The Branding Genius Behind the Biggest Names in Sports & Entertainment w/ Constance Schwartz-Morini

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27:11So, want to drive? CarMax. Pickup not available everywhere. Restrictions and fee may apply. If I asked Michael, other than the two of you are so close, and I think he ministered your wedding, and you're super close. But if I said Michael, what is Constance's real talent and superpower? What would he tell me about you? I don't see limitations in people. That would probably be it because when the Regis opportunity came up, it wasn't, um, it started out and he was filling in. Um, actually it really started when he won the Superbowl and Eli had to go to Disney. And so Eli couldn't go be the guest.

27:49So Michael went on with Regis and Kelly and had a great time. Fast forward a couple of years later, get the call. Hey, Regis is on vacation. Would Michael want to fill in? Like, absolutely. You're going to go fill in. And while he was out there on set, I'm in his dressing room. And when he came back in, I just looked at him. I said, this is what you're going to do. And he's like, what are you talking about? I said, you're going to be a talk show host. He's like, I don't, I'm not, didn't, you know, prepare for this. I am not this, this and this. I was like, I don't care. This is what you're going to do.

28:17So that's probably what everybody would say from Aaron to Dion to Tony Gonzalez. If I see it, then I know they can do it, which makes them think that they can also do it. I get motivated by Dion, right? Like he's one of the great like you like one of the greatest motivators are always thirsting for their daily messages and anything like that but the trust that he has and what my vision is for him I never take for granted or take it lightly and I would say that's the way it is for all the clients because I don't see the limitations and I also don't soft sell anything um yeah you know if if Tony has an audition for a movie I'm not telling you've got this this and this I just tell him don't F it up.

29:00And he's like, I got it. I got it. But that's what your other reps or family members are for. You know, when anyone comes into the smack family, they're told if you don't want Constance's opinion, don't ask for it. Like I just, it's just the way, I don't know, the way I was raised or just never have, I was like, I don't have anything to lose, but I have everything to gain. What I see in you, by the way, what you said about the limitations, I bet is absolutely true. It's cousin in terms of your gift, kind of like a cousin talent. I think that it's your level of certainty. Once you believe something, in every exchange with everybody, the more certain person almost always influences the less certain person, right?

29:42Like if you're more certain than I am, you're eventually probably going to persuade me. And I think once you believe in something or someone, your ability to generate enough certainty within yourself con in that person or the idea overwhelms the obstacles. That's what I see in you. Do you agree with that? By the way, once you, your certainty level, like telling Michael in the dress room, no, this is what you're going to do. Like just complete certainty. Right. And he's like, I don't know. You were more certain than him that he could be doing that. Thus it ends up happening. Now he's the one who did the work and the reps and was great on camera, but behind the scenes, it's the certainty level that you have in people or an idea.

30:20That's what I think is at least one of your 50 superpowers. That's a good description. I'm going to use that one too. It's a million percent true about you. How do you know you're not going to work with someone? There's a couple of things. We can't want it more than they want it. And you can usually tell when you're in a meeting with somebody, if they're sort of looking to you. I don't want to say get them there because that's what we're here for but we can't want their success more than they want their success and you you can usually pick up on that and the other thing honestly is I'm in my back nine life's too short to work with assholes so if somebody comes in just like they've got that sort of edge not a good edge you know like just the a-hole edge I'm like I'm good no and I tell the next generation if you guys want to go after this one, go for it, but I'm on tap it out.

31:15So you will help me walk into a room. I was just watching something with, um, I think it was on another podcast. President Obama was on and, um, he was, he made a comment. I just want your feedback. I think a lot of people listening to be like, what's it like to be in rooms that con is in. So if she's got to get, you know, she's trying to get a game show sold or she's doing something with the Emmys or whatever, or Fox Sports, or an apparel line, or negotiating a deal with Amazon, or a deal for me with Sirius XM, or whatever the heck it is, right? So you're in there with some high-level players.

31:50And so Obama said in this interview, he's like, you know, I used to think when you'd walk in a room with these people, like, they're going to be, like, brilliant, and all of them are amazing and intimidating. And he's like, you know, I don't know if you saw that clip. He's like, meh, not so much. What's it like for you when you walk into these rooms and you're going to go, take everybody that someday wants to be in these rooms. What's it really like to be in those rooms with those people? Is it more intimidating? Are they more brilliant than you would think? Is it a mixed bag? Is it like Obama said, like, what would you say?

