yeah watching him cry and they yell cut now i noticed that he is very he's not he's very different this day than he was any other day because of its emotional scene and he wanted to keep the emotion there so he was he was like come on let's let's do it again so now i'm getting in my head i go oh there it's because i don't know how many cries this guy's got left right like i don't know so we do it again i don't cry so at that point i go bro i need help i need help can you help me out so we walk on the plane together just him and i i said i don't know how to get there he goes well i was gonna tell you but i you know i don't know your process i go there's no i'm just hoping this comes out of me so what i do is i think in this particular instance, he's like, I think about my son and he's your age.

15:21And he starts crying, talking about his son. To you. To me. This is not even in the scene. This is like a moment we're having. And I start to cry. And I go, I got to use this. So I run around, I run around, I come into the scene. I'm crying throughout the scene, which I'm not really supposed to, but I'm like, oh, wow, this is working. Cut. Let's do it again. Now I'm thinking, I'm going to do it again. Do it again. Fuck. I don't know if I got it. I don't have another one of these. So, you know, that moment, he was really, really helpful in teaching me how to get to that moment. And I learned a hell of a lot just being around him and how he, for example, in scenes, he's always doing something.

16:09You know, if he's got a pack, he's packing. He wants to know, would I pack the socks on this side of the bag? He's very specific in his movements. Wow. Which, again, for me, a guy who doesn't do this that often, I would just generally, okay, where do I stand? And I'm going to talk. But he uses the environment around him. Attention to detail is crazy too. Yeah. And it's believable. You know, if you're in a scene and you're fiddling around and drinking some water, some nuts or whatever you're doing, not necessarily eating, but if you're doing an activity, it makes it believable. And you as an actor are not so in your head about being in a scene.

16:52You're almost, you know, the lines are almost secondary as you're doing something as you would in real life. If I was talking to you and cleaning the dishes, you know, it's just more of a natural vibe. So I think it helped me for Bookie, which I felt extremely relaxed. It was in Los Angeles. I was with Chuck Lorre, who's, you know, north of a thousand episodes of television. And I felt really comfortable with his, you know, just him knowing what he wants. Not that the director about my father, she was great. but chuck warry in tv it's just you know you're working with the one with one of the best ever so i felt like about my father prepared me for yeah bookie so you're gonna be acting because you're good at it you look good i'm starting to do some too and like i'm so insecure about it like i just what you just said like i haven't done it's new i'm used to doing like your stand up as my speaking or being a businessman right it's like super new to me so i have like a ton of imposter syndrome about it, but you're going to be doing more of it.

18:27I'm just curious, like all you got going on, take someone into, I mean, you're so humbled, but this is a dude who was a waiter. You were at the Four Seasons for years, right? I mean, 98 to 05. How long? Seven years, 98 to 05. So he'd leave there, go do standup, come back and be a server again the same night, right? And now flash forward. I mean, seriously, brother, like just for a minute, like let people, like there are people, there's a lot of people right now that are in that waiter stage of their life that listen to my show that want to be you that they're they want to be that entrepreneur they want to be that businessman they want to write the book they want to be the speaker they want to be the whatever the athlete and now you flash forward here's what you just said to me yeah i'm doing a movie with robert de niro yeah now i got this show bookie i fill up arenas i got this beautiful wife lana i got two amazing kids my dad's still alive to see all the success that I'm having.

19:17Like, I mean, and be real about it. Is it what you thought is success? Cause it wasn't for me is success. Like what you thought it would be, how you'd feel about yourself, how much you would enjoy it, what you're like, emotions would be day to day and doing it. Like I had a picture that when I would get there, like everything would probably be okay. I don't know. I thought I wouldn't feel as much pressure. I actually almost feel more pressure to be, if I'm being honest, right? Like to keep it going and to maintain it and to grow it. And, and, uh, I thought I'd have more confidence or pride in myself when I got there.

