In short
A BBC Question Time episode answering listener money questions: marriage tax allowance and self-assessment, new ISA rules (cash ISA allowance cut and anti-avoidance), state pension eligibility with fewer than 10 National Insurance years, and how to reduce costs on a smart prepayment energy meter. It ends with a “success” email about using time-of-use tariffs and switching bonuses for a wedding.
Guests/backgrounds
No studio guests; host is Martin Lewis with Matt and live fact-checking by Claire (Rosie absent). Callers: Darren (higher-rate taxpayer caring for disabled son), Katie (stocks & shares ISA holder planning “wedding savings”), Phil (family member with no NI contributions), Ben (78-year-old dad on pension credit with smart prepayment meter), plus success email from Flavio.
Key claims/examples
Marriage tax allowance only for non-taxpayers; higher-rate taxpayers can’t claim. New ISA rules from next April: under-65 cash ISA limit drops to £12k; shares-to-cash transfers banned; interest on cash held in stocks ISAs taxed at 22%. State pension needs 10 NI years; otherwise likely Pension Credit gateway. Prepayment is less competitive; possible EDF smart-prepay fix ~5% below price cap; compare tariffs and consider priority services register. Example: Flavio used Octopus Agile, got 91p/kWh on a windy Saturday, and stacked ~£2,800 switching bonuses into a honeymoon pot.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOHost Introduction and Banter
0:33 to 1:00
Martin Lewis and guests introduce themselves and engage in light banter.
“No matter what comes next, you've got free talk and text with the TextNow app.”
Host Introduction and Banter
2:29 to 4:30
Martin Lewis and guests introduce themselves and engage in light banter.
“Hello and welcome to this episode of the Question Time podcast.”
Exploring Marriage Tax Allowance and Self-Assessment
4:33 to 11:12
Discussion on marriage tax allowance and the implications for self-assessment in tax returns.
“What I love is it's prompting because I want her to understand.”
Discussion on Child Benefit and ISA Rules
11:14 to 13:20
Insights into child benefit eligibility and upcoming ISA rules affecting savings.
“And if you're thinking, isn't that a bit unfair?”
Listener Question about ISA and Wedding Savings
13:21 to 14:00
A listener asks for advice on saving for a wedding and investing in ISAs.
“Well, yes, so I was listening to one of your most recent podcasts about the new ISA rules and the changes coming in from April next year.”
Preparing for Wedding Savings
14:00 to 16:48
Learn how to save and invest for future financial goals like a wedding.
“and essentially the next event on our horizon is a wedding.”
New ISA Rules Explained
16:48 to 18:48
Understand the implications of new ISA rules on savings and cash transfers.
“in a shares ISA, in a savings element in a shares ISA, so I could just use my shares ISA as a cash ISA and put all the money in there.”
De-risking Investments Ahead of Changes
18:48 to 21:54
Explore strategies to de-risk investments before new ISA regulations take effect.
“Yeah, you're being fiscally dragged into the higher rate tax threshold.”
Short-dated Gilts as an Investment Option
21:54 to 24:22
Learn about using short-dated gilts to manage investment risks and returns.
“Now, there are, and it's outside of my expertise, there are money market funds and there are other much lower risk funds.”
Marriage and Financial Benefits
24:22 to 26:22
Discover the financial advantages of marriage and civil partnerships.
“So now just let's go, let's change subjects slightly.”
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Listener Questions and Insights
26:22 to 27:30
Hear a listener's question about national insurance contributions and state pension.
“I mean, we're still all working our way through this new structure that the government has come up with for when it comes in place next April.”
Understanding State Pension Rules
27:30 to 28:00
Get clarity on state pension qualifications and national insurance contributions.
“and he says, Dear Matt, Simon, and of course Martin.”
Understanding State Pension Contributions
28:00 to 31:12
Learn about the importance of national insurance contributions for state pensions.
“I'm going to answer under current rules.”
Navigating Prepayment Meters and Energy Tariffs
31:12 to 36:39
Explore options for managing energy costs with prepayment meters and smart tariffs.
“It will be Ben in Berry with a badge at some point in the future.”
Call to Action for Listener Questions
36:39 to 38:49
Engage with listeners by encouraging them to submit questions and funny inquiries.
