Can American cities grow AND stay affordable?

15 Dec 2025 · 9 min

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Episode Title

Can American Cities Grow AND Stay Affordable?

Episode Summary This episode explores the economic paradox faced by American cities like Austin and Atlanta, where growth can lead to rising living costs. It highlights Huntsville, Alabama, as a city that is proactively addressing this issue by planning for sustainable growth while maintaining affordability.

Key Concepts and Discussions

  1. Huntsville’s Growth
  2. Huntsville is experiencing rapid growth, with approximately 18 new residents moving in daily.
  3. The city has become an attractive location due to its historical significance in space exploration, job opportunities in the space and defense sectors, and cultural amenities.
  1. Affordability Challenges
  2. Rachel Ramos, a resident, shares her perspective on affordability, noting that her $1,250 monthly rent for a three-bedroom apartment feels like a bargain compared to other areas.
  3. Despite current low costs, there are concerns about rising prices as more people move in.
  1. Economic Paradox
  2. The episode discusses a common economic dilemma: low living costs attract more residents, which can subsequently drive costs up.
  3. The hosts, Waylon Wong and Stephen Massaha, introduce this conundrum and its implications for cities.
  1. Case Studies: Austin and Atlanta
  2. Austin is cited as a prominent example where rapid population growth has led to significant increases in housing prices—home prices have more than tripled over two decades.
  3. Atlanta faces similar issues, demonstrating the loop where growing populations lead to rising costs.
  1. Urban Planning Strategies
  2. Predictive Planning: Dennis Madsen, Huntsville's urban planner, discusses the importance of anticipating housing needs ahead of crises.
  3. Huntsville began preparing for a housing crisis a decade ago, recognizing national trends.
  4. Housing Supply: The city has added 16,000 apartment units since 2020, benefiting from fewer building regulations and ample land for expansion.
  1. Diversification of Housing Options
  2. Madsen emphasizes the need for a variety of housing types—single-family homes, apartments, and townhomes—to meet diverse population needs.
  3. The concept of "missing middle housing" is introduced, which refers to types of housing that are not currently being produced in sufficient quantities (e.g., quads).
  1. Zoning Laws and Housing Diversity
  2. Many cities have zoning laws that favor single-family homes, limiting options for families of different structures.
  3. Urban planners are working to revise these codes to support diverse housing that meets modern needs.
  1. Economic Insights from Experts
  2. Una Fremark from the Urban Institute argues that rising home prices should not always be viewed negatively, as they often reflect the desirability of a location.
  3. The episode concludes with a hopeful outlook for Huntsville, suggesting it may remain affordable even as it grows.

Key Takeaways

  • Balancing Growth and Affordability: Cities must carefully plan for growth while maintaining affordability to prevent the economic paradox of soaring housing costs.
  • Proactive Urban Planning: Early recognition of housing trends and proactive measures can mitigate future affordability crises.
  • Diverse Housing Needs: Urban planners should embrace a variety of housing types to cater to different demographics and ensure equitable access to housing.

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0:11Huntsville, Alabama is growing fast. About 18 people move there every day. And you can see lots of reasons why. It's where the rocket that put the first man on the moon was developed. There are plenty of space and defense sector jobs, a big music venue. And in the center of town, there's an art museum and a pond where Rachel Ramos and her daughter Raina are feeding the ducks. See, it's only 25 cents for a cup of duck food. Yeah, I gotta get more duckies. 25 cents might sound like a great price, But the price that really matters for Rachel is$1 ,250. That's how much she pays each month for a three-bedroom apartment.

0:51Three bedrooms. That is a steal. Yeah, I thought my two-bedroom in Birmingham was cheap. But this is definitely a steal. And Rachel also thinks the city's pretty affordable. Compared to other places that I've lived, like Montana and Florida, I find it less expensive to live here. The cost of homes in Huntsville by square foot is about 25 percent cheaper than it is nationally. But Rachel is worried about those good times and low prices lasting. I am concerned about it because just with any place that I've lived where there was a lot of expansion, prices tend to kind of go up. This is an economic paradox that many cities face.

1:31One of the drivers of high prices is people moving to a city for low prices. This is The Indicator from Planet Money. I'm Waylon Wong. And I'm Stephen Massaha. On today's show, we look at this conundrum, how a low cost of living can boost growth and how growth threatens a low cost of living.

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2:335-gigabyte plan equivalent to$15 a month. Taxes and fees extra. First three months only. See terms. This affordability catch-22 is not an easy problem to solve. It's very hard to win the national housing affordability, you know, rollerball. Yona Fremark is a researcher with the Urban Institute, and there is one city in particular that tends to be like the poster child for this lower to higher cost flip-flop. Austin is a great example of a community that went from relatively isolated, not particularly interesting at a national perspective, into suddenly a booming center of employment and interest in people moving in.

3:20So it has grown at enormous rates over the last decade or so. And with that, there has been a vast increase in housing costs in that city. Austin grew so fast because it was seen as such a great place to live. Not only was it cheaper and had a ton of tech jobs, but also plenty of culture from food to music. Over the last two decades, home prices have just about doubled nationally. In Austin, it's more than tripled. Austin prices have come down a bit recently, but they're still pretty high. And Austin's not the only city that's dealt with this. Atlanta's another example of this growing population, growing costs problem.