19:54I don't know. Like, I just, I thought certain elements would be different. What about for you? Like, you've got a really good life. Do you enjoy it? Like really, are you in the midst of trying to run it and keep it together and grow it more than you get a chance to enjoy it? So I'm on the transition of it. because I'm exactly like yourself, where I was happier as a performer when I was doing the Holiday Inn Bananas Comedy Club in Hasbrook Heights, New Jersey, and coming up and making a room full of strangers who really didn't know who I was laugh. And then after that, going out, meeting, greeting everybody in the lobby, taking photos and whatnot, that for me was like really, really fun i mean i was i was you know she's i was still i was in a 900 square foot apartment i was you know i was making some money but nothing you know nothing crazy um i never i'm not and i'm sure some of your listeners you know are very diligent about writing down goals this is what i want yeah yeah you told me that yeah it's not your thing he loves motivational speaking he loves goal setting no no i i love hearing motivational speaking and some of these things i'm like oh i just my mind doesn't your worker work that way it's like i go out like i'll i go out to pasadena ice house and i'll do four sets that's kind of my way i work yep um but to answer your question i am now in the process of trying to enjoy this more because Because as we were talking, you know, it's like, all right, you get to a certain level and then you buy a home.

21:35And there's a lot of things that go along with that home, maintenance of it. There's, you know, more people in your life that you are paying, you know, because you're growing your business, your enterprise. So there's more personalities now that you're dealing with, which you didn't have. I didn't have that. I was doing everything myself. If somebody ordered a DVD, I would sign it, put it in. And now it's like there's a social media team, there's a PR team, there's just a lot of people. And also I have a fear of like, I didn't grow up this way. I didn't grow up with the money. What's enough? What am I working towards?

22:16What am I doing? I mean, what the hell am I doing? Am I - Yes, yes. Am I working towards - we're talking about family. I'm a family guy. But you do have to have a little bit of a balance. I go, yeah, should I be doing Vegas five times a year? And that's it. Do I need to go on an arena tour? Do I need to do another TV or movie or another podcast? You talk about doing all these things, which I think people feel pressured to do. Oh, so-and-so's got a podcast. I got the podcast. I got the movie uh you're right yes so for me i'm like what am i doing podcasts because i really love it you mean your own my own yeah even like even going out and doing podcasts like i've heard oh if you want your podcast to grow you got to go on other podcasts and then those people see you and then they're gonna are they i don't know you know like i'm i'm i'm often like i like you know like podcasts that i like doing i enjoy i know that this is going to be something i enjoy right because you're a host who doesn't talk you know much you know you give the questions you add a little color but it's it's you know you want to hear what i have to say and sometimes i go on podcast and it's like you know i don't know i mean this is not this maybe not my vibe maybe this is i don't fit in here this is that you know i i'm not like you know wacky and crazy and not gonna you know do something that you know you're you know these these people are gonna go what the right right so i don't know i i don't know i'm wrestling with a lot of these i know you are i am too i'm trying to figure out this is great that we're talking about we're two 50 year old dudes basically in a good point in our career where people would like to get And I think people would like to know what does that feel like when I get there?

24:16That's why I ask you that and it's not always Elements of it or what you would think it would be But there's a like, uh, you know, i'll ask you a few of these things like I struggle with I don't want to lose momentum I don't want to lose my relevance Do I want do I not want to lose relevance because like I might not make the money that i'm making? Or do I not want people to see me not be relevant? Like i'm up the flagpole now and then they'll go that guy used to be Is it that is it? I ask myself, when does this pace end? Do you ever wonder that too? Like you can go back after I tell you what some of mine are like, when's this pace end?

24:50Like to what end is this? And in 10 years, am I still working 330 days a year? Like I thought I wouldn't be. And then the navigating of family and all of these other things. Do you worry about losing momentum, like losing your relevance? Do you, do you struggle with those same things I'm saying too? like it's like what when does this end do i want do i want to be 80 years old doing this on a tuesday do you know do you know i'm saying like do you does that enter your mind yeah i i do think about momentum i do think about which you have yeah but what if i told you and i'm like go away for two years just stop doing this i'm doing the motivation just go Go away for two years.

