915: Why Your “Too Small” Idea Might Be the Exact Thing People Pay For

22 Sep 2025 · 58 min

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The Goal Digger Podcast Episode 915: Why Your “Too Small” Idea Might Be the Exact Thing People Pay For

Episode Overview In this episode of The Goal Digger Podcast, host Jenna Kutcher discusses the concept of niche businesses and how even the most specific ideas can be monetized effectively. Jenna offers coaching to Jennifer Gulizia, a flower farmer and garden educator, who is looking to refine her online course on dahlias. The conversation emphasizes actionable strategies for marketing niche offerings and encouraging listeners to consider the profitability of their unique passions.

Key Themes and Concepts

Embracing Niche Business Ideas

  • Overcoming Self-Doubt: Many aspiring entrepreneurs feel their ideas are "too niche" or "too small" to succeed. Jenna reassures Jennifer that a focused approach can attract a dedicated audience willing to pay for specialized knowledge.
  • Transformative Offer: Jenna emphasizes that the success of a business is rooted in providing transformation rather than just information. This means curating a clear path that leads customers to a desired outcome.

Marketing Strategies for Niche Courses

  • Positioning Against Free Content: Jenna suggests differentiating Jennifer's course by highlighting the limitations of free information, which is often incomplete or scattered. The course should promise a structured, step-by-step approach that provides real value.
  • Gaps and Gains: Use the "gap and gain" concept to illustrate the difference between where the customer currently stands and where they want to be, positioning the course as the bridge to get them there.

Seasonal Marketing Approach

  • Timing and Urgency: For seasonal products like dahlias, Jenna recommends creating marketing strategies that align with gardening seasons, offering limited-time promotions, and utilizing natural urgency to encourage sign-ups.
  • Launch Windows: Planning mini-launches during peak gardening times can help maximize conversions and build excitement.

Leveraging Affiliate Marketing

  • Affiliates Engagement Strategies: Jenna advises Jennifer to create excitement among affiliates through competitions and clear communication. Providing them with transformation stories and tools can enhance their ability to promote the course effectively.

Building a Community and Extending Offers

  • Integrating Offers Seamlessly: Incorporating pathways from the mini course to the membership model (the Dahlia Patch) can create a natural progression for students without feeling like a hard sell.
  • Using Testimonials: Highlighting success stories within the community can help establish credibility and encourage enrollment in the membership.

Personal and Professional Development

  • Growth through Team Expansion: As a solo entrepreneur, Jennifer is guided to consider the benefits of hiring help, starting with a virtual assistant to manage repetitive tasks that could free up her time for more strategic efforts.

Conclusion and Key Takeaways

  • Niche ideas, when marketed correctly, can lead to successful business ventures.
  • Focusing on transformation and clarity in offerings is essential for attracting and retaining customers.
  • Seasonal marketing tactics can effectively align with the nature of the product.
  • Building a community and utilizing affiliate marketing can significantly enhance business growth.

Resources Mentioned

  • Digital Course Academy: A program by Amy Porterfield that provides comprehensive training for launching online courses.
  • Goal Digger Facebook Community: A supportive space for aspiring entrepreneurs to connect and share.

Call to Action Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their unique ideas and consider how they can be transformed into profitable offerings. The episode invites them to explore the potential of their niche businesses and emphasizes the importance of community and support in the entrepreneurial journey.

For more insights, visit [Goal Digger Podcast](https://goaldiggerpodcast.com) and consider enrolling in Digital Course Academy to take actionable steps toward launching your own course!

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2:10Think your business is too niche to succeed online? In this coaching session, I'm chatting with Jennifer about how to sell a highly specific online course to a small but mighty audience and how to attract the right people to grow a business that feels deeply aligned. I'm Jenna Kutcher, and I help you trade hustle for purpose and build a business that gives you the life you actually want to live. From a$300 Craigslist camera to a seven-figure business I run from home, I've learned that success isn't just about what you do, it's about how you live. Here, you'll get strategies that work, systems that give you your time back, and steps that turn your effort into results and impact.

2:54If you're ready for clarity, confidence, and a business that feels as good as it looks, you're in the right place. This is the Gold Digger Podcast. Have you ever wondered if a mini course, something super niche and seasonal could actually become a legit revenue stream for your business? Or maybe you felt stuck thinking, why would somebody pay for this when there's so much free content out there. If so, this episode is exactly what you need to hear. Today, I'm coaching Jennifer Galizia, a flower farmer and garden educator who turned her passion for dahlias into a beautiful educational business.

3:31She's the founder of The Flowering Farmhouse, which is a regenerative flower farm in Oregon. And she's created a seasonal mini course to help home gardeners learn how to dig, divide and store their dahlia tubers with confidence. I can talk about this. Like I know what I'm talking about because I do thanks to her. I actually came across her first in my Instagram comments. And then she sent me some Dahlia tubers, which are growing in my garden as we speak. And I am a member of her community. I am learning from her. I am like proof that what she teaches works. And so here's what makes this conversation just feel so special is Jennifer is also a student of Amy Porterfield's, just like I am.

4:13She took digital course Academy and she's back at the table looking to refine her offer, grow her community, share what's working and get clarity on how to market something that is niche, that is rather time sensitive and doesn't always fit the traditional signature course mold. So if you are someone who you've ever worried like, is my topic too specific or too seasonal in order to succeed? This coaching session is for you. And listen, if Jennifer's story today has you thinking, wait, I have something I could do this too, then I want to personally invite you to check out the Digital Course Academy.

