The Seven Frequencies of Human Connection with Erwin McManus

29:16Individuals who emit a healer frequency create a safe space for people. They don't have to say, you're safe with me. You just know you are. When a person has a healer frequency, they see you for who you are. You feel seen. You feel the vulnerability is not a danger. and it's almost as if your wounds find a place to find healing and restoration. And one of the most powerful things when you hear a communicator and someone like yourself, when you're using a challenger frequency and you're calling people to extraordinary expectations and you're motivating them to an ambition that maybe they would not pursue without the level of faith you're infusing into them.

30:03But there's also brokenness. There's childhood trauma. There's an endless history of failure. There's a deep sense of insignificance and a question of whether they have the talents or intelligence or ability. And all of a sudden, that healer frequency is emitted at the same time. And that person finds this unexpected experience where they not only find the courage to act, but they find a source of healing that deals with the brokenness and the wounds that are holding them back from becoming the person they long to become. And I think some of the best communicators in the world, in fact, I'm certain of this, have a healer frequency that emits with another frequency.

30:47And many times when you go to a therapist, you'll only have a healer frequency. And so they're willing to process with you forever, but there's no progress. gosh that's true erwin whoa so you need to have a combination frequency to really help a person achieve their highest level of healing and health but i i i love this healer frequency it's the person you know how your friends will come up to you and go you know how you doing or just a stranger how you doing or you know somebody at work and they don't really want to know it's just a hello yeah and you go i'm doing fine even though your world's falling apart You know, yeah, I'm doing great, even though you're just absolutely in their pain.

31:28The healer is a person when they say, how are you doing? And you go, great. They look at you and go, nah, I don't think you're okay. And they see right through you and they can be terrifying because many times healers do not want to stay at the surface. They want to go deep. They want to deal with honest conversations and they may make you terribly uncomfortable. I didn't have this question reading the book but now that I'm listening to you can your frequency change as you age the reason I say that is just in my own case I think certainly I'm a challenger but that I am but in my own case I'm thinking no question at 30 was I a challenger of people I got to tell you like at 53 the way I view me which may be incorrect is more like the healer frequency as I've gotten older.

32:24So I'm wondering, can one step forward based on a change in life experience, or are you sort of the frequency you're born with? No, that's a great question. And the reason most people ask this question is most assessments are static. What you are is what you are. But the seven frequencies are dynamic. The basic assumption is that all seven frequencies are inside of every person but some of them will remain dormant all your life gotcha and some of them will be more dynamic and as as you grow the intention of this is twofold that your frequency would elevate and that your frequencies would expand gotcha so you might have another person who's a healer but their healing frequency isn't as developed as as let's say yours and and ironically it may be their primary frequency it might be your tertiary frequency but your healer frequency still more developed because of your maturity and each frequency grows through the combination of empathy and authenticity so as you grow in empathy and as you grow in authenticity every frequency elevates and becomes more powerful gotcha but yes you as you grow and as you live your life and as you go through experiences a different frequency can rise to the top in fact i think that one of the signs of under development is that you only have one frequency all of your life yeah so good yeah i just i think of you maybe more than anyone i've ever met very high on all frequency levels i would agree that commander is not your biggest one no question about it i would agree with that but uh my mother well he's a healer he's a motivator well he can challenge too i'm just thinking through friends of mine too as i'm sure everybody is as they're listening to this today and themselves.

34:11And by the way, the reason this matters, everybody is, and we'll talk about this in a minute, but one of the reasons it really matters is self-aware people are just happier and more influential. Just awareness of this changes you. And most of my friends, I think one of the things, most of them, if you're going to kind of be around me, I just like self-aware people because I think self-aware people are funnier. They can poke fun at themselves. They they make a bigger impact. And so that's why today's podcast is so critical, everybody, amongst many other reasons, because communication is everything.