“Energy tariffs do change pretty much daily.”
Listener Success Story: Financial Strategies for Marriage
38:49 to 42:01
Hear a listener's success story involving smart energy use and financial planning for marriage.
“We need you to be part of our team and help feed in to what we can feed back to you.”
Personal Finance Success Stories
42:01 to 43:16
Learn about the hosts' financial achievements, including savings and pension enhancements.
“Yeah you could get batteries too and really ramp it up as well if you've been saving yeah you'd really have to think about it though, wouldn't you?”
Listener Engagement and Badges
43:16 to 44:11
Hear how listener engagement is celebrated with fun badges for participants.
“and I am also lucky to have Matt alongside me and Claire here in the studio fact-checking me live as we go and I think that is a really good way to end.”
Positive Feedback and Closing Thoughts
44:11 to 44:52
The hosts reflect on uplifting listener feedback and wrap up the episode.
“So I had an email from someone who came on the podcast, Joe.”
Transcript
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1:31Martin Lewis:This is our Question Time episode where you are Esquire's extremely savvy questioners get to ask me your questions on absolutely anything and everything, open brackets, within reason, close brackets. And this week you ask me, if I claim marriage tax allowance, will I have to do a tax return? Will the Chancellor's new ISA rules ruin my marriage savings? If you don't have any national insurance contribution years, do you still get a state pension? My dad's on a prepayment meter. Is there anything he can do to cut the rate? And we finish with a success. Yes, you help my finances and you help me find love.
2:11Martin Lewis:Worth a listen, that one. Play the theme tune. I got bills, I got pay, so I'm going to work, work, work, work, never, ever. I got mouths, I got feet, so I'm going to make sure everybody eats. Hello and welcome to this episode of the Question Time podcast. Yes, it's where you get to ask me a question on anything and everything, open brackets, within reason, close brackets. and joining me for the Question Time podcast is the one, the only, Professor, Doctor, Sir Matthew Burnham Esquire, the curator of questions himself. Add a round of applause when you edit it, Matt. Hello, mate. Hello. How are you?
2:58Martin Lewis:Yeah, I'm all right. I got the doctor in the right place this week. You got the doctor in the right place. You didn't put the Lord in, though. I think Lord was a one-off to welcome you back. Right. I don't think you've earned Lord yet. Okay, not yet. One day. And it's interesting because we have to be very on this podcast. I'm delighted to hear that we are becoming the pedants podcast of choice. And I say this in a nice way. The pedantry we get is good, positive, encouraging, joining the club pedantry. But I even got it from my daughter. Really? Really? Yeah, who noted last week that I had apparently gone, the podcast where you can ask me anything and everything, within reason, close brackets.
3:44Martin Lewis:You didn't open your brackets. And I hadn't opened my brackets. And she noticed that. She noticed and she wanted to point out to me that I couldn't close a bracket because I hadn't opened a bracket. And then she did ask, which I thought was very nice because she's wonderful. She said, is it a problem, Daddy? as that it's not. It's not. People are not going to mind that I didn't open my brackets. I haven't seen actually. I haven't looked in the emails yet to see if anyone's complained. Anyone else noted my lack of bracket precision. Can Martin Lewis please open his brackets if he's going to close them?
4:14That's what the email will say.
4:15Martin Lewis:If not, what is he closing the bracket to? Does the close bracket apply all the way back until the previous opening brackets on two podcasts ago? Yes. So that the entire two podcast content is within a bracket. Oh, but it's very nice that she's listened to the podcast. She loves the podcast. She listens to the Question Time podcast every week. It's really great. What I love is it's prompting because I want her to understand. I don't want her to follow in my footsteps, but I want her to understand how money works because obviously when people meet her, they say to her, oh, you must know everything about ISAs and things like that.
4:49Martin Lewis:You can imagine the pressure. Yeah. And she's 13 and she does have a pretty good knowledge. But actually, since she started listening to question time, I'm getting a lot more money questions about what does this mean and how does this work on the back of her listening to question time. So it's absolutely wonderful for me, alongside the other thing that I'm trying to do with at the moment, which is to explain the difference between the executive, the legislature and the judiciary, which I really wanted to understand how separation of powers works. I'm like an old mini Montesquieu for anyone who knows that reference.