4:50It is the very program that helped me launch my first online course, that helped me change my entire business, my entire life, that literally helped me free up time so that I could do things like plant Dahlia tubers in my free time. And enrollment is open right now, but only for a few more days. So definitely do not delay. Head to jennacutcher.com forward slash DCA to save your seat and to get my exclusive bonus suite designed to help you actually implement what Amy teaches. That's jennacutcher.com forward slash DCA. And of course it's linked in the show notes for you too. Let's dive on in and coach Jennifer and help her continue to get her course out into the world and hopefully spark some inspiration for your own.

5:34Jennifer, welcome to the gold digger podcast. All right, Jennifer, welcome to the Gold Digger podcast. I am so excited to take this conversation outside of our DM thread and our text thread and bring it to the earbuds of our listeners. So before we dive in, I know a lot about you, but kind of give us the 30 ,000 foot view of who you are and what you do so that our listener knows where you're at in your journey. Thank you, Jenna. It's such an honor to be here today. This is kind of that pinch me moment where It feels so special. So I am Jennifer Galizia. I am a cut flower farmer in Hood River, Oregon in the Columbia River Gorge.

6:16We specialize in growing dahlias and I'm in my fourth year of hybridizing dahlias. And one of the things that I love so much is how flowers really force us to slow down and connect with others and be present in the moment. So it is my, I'd say it's my mission and purpose in life to just spread the beauty of local flowers. And one of the ways that I'm trying to do that is through my podcast, the Backyard Bouquet podcast, and then through the Dahlia patch, my online community and my mini course, which you're going to help me with today. Yes. Okay. So Jennifer and I, we connected a while ago, but Jennifer has always been, there are just like a handful of people that I see in my comment section on every post and I know them and I remember them.

7:05And like, you were just such a cheerleader, like it just a natural cheerleader. And we've actually connected outside of Instagram because we're both in the process of building greenhouses. I will say Jennifer sent me a message and it was like the weirdest serendipitous thing where she's like, have you ever considered a greenhouse? And I literally had a Pinterest board of greenhouses. And so we are working with the same company, talk a little bit about that. And then we can dive into the content. But I'm like, so excited. We're designing our dream greenhouse. I can't wait to garden year round. Whoever would have thought I would say these words.

7:42It makes me so happy because I mean, gardening is so good for the soul. We always talk about how food is important for our lives. But we live in such a fast paced society that we often forget to slow down and flowers do that. They ground you, they connect you to a place and they create memories. And I mean, they need us at all of life's moments and we could have a whole nother conversation about that. But when I got started growing flowers, I was thinking to myself, and I was a photographer too, at the time, actually, and I was growing my flowers initially. So I could have these really pretty pictures to take with my clients.

8:20I was like, I need a greenhouse, of course. And so I think I went on Pinterest and I started looking for the prettiest greenhouses that I could find. And then I came across Northwest Green Panels, who at the time was located close to me in Oregon. And so I reached out to them and I said, I have this new property. I'm starting this garden. I need a greenhouse. And we had a white modern farmhouse at the time. And I said, I need my greenhouse to match our house. And so Northwest Green Panels worked with me to build an eight by 12 greenhouse that got my start. And little did I know this was right before COVID.

8:56I had no idea that the world was about to shut down. And that little greenhouse launched my cut flower career. So yeah, it's crazy. I am so excited. We're working with them to build a greenhouse chicken coop combo. And I'm like, so wicked excited about it. And you know, the other night, I like went into the garden and harvested kale and tomatoes and basil and all these things. And I put together this like delicious salad and I went in and cut up my sourdough and I was like, what life am I living right now? But oh, it is, it is so good. Okay. So let's dive in to your topic. And one of the things that I'm so excited to explore with you is like, I feel so in your world right now as a member of your community and as somebody who took your course.

9:44So I hope I can give some really good advice. So let's dive off with like your first question and we'll kind of work through it together. Perfect. So we live in a world right now where there is so much free content out there and everyone is interested in gardening right now. And everyone is a gardening expert. And so right now I'm finding that there's so much free information out there. How do I position my mini course on digging and dividing and storing dahlias as a paid offer when there's so much free content out there? Okay, so I love this question. And I also feel like it's super pertinent in the age of AI as well, right?

10:23And I often look at information in two camps. So there's like interesting information, and then there's useful information. And as I've gotten way more invested in data and understanding, I've learned this from our data team of like, why do you need to know something? Is it just because it's interesting or is it because it's actually useful? And so the goal here in an information age is to focus on transformation, not on information. Free content is usually scattered. It's usually incomplete, right? But your course or your guide or whatever you are creating, in this case, it's your mini course, is this curated proven path with a clear outcome.

11:07And so what I love about this is a lot of times people, we are so generous with ourselves saying like, I will learn this myself. I will DIY something. And then two months from now, we realize we are no further in the journey or the process because information is everywhere. We have no skin in the game and we have no clear path forward. And so what I absolutely love about mini courses is that it is solving just one problem, right? You are not teaching somebody everything they need to know about everything when it comes to growing flowers. You are literally teaching them one part of the process.

11:47You are solving a very big problem with clarity. So you want to focus on the transformation. And what I would say is in your marketing, you want to literally call attention to the fact that like information is everywhere. In fact, you might've consumed it and you are nowhere closer to understanding how to do this process, right? Or you might be seeing conflicting information, which only leaves you confused and paralyzed and in a state of inaction, right? And I think a lot of times in marketing, we're so scared to like say the thing out loud, right? Because it almost feels like, wait a minute, like, am I calling attention to this thing?