34:45But it's also just an awareness of self and maybe also an understanding of your partner or the people that work with you. Or if you're building a company, are you lacking somebody with the healer frequency in your entire company? And that's the missing link. Are you lacking a commander? Are you lacking a motivator? So there's all kinds of applications of this. So I just want to interject that as the why the work matters so much okay so we've gone to commander we've gone to healer what's next the next i would focus on the professor the professor frequency is an interesting frequency in that it's very data driven it's about the attainment of knowledge information history data and then transferring it to people it's this belief that it's the knowledge that will change a person's life and what's really fascinating to me uh ed is that i've done this lecture done this conversation about the professor frequency in two interesting places one with i think it's author brooks from harvard university yeah i know and i was doing a q a with him and then i opened it up to the audience and someone asked him how do you deal with negative emotions and he literally said remember emotions are nothing but data and that this is a perfect professor frequency which is almost like stereotypical because he's a professor at Harvard right exactly studying happiness and struggles with happiness right so it's and and my other friend is also a person with an extraordinarily high IQ who claims to have the highest IQ in the world I'm not sure if that's accurate but he also has been studying happiness which is very interesting and has a system for how to be happy and he gave me a call at home after I talked about the seven frequencies really upset and challenged me saying, you said that only the professor frequency is focused on data, that data is truth.

36:36And I thought he was offended that it was too limiting. And he said, what else is there?

36:44He goes, aren't all the frequencies driven by data? And I said, no. He goes, give me an example of anything else besides I said, how about like love? Which I'm sure for him is data. And so the professor frequency is that person who downloads masses amount of information. And then the transmitting of that information is the key to your happiness, key to your freedom, the key to your future, the key to your better self. And yeah, and so what you go through oftentimes in school is you have people with professor frequencies who may not actually have any experience in that subject, but they know that subject better than everyone else.

37:25Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there are people at Harvard who know business better than you and have never made any money. That's exactly right. Yeah, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. And what I mean by knowing business better, I mean, they know the academic. Absolutely. They can read a balance sheet quicker than I can. They understand macroeconomics and microeconomics, and I don't. You're 100 % right. Totally true. And so this frequency is a very, very powerful frequency. And it works better when it's combined with another frequency. When a person only has a professor frequency, they see every solution as just a shift in information.

38:04Which, by the way, is a part of the huge problem in the political system is that both sides think they have the right information. And you don't change anyone's political view by adding more information. it's because we have a self-validating internal mechanism yeah where we only see the information that validates our already pre-held assumptions and positions a hundred percent that's right i'm just curious before we get to the other couple when it comes to what your family eats and drinks you know your choices matter you're the expert because you know what fits your life. And getting it right starts with good information.

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39:35Do you have a theory about what makes a great president, for example, like a leader? Do you think they should emanate a particular combination of frequencies? Or can any frequency make a great leader of a company or a country? Yeah, what's interesting, Ed, is that the question is what makes a great president is different than what makes a great candidate. And we usually combine those two. What do you mean? Well, for instance, without taking a political position on it, all right? whether you liked Barack Obama or not he stepped into a moment where there was lack of vision in our culture and his dominant theme was hope hope becomes oh now we're in the seer frequency okay and because the next frequency after the professor is a seer and I do think that the best leaders have a strong seer frequency okay they have an ability to imagine a different future a better future a better life a better self and to create a compelling magnetic environment where other people believe that vision is possible and pull people into that.

40:45And so what Barack Obama did in his first campaign was built it around vision. And so the vision America needed was overriding what policies we might agree on. And so when people go, why would people vote for him when they don't agree with his policies? It's because the seer frequency is so powerful that people will vote for a seer even if they disagree with the policies interesting interesting and you might not vote for someone whose policies you agree with if they don't seem to have a vision of the future so the seer frequency is very very important but sometimes let's say if you have economic collapse when you have economic collapse and everything's in disarray and everyone's in chaos you might want someone who has more of a professor frequency because they seem to have a handle on all the chaos and information and all the data and every and all the stuff's confusing everyone and they go no i understand all this yes yes and so it's really what frequency is the the complementary frequency that the culture and the environment the circumstance needs most it's really interesting because if i thought about and i'm you know you and i are very i don't know what you call us both politically we're similar in the sense that we're not really leaning one way or the other very dramatically but if I were like to think in basically my lifetime even though I wasn't quite born yet you said who were the great politicians if you want to call it that I'd tell you like Kennedy, Reagan, Obama the great communicators that have been president maybe Clinton and by the way that's not necessarily who I voted for I'm just about communication and I all of them have that ask not what your country can do for you you know they have that seer element to them no question about it that's interesting.