32:23It's a mixed bag. And look, I have the same insecurities that the listeners do. You know, it's like that imposter syndrome or fake it till you make it. But when I'm negotiating for somebody else, I'm unstoppable. If I'm negotiating for myself, I'll get walked all over. But if it's when I'm negotiating for a client, even a friend or a family member, I will take you down to get what I need to get for the person I'm negotiating on behalf of. But right before I go into those rooms, usually I have to run and pee because I'm like, oh my gosh, I got to like, just clear my head, clear my head. If I'm driving somewhere, I like to listen to lose yourself by Eminem.

32:59That's sort of like my, you know, that, that beat and the thing gets my confidence up. And then once I'm in there, it's, you know, out of the gate who you're up against. I can tell if somebody is misogynistic, which yes, it still exists today. I can tell if they've done their research. And the one thing that I have learned, which I wish I learned at a younger age is God gave us two eyes, two ears and one mouth. Listen and look. It's okay not to have to be the first one to speak. It's okay to take it all in. And that's really what changed for me probably in my forties was realizing I don't have anything to prove.

33:39I need to listen to what they have to say to get my negotiating tactics together. And that's how I'll like read the room and then go for it. There's some rooms that I'm in awe. I will say I've been fortunate enough to be around Jeff Bezos and truly not only is he brilliant, but one of the nicest people I've been lucky enough to be around um you know michael strahan went up in his rocket and so we got to on you know there and it's just some of the most basic principles when you hear coming from him you're just like oh my gosh like wow and you know same with there's certain athletes um that just yes they're amazing on field but they're just as amazing off field um i've been lucky enough to go to the white house and that was you know and i went with a girlfriend under clinton's um presidency which was really cool but once you're there and you do realize obama's president obama's right like it's true like there are going to be certain rooms that there are people smarter than you and some that you know you're smarter than them and i just like to take it all in and i always learn from a situation like i would say it's not a failure if you can learn from it like i went to work in the music industry for a little under a year.

34:50I knew the first to second day wasn't for me, but if I didn't take that job, I wouldn't have understood and learned the music business, which then takes me to the firm where I ended up being Snoop Dogg's manager. So for me in the time, I didn't love it, but then I learned so much in that short period that I was able to apply it to future space. So that's helped me. Even like I said, getting fired, like I was always the teacher's pet and this happening, I mean, it took me to my knees and I couldn't believe it. But at the same time, if that didn't happen, I wouldn't have had, you know, basically not even confidence, but I wouldn't have had to start my own company.

35:27Gosh, I'm just thinking about everybody you work with and how diverse the group is too. Like what, this is going to be the kill. This is the all time question. What does Michael Strahan, Snoop, Wiz, Coach Prime, Aaron Andrews, and the Bellas, let's just take that collection of some of them. What do they have in common? Like, what's the through line? Because they're all immensely successful at what they do, right? Like, now that's the hardest question in the history of podcasts to answer. but if anybody's qualified to answer it, and by the way, and you, what's the through line on this group that might surprise us that they all actually have in common?

36:13Multi-hyphenate. And what that means is they're great at the main thing, you know, Aaron for broadcasting, Nikki and Bree were wrestlers, you know, Michael had this great on field, Dejon great on field, but everything that they learned, they can now take that to go after what's next for them. And it's the word I use as a multi-hyphenate because there are some people that are one dimensional and they're fantastic at it, whether they're winning an Oscar or a Nobel Peace Prize. And they're very content in that sort of one vertical. But everyone that you named were not satisfied in being the best in that one vertical.

36:50They wanted to keep going. And that goes back to what I said earlier, which is I can't want it more than them. And these people are never satisfied. And I'm never satisfied. This is something we're all trying to get better at. we never stop and celebrate the win. We get the win and we're like, okay, what's next? What's next? A guy named Coach Ray Forsett. He's part of Coach Prime's team. Like as right up there with, you know, the role I play, he's more on field. And we've been together, you know, doing this for years and years and years. He worked with Coach back from Truth and high school. And when we were in New York, after Travis won the Heisman, Travis Hunter won the Heisman and we were at this awesome party.

37:30We threw at the long club. We flew in coaches and his teammates and boosters, donors, and everyone's there. And we leave the Heisman ceremony. We get there. And Ray and I finally just grabbed each other and just had like, it was like, no, it was like a scene out of a movie. No one else was in the room. It was just, you know, Coach Ray and I just said, holy, you know, look what happened. Because we were with Travis in high school when, you know, he was going to come, you know, play for coach at Jackson State. Like he left going to a power five because he believed in the vision that we all had for him, which was to be able to play both sides of the ball.