12:26But I actually feel like in this era that we are in, trust is the currency. and if people know like, hey, I am calling this thing out and this is probably the reality for you as it was for me. Here is from start to finish. Let me save you time, energy, mistakes, and money. And let me teach you the full thing. So one of the things that I learned from Amy Porterfield, who we both have studied under, is this idea that she learned from Dan Sullivan, which is the gap and the gain. And so the gap and the gain is really in your marketing and how you talk about your offer. Show people, okay, I understand what the gap you are in in terms of where you are now versus where you want to go.

13:10And then show how your course bridges that gap, right? So paint that picture of like, okay, you might be curious about how to do this and you might be getting started and you might become obsessed like I was, but there's still a lot of confusion on how this actually works and what you do. Let me show you exactly what to do step by step by step so you don't make mistakes, so you don't ruin your harvest and so that you maximize your results. And so I think that that is the way that you approach it. A few other ideas include having like exclusive frameworks or templates or checklists or guides because a lot of times the information isn't paired with anything that puts people into action.

13:52It is literally purely just information. And so any sort of thing that you can do that gives them the steps to follow and that leads them to action is going to be where you actually get people with results. But here's the crazy thing is when people pay, they pay attention, right? And so people that are putting free, like I have so much free content out there, right? Like we have 900 plus episodes of this podcast, thousands of blog posts. I love free content, but the people that actually get the biggest results are the people who had skin in the game and an investment. And so you can even say like, if you are willing to put down money to actually take action on this, this is for you.

14:37And so I think a lot of it just comes down to positioning and just making sure that it is very clear and not clever. You don't need it to be like the most interesting thing. You just need it to be the most promising thing. And so that's where I feel like when we look at online courses and where they're headed in this information age, it is how are we actually helping people get into a state of taking information and putting it into action. And I think that is where things like courses and mini courses and memberships are absolutely going to shine because people have too much information that they're doing nothing with.

15:13Does that make sense? It does. I love how you worded that. Thank you. Yes. Okay. What's the next question? Okay. So the next one you were talking about freebies. Yes. Growing dahlias is so seasonal, especially for someone like you. I was looking at your growing zone this night and you're actually your zone, I think four or five. Yes. Four. I think yes. Zone four. Okay. And I'm zone seven, but our frost dates are very close to the same time. So we have a very similar growing window and neither one of us can afford to leave our dahlias in the ground. So, but with that, it's not like you can plant your dahlias in December in Duluth or even in Hood River.

15:54We have to wait for certain times. So I have a seasonal offer. How do I offer a freebie or launch runway with a seasonal offer? Okay. Or is it better to just keep it evergreen? Well, I know. So I, you can keep it evergreen, meaning it's always available, but I think that we want to be super strategic with the promotions and the windows and the pre-launch. And what's so cool, Jennifer, is like, you already have the offer, right? So now is where you get to have fun with how do I get people to it? It's kind of like so many entrepreneurs have experienced it, whether it's a website or content that whole, like, if you build it, they will come is not true in the land of digital marketing.

16:37And so now you get to have fun with, well, how do I bring people there? And I know we are both so seasonal because you and I are like texting pictures of the gardens and all the different things. And so what I would think that I would plan for is almost doing like these launches or mini launches during peak times for maximum conversions. So you have actual urgency baked in where it's not fake urgency, right? Like even when you were sending me my tubers and you were like, okay, you've got to kind of get these in the ground soon. Like if we're going to maximize this, we've got to figure this out.

17:12And so you actually have real urgency, which a lot of people are lacking in the digital space. And what I think is kind of beautiful about it too, knowing you on a more personal level is that you can have this kind of launch window and then you get to go back into the gardening for yourself that you love, right? So it's not like you're launching all summer long when you're also in the thick of growing your own garden and figuring this all out. And so for seasonal topics, I would consider figuring out a runway where you are first entering into people's planning stages, right? So how do you hit people in the stage where they are starting to plan their garden or they're thinking about what do I want in my garden this year?

17:52What is the layout of the garden, et cetera. And you want to meet them in that planning stage with the type of content that they would need at that stage of the game. So that would make an epic email freebie, like some sort of opt-in where you're launching it as people are starting to think about like, well, what is this going to look like as we get closer to the season? And then I would definitely make sure that you have in that urgency around, okay, this is the timing that you need to nail based on your zone. So you could even do like a fun, almost like a quiz or like help them qualify. What zone are you in?

18:27And here's the ideal planting window. And then here's how to do it successfully. Right? So there's so many different ways that you could hit on that. But what I think would be smart is having it available all the time. Anyone can join at any time, but then baking into your content and your calendar, figuring out, okay, what are these launch windows that make sense based on the seasonality? And how do I go a little bit harder and more thoughtfully in leading up to that runway? When I say this, like what kind of things come to mind in terms of content creation and or timing for you based on your product?

19:01What comes to my mind? Well, I love your idea of the quiz because not everyone has to dig their dahlias. Yes. but there's lots of people that do. So anyone in zones seven and below have to dig their, well, there's a few exceptions where you can leave them in the ground in zone seven, which I do cover. But if you're zone seven and below, if you want your dahlias to come back the following year, you need to dig them. And then there's those that are above that zone. So in zones eight, so for example, people like in Portland, Oregon, or lots of the country is in a warmer climate where they don't really get below freezing in the winter time.