42:30That is, and that is one of the dynamic differences. Those individuals actually created a sense of a future that they would create if we entrusted leadership to them. Interesting. Very interesting. And so it doesn't matter in terms of political position. And frankly, one of the interesting dynamics that we've had for the last dozen years is that we don't have candidates who actually paint a compelling picture of the future. I was just thinking about that. It's all how bad it's going to be if you pick the other person. I don't want to over interject politically, but I can tell you that if Donald Trump could stop attacking the left and simply in the last five days cast a vision for the future, he would win the election in a landslide.

43:16Because the question people ask is, we know what you're against, but we want to know what you're for. We want to know that you—and it's not even— and see, policy doesn't answer that question. and the issue with Kamala is that no one senses that she has a vision for the future and so even people who agree with her politically are incredibly apprehensive because it feels as she walks in a fog and doesn't see a clear future being a seer adds an immense amount of clarity and confidence in people in their political choices. And so when I look at things, I don't just look at them politically. I go, what does this person bring to the moment that the environment so desperately needs?

44:03I got to tell you a quick interjection on that, and then we'll talk about Maven, which is the last one. I've got to know Wozniak pretty well from Apple, one of the two founders. And I've just become, especially the last three or four years, I've just become really interested in Steve Jobs. What made this guy built, I think, the most influential company of our time? You could argue one way or the other, but an Apple. And I asked Jobs one time, I asked, excuse me, Was one time, I said, what would you say? And it's amazing that you called it a seer. Because you know what he said to me, Erwin? I remember where I was sitting when he said it.

44:33He said, Ed, he could see things and get you to see things that you would never otherwise have seen without him. And he said, and then he told me, he says, Steve believed that you had to sell. I've talked about this many times. He said, sell a big enough dream that the dreams of everybody within your stewardship could fit inside the one you're selling. That's right. And that made him a seer dominant frequency as a leader. And so the terminology even of this download you got is so spot. He used the word see twice in the same sentence with me about jobs. who's clearly one of the great visionary CEOs, whether you agreed with when they let him go the first time or whatever, of all time.

45:15And so Erwin is so right on with this. What's a maven? Because I think you believe you have a lot of maven. Am I right about that? I do. And it's the last frequency identified and it was the most difficult frequency for me to identify. And a huge part of the challenge for me was I could see aspects of myself in the first five and Seer was the sixth one identified and and that's my second highest frequency and it's right next to my first or it's like your challenger and motivator are actually right next to each other okay and and my number one frequency is a maven and one of the most difficult things to explain to people about the frequencies is this one because it's not very common and sometimes i joke about it going it's not very helpful because steve jobs gave you a vision of the of of a future that could be created but he was also a maven because he saw the impossible there as possible okay okay yeah and a maven is a person who naturally lives outside of the box it's not a person who thinks outside of the box you can think out of the box with discipline with from any frequency mavens don't naturally think inside the box.

46:33And one of the things that really struck me with mavens is that they violate our view of what is normal, of what is right, of what is acceptable. And so I've spent my life being called a heretic. And I've spent my life living outside of orthodoxy even when I thought I was trying to cooperate. And I remember 30 years ago, someone asked me in an interview, what exercises do you use to think out of the box so much? And I said, you don't understand. I spent all my energy trying to think inside the box because I want to be loved and accepted. And there are some people who are just wired. The wires are not wired the same way.

