A school cellphone ban study, white collar jobs wither, and spooky candy prices

31 Oct 2025 · 9 min

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Podcast Episode Summary: The Indicator from Planet Money - "A school cellphone ban study, white collar jobs wither, and spooky candy prices"

Episode Overview This episode of *The Indicator from Planet Money* dives into intriguing economic indicators relevant to current trends, specifically focusing on:

  • The effects of cellphone bans in schools on student performance.
  • The impact of artificial intelligence on white-collar jobs, particularly layoffs.
  • The rising prices of Halloween candy and the underlying economic factors.

Key Topics Discussed

  1. Cellphone Bans in Schools
  2. Indicator: 1.1% improvement in student grades due to cellphone bans.
  3. Data Source: A study analyzing Florida's statewide cellphone ban implemented in 2023.
  4. Research Methodology:
  5. Utilized cell phone tracking data to compare schools with significant reductions in cellphone use to control groups with little change.
  6. Found a correlation between reduced cellphone use during school hours and improved test scores, suggesting that less distraction leads to better academic performance.
  7. Caveats:
  8. Schools with significant reductions in cellphone use also saw an increase in suspensions, possibly due to student behavior related to the ban.
  9. Over time, while suspensions normalized, schools continued to experience improved attendance and grades.
  1. Layoffs Among White-Collar Workers
  2. Indicator: 14,000 jobs cut by Amazon attributed to AI advancements.
  3. Context: Amazon's layoffs represent about 4% of its workforce, with AI being a significant factor in this decision.
  4. Broader Trend:
  5. Other companies, including Salesforce, Accenture, and Goldman Sachs, are also announcing layoffs while expressing optimism about AI's potential.
  6. The St. Louis Fed suggests that we may be witnessing early stages of AI-driven job displacement, predominantly affecting knowledge workers.
  7. Future Implications:
  8. Uncertainty remains about the long-term effects of AI on employment—whether AI will ultimately create new jobs or if companies may later realize the need for human workers.
  1. Halloween Candy Prices
  2. Indicator: 10.8% average increase in Halloween candy prices from the previous year.
  3. Analysis:
  4. Significant hikes observed in various candy staples, with specific brands seeing price increases (e.g., Tootsie Roll pops up 34%, Mars products up 12%).
  5. The Century Foundation attributes rising prices to tariffs on cocoa, affecting costs across the candy industry.
  6. Shrinkflation:
  7. Discussion of smaller packages for the same price, highlighting the concept of "shrinkflation," where consumers pay more for less product.

Additional Insights

  • The episode's hosts used humor and Halloween theme to present economic indicators engagingly.
  • The conversation reflects ongoing trends in the economy regarding technology's influence on the labor market and consumer behavior, especially in relation to seasonal events like Halloween.

Conclusion This episode of *The Indicator* provides valuable insights into pressing economic issues, from the educational impact of cellphone policies to the ramifications of AI in the workforce, and the effects of inflation on everyday consumer goods. The discussions highlight the intersection of technology and economics, shedding light on how these factors shape societal trends.

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Note The hosts, Adrian Ma, Waylon Wong, and Darian Woods, encourage listeners to stay informed and engaged with economic indicators that impact their daily lives, particularly in the context of changing technologies and market dynamics.

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0:12This is the indicator for Planet Money. Happy Halloween, by the way. I'm your spooky host, Adrian Ma, here with the witchy Waylon Wong. That's the witch music from Wizard of Oz. And your little dog, too. And we are joined by the dreadful Darian Woods. Happy Halloween to you, too. We're here not to scare or to freak you out. Let's leave that to your, you know. Everyday lives. We're here to bring you some indicators. Indicators of the week. Yes, it is that show where we take interesting economic headlines from the week and we bring them to you. It's the same indicators, but this time covered in spiders.

1:00I actually am looking at a big spider right now in my studio. I'm hoping it doesn't come any closer. On today's show, we have got... The evidence comes in on cell phone bans in schools. White collar workers getting the axe. And the spookiest indicator of all, higher Halloween chocolate prices this year. Terrifying. This message comes from Dell Technologies. Your new Dell PC with Intel Core Ultra helps you handle a lot when your holiday to-dos get to be a lot. Luckily, the Dell PC helps you get it all done. Get yours at dell.com slash holiday. This message comes from NPR sponsor, Capella University.

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2:23Details at CapitalOne.com. Indicators of the week. Adrian and Ma, you start us off. My indicator is about Amazon. And obligatory disclaimer here, Amazon is a financial supporter of NPR and pays to distribute some NPR content. So the number is 14 ,000, which is the number of corporate jobs Amazon says it'll soon be cutting. And one of the explicit reasons for trimming about 4 % of its workforce is AI. So is the AI apocalypse here? Well, that's not quite the way that Amazon puts it. No, they didn't say apocalypse in their statement? So in a statement to Amazon employees, a senior vice president named Beth Galetti said, quote, quote, the world is changing quickly.

3:08This generation of AI is the most transformative technology we've seen since the Internet, and it's enabling companies to innovate much faster than ever before. Dot, dot, dot. We're convinced that we need to be organized more leanly with fewer layers and more ownership, unquote. If I were a laid off worker or I was worried about losing my job, this would not do anything for me, I have to say. You mean being told that you're one of too many layers doesn't really give you the company spirit? Yeah, or like being like, oh, AI's allowing us to innovate so much faster. It's like, great. So I'm not going to have a job right before Thanksgiving.