38:09And even though, you know, you didn't think you were going to get nationally televised games. And this is before NIL was a thing. But he believed in the vision that we all had for him. And that was one of the few times that we all stopped to just say, okay, let's take one minute and just be in awe of what we've all created together. And the other thing, I'll go back to what do they all have in common? They're teammates. They're team-oriented. Everybody at SMAC is team-oriented, not just people that work here, but the clients. Like if I called Erin and said, hey, would you do a post for Coach Prime Season 3?

38:46She's like, yeah, just tell me what you need me to say. If I call her, I mean, if Michael needs Dion to come on the show, Dion will come on Good Morning America. It just, it works. You know, and even if you think about Strahan, he's on Good Morning America on ABC. And then he's on NFL on Fox. And how we can get those guys to work together. And it's been like this. I don't know how long Michael's even been in the ABC field right now. I think it's 12 or 13, 14 years, something like that. and the fact that Michael is covering the Super Bowl this year, ABC wants to use one of the interviews from the Super Bowl.

39:21Everybody works together. And I would say that probably starts at the top. And that's how Michael and I always wanted it to be. And if you look at Coach Prime now, one of the greatest coaches of our generation, if not, you know, more like it's, it's same principles and same work ethic. It's about, you know, teammates and helping each other out. This is so good, by the way. This is not a conversation that many people can have with someone like you, right?

40:13I want to talk about your motives. I know what it's not because I've dealt with you. Actually, it makes me, I don't know why I just, that was weird. It's got emotion. I just think it's, I, it's not money with you. It's not. And so I think most people become entrepreneurs for money. and and i don't think that it's okay but it's a really hard motive to keep you going when there's a lack of it for so long if that's your main jam and for you i just know through different things we've done together it's just not even in the top it's not anywhere near the top i don't even i i don't i wouldn't even let you tell me it was because i know it's not so like do you think that's an important quality that money's not first and then what is it for you like what do you love about this?

41:07Like, what's your motivation? Like what, or inspiration? Like, why do you do this? Cause I know it ain't money. I know it ain't money either. I'd have that plane right next year. Someone once told me, I can't remember who it is. Cause I'd love to give you credit. If you do good work, the money comes. And when you grow up not having money, it just, we made it right. Like my mom figured it out. She was a single mom. She owned a flower shop. My dad worked for the transit authority and then he was out of the picture for a while. So, you know, we just figured it out. And I didn't know what we didn't have because my mom just never complained about it.

41:48It was just, we figured it out. And that's, I think a big motivator for me is I'm always going to figure it out and I'm not going to want to have to depend on somebody to do it and that's because how I was raised good or bad and big motivator for me everybody that tells me I can't do something that's my okay watch me like because that's been my whole career and it is still to this day and not even just me personally or your client will never be able to do that like when Michael was up for the research job they're never going to put you know a D-lineman that played in the NFL next to Kelly Ripa I'm like okay watch you know and just even with good morning America.

42:29He sits next to Robin Roberts and George Stephanopoulos, two of the most well respected journalists. And he won a Peabody, like from a story that he reported on. So anytime people tell us we can't do something and we're living that every day, not just with coach prime, but with Travis, with Shador Sanders, with Shiloh Sanders, like all everybody, like whether you like coach or don't like coach, you have to respect what he's built. And the fact that he's turn two college programs around in the last four years and we're sending a few kids to the NFL draft this year that's another great motivator for me like when I mean there's always a cycle of just you know the media there's hatred that comes from him and I get calls some amazing friends in the business like and I mean very successful fancy saying do you need help like this the media is killing him I'm like nope like we've seen this before we're going to ignore it because it's going to turn because I know he's going to win.

43:26And they're like, how do you know? I don't know. I just do, whether it's faith, blind faith, you know, whatever you believe in, but this is going to turn around. And I think it worked out. It worked out really good. She's a, she's an incredible, just because when people are on that, I know you guys, I want to also brag on them a little bit. If I know something to brag on them about the certainty thing I said earlier is true. and she's just a massive advocate for other people. And when you're that person, good things happen to you. By the way, on Coach Prime, you're not speaking for him. I'm just asking your opinion.