47:17They just don't see reality the same way. They don't see the world the same way. And so they're always questioning reality. Would you think someone like Musk, what you do know about him, he'd be a maven? Yeah, Elon Musk is clearly a maven. You know, I got to go back to jobs and just to meet you in the middle on that. There's this great clip I'm actually using right now when I teach on social. Maybe we'll weave it in right now. Apple strategy is really simple. What we want to do is we want to put an incredibly great computer in a book that you can carry around with you that you can learn how to use in 20 minutes.

47:50We don't know how to do that now. It's impossible technically. So we had three options. One was to do nothing. The second one was to put a piece of garbage computer in a book. And we can do that, but our competitors are doing that, so we don't need to do that. The third option was to design the computer that we want to put into the book eventually, even though we can't put it into the book now. And right now, it fits in a bread box, and it's$10 ,000, and it's called leasing. The next thing we will do is we will find a way to put it in a shoebox and sell it for like$2 ,500. dollars and that'll be the next step and finally we'll find a way to get it in a book and sell it for under a thousand dollars but there's a clip and basically i'll mess it up but he basically says hey listen someday we're going to put this computer in a book he says in a book and he goes and we don't know how to do it yet basically and he goes we could do it right now like our competition does and it'll be crap and we won't do that but first it's going to cost x amount of money then it's going to cost y and eventually we're going to get this computer we're going to put it in a book and it'll be less than a thousand dollars he basically described the ipad 15 years before it happened.

48:53And so he was seeing things. So Seer and Maven are interesting, huh? Help me with the distinction there between the two. Seers help you see a more beautiful, powerful view of the future. Mavens attack what you believe is real. And they change your view of reality. You just literally described you. yeah that you just described you yeah i called you a contrarian thinker when i introduced you i called it a contrarian thinker i usually describe you that way but that's exactly you're a maven yeah and and one of the things i had to really struggle with and the reason it was so hard to see this is that i just always saw it as a a liability really because all my life um i i couldn't figure out how to see the world the way other people saw the world and and then i'd became a person of faith and so I thought oh I'm just gonna naturally be like a Christian like everyone's a Christian and nothing looked the same to me and even when I read the Bible I I see and hear something completely different than what other people see and hear and I just had to accept the fact that I just don't see the world from the same paradigm the same filter the same perspective and and it's one of the reasons why by the time I was 10 years old I was in a psychiatric chair and out of a hospital because you know at 10 years old I'm trying to figure out whether there's any meaning to my existence and whether human existence is arbitrary or intentional and I created a scenario in my own mind that you know I was from another planet that they had dropped me here as an experiment to see if our species could merge with humans and I would run away from home and go out to fields and scream to the stars when I'm 9, 10, 11 years old going, it doesn't work.

50:46We don't fit here. Please take me back. And I felt this incredible sense of loneliness. I was just thinking about children like you, which is rare, but if you're raising a maven, how many of those mavens when they were being raised by a non-maven who couldn't get it were constantly told to get back in this other box, get back in this other box, be like everybody else. I think our education system probably helps eliminate most of those people from thinking they're smart because they don't fit into just transferring information. And I've always wondered about you, Erwin, and this is a personal thing and I hope it doesn't violate any trust.

51:24And if it does, we won't even put it in the show. But when I met you, I immediately thought this is one of the most brilliant people I've ever met. And I'm going to compliment him and then I'm going to ask him a hard question everybody and everything I'm about to tell you is true and it's gonna be personal for you I I'm asking is I want to ask you this privately but we'll record it if you don't want to put it out we won't but I meet this man and the first thing when Erwin walks in a room and I mean this he's very handsome first thing is he's very handsome man and then when you begin to listen to him he's he he has this high an IQ and as big of an imagination as anybody I've ever note.