19:38If they leave their tube, I know it gets so cold here. I was looking at your cold temperatures. I was like, I can't complain, but if they leave them in the ground, they don't get the benefit of dividing them. And when you divide your dahlias, you can multiply your stock and have even more flowers, whether you want to plant more in your garden or you want to share those tubers with other people. So there's benefits for everyone to take their dahlias. And then once you dig them, it's like, what do you do? How do you store them? Because they're finicky and you have to, you can't just leave them all of this.

20:10Yes. Cause if you just leave them in your greenhouse, they will turn to mush this winter, unless your greenhouse is heated, there's certain temperatures and certain humidity that they need to stand. So I think the quiz is a really great idea. Really cool too, where it's like, do you know what zone you're in? If you don't, here's how to figure that out. Okay. Then like, do you have a plan for what this happens? Like in it, you don't even have to be the information know all, but you can help guide them to know the right questions to be asking to know the next steps they need to be taking. And then your offer is the natural next extension based on their responses of like, okay, if this is a process that you need to follow, I have literally mapped this out for you steps A through Z, right?

20:54Like don't even go any further. I've literally mapped this out for you. So I love that. But definitely when it comes to seasonality, I think really maximizing that through your channels and just thinking about the different phases of the journey when it comes to, you know, planning and then planting and then harvesting and then all of the dividing and all the different things, mapping that out into your content strategy not only gives you frameworks, which I think can be so helpful in terms of like, well, what am I going to say today? Or what do I have to post today? But it'll also just help people in that process, which is great.

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25:18So I know it's a little bit along the same lines of what we just talked about. Yeah. So I would definitely consider using different like limited time bonuses. So one of the things that we do is a lot of our programs are technically open year round, but during the launch windows, you get specific bonuses that do disappear. Like you can only get certain bonuses during the live launch. And so there is true urgency and it is a very honest representation of the offer. And so what I would consider is like, what are some time limited bonuses where it's like, if you join by this time next week, you get X, Y, or Z up for something that's really valuable at that time.

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25:59And then also just leveraging the like knowledge of like, you need to get these in the ground now, because that made me urgent. Like where I was like, okay, they're coming in a box and I'm going to plant them. And I've got this because I know that there is a true window of time for me specifically. Another idea is you can offer enrollment, but have different bonuses tied to different times of the year. So let's say if you just broke up the year into the four seasons, spring, summer, fall, winter, and you had a specific bonus that would be helpful for people if they purchase in winter. If you have a specific bonus, that'd be helpful.

26:34And that is a really easy way to serve the people no matter where they're at, no matter when they join, but also to show like there are things you could be doing year round for this, right? Based on what you're doing or what you're learning. So there are things you could be learning or doing as you learn about this process. So I would really just consider what are some true bonuses that you can take away? And then again, how do you create urgency? And one thing that would be really fascinating would be if you did Facebook ads and you could sort by geographic region. So you could literally be like in the Midwest, these are the planting guidelines.

27:14Here's the deadline for planting. And you could just break up the country into different areas and have the deadlines on there. I mean, it would take a little bit of groundwork. Yes. But the more specificity and the more niche down you are, the more people trust you because it's like, she's not just a general person. Like I have a really dear friend who's an Epic gardener. Well, they live in California. It's totally different. They don't know what it's like to be in Minnesota. Right. And so like, I remember when they came out here and they were like, Oh my gosh, this is wild. And I'm like, yeah, it's a whole different beast.

27:49And so the more specificity you give, the more confidence somebody has that you understand their unique situation or that you can help them through it. So I would just also consider that. And then the last thing I would say too, is one of the biggest things that we are shifting in our business that is so beautiful is how are we using case studies and testimonials throughout our marketing to help show different success stories in different areas or different times of year from your students. So like, yes, you are the creator. You are the hero of that story. But how do you also position your students as the hero of their own journey and like what they've learned?

28:26And so we've gotten super serious about our testimonial process and how we collect them and the way that we can share them so that it's not just like, well, Jenna got this success. So surely it can happen for you, but it's like, no, no, no. Look at this is the process that these people followed and what they got. Does that make sense? I love that. Yes. Cause my community already has some amazing success stories that I need to give you my success. When I, when those dahlias pop girl, I'm coming at you. I love it. So good. You're, you're in the nurturing phase right now and your hard work is going to pay off very soon when this airs, you're going to be swimming in dahlias.

29:03I can't wait. Okay. What's your next question? Okay. So my next question, I actually learned to launch a podcast from you. And so I have a cut flower podcast. How do I authentically use my podcast to promote my mini course that for digging, dividing, and storing dahlias along with the Dahlia patch community? Okay. I love this. So first off, congrats on your podcast. I love it. Thank you. And okay. So there's so many different ways. So one of the things that I often think about when it comes to podcasting, and it's so funny because every time I think about it, I can literally flash back to the college classroom I was in when I learned this marketing concept.

29:45So it's like, whoa, this is still standing the test of times, but it is a covert marketing and overt marketing. And I think about this literally on the daily. So when you have overt marketing, it would be more so like a podcast episode where you are consistently talking about pitching and promoting your membership site, right? Like it is very obvious. Here's what you're doing. But my favorite way to leverage things like free resources, like a podcast is more covert marketing. And it's not in the in your face sales pitch way, but it's more in the making sure that people are aware that this is an opportunity for them, helping them to understand who it's for and what it does without it feeling like a sales pitch.

