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Podcast Episode Notes: The Game with Alex Hormozi - Episode 21: Continuity Offer. Lifetime Upgrades.
Episode Overview In this episode, Alex Hormozi discusses the importance of continuity offers and lifetime upgrades for maintaining customer loyalty and maximizing revenue. Drawing from his personal experiences, Hormozi shares how he transitioned from selling one-time products to developing a successful continuity model that increased his business's revenue significantly.
Key Concepts
- Continuity Offer: A subscription or recurring service that keeps customers engaged and generates consistent revenue.
- Lifetime Upgrades: Permanent enhancements or benefits provided to customers that incentivize them to remain subscribed.
- Bonuses: Additional value offered to customers to encourage longer-term engagement with the continuity service.
Detailed Insights
Origins of the Continuity Offer
- Initial Struggles:
- Hormozi faced challenges with payment processing after launching gyms, leading to a desire to wind down his gym launch business.
- A pivotal moment occurred when a gym owner refused to cancel his gym launch, prompting Hormozi to offer a licensing model instead.
- Licensing Model Success:
- The licensing offer provided gyms with proven materials (ads, scripts, training) for $16,000, leading to average earnings of $30,000 for gym owners within the first month.
- This model allowed him to generate substantial revenue but created a limitation: he could only sell to each customer once.
Transition to a Continuity Model
- Need for Regular Revenue:
- Hormozi recognized the necessity of an ongoing revenue stream to fund growth and personal income.
- Implementation of a Continuity Offer:
- He developed a continuity offer that included delivering a new money-making strategy to gym owners every two weeks.
- This approach kept customers engaged, leading to a dramatic increase in revenue from $300,000 to $4 million per month.
Importance of Keeping Customers Engaged
- Creating Reasons to Stick:
- Hormozi emphasized that while good offers attract customers, ongoing value is crucial for retention.
- He highlighted the importance of giving customers "good reasons" to stay subscribed.
Types of Bonuses
- One-Time Bonuses: Offered once to incentivize initial engagement.
- Variable Bonuses: Provided on a schedule but vary to keep content fresh and engaging.
- Lifetime Upgrades: Permanent enhancements to the service that customers retain as long as they remain subscribed.
Strategies for Implementing Bonuses
- Timing and Value:
- Bonuses can be offered based on delays (e.g., after a set amount of time) or milestones (e.g., achieving specific goals).
- Customers should be informed about upcoming bonuses to maintain excitement and anticipation.
- Combining Bonuses:
- Hormozi encourages combining different types of bonuses to enhance value and keep customers engaged over the long term.
Customer Status and Recognition
- Labeling Customers:
- Assigning status labels (e.g., VIP, Elite) to customers as they unlock bonuses creates a sense of achievement and loyalty.
- Public acknowledgment of status changes enhances the perceived value and encourages retention.
Conclusion Hormozi's key takeaway is that in order to sustain customer engagement and revenue through continuity offers, businesses must provide ongoing bonuses and value. By understanding the dynamics of when and what to offer, entrepreneurs can create compelling reasons for customers to remain subscribed and engaged with their products or services.
Summary Points
- Continuity offers are essential for sustained revenue.
- Bonuses can significantly enhance customer retention.
- Clear communication about bonuses is crucial; keep customers informed about what to expect.
- Status labels and public recognition can motivate customers to stay.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Continuity offer, lifetime upgrades, get them to stick. Lost chapter, author note. This chapter delineates lifetime versus one-time bonuses. I thought too many people would struggle to fit in the business. you have a continuity service, this model can be very effective. June 2017. After launching 30-ish gyms by hand and getting absolutely crippled by payment processing problems, crazy story by the way, you can read all about that in$100 million leads, Layla and I had had enough. We wanted to wind down gym launch and do a weight loss offer instead, but that meant I had lots of gyms to break the news to.
0:35And when I called up the first gym to cancel his launch, he refused. After some back and forth. He asked if I would just teach him instead of flying out to do the launch. I agreed. Gym launch was saved. And just like that, I stumbled on gym launch licensing offer, which we still use to this day. So instead of flying out, I provided our already proven gym launching stuff. Think ads, scripts, sales training, follow-up tactics, and so on. And I licensed it all for$16 ,000. The stuff worked. Gyms using our materials made on average$30 ,000, almost twice what their investment was in the first 30 days.