52:01And then he's got this amazing heart. He's kind and generous and he's definitely got a lot of healer in him. He really does. His vocabulary when he speaks, it's like poetry. And when he says things, it moves people like me. And I'm, you know, I know a lot. I know everybody. And I just thought, what a remarkable man. And then when you're in a room, he's one of these guys, when he walks in. He's not a here I am. He's a there you are guy. Always makes other people feel special. However, I was struck when I met him that I don't think he knew that about himself. I was struck it if I'm being candid because I love him and I'm going to ask you this because I want everyone raising a child with whatever their frequency is that could just be different than them.

52:52I don't know if I would call it a lack of confidence based on capacity, but I think that's what I would say. Someone who has this massive capacity and has changed millions of people's lives yet seem to not have the confidence equivalent to his abilities and nowhere even remotely close to it. And I remember thinking if I could wish for this man, it would be that he knows how incredible he is because I think his impact would even be bigger than it has been, yet it's been so big a am i right about that b why c what would you say to somebody who may be taking that confidence from their child just because they're different than them well this is a awkward moment and um thank you uh ed um for um you know everything you've expressed but yeah absolutely i i am a person that has um struggled with confidence all of my life and I've always felt that

53:59I just, you know, I didn't have what other people had or didn't have the ability other people had or the talent or... And, you know, some of it goes back to some, you know, maybe childhood experiences and stuff like that. And I was a straight D student, first through 12th grade. and I just couldn't focus and sit in the class. It was so boring. And I remember even when I took geometry, it's stupid, but I missed class all the time. I showed up, took a test. I got all the answers right. They brought me in front of the class, accused me of cheating, and moved me into a portable by myself to take the next test to prove that I wasn't stealing the test.

54:44and because when they asked me how could you understand solve all these problems i said well you organize the questions based in different sections i just looked at you know the the similarity between all the different problems and figured out what the formula would be and the answers just seemed self-evident and and so instead of somebody coming and going hey you might have like a peculiar ability i was told i i'm a cheater and that i need to be put in a portable by myself to take the test and and and i thought i failed the test so i i said why do i need to cheat to fail and those kind of experiences just kept happening to me throughout my life and so i just thought wow i i whatever it is that makes a person great i don't have that whatever and um so yeah i i'm really aware that i have limited my impact in the world because of my lack of self-belief and it's something i really do live with and and by the way and i'm just going to say this um one of the reasons i felt that you were a gift from god to my life is that one thing i am is i'm a voracious learner and i you know i have a lot of issues but like arrogance isn't really one of them i'm not i'm incredibly teachable and so i would watch you and learn from you and I would find attributes in you that were incredibly admirable that I lacked.

56:11And so I just began absorbing things that you had and because of your, frankly, your invitation to be on your podcast opened up a different world for me as well. And when I would be in those worlds, I would realize, oh, this is a really easy world. Yes. In terms of like, I can swim here. I didn't know, I didn't know. And I remember when someone came to me and introduced me to this person that was supposed to be the most brilliant person in the world. And he came and sat next to me and goes, I was told a conversation between us was inevitable, so let's go. And I'm so nervous. And then an hour later, I'm leaving going, oh, he's just regular.

56:53He's just normal. And I don't know what a genius IQ looks like, but it feels very natural to have these conversations and be able to actually win the argument. Well, I knew that when you would get in those rooms, I knew what would happen. And I also knew the more successful, I don't want, I'd call it maybe the person's vibrational frequency, the higher they were, the more they would notice this in you. I knew this about you. Sometimes in life, it's just important to have someone maybe that you might admire say, uh-uh, you have the goodies. And I want to ask you, by the way, I just want to say this, everybody, the way I phrased the question too, Irwin's made a massive impact in the world.

57:34Very rarely will a month go by, maybe a month, where I meet somebody who says, hey, you changed my life, or hey, just so you know, Irwin McManus made this impact on me as well. So it's like, let's be very clear, Irwin's, I just don't know that I've ever met somebody with a capacity greater than Irwin's. That's what I'm telling you. And I mean that. and I'm wondering if you were giving someone advice, is your frequency to some extent your communication genius in every person? And do you feel like it's really dangerous if I'm a, let's just say I'm a professor-type frequency, and my wife and I give birth to a challenger or a commander, that you almost try to get your children to conform to your frequency and that you suppress that in them to some extent?