30:29And so examples of this would be when you're in an episode, can you take a story or a question from your community where you can reference, hey, inside of my membership, the Dahlia patch, one of my students asked this question and I thought this was such a great question. I wanted to bring it to the episode today. And here's my response, right? Oh, wow. That was free value. It was super informative. And oh my gosh, maybe I should be a member of the Dahlia patch. Right. And so I love thinking of different ways where you can integrate sharing that this is an offer that exists, that people are taking advantage of.

31:04This is the value that they're getting without it being this overly, you know, hyped up marketing, bro marketing, like, you know, tough sell. And so I would really consider just different ways that you can leverage that community as inspiration for your content, as well as leveraging member, like you are a member of our community, which is why you are on this podcast today. And so how can you bring your students into the fold so that they can naturally, I mean, you just naturally talked about my podcast course without us talking about the podcast course on the podcast. Right. And so if you can see how that totally makes sense, you're adding value to your community members.

31:44You're also adding awareness to your podcast listeners in a really beautiful way. And so I think that is like my favorite way is just like, what are covert ways to reference my product services offers testimonials, students, or questions inside of my content so that I am adding value for someone, even if they're not a part of it, but also giving them awareness that it exists and it could be a natural extension for them based on where they want to go. And then I would also just say to consider different times of the year where you maybe add in a little ad for it. Like if you love today's episode, consider joining the Dahlia Patch.

32:23Here's what you get. Here's what we do in it. Here's why I love it. Here's why it's the next step for you. And so I think a lot of times we are apologetic in selling our own offers, but when we shift it and look at selling as a service, a lot of times people listen to a podcast episode and they're like, this was awesome. But like, what next? What now? Where do I take this? How do I put this into action? And so again, you can connect that information into action inside of your membership or your mini course and position them both throughout your content. And so maybe the challenge for you is, is every time you record a podcast episode, what is one covert way that I can reference one of my offers, students or testimonials inside of this episode, just to build awareness?

33:07How does that feel? I love that. Yeah. That is, it's, it's serving them versus selling. Yes. And I like, personally, it lights me up so much in the sense of like, I get to feature my students and their success or their questions. So they're getting like next level guidance while also serving the broader community. I don't know. It just changes the frequency of selling. Because I think for a lot of women, especially we think of selling and we're like, I don't want to do that. And it's like, no, no, no, this is actually really fun. So I love that. And honestly, like when you have something like a podcast, you know, it is a lot of work.

33:49And so it's like, how do I help connect the dots so that it leads to real results in my business? And I would argue that that is the best way to do it is to leverage your paid communities, help you generate content that serves them at the core of it. And then on the fringe, it serves the general public as well. That's awesome. Thank you. I appreciate that. All right. Next question. Yes. Okay. So my next question is about the promotion of my course and membership. what is the best way to get affiliates excited to promote a smaller offer like a mini course and also keep them engaged over time? Okay.

34:27I love that. So my first question for you, I'm going to toss a question back for you is why do you want or need affiliates? Where does that come from? I think it just helps expand the reach and gives me a new audience, reaches other people. So right now I have other flower farmers, but I also have home DIYers and other gardeners as affiliates because I can't reach that whole audience by myself. Okay. I love that. And I know this about you, but you've been affiliate for things in the past. What made you want to affiliate for something else? Because I had experienced the transformation myself. Yes.

35:08Okay. So the first thing that I would say, and this is actually something we're getting better at in my own business as well is first, anyone who is affiliating for something, and we actually don't do a lot of affiliates in my own stuff, but is get their testimonial first, right? Make sure that they have had that transformation, right? Because like I am the queen of affiliate marketing. I love being people's hype girl. Like it is the thing that lights me up. Let me talk about skincare or vitamins or courses. Like I just, it's, it's like, I can't hold back. I'm like the worst gatekeeper of all time, but I am successful as an affiliate because I've had transformations with products.

35:52It makes it so easy for me to talk about. Like I just naturally want to talk about those things. And so the first thing I would say is make every affiliate hop on a zoom with you or give you their testimonial to ensure that they have experienced a transformation that they can talk about and like shout from the rooftops. Because if they're only affiliating because they see a cash grab or like a money opportunity, they're probably not going to be successful. And they also probably won't honor your work or your message in the way that you've created it to be shared, right? So first start with that and make sure that they've had the transformation, they've experienced it themselves.

36:34The second thing is, is create competition. And this is a little spicy, but what I would do is like, I love affiliate opportunities when there are condensed launches. So you will probably not see a lot of success if you just have an open-ended affiliate program with no special promotions or pushes where you're like, share about it when you want to. but instead if you're like okay I know that March is a huge time where people start planning out their gardens and they're starting to think about this so I'm going to get 10 affiliates in and we are going to do a leaderboard and the winner gets to come to my house and do x y or z or whatever they don't have to come to your house but like you could do like they can come to the farm exactly or they could do like a trip or you could give them five hundred dollars or a free macbook Pro or I don't know, you can set the stage of whatever that is or even headphones.

37:31I mean, whatever that is. But here's the thing. People love a leaderboard and they will push it way harder when they see where they're ranking. And so if you did a concentrated one week long push with a few affiliates, it would be way more successful than having affiliates that are just open ended year round. I promise you that. And so it is amazing. Alex Hermosi right now is launching a new book and I just, he's just fascinating. I know him personally, but I just, he's so fascinating because I feel like he is that like where people zig, he zags. Like it's, I'm always just like, so curious about like, well, what is he doing?