44:00He has turned around two college football programs. Do you think at some point in his life he may turn around an NFL football program or do you think that he would not? Just your opinion. My opinion is he's very happy where he is right now. And I can't imagine him coaching at the professional level against his children. So rather stay in college at Colorado to do that. Gotcha. Okay, fair enough. I had to ask that because if I don't ask you that, I'm going to get killed for not asking that question in the interview. You know, I think one of your best things is you're a connector of people. and you can bring a lot to the table.

44:45You know, people, you have value in life with what your ideas are. You have value in life with what your talents and skills are, but you also have value in life. If you can connect people together, you have really good relationships, people. And by the way, they're respect-based. I remember the first time, not name dropping, it just happened. First time I mentioned to Alex Rodriguez about you and he's like, Ooh, gone. Okay. Yeah, dude, she's a serious lady she's awesome but you do not want to mess with i just want to say this because you're meeting this very sweet nice person here today everyone in the industry also knows this you better not cross one of khan's clients because you're going to get the wrath of khan if that ends up happening this is a tough woman as well but how have you do you have an intentional way or is it just like your gift and building relationships with people you said something earlier about sending the, all the influencer friends, you know, packages.

45:36Now, obviously that's maybe they'll share it, maybe they'll wear it, but you are your real high touch on relationships as well. Is that an intentional thing? And how do you do it? I'm an only child and didn't come from a big family. Like any of my cousins were older than me. So I just, it's not like I realized this as I was doing it, but I had, I still probably have like five different groups of friends, but I can bring them all together and they all get a lot because they all have, you know, just the same sort of commonality, which is very good, fun people that would take that 3 a.m. phone call.

46:11And that's how it all kind of started, which the networking or whatever it is. And I also, my very first boss at the NFL, a woman named Maureen Rosen, to this day, one of my closest friends, but she was so instrumental in teaching me how to be a good business person. And so much of that was networking. And to this day, I can pick up the phone and call somebody from 30 years ago and say, Hey, I know we haven't talked, but would you be interested in this? Or would you know that person? And I get the same phone calls. I got a text today from somebody I worked with at the NFL in the mid nineties that they were inquiring about a potential client coming in.

46:45And I love that. Like that's so important. And, you know, I always tell whether it's, you know, the people I mentor or the team here, don't burn a bridge. You can stand up for yourself all the things, but don't burn a bridge. And there's a few people that have burned bridges with me, unfortunately. And those are phone calls I won't take. Like I can forgive, but I don't forget. My mom, on the other hand, sees the good in everybody, loves everybody. I did not get that gene from her. Mom just had a big birthday. Tell him, tell him that. What was mom's birthday? Just happened, right? 99. 99. God bless her.

47:22We're going to Vegas for her hundredth. That's awesome. Mama's awesome. Okay. We only get a few more questions to ask you, by the way, welcome everybody. You're inside the mind and the ideas of one of the most, you know, influential people I know, but actually probably the most influential person that I know. So you mentioned earlier, the misogynistic thing. I just want to ask you about that because a higher percentage of women listen to the show now than men, although I'm grateful that there's millions of people that listen and watch of, you know, both genders. But having said that, is there any advice you would give to a woman in business or entrepreneur or entrepreneur, or just an executive in business that is unique to women when they walk in a room or are doing a deal or trying to get a meeting with somebody?

48:09Is there something that I wouldn't know that you know that you would share with them? My first thing, and this isn't always a popular opinion, just because you don't get the meeting doesn't mean you're not getting it because you're a woman. Like you have to learn to separate that. Maybe I just wasn't good enough, you know, in the room or, you know, didn't present a good enough, you know, document or whatever it is. So you have to make sure you're going into it with an open mind and objectivity of yourself, because I'm the first to say that had nothing to do with it. Like someone just texted me something like they're not calling me back.

48:42So I'm a woman. I'm like, no, you just aren't the right person for the job. Like that has nothing to do with it. So that's tough because that means you have to look in the mirror and look inside and say, you know, was I the right person, you know, to get this meeting? Then it's take the emotion out of it. How can I go into this room knowing that they are going to be misogynistic or I'm going to pick up on it, but I can't let it impact my head or my game. And I have to just look at this, you know, for what it is and then flip them. Like just force them to know that doesn't matter what gender the person is sitting across from you, I'm the best person to be in this room right now.