58:25Yes, we don't mean to do it. You know, we crush our children out of love. And because we think if they become a version of us, they become the best version of themselves. And one of the things that's really helpful is to help your children understand what environments they thrive in. Because if my primary frequency, let's say, was motivator, I would thrive in the audience, you know, of people who simply need to be motivated. But I realized that I work best with people who are top tier thinkers, leaders, innovators, entrepreneurs. I help people become great. I'm not as great as helping people become average.

59:08Those aren't the problems that I'm good at solving. And so some of it is I had to realize, oh, there are other people who can solve those problems better than me. And I shouldn't be using my energy to do that. I can do those, but I just become average there. It's almost as if as the pressure cooker gets more intense and more intense. And as there is a reduced space for failure. Yes. Because you naturally move toward a space that minimizes your room for average. A lot of people have a lot of room for success because they're choosing average. Yeah, right. Right. So you can you can hit average. Yeah.

59:51And but every time you push yourself a little bit further up, the gap closes of making wrong choices or being the wrong person. So good, Erwin. By the way, everyone, we're going to get to some life stuff. And I always go a little long with Erwin because it's too good. My producer's already looking at me, but we're going longer because it's too good. But I want to say one thing to everybody. We're going to talk about how you can find your frequency in a minute. So Erwin wrote about me in the book and described what my frequency was and then I took the uh test what you call it a test what do you call it an assessment an assessment and it ended up being a hundred percent spot on like 99 spot on so you can describe that if you want really quickly but then also everybody can go get their assessment to figure out what the assessment tells them their frequency is you can tell them how yeah actually because I knew the data I was a hundred percent right about you okay okay and what people won't be able to see because you see your top three challenger motivator healer but your seer and commander are just as equally strong as your healer motivator and challenger interesting so basically you have this communication frequency cluster and and what i wanted to really highlight was the fact that you have an unusual ability to use commander and healer and challenger at the exact same time.

1:01:11Other people may be able to use them one after another. But I've listened to you when you're in an optimal space. I've listened to multiple frequencies coming out of your soul. I think it's pretty extraordinary. Thank you. And so I describe you in the book as having that unique ability to use a triad. Yeah. And I think sometimes you use the triad of challenger, motivator, healer. But I also know that there are times you use the triad of challenge your commander healer interesting and you just basically get up there and you you have earned authority and i think you're self-aware enough to know i have intrinsic authority in this room i can tell this room what to do because they're ready to listen there are other rooms you go i don't have the same level of intrinsic authority so i'm gonna have to challenge this room and then other rooms you go i don't have any intrinsic authority here and i'm at my lat and And I'm more of a celebrity to them than I am an authority to them.

1:02:11And you use that motivator frequency as a dominant frequency. I actually think it's the tip of your spear that changes as you communicate. So that's the way I would read you. And that's how I describe you in the book. I will accept that very much so. What is fast, thank you, by the way. What is fascinating is to take this assessment, you guys. And it's not hard to do. And it'll be very revealing to you. And it's a gift. Irwin's basically, it's not a gift. I mean, it's a nominal charge for it, right, Irwin? Well, actually, what I wanted to do is it's normally 20 bucks, which is pretty cheap. But we've created a code that says my let seven.

1:02:43And anyone who goes will get it for seven dollars. Oh, cool. OK, awesome. And the reason we do seven is I'm trying to help them remember to pick up the book, the seven frequencies of communication. So I want that number seven blazed into our souls. Where do they go to put in my let seven? What's the where do they go? Go to the seven frequencies dot com. OK, the seven frequencies dot com. spell it out and then just go there and the code is my let seven at checkout okay everybody please do that i want to ask everyone a couple life questions really quick because we're we're over and it's just i just i never want to let everyone go when he's on you talked about this recently and it just struck me this isn't a frequency thing necessarily but why are so many people and you said you had a little of this too or maybe a lot of it they're in their own way they're their own biggest enemy in life.