38:07And he is doing a book promotion and he did this huge contest where it was like, if you were in the top 100 affiliates, you get this top 10, top one, blah, blah, blah. And obviously we don't have the mass scale of that, but people go nuts. I watched one of my friends jump into his affiliate competition and was like, we're going to get to top 10. And she was like celebrating with her audience as they got in and got the buy in. I'm like, people love a leaderboard. So I would just say like concentrated efforts, over communication, giving them the assets they need to talk about your programs in the ways that you want them to talk about, making sure they have everything that they need to be a successful affiliate and just being available to guide them if they need help.

38:50The reason why affiliates can sometimes be challenging. And what I would consider is you don't always want to line up your affiliate launches with your own launches, because it almost becomes two launches in one, where you are pouring into the affiliates, and then you are also pouring into your new students. So unless you have the infrastructure and the team to support that, I would say have your affiliates do a separate launch window separate from when you are going more public with your offer now that we know that this urgency and scarcity will be a thing and just kind of create fun within it and in the community.

39:25One thing that's really helpful is if you open up a Slack channel just for affiliates, and that's a really great way to communicate leaderboard information, updates, et cetera, and for affiliates to connect with one another as well. What do you think about all that? I love it. It's great because I was thinking back to affiliates that I've done and they have had those Slack channels. And the other thing you said at the very beginning was how you are able to talk about the products you love. And that's so true because when I've been an affiliate, I only say yes, if I have used the product and I truly believe in it.

40:00Yes. Yes. And you know, what's so funny is like, I only do things that I have personally paid for taken and been transformed by. So whether it is skincare or vitamins or online courses or offers, I will only affiliate things for that I'm willing to pay full price for, that I'm willing to do the work for. And then it's like, oh my gosh, let me talk about what you've done. It's so great. And so you want affiliates that are that way because those are the true transformation stories. When people can see the transformation they've experienced, the natural next question is, well, how did you do that?

40:38And if they haven't gotten those results, that question doesn't even exist. Therefore the audience isn't there. And so I've seen a lot of people too, who have had, you know, hundreds of affiliates go down and say, I just want 10. I want like the 10 that have experienced a transformation that know how to talk about it, that use the right language that I would use to communicate that. And so I think that's like the best way to do it. And I love it. That is great advice. Thank you so much. Yes. Okay. I think we have time for two more questions. Before we wrap up this coaching session with Jennifer's final two questions, let's take a moment to thank the sponsors who support this show.

41:15And hey, if this episode has sparked ideas for your own digital product or helped you feel just a little less alone in this process, send it to a friend who's building something too. We're closing things out with a question about pricing that I know you've been wondering about. We'll be back soon. anyone who knows me knows that i'm all about creating spaces where people actually want to be so when we started hosting on airbnb it honestly felt like the most natural thing in the world and it's turned into one of the best decisions we've ever made over the years we've hosted hundreds of couples in our little spaces we've had so many repeat guests come back and we've created this incredible community not just with our guests but also with the people who help us care for our space.

41:58Whether you've bought properties as an investment or have unused rooms waiting to be shared, hosting on Airbnb is a practical and profitable choice. And just think about it. If you've put a ton of time, effort, and work into your home, someone out there probably would love to experience it while they're traveling. So next time you're planning a trip or want to make some extra income from your spaces, you should definitely host on Airbnb. Your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much at airbnb.com slash host. So my flower farm and brand is the flowering farmhouse. And it has been slowly scaling over the last six years.

42:38And obviously I have the podcast, I have the mini course, I have my membership now, and we're working on a documentary about why flowers matter. How do I know when it's time to introduce multi-tier offers or begin building a team around this. Okay. I love this. So do you have any team members right now? Do you count my daughter and husband and your dog? My three dogs. Yes. You don't have a VA or anything right now? No. Oh my gosh. Okay. So first things first, what I would consider is absolutely inviting in. And here's what I would do. I would do a time audit and like a really honest time audit.

43:21And honestly, this is the best time of year to do a time audit as a lot of us are scooting out of summer and coming back into more structured time and days, especially if we have kids. And so like a time audit is amazing to see the areas of your business where you're spending a lot of time on. And I don't love to just look at time. I also love to look at like, well, do I enjoy that? Or am I putting that off? Or am I avoiding that? What's interesting with AI now is like you can leverage AI to help, let's say in a support inbox, not in the way of eliminating the human in it, but also in a way of helping you elevate your communication or speed up your communication.

44:02I would say that I would be hesitant to introduce multi-tier offers because it adds in a lot of complexity. And it also adds in a lot of assumption in terms of what is the progression that someone might take because it might look different for everybody, right? Like someone might just be a hobby gardener with one garden bed a year and they're good on that, right? Like just because somebody does X doesn't necessarily mean they're going to go to Y next. And so I think that staying simpler and getting known for one thing is better. And also knowing that your dream is not necessarily to build this digital empire, but it is to inspire more people to get out into nature and do what you're doing and find the joy in cultivating that.

44:53I would say that I would focus on really leveraging what you've already got going and going deeper on that and not wider in terms of offers. And so I would say only introduce a new offer when you feel like your main offer, whether it's the mini course or the membership is delivering results and you have the bandwidth to expand it. And one thing that's interesting, and I often think back to like the wedding photography days is like, I had six months out of the year that was kind of an off season, right? So I had bandwidth and time and energy during that time to do coaching, to create courses for photographers, et cetera.