49:20And I'm human. Don't get me wrong. I'll walk out of a room, just be so mad and all the things. But at the same time, the one thing you can control is your emotions and your destiny. And I will just decide, you know what, that might have been a great opportunity, but I don't want to be in business with that person. Like we were taking some meetings in the private equity world and I'd be in a room and I could pick it up immediately and I'd walk out and I'd say, not the right team. And they'd like, we get it. Like the first time they didn't, like the guys that were representing us. And then after that, they were trying to look at it through my lens.

49:53And they were like, you were right. Like, no worries. Like, let's keep it going. So that's a big thing. And then, you know, there's so many of these magazines or awards that they say, you know, the best female in this or this, this. And I said, at some point we just have to be the best because there's no awards or any of that. He's the best man in this field. Like he's just the best. So I know I can start my path to retirement when people are just being identified as the best, not the best female. So good. You, um, you guys hear the certainty thing now that I said it, how there's this, she's got this real thing of, of certainty when she's, when she influences, it's super deep.

50:33Okay. I'm running out of time and this sucks. Cause by the way, we should do this like way more often because there really is like nine hours. I, I have not even got to like 30 of the things I wanted to ask you, but it would be okay. Good. I'm glad to hear that. It would be, it wouldn't be a full interview. I didn't ask you about your partnership and relationship with Strahan, with Michael. It is, it is a really special dynamic. And a lot of people have a difficult time with their business partner, right? Like when I coach entrepreneurs, usually not in the beginning, but usually middle or late stage businesses, almost always, it's like, my partner's not as motivated as they used to be.

51:14They're not carrying their weight. We can't agree on the direction or one of us wants to exit. One of us doesn't. And it seems at least my experience of being involved and then watching you over the years that this has really been a very effective partnership. I'm sure there's been stuff behind the scenes. So why has this worked with you and Michael? It seems like there's sort of one person in front, one's mainly behind the scenes. Did you each know your lane and your role? What is it about this relationship? And then just describe your relationship overall with Michael in your life. It's always evolving.

51:52And we're so lucky and we're so blessed because, yeah, of course, Do you have your, you know, little spats here and there, but it's more of a brother sister. We were both raised with the same work ethics. You know, his dad would say, when, not if. My mom would say, go clean, but if you think it's yours. So different verbiage, but same messaging to us. And both work so hard, all of our families, you know, all the things. And we met when I was working at the NFL. So when I left the NFL, I made an assumption that a lot of these guys that I couldn't help anymore, I wouldn't be friends with. And to his credit and Tony Gonzalez's credit, those were real friends.

52:32And so when Stray retired, he was calling me for advice. And I just said, listen, why wouldn't I just manage you at this point? Like, I don't mind giving you advice, but you don't have a talent manager. I said, you have Snoop. He said, I'm not as big as Snoop. I said, you're not today, but you're going to be. And he was like, really? I'm like, yeah. And that's how that started. And then it was a year after that, that he was always in the office, like just trying to learn or ask me to go to meetings. And I said, you know what? Control your destiny. Look at what Jay-Z did with Roc Nation or Jon Bon Jovi with his management company, Throwdown and just become another partner here.

53:09And he did it. And this was before he had the Regis job. So he was obviously on NFL on Fox, but we were in development, we're producing, you know, we're trying to build and create things. So it wasn't a defined lane per se, because he would take meetings that, you know, I couldn't be in, et cetera. And is this all sort of evolved? We just, it was almost unspoken. Like, obviously he's the on camera guy. I'm not trying to be an on camera person. And so it was easy in that sense. But when we have pitches, you know, for our scripted or unscripted or, you know, documentaries, if he's on, I'm not on.

53:45Like it's, it's rare if we're both on. So he does, you know, do what he can do from a timing perspective but we just truly want what's best for each other um we really just believe in each other if i'm having a down day he'll he'll pick up on it in college like what's up boss and um we we may not agree in the beginning but we always get to the same answer and sometimes i think he does that just to mess with me just so i know he's paying attention like are you torturing me like i have enough trouble and even though coach pimes you know, not technically like a partner in this company, he's done more for, for us and for me personally and putting me out front over the last few years.

54:24Like I, I, I can't thank him enough. Like everyone says it's the smack family. And it really is. We're really lucky. And if you believe in fate or a higher power previous lives, like I definitely have come across these spirits somewhere else. No, I believe that. And it really is guys. Cause I've just been around it enough myself. Like it really is a family feeling company. And that's a great lesson for those of you that are building an environment because smack's a big company, but it's not in the sense that there's not a ton of people they manage, but their influence is global and massive. Yet you feel like you're dealing with like kind of a mother and father or brother and sister and Michael and Constance and then like cousins and sons and daughters work there.