25:40Just relax. You know, enjoy, you know, you have two kids in college. Go up and not that you're not doing this. Go up, you know, take some more family vacations. Pick up a hobby. And I know you golf, but like, I've often thought maybe I should, you know, go to cooking school. Which you love. Which I love. And Chris Rock told me this and he is very diligent about this. He goes, it's hard to make an entrance when you never leave the room. And I was like, because he's like, you're always touring, right? And they always have access to you because you're always out there. But when you go away and come back, it's more of a spectacle, it's more an event because no one's seen you for two or three years.

26:26Oh, what does he have to say? What's he doing? I think nowadays with social media, I think Michael Jackson had it really dialed in where you didn't see this guy everywhere. you know when when you did it was like like a unicorn you know he was on arsenio once he popped out to give eddie murphy an award i was like oh my god i remember he's there he drives you know like uh so i often think to myself all right do i need to be doing all this do i need to be on social media constantly with the phone and then hey i'm at some skiing yeah do i want to do the video i don't know do i but i feel like if the people don't see me they're not gonna buy the tickets to come to the show you know it's all has this yes this effect so i don't know i think garth brooks took 10 years off and because he wanted to be with his family and raise his kids he came back and he's fine yeah he is but there's an element of it like i'm you're on a great point here like what's the right rest what's the right calibration and a lot of the people that listen to my show are trying to get there but at the same time you know all the watches a lot of comedians there's an edge that you keep by staying in the reps and even like no i know you can't say this but like some of the guys you even their names you just like when eddie murphy took a bunch of time off and now i see him now i'm like i don't know he's as funny as he used to be you know i don't know what the entrepreneurs as sharp as they used to be i don't know if garth brooks is as good i haven't seen his music i don't know but there's a there's that element of the edge too where like you, there's a rhythm to success.

28:02That's the one thing people don't tell you is like, it's not just the work and the reps. There's a rhythm that you get into and there's a momentum and it's a magnifier. It can make someone pretty good, seem really, really great. One of the things I've struggled with though, that has not made my momentum well is I haven't always hired well around me. And I'm just curious, you said that you've got these people around you now. How have you, have you had anybody, if it's not who it is or what it was, but how have you dealt if it's happened with people that have worked for you or with you that have either let you down purposely harmed you not done a good job around you like how have you dealt with that have you had that experience where it's like this is not what i thought it would be well listen i mean i'm a comedian and i'm not i i didn't you know i didn't grow up or in my 20s i wasn't like in a company yeah and i don't know like how marketing sales ceo like that language where it's like interpersonal skills with people and dealing with all these different personalities yeah i mean i was the president of my fraternity in in college right there's a lot of different personalities there but i wouldn't say my strong suit is being a unbelievable leader you know it's just it's not like i it's not my it's not what i do yeah but you you're almost thrown into this thing where it's like okay now i'm kind of like running a business yeah you're a brand you're a company yeah and like jay-z says i'm a i'm a businessman you know like i'm a businessman you know you are you're now a business yeah yeah and some people adapt to that remind me not to quote any hip-hop lyrics again go ahead that was just a big miss when you first said i'm like business man yeah he's a businessman there's something in there i'm a business man yeah i nailed it at the end i pulled it together it just took me a minute

29:58yeah so you know yeah hiring people yeah i i don't know like i don't know what to ask an interview people come in an interview for a position right i don't know are you gonna do good yeah you don't know until you know right the way i look at it is like and plus i'm the personality it's like i expect people to read my mind right and then when they don't i'm like it's it they suck you know and then like rather than tell them, Hey, listen, this is the way I want it. Because sometimes I often think if I do say something, does it come off as being too direct? Does the person feel like I'm always worried about how the person is taking my message.