1:03:29Yeah. Why? How? I think there can be multiple reasons, but self-doubt is a really fascinating thing. It really comes down to what voices you allowed to determine your identity. All of us have a series of voices that speak to us from childhood all the way through life. But those voices do not matter until you accept them as your voice. so if someone says to you you don't matter but your voice tells you you do matter that voice doesn't have power over you but when you let that voice shape who you are and i think for me ed i i had voices and inside of me saying um don't be too successful i literally was always my greatest enemy this voice because i i'm a deeply spiritual person yes and i and i have this i mean my life is centered around the person of Jesus Christ.

1:04:26And I've never wanted to do anything to invalidate my relationship with him or to cause anyone to ever question my sincerity. So what that did for me is it actually created some self-limiting mindsets because I didn't know how to become the full version of myself and not have people question my faith. And when I had to realize eventually i think this one things i learned from you and so many others is the the better you're at something the more people are going to hate you there is there is no way to escape opposition or hate or whatever you want to describe it and once i could accept that going even if i'm completely sincere there's always going to be people who question your sincerity and and so then i went well if i'm going to have people who hate me anyway, I might as well be the best version of myself.

1:05:22I might as well move toward optimal performance. And at this point in my life, Ed, I'm at the point where I'm going, I want to have the greatest impact on the world that I can while I'm still on this earth. And writing the seven frequencies was a huge part of that journey for me. Writing MindShift was a huge part of that. And what I'm going to do from this point forward in my life is I'm going to give to the world what I feel will create the greatest contribution on this planet. And you have to decide at some point, I will not live my life based on the voices that are speaking at me. That I will listen to a deeper inner voice that calls me to the greatest purpose that I have.

1:06:01That's so good. Erwin, you're so, he's had so much to give you guys. And I remember, you probably don't remember this, but there's even shame in some people's lives about making a little bit of money. Oh, I've been, I've had so much shame for that. in my own life ed i i mean my wife and i lived i had a salary of less than twelve thousand dollars for 10 years because i thought it was ethically wrong for me to make money we slept on the floor i wouldn't buy a bed because i i told her that was a luxury not a necessity i i don't i don't know what what got into my head and i remember one day we were married we had kids and i said i think that it's okay i think god told me it's okay for me to make some money and she goes you You can make money.

1:06:45I said, Oh, I've always known how I just would have to stop myself. And she goes, well, could you, you know, start like now, but I always put a cap on myself. Yes, right. You did Erwin. You did. And, and I, I've always known I could make billions of dollars. I've never had that confusion in my head. And I would, the confusion in my head was, do I give myself permission? Do you know what you said to me about what you just, why is this so huge? Why I asked you? I was wondering if you were going to say this. You guys, you won't remember this, Erwin. We were at a friend's house. You know whose house it was that lives on the ocean.

1:07:21And you and I walked into the kitchen and I kept telling you, you're in this room and you're like, I've met these guys now and it's not that big of a deal. And I said, Erwin, you could impact millions of people. And you said, Ed, and you kind of had this cringe when you said it to me. You go, I think I'm going to allow myself to make some real money now. And even when you said it, there was this discomfort in you. I said, Erwin, you have permission to do that. You just got to give it to yourself. Now, I don't know that you remember that moment, but I know where I was standing in the kitchen when you said it.

1:07:52And I just want everybody to hear this. This is a man who's coached some of the most influential people in the world, top people in industries come to him. And even in his case, he had to give himself permission to allow some form of abundance to flow into his life because of some sort of a limiting belief around it. Now, if that's true of someone with his eloquence and brilliance, are any of you suffering with something that you're not giving yourself permission to feel, whether that be joy or love or the love of God, your faith to know you can be somewhere in eternity. Maybe it's wealth, maybe it's physical health, but there's probably something today that you're not allowing yourself or giving yourself permission to have and feel and give yourself the gift today like Erwin did.