1:07For the average gym owner, that was life-changing, but I still had a looming problem. Even though the product was expensive and worked, I could only sell each customer once. So after I sold it, that was it. A problem if you want to reinvest in growth and pay yourself. My preference, I like getting paid. So to solve it, I had to sell something else. A continuity product fit the bill. Even if I used all the cash from the first purchase to get more customers, the continuity offer would keep money coming in. But I didn't have a continuity product. Boo. Then I had a stroke of luck. A gym reached out and gave me a perfect opportunity.
1:36Hey man, how are you? I'm in. Uh, what? Seriously, on your next thing, I've already made 55k in the last six weeks. It's a 340 % return. So if your next thing is half as good as this, let me just buy it yesterday. Uh, so how's your semi-private training going? Uh, we actually don't have any, he replied. Uh, how much do you make on supplements? Zero. We don't have those either. Feeling confident now. What about churn? Hiring, internal plays. You got those sorted? Not really. His confidence dropping. When coming out of his sales. Time for the offer. I see. So do you want to get out of the daily grind and actually scale a legit chain of gems?
2:14He puffed back. Dude, that sounds awesome. Like I said, where have you got him in? Downselling the upsell. All right. It's way higher price and you got to stay longer. Cool. I think so. He said, getting a bit shaky. It's punching numbers into my calculator. $42 ,000 a year for three years. He sat there, silent. Shoot. Throw in the bonus. On top of that, you'll get access before you start paying. Cool. Taking out his own calculator, he looked shocked. Then spirked, Alex, there's$3 ,200 a month. That's 20 % cheaper than gym lunch. Yeah, you got a deal. What do I get first? Oh boy. Well, that depends on what's holding your gym back right now.
2:51So we'll figure out that bottleneck, and then I'll make that play to solve it. We'll repeat that process every two weeks until you've got more money than you know to do it. Sound good? Bi-weekly plays specific for my gym? Fantastic. Let's do it. Little did he know, I had nothing ready yet. I left that up to future Alex. But I did know one thing. I had a continuity offer. One where I provided a new money-making play every 14 days. Yikes. It was insane. And so were the results. I would keep this up for almost two years. It exhausted me to my core. But it meant I could plow all the extra cash into getting more customers and get paid.
3:24So I did. And Jim Launch's revenue went up by more than 13x, from$300 ,000 a month to$4 million a month as a result. So it worked. This turned into an important lesson for me. Customers would start any offer if I made it tasty enough, but they'd only stick if they had good reasons to. So I gave them one every 14 days. Our revenue kept scaling, not because we sold more customers, but because I gave them good reasons to keep paying. So a good offer got them to start, and good bonuses got them to stick. Now, so can yours. description. With the previous offers in this section, we got people to start our continuity program.
3:59Now we focus on getting them to stick. So once they become customers, they stay customers. That said, we can get people to stick to continuity offers longer with bonuses, more value on top of the continuity product itself. So improving monthly stick means providing extra value in some way monthly. When I make a bonus, I think of when and what. For the when part, I use delays or milestones. This means how long do they have to wait delays or what do they have to do to achieve milestones to get the thing. For the what, I give them a one-time bonus, a variable bonus, or a lifetime upgrade. A one-time bonus, you give one time.
4:36Think of one thing, one use, one activity, or one time access. A variable bonus, you give on a schedule, but it changes each time. And a lifetime upgrade means a permanent high value change in continuity status. Think an entire feature or service. This means that you simply pair a when with a what. Putting them together, the person has to wait a certain period of time or do certain stuff to get the bonus once, get a variable bonus on a schedule like monthly, quarterly, or yearly, or get the same bonus forever. The time to the first bonus extends their stay one time. And if you keep giving them bonuses, you can extend their stay more times.
5:11If you're not sure what bonus to offer, think of it two ways. First, how can I give them more or better of something. From a value equation perspective, think faster, easier, or risk-free. And finally, if you just want to list the different types of bonuses, refer to bonuses chapter in $100 million offers and feature downsells in$100 million money models. Both will give you different perspectives on types of bonuses. All in all, you can probably make a continuity offer on anything that provides continuous value. You can get them to stick on that continuity offer longer by adding bonus value well after their first payment and often.