45:33But there was no way I was doing that in the summer months when I was shooting. Right. And so it's like kind of figuring out what is that rhythm? What is that bandwidth? And what does that look like? And then I would say that when you hit a place or a point, when you are doing repetitive tasks over and over and over again, that is when I would consider hiring someone. And honestly, I don't think you need a big team at all. I think even just having one person that can answer questions that can be in your inbox, that can free you out of like the email jail is kind of all you need. And one thing that's really awesome, and I talk about this in my conversation with Amy Porterfield, is a lot of people are looking at chat GPT with fear, or like, you know, like, oh, no, it's going to take over my information.

46:24But you can very easily build out what's called a custom GPT using your IP, your content, your frameworks, your information. and you can give that to a virtual assistant and they can answer students questions using all of your information, your voice and your frameworks so that you are not the one having to personally support an answer for your community. And so there are ways where you can either speed that up for yourself or hand it over to a virtual assistant where they can literally give your responses to your students without you having to physically type out, okay, here's step one, here's step two, here's step three.

47:06And so I always look at like repetitive tasks. And my team is like so good at this of like, can there be a template? Can there be an automation? And or is there a way to leverage AI from an ethical conscious and brand standpoint in this to speed this up or to make this easier? And so I don't actually picture you, Jennifer, and maybe I'm wrong. I could be totally wrong. I don't picture you having this massive team. Like I picture you in your garden with your family and having this be the engine running behind the scenes that isn't taking over your life, but that is affording you and giving you the balance to have the life.

47:45Am I wrong in that? I don't know. You're a hundred percent right. I want this to be what inspires other people to want to go out and do the same thing and believe that they can grow beauty in their life too. Yes. And that's where I'm like, I feel like we're in a beautiful, almost renaissance in a lot of ways of women really asking, what is success for me? What do I want this to look like? And what do I actually need? Like what is enough and not chasing more for the sake of more without having it tied to like something actually tangible. And so I actually think you could run this incredibly lean and even having like a virtual assistant that was a member of your community that just wants to pick up a few hours or things like that, where it could just be on like a, you know, three hours a week basis, things like that.

48:37Like when I hired my first virtual assistant, her name was Caitlin. And all she did was go in my inbox and give people responses because I would like, I am notorious for reading and then marking an email unread. Actually, you experienced this when you were trying to send me the tubers and I was like, yes, I want this. Oh my gosh. And then like, I totally forgot about it. And then I had to circle back. And so it's like any response is better than no response. And when you start to like loosen the grip on some of those control things, you start to see more opportunities where you can either call in support or get support from somebody else.

49:08And sometimes too, just getting people in your own community where you're like, Hey, would you like to make a hundred dollars a week? Just helping support could be amazing. So I wouldn't, you know, imagine this huge team. I don't think that's necessary for what you're doing. And I also don't think it's aligned for what your version of success is. I agree. Thank you. So I think a VA is a great next step for me. I love it. Okay. Final question. Perfect. Okay. So my mini course just covers the end of the season on digging, dividing, and storing dahlias so people can grow them again the next season.

49:42how do I strategically guide my students from my mini course into my membership, the Dahlia patch, which covers everything on growing dahlias without it feeling just like a hard sale at the end of the mini course. I'm literally your like dream audience, but I'm already a member of the Dahlia patch. So, okay. So I love this. So Amy Porterfield does this in her membership where the only way to join momentum is through taking her program, Digital Course Academy because it kind of like lays the foundation, right? And it's like, if you know all of this, then you're a right fit for this. A few like very minor strategic things.

50:20So inside of your mini course, you can have based on what platform you're using, what platform are you on? I am on Kajabi. Okay. So, so are we, so we use Kajabi. So inside of Kajabi, you can actually build out a sidebar on your course and you can upload a beautiful graphic that says like, do you want ongoing support? Join the Dahlia patch. So you can actually build offers inside of offers inside of Kajabi. You can also have triggers inside of your courses. So inside of your mini course, you can have a trigger that says, if somebody gets to this module, start this email sequence or present them this offer.

51:01And I love this because a lot of times we were kind of assuming like, well, by week two, somebody should be at module two. And it's like, That's not how life works, right? Like some people Netflix binge it and they're done in an hour. And then other people are like three months from now finally logging in, right? That's just life. And so what I love about Kajabi is that you can build in different triggers so that if somebody makes it through, you know, module three of your mini course or lesson three, then you can trigger, Hey, it looks like you're making awesome progress. If you want ongoing support, or if you're curious about these next steps, we cover this all inside of the Dahlia patch.

51:39So it works specific to each student, which I think is just like amazing. And if somebody is listening to this, I want to backtrack for one second. Kajabi is just the platform where we host our online courses. I think I've used them for a decade. I love Kajabi, but there's many other platforms. There's Teachable. You can build it in WordPress. There's a lot of different offers that you can do to build this out. But I love Kajabi. And I feel like they are very innovative in that. And then the final thing too, is inside of your mini course, you could record a final lesson. That's like, congratulations, you did this.

52:14This is amazing. Here's what we just covered inside of the mini course. If you want more, here's what we cover inside of the Dahlia patch. And maybe you could even gift them like one month for free. Like join us inside of the Dahlia patch. Your first month is on me. I know you're going to love it. I know you're going to want to stick around. Here's how to claim access. And you can either have that just be open the whole time, or you could unlock it once they hit a certain level inside of that mini course so that that is the natural extension. And then with a membership too, one thing that I have been learning a lot about, and again, I don't have a membership, but I have so many friends who have incredible memberships is that you, if you want to keep getting new members in to your membership each month, you want to have some sort of exciting update or exclusive content or aspiring content to give you something to promote about the membership each month.