30:42Right. And a lot of people just say it, you know, like, listen, when I want, when I walk in, I want, I want Evian water filled, but then, you know, sometimes I think I like things the way I want it, but then I'm like, I'm also struggling too with, i used to i i used to put the water in the thing and and then i do that too you know like and who am i now i now i need it the way i want it but i can't do it because i don't got enough time and the person thinks well why don't you it's me too up mindset you know instead of like hey i'm i'm paying you to do a job yep and this is what the job uh requires sometimes i struggle with i got a problem here's one sometimes i got a problem and hey you know the gardeners come and do the gardening and i'm doing something else my head the gardener's looking at me going you can't cut the grass that's what i think too what the dude dude hey yesterday i had a guy come over this is so it's just i had a guy we were so wired like i had a guy come over there's a storm coming to florida so there's a guy that comes over that covers my outdoor furniture for me right because I'm here doing things that would produce more revenue than covering the outdoor furniture.

31:55Literally when I saw the guy, so I'm looking at me like, you're not a man. You can't cover your own furniture outside. I think the exact same thing. Like it's exactly how my mind works. Cause I was that guy who did that stuff before. Yeah. Yeah. And now I'm like, and it's funny because people will think like, I'm like this big intense boss. I don't like to make people uncomfortable. If there's even like gardener example, if the yard's not being done right, I'm like, babe, will you let the gardener know? Like, I don't even like to be the person to tell people I won't send food back in a restaurant.

32:23Like I'm just, I don't like to have, I've all been a bus boy. You know, I've been a server. I don't like to make people uncomfortable yet. It's to my detriment because I don't always get great performance around me either. So you do have a little bit of that too.

32:39You, but I want to go, I want to get a couple of things focused on this for you. So I understand you better. You don't know the end game then you're saying, you're not really sure you're just kind of in the grind of growing and producing content and shows and stuff that produces revenue and that you enjoy doing like expressing yourself. That's really where you're at. Yeah. What are you going to, so if we flash forwarded to 60, so you got 10 more years and I said to you, Hey man, you nailed these 10 years. All your dreams came true, everything you want. I'm not saying your goal setting here, but like, would it be, you've made 10 more big movies or you've just done a bunch of standup or is it more like, nope, my kids are now teenagers.

33:19We've had great memories together. And the most important thing to me was that I just got the time with my family. And, and that's really the thing that I'm most focused on. Yeah. I'm not sitting over here going, I need to accomplish. If I did a standup and did bookie that would be fine for me okay uh do i want challenges in my career yeah that's why i do the podcast i go can i can i make daddy versus doctor a podcast that people would listen to not only for information about parenting but for entertainment so uh i don't know i don't know at 60 what I'll be doing. There is literally no plan. I'm literally living day by day.

34:03My wife often goes, you know, like, let's plan things this year. So there's a vacation in the books and that we're not scrambling to go to Utah in November for a December trip, you know? Like there's families, I'm like, how do they do it? Every year, they're December 22nd to the 28th, they're there. I don't get that. I'm like, man, I don't even know. Can we book that far in advance? There might be something that comes up that I got, you know, like that. Yeah. And I'm trying to get out of that. Me too. I thought by this age, I would have that figured out. And I don't. We're more similar than I realized, even though I tell people to do the things that I'm not doing all the time because I don't I don't do a lot of that either.

34:43So, OK, I want to get into some a couple of productive things here just for the audience to know how many other standups make you laugh. oh man um there's very talented guys out there um it's just when you're in this business i just don't think yeah you laugh you know it's funny but i don't you know like the last one a guy was laughing at literally laughing where i'm not looking at the joke or anything was janice papas he did uh you check him out it's okay really really funny and for whatever the reason he had me on the floor like literally i rolled off the couch on the floor laughing that's what i want to feel when i watch a comedian um so yeah i i laugh more at like things you're not supposed to laugh at like things like like dramatic like even like in a drama movie i'm i might be laughing at something what are you talking about like what just just like just things that i gotta understand this i i don't even i couldn't even give you an example off the top of my head but it's things you should not be laughing at like someone dies in a movie you're like that is freaking hilarious i'm laughing at a funeral funeral but but it's not a comedy scene there i'll give you an example and i don't know if this is appropriate or not I was at my uncle's funeral.

36:12He recently passed away. And I was in the back and I was with my sister. And, you know, people are crying and whatnot. And I'm looking around telling my sister,