5:44Here's some examples. Delayed one-time bonus for local service. When? Stay a recurring customer for four months in a row and you become an advanced member. What? As an advanced member, you get access to our annual customer appreciation palooza. Delayed recurring bonus. Local service. When? Stay a recurring customer for four months in a row and on the fifth month. What? VIPs get first-in-line access to in-demand time slots. Milestone bonus. Digital product. When? For every friend you refer. What? We give you one more module. Recurring bonus. Consumable physical product. When? Stay a recurring dog food customer.
6:24What? A new dog treat, toy, or book every month. When? Stay a recurring butcher box meat customer. What? Lifetime free bacon with every order. If you cancel, you lose it. Continuous physical use. Car lease. When? Every 3 ,000 miles, a milestone, or every six months, delay. What? You can get the car service for free. bonus. Important notes. Make sure customers know about your bonuses. They can only get excited enough to stay longer to get it if they know it exists, so tell them. Whether they're just signing up or a year in, always let them know what comes next. And if you have recurring bonuses, right after you give it to them, let them know about the next one.
7:02Always keep them wanting more. How to tell customers about upcoming bonuses. Let customers know the type of bonuses they get, but keep the bonus itself a surprise. This gives you flexibility and makes the bonus more valuable. In the gym lunch example, customers knew they would get a new play from me every month. But I kept the exact play as a surprise. To be clear, the bonus was on top of licensing stuff they already got. This made it both recurring and valuable, which makes sense because we want them to pay as much as possible continuously. Variable bonuses or lifetime upgrades Unless your bonuses give a huge and permanent improvement, keep it variable.
7:39No matter how good you make your thing, customers will get used to it. So giving new stuff more often, even if less valuable, frequently keeps more customers interested longer. Making milestones for your milestone bonuses. As always, I try to make all my milestones either things that make my customers more successful, think activation points, or things that make me more successful, think advertising on my behalf. Ideally, things that do both. For example, if publicly posting that they are starting a weight loss challenge will increase their adherence and advertise my business, then why not give them a bonus when they do it?
8:12Think of all the tips from the win your money back chapter in$100 million money models. All of those apply. Combine bonuses when you can. You can combine both the whens and the what's from earlier. For the whens, you're going to have something that they get at a delay and another bonus they only get if they achieve a milestone. For the what's, a one-time bonus will get them to sign up and stay to that point. A recurring bonus, variable or lifetime upgrade will keep them staying after. So you might put one big bonus for getting them to stay for X period, and then another permanent upgrade after they get the Y period, and then another one-time bonus after they achieve a milestone.
8:47Use them all. With proper framing, you can make lots of stuff a variable bonus. The bonuses can be new things, better things, or more of what they already like. Giant streaming services do all three. They already have more stuff than any one person could ever consume. Ever. But they still come out with new shows, more seasons that people like, and better ways to match content to viewers' preferences. Give customer status and bragging rights when they unlock bonuses. Once customers unlock a big bonus, change their label. For instance, after someone stays six months, you might go from calling them a customer to a VIP.
9:21Smart cookies like us align the label with the traits of loyal customers. From a customer to committed, lifer, advanced, invested, all in, elite, and so on. Bonus points if you make the label something they can brag about and feel bad about losing. Kind of like airlines with their super duper diamond status. Celebrate status changes publicly. The more you compare status changes with little ceremonies or graduations, the more value the status change has. The more status they gain and the more status that gets them, the less they'll want to lose it. And by extension, getting them to stick. You can do these monthly, quarterly, or when you have big achievements to celebrate.
9:58Summary points. To get more people to stick for the long term, give them bonuses over the long term. When making bonuses, you want to know the when and the what. When you give a bonus is either on a delay or from a milestone. Delayed bonuses you give after a specified number of payments or time has passed. Milestone bonuses you give after the customer does something or achieves a result. What type of bonuses give you a one-time, variable, or lifetime upgrade? One-time bonuses happen once and extend the duration of customer's tenure once. So you may need to give lots of one-time bonuses over time and keep them staying over time.
10:31Variable bonuses give a different thing each time. Lifetime upgrade bonuses give additional features or services. You can combine bonuses. The more incentive someone has to start and stick, the better. When someone earns a big bonus, give them a new label to show their superior status. Make the bonus a big deal to the customer and do it in the public if they feel okay with it.
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