1:08:34And by the way, once Erwin unlocked that type of permission, he had more financial abundance, but his impact grew with the world changers he now affects, right? And that opened up other lanes for you. Absolutely. And one of the things I realized for myself is I'm just not motivated by money. It's not a good motivator for me, but I am motivated in seeing people's lives changed. And instead of waiting for someone to finance the vision we have to impact the world, we create the wealth, we finance it, we help millions of people. It's just so much more exciting, to be perfectly honest. yeah yeah you light up when you talk about it you do yeah can someone i want to ask you one last question on the frequency thing because i i feel like i i want to know this for myself can someone shift their frequency intentionally or do you just like play to your strength and your genius well you can shift and if it's a high frequency for you okay but we didn't even go there but there are seven shadows within each one of these frequencies at can you go there for us at the end here go there for a minute well i don't want to keep you too long okay and give us a flavor give us a flavor all right so i'm going to name the shadows the shadow of the motivator is the performer the shadow of the challenger is the manipulator the shadow of the commander is the dictator the shadow of the healer is the cipher the shadow of the seer is the perfectionist the shadow of the professor is the diminisher and the shadow of the maven is the nihilist And this is a spectrum.

1:10:01It's not that you're in one category or the other category All of us are on a journey toward authenticity and living our life in the light and even the best of us we can be Motivators and find ourselves insecure in a moment or uncertain in a moment and we become performers You know all of us. Um, let's say if you have a commander frequency Uh, if you're if you're angry if you're you know, if if you've had a fight with your wife and or if you're you know your child has disappointed you you can shift into the shower and become a dictator and if if you're a healer and you love helping people find the deep healing of their wounds but when you're in your own wounds you become a cipher and you start using people for your own healing rather than giving your life for their healing each one of these has a very strong shadow that pulls the person in.

1:10:54The professor, the professor who's living in their shadow becomes a diminisher. That person who elevates themselves by speaking badly about other people, making you less rather than making myself more and pulling you up with me. Each one of these has a strong shadow. The challenger, because it's such a powerful frequency, can become a manipulator. And what I would say is the way you can understand the shadow is when your frequency is focused on serving, your frequency naturally moves toward the light. And when your frequency is focused on self, it naturally moves into the shadow. And you can't change your frequency without changing the condition of your soul.

1:11:39And when people go, well, how do I get out of my shadow? Well, you have to get rid of bitterness, anger, jealousy, greed, envy. You got to get rid of the stuff that actually informs that frequency. How do I move to my positive frequency? You have to fill your soul with hope and love and compassion and joy and faith. And when you're fully alive, your frequency naturally becomes an authentic frequency of light. Come on, you guys. Have you heard a podcast like this ever in your life? This is just incredible. I am so grateful for you. and um you know one other thing erwin by the way everyone go get the seven frequencies of communication okay just go get it god's so incredible in his wisdom for years guys people were trying to introduce erwin and i many years ago it just never happened and i'm very convinced that for both of us god introduced us at the exact right time in our lives and it was many years ago but it was not when i had hoped to know him or i think even when my name first came up on his radar.

1:12:46Yet the timing was absolutely perfect. And my life is so much better because you're in it. And my only regret is that we sound like we talk more today than we actually do because we both become so busy. But there's that it's that relationship with somebody that you just love and admire and adore so much that you miss when they're not around. And as I promised you in the beginning, everybody, when you're done having a conversation with them, you find yourself reflecting on it hours, days and weeks and sometimes months and years later. And I promised you that in the beginning, and I'm almost 100 % positive that that will be true for many of you tonight, tomorrow, weeks from now, months from now, and years from now.

1:13:22Erwin, thank you. I love you. Thank you so much. This has been a wonderful conversation, Ed. Sure has. Love you, man. I love you. Seven frequencies of communication, everybody. Share the episode. Get on my email list at edmylett.com if you've not done that so you're getting updates and early access to the show. God bless you. Max out. This is the Ed Myland Show. We'll be right back.