53:07So my friend, Bonnie Christine, she teaches surface pattern designers and she has an awesome membership. And she does this thing where each month they get the opportunity to pitch their designs to different brands like anthropology. And it's like, this is how you will get your work in front of the people you want to be in. And then next month, it's a different company, et cetera. And so you want to have some sort of angle that allows you to talk about your membership with freshness to get new people into it. But I think there's a lot of synergy in taking people from the mini course into the membership because they're going to want that continued support or that next level support or access to you to ask their personal questions.

53:46That is so helpful. Thank you. I love the idea of having that messaging in the mini course. I had no idea that you could do that through Chappie. And honestly, the one, like we have three words in our business that we try to think about, whether it's a podcast episode, a blog post, a course, and it's no dead ends. Meaning I never want somebody to finish something and be like, okay, now where, now what? And so it's like, it's just an invitation, right? That's all it is. It's not a pitch. It's not you hard selling. It is literally an invitation. And how fun is it that we get to give people those invitations to their next step?

54:24So I would just look for ways that you can inject it in. You could put it into the workbook of your mini course and say like, hey, like even we've done this in terms of freebies where we have a freebie and we're like, hey, if seeing is believing and you are a visual learner, you might want to learn this inside of our master class. Right. And it's like, just how do you cue it up so that you are truly adding more value? And so like at the end of the workbook, you could have like join the Dahlia patch for one month free. Here's a QR code to claim that offer. Anyone who's in the mini course gets that.

54:58And so just think of places where there might be a dead end currently. And how do you just extend the invitation, whether it's the sidebar, inside the course, inside a lesson, inside a module, inside the workbook, etc. And for mini courses, when people are paying a low ticket amount, it doesn't feel like you're trying to upsell them. it is truly a natural extension because oftentimes the mini course only solves one part of the problem and they need the next steps, right? They have more problems than the one you just solved. And so it just makes sense. That was so helpful. Thank you. Oh my gosh.

55:34Okay. So one final thing. I know that you took Amy Porterfield's Digital Course Academy as have I, and that we were kind of in that same orbit together. If somebody is considering creating an online course or kind of extracting their knowledge or their passion or their expertise and wanting to put it out into the world to impact others, what would you say to them? Say a course is absolutely the best way to get your message out there. You're not selling, you're serving your audience. And I think Amy helped me understand that so much that if you position it the correct way, you're literally providing this value that they can't find elsewhere.

56:15And it's your own unique perspective. I think one thing Amy said was that you don't have to be the most knowledgeable person. You just have to teach it your way and show up as you are, because you are offering something special that no one else can do. And getting to learn from her course really helped me launch my course. I don't think I could have launched it without it. Oh, and I'm so grateful because I've taken your course and I was like, prone to be like, Jennifer, what do I do? How do I, is this right? And I was like, no, I can literally log in and look at all of this online because you've created it.

56:49So it also saves you so much time answering the same questions over and over and over again. And just giving people, you know, I'm out in my garden at seven o 'clock at night. Like this is not the time to be asking questions. And so I just love it. I adore you. I love getting to know you. You have inspired me so much. I have your tubers in my garden. I'm going to have a greenhouse. Thanks to you and our connection of like inspiring me, like go for it. Just go for it. So thank you for being a part of my life and my community. Where can everybody find you and connect with you and watch you and learn more from you?

57:25Yes. So I am at thefloweringfarmhouse.com and on all social media, the Flowering Farmhouse, or if they want to get more cut flower gardening advice, they can listen to the Backyard Bouquet podcast. Amazing. Thank you so much for doing this and being a part of it. It was such a joy to have you on the podcast. Oh, I love this. Thank you, Jenna. Oh, I just, I love Jennifer. It's so fun. She feels like a true friend. We didn't bring this up in the episode, but I am the godmother of her puppy because I named it. She sent me pictures of her dog that she was going and get. And I said, that looks like a Winnie.

58:00And they named the dog Winnie and she is so cute. She is just such an amazing member of my community. And I just want you to know, like I see you, I learn from you. I am inspired from you. When you reach out, it is really me on the other side of the screen. And I'm just so grateful to be able to pour into people like Jennifer and people like you. It is such a gift. So just thank you for being a part of this community. If you are inspired and you want to create your own digital course, whether it's a mini course or you want to do more of a membership, let me tell you that there is nothing better than to learn from the best.

58:37And in my opinion, the best is Amy Porterfield. It's who I learned basically everything course related from. Her Digital Course Academy is open for enrollment and you can head to jennacutcher.com forward slash DCA. And we also have an epic bonus suite waiting for you free when you join the Digital Course Academy. That's jennacutcher.com forward slash DCA. I can't wait to hear your success story. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of the Gold Digger podcast. Of course, if you know someone who could benefit from this coaching episode, please send it to them. And if you would like to be coached on air on the podcast, head to our Facebook insiders group, which we've linked in the show notes and show description for you.

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Think your business is “too niche” to succeed online? In this coaching session, I’m chatting with Jennifer about how to sell a highly specific online course to a small-but-mighty audience… and how to attract the right people to grow a business that feels deeply aligned!

Jennifer Gulizia is a flower farmer and garden educator who turned her passion for dahlias into a beautiful educational business. She’s also a Digital Course Academy student, and she’s looking to refine her offer, grow her community, and get clarity on how to market something that’s niche, time-sensitive, and doesn’t quite fit the traditional “signature course” mold.

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