3:58So you get stuck in this challenging loop that is difficult to get out of unless you have substantially higher rates of housing production. But building a ton of houses takes time. So part of that challenge is predicting the need for all those houses early. City planners in Huntsville think they got that timing right. That's according to Dennis Madsen. I'm the manager of urban and long-range planning for the city of Huntsville. So you're the man with the crystal ball. I don't know if there's such thing as crystal ball in the planning world. It's a lot of best guesses. And Dennis says about 10 years ago, Huntsville's best guess was to prepare for an upcoming housing crisis.

4:34Not because of anything specific to Huntsville, but because it was happening across the country. Yeah, one estimate puts the current housing shortfall at 2.8 million units. And that number has grown dramatically since 2013 when the housing crisis began. And that was a crystal ball that was fairly clear because you were seeing it happen nationally. The housing crisis is a national crisis. Dennis says recognizing the housing crisis early was a key way to start working on encouraging building. Number one easily is supply, just making sure that we're getting a lot of housing supply on the ground. Since 2020, just within the city of Huntsville, we've put 16 ,000 apartment units on the ground, and that number is even larger when you look at our broader North Alabama.

5:17The South in general has been building new homes way faster than the rest of the country. And a big reason for that is because the South has fewer building regulations slowing down construction. There also tends to be a lot more room to grow. That's definitely true in Huntsville. It's surrounded by lots of open land. We are about 228 square miles, which is Chicago in terms of land area. Let's say I'm city planner of Stephenville and I'm surrounded by all these other cities. I don't have the option to grow to build more houses. What do you say to me when I come to asking you for advice? Yeah, I think if you can't obviously add a lot, I think one of the keys is diversifying.

6:01By diversifying, he means building different kinds of homes. Last year, the city granted permits to build 900 traditional houses, but also 1 ,400 apartments and 200 townhomes. Yeah, and making cheaper apartments to keep costs down does make sense. But Dennis also says even expensive apartments going up actually make the city more affordable. What that means is that people who can afford those are moving into those. If those don't exist, then they start to look downstream and they start looking at apartment complexes that are existing, that maybe those complexes had been providing affordability.

6:36But because there's nowhere else for folks who are willing to pay, you know,$2 ,000 for a unit, they'll start looking at units that are less expensive and they start pushing those folks out of the markets. So sitting here, this doesn't sound too difficult, have a variety of houses and have a lot of them. Why is this so hard and so many cities have struggled with this that have been growing? I think a lot of cities struggle only because in the last half century, a lot of our zoning codes were built to support a certain type of housing. And really, that's where the market was. Dennis says zoning laws were all about encouraging single-family homes for that classic nuclear family.

7:16But compared to, say, the 1950s, there are a lot more different types of families today, like single-parent households, grandparents raising kids, adults with no kids. And they might not want that classic big house with their front yard or even be able to afford it. But our zoning hasn't always said, yeah, you can build what's frequently termed as missing middle housing. A lot of stuff that used to be everywhere around America that you can see in some of your older neighborhoods, you can see these quads. Quads. Okay, as a Midwesterner, I'm not sure I know what this kind of housing is. Yeah, they're a lot more common in the South, at least from what I've seen.

7:53Like, picture what looks like a house, but divided into four separate units. That is a quad. They're bigger and more expensive than a sprawling apartment complex, but cheaper than a single-family home. That's the missing middle Dennis is talking about. Frequently in many cities got zoned out of existence, And there's a tremendous number of planners, both in the public and private sector, who are working to kind of reestablish codes and regulations that allow for that diversity of housing. But cities need more than expensive, fancy apartments, at least according to Una Fremark with the Urban Institute.

8:29That is not enough to support low-income people. The reality is that low-income people in the United States need additional subsidy to be able to afford quality homes in our communities. Yonah also says rising home prices should not always be seen as this terrible outcome. I don't necessarily think we should think of growth and affordability as in contrast to one another. Because growth occurs because people see appeal in living in a certain place. If there are really high costs of living in a certain place, it's probably because a lot of people want to live there. That's the case for places like Manhattan or San Francisco.

9:08People continue to want to move to those communities and see an overall benefit to the quality of life that comes with the costs of those places. Huntsville is definitely still growing. President Trump is moving Space Command from Colorado to Huntsville, and that will bring well more than a thousand jobs. And while there might be no such thing as a crystal ball in city planning, Dennis Madsen is predicting a future where Huntsville defies the odds and remains affordable.

9:41This episode was produced by Julia Ritchie with engineering by Robert Rodriguez. It was fact-checked by Sierra Juarez. Cake and Cannon is the show's editor. The Indicator is a production of NPR.

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From the publisher
Cities like Austin and Atlanta used to top lists of places people moved to looking for relatively affordable places to live. Until, one day, they weren’t that affordable. On today’s show, how a low cost of living is threatened by growth, and how one sunbelt city in Alabama is planning ahead. 

Related episodes: 
Why Americans don’t want to move for jobs anymore 
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