55:07And in some cases it literally is family, but I think you got to build that family environment in your business. You guys, I just, I think that's one of the keys. And then the two of you are just great friends. Know your culture, you know, smack stands for sports media and culture, and we will not change the culture here. If someone comes in and I can tell they're easily, you know, offended or overly sensitive, look, we're not the right place. And that's okay. Like there's nothing wrong with that, but in entertainment and sports, it's 24 seven year round. And we don't have, you know, for just the slowness or whatever.

55:39It's like, and that's, and there's nothing wrong with it. It's just, you've got to have a certain, you know, mentality to, to be in this field. It's bananas. You just said that. Cause that was my last question. I want people to know, I want people to know the work part. And so we've got a lot of thoughts and ideas and ideology and philosophy today and some behind the scenes. Then there's the work and man, everybody would love to be Emmy nominated. Everybody would love to be able to drop the names you do or be in the rooms you're in. Not everybody would work the hours. And so just for real stuff, like real entrepreneur talk for a second, what does work look like for you?

56:17And I mean, be serious here, Con, like how many days a week? How many days a month, hours a day, percentage of your life, however you want to describe it, would you say goes towards everything we're discussing today? Oh, a thousand percent. You know, and I'm sure with all the entrepreneurs you've had on your show and you being one of the best that I know, you've probably seen this poster or even invented it. It's it's shows an iceberg. Right. And it shows that. So there's the iceberg and then there's the ocean. And everyone talks about, you know, success. Everyone talks about this glacier, this iceberg that you see on top of the ocean.

56:52But an entrepreneur is everything that's below that's taken thousands or millions of years for this glacier to form. it's not overnight by any means so it is seven days a week and i do try to take vacations and the team does their best to have me you know not you know be on calls or this but when you own the business and you're in the business of people you can't always turn it off so if i do get my downtime i'll check emails in the morning at night but i'll say let me not do my calls things like I thought that's all I ever want is just a day without a zoo. Like I'm good. I can be on my emails all day.

57:30I just don't want to be on these zooms all day. Cause it's, it's so much, but again, I've always worked this hard, even as an assistant. And I love it. Like I thrive on it. And that's not for everybody and that's okay. But if you are going to own your own business, it never closes. And I didn't know I was an entrepreneur in my twenties. I had no idea. just like I didn't know what kale was, right? Like, I mean, it wasn't the word in the nineties that was thrown around the way it is today. But if I identified the talent at SMAC, and I don't mean the clients, they each have an entrepreneurial spirit.

58:05I can put somebody that's on the talent side on the creative and development side for production. I took someone that was on the talent side and moved them over to licensing and they've soared, Corral Chandler overseeing the brands there. And I said it earlier, I know what I'm good at, but I'm better at knowing what I'm not good at. And I brought a COO in April Grinnell three years ago who literally has changed how I operate, the trajectory of this business because I was just like, let's go, let's go, let's go. And we have business managers, but there was nobody doing the quarterly updates and putting goals and just things that are so basic.

58:40But when you're the creative, you don't always have time to focus on that. So I just keep trying to find the right talent to surround myself to keep building this business. So I can take a vacation. Oh, it's, you have to schedule her vacations. People ask me who Khan is. Last time I saw Khan, we had dinner and, um, I walked out and I won't say who it was, but a very well-known person knew who you were, but couldn't quite remember. You couldn't figure it out. I was in the parking lot getting my car and they said, who's, who's that is Schwartz. I said, I said, uh, wait, and they asked me about you.

59:13I said, jokingly, I said, there's no Illuminati, but if there was an Illuminati, she would be one of the founding members. She'd be one of the organizers. It's just a fact. So I love you. And this was like world class today, like world class conversations. I was so, so good. Thank you for being here, by the way. I was so nervous. All the people you have on here. I was like, gosh, I hope I don't disappoint and embarrass myself for you. Stop it. That was unbelievable. You guys, This is Constance Swartz Marini, Smack Entertainment, SMAC, is who you guys can go check out. But she really wants you to go check out season three of Coach Prime on Amazon right now.

59:53And I'm going to tell you, it's the best of the three seasons, and all three have been incredible. And she's on it. You're actually going to see Constance on it. So it's worth tuning in just for that alone. Thanks, Con. Thanks, Dad. I appreciate you. All right. God bless you, everybody. Max out. Share this episode. This is the Ed Myland Show.