5:19Martin Lewis:We should probably move on at that point, although I do need to say something else. Oh, go on. Totally separate point. The bastion and authority of fact-checking, Rosie, is not here this week. No GDPR. No, no GDPR. But the wonderful Claire is sitting here in Rosie's place. And I'm debating, not made my mind up yet, Rosie never speaks. Do we let Claire speak? Well, it's not us stopping, Rosie. speaking. It's sort of just become a thing. It's a thing now so she doesn't speak. But is it that all of your fact checkers don't speak and they are just a silent wisdom? I don't know. Shall we play it by ear and see how we feel as we go through the pod?
5:58Martin Lewis:Shall we do a question? Claire is smiling at that, by the way. Claire's giving me a smile at that. Let's start with a question. One from Darren who has emailed in. In fact, not just start with a question. I think we should do questions throughout this Question Time podcast. Okay, maybe we'll start a question. Okay, yes, good. Okay. Darren's emailed this in. martin and luce podcast at bbc.co.uk. He says, dear Martin, Simon, Matt, Matt and Rosie. And Claire. And Claire now. He didn't add Claire, but we're adding Claire. It's the whole family. I am a higher rate taxpayer. We have two children aged 15 and 13.
6:32For the last 13 years, my wife has been the full-time carer for our severely disabled youngest son. My wife claims carer's allowance and we claim disability living allowance on behalf of our son. We do not claim child benefit. If we were to claim the married person's tax benefit, would I or my wife be required to complete an annual tax self-assessment? I'm quite worried about having to start doing this as I'm notoriously bad at this type of admin and would be worried that I might fail to submit a return one year and receive a fine, especially as our son's care needs are high and we don't really get much free time to fill out taxing tax returns.
7:08Any advice you have would be greatly appreciated.
7:11Martin Lewis:Thanks so much for your question, Darren. Yeah, really interesting. Let me deal with the second issue first, the marriage tax allowance, and then we'll come on to the child benefit. I'm afraid it isn't going to be an issue for you. You cannot claim marriage tax allowance. The marriage tax allowance is for non-taxpayers, which is your wife, married to a basic rate taxpayer, which isn't you. You're a higher rate taxpayer. if you go over the high rate tax threshold even by a pound you can no longer do the marriage tax allowance which is why it'd be worth increasing your pension by a pound in that situation so that you were no longer a high rate taxpayer and then you would still be able to claim the marriage tax allowance.
7:52Martin Lewis:What the marriage tax allowance does is it allows a non-taxpayer to apply to have 10 % of their personal allowance the amount that they can earn tax free each year to be shifted to the basic rate taxpayer. So that basic rate taxpayer then has another£1 ,250, roughly, that they can earn tax-free rather than paying 20 % tax on it. So the typical saving is around£250 a year and you can back claim it. But you can't do it because you're a high rate taxpayer. So you're asking about the self-assessment. Would it make it more difficult? I'm not sure whether my answer is better or worse for you. You're not going to have a self-assessment problem because you can't claim the marriage tax allowance, I'm afraid, but it may be useful for many other people out there.
8:35Martin Lewis:So if you are listening and you are in a relationship where one of you is a non-taxpayer, and non-taxpayer just means you don't pay income tax, you don't earn enough to pay income tax in the year, I don't care if you're a volunteer, I don't care if you work, I don't care if you don't work, I don't care any of those circumstances, people always ask me questions, what if, what if. If you don't pay income tax in the tax year, you're a non-taxpayer, and if you pay 20 % income tax, you're a basic rate taxpayer and if you two are married or in a civil partnership not just cohabiting then you are entitled to use the marriage tax allowance go and do a little bit of reading on it because if you've been entitled to it for four years previously as well it can be worth£1 ,250 for you and you get a backdated payant of£1 ,000 as part of that.
9:18Martin Lewis:Now the second bit I'm trying to work out why you don't claim child benefit. Now my assumption is that it's because you're a higher rate taxpayer. And the way that child benefit works is you've got the high income child benefit charge that starts to effectively take away child benefit once the highest earner is earning£60 ,000 until the highest earner earns£80 ,000 where you don't get any child benefit at all. So my assumption is you know that, but I just want to check because it used to be£50 ,000 where it started to