3:45You know what I mean? Right. Well, you know, what Amazon is saying here, it actually reflects a wider pattern of what we're seeing from a lot of America's biggest companies. In recent weeks and months, we have seen companies like Salesforce, Accenture, and Goldman Sachs all announce thousands in layoffs and at the same time talking pretty optimistically about AI's potential to basically make up the difference. And a few weeks ago, the CEO of Walmart said it plans to freeze hiring for the next few years while it gets AI more integrated into its workforce. Okay, so these are generating headlines, but what do the numbers say?

4:22Like, are these really making a difference in the wider workforce? There is a kind of interesting data point I saw from the St. Louis Fed. Some economists there did some research which suggests we might be in the early stages of AI-driven job displacement, which is especially hitting knowledge workers. At the same time, they say, you know, it's still early days and the picture still could change. Like, who knows, maybe in the long run, AI could actually create jobs. Or maybe companies will realize that they over-invested in AI and then they actually need the humans back. That's my indicator of the week.

4:59Who wants to go next? All right, so I'll go next. My indicator is 1.1 percentile. That's the boost to grades that schools can get from banning cell phones. In other words, when school kids take the big spring test at the end of the school year, they can boost their placement nationally from, say, the 50th percentile to being a little over the 51st percentile on average. So taking these pocket-sized distraction machines away from kids during the day helps them do better in school? I am shocked. Shocked, I say. So it's not the largest effect overall, but it's from a working paper where the authors say the real effect might be higher.

5:39But this is the amount that they calculate hand on heart is due to cell phone bans. The authors did a really diligent job looking at Florida's ban on cell phones in schools in 2023. Florida had the country's first statewide ban on cell phones in school. Wait, when you say they did a diligent job, what do you mean by that? Yeah, so in science, you want a control group. You'd ideally randomly ban cell phones from some schools but not others and see what the effect was. Now, that didn't happen, so the researchers had to be creative about what the control group was. They got data from a private company that tracks cell phones, pinging cell phone towers, and they compared schools where the ban had a large effect on cell phone usage to schools with a low effect on cell phone usage because the students there weren't using phones much to begin with.

6:32These schools, without much changes in cell phone use, this was kind of the control group, And then the authors basically looked at the grades of how the schools that were reducing cell phone usage a lot compared to how they did previously. And then they found kind of this moderately happy ending, right? Slightly better grades. And that means that maybe these kids will be more productive in the future, less addicted to their phones. Yes, a happy ending. But I've left out an important point. Uh-oh. Schools that saw dramatic reductions in cell phone use also had big rises in suspensions the year after the ban.

7:07Oh, because they were punishing kids for trying to sneak their phones out? That is the implication. Yeah, the schools with higher cell phone reductions also saw higher suspensions. Though that seemed to settle back to normal after the first year, leaving only good trends, better attendance and higher grades. I thought the suspensions were because of kids going through like cell phone withdrawal and just being super irritable. That could be part of it too. Acting out. Well, speaking of children of the neighborhood getting up to no good, what's your indicator? My indicator is 10.8%. That is the average increase in the price of Halloween candy from last year to this year.

7:52That's a spookflation. That's a pretty good hike. Yes, it's way over the baseline inflation rate. And this number crunching comes courtesy of the Groundwork Collaborative and the Century Foundation, which are left-leaning think tanks. They analyze the prices of candy staples. So that's stuff like Tootsie Roll pops are up 34 percent from last year. Candy made by Mars. So that's M &M, Skittles, some other brands. That's up 12 percent. And the Century Foundation blames these higher prices on tariffs. It says that most products made with cocoa got hit with tariffs between 15 and 39 percent. And that's because the majority of cocoa beans come from West Africa and a lot of the processing is in Europe.

8:36You know how there's like usually a house in the neighborhood that gives out toothbrushes and pennies? Like maybe there will be more of those this year. Not at my house, though. I'm holding the line. I'll show you what I got this year. Look at this. Look at this. Look, it's bigger than my head. Yeah, I got three of these at Costco. It's a 5.6 pound variety pack and it's got Snickers, Butterfingers, Kit Kats. It's like a pretty good assortment. And yeah, we got a ton of trick or treaters every year. So I got a little neurotic about having enough. Did you end up spending more? Okay, so I paid$23.99 for this bag, and I don't remember how much the Costco pack cost last year, but I found a YouTube video of someone who's kept tabs on this variety pack.

9:24I love YouTube. And they said that this year there were 165 pieces of candy in here compared with 169 last year. So even if the price stayed the same, this bag has less candy in it. And so that is shrinkflation. Shrinkflation strikes again. Okay, but did you fact check this YouTube video? You know what? I will open this bag and count the candy right now. Live if you want.

9:54So I hope everybody has a happy and safe Halloween. And before we go, just to let listeners know, I'm going to be taking some time off from the show. So you might not hear me very much for the next few months, But stepping in to help out here will be friend of the show, Stephen Basaha of the Gulf States Newsroom. So look forward to hearing Stephen on the show. I'll see you before too long. This episode was produced by Angel Carreras with engineering by Cole Takasugi Chernavin. It was fact-checked by Corey Bridges and Julia Ritchie. Kagan Cannon edits the show and the Indicator is a production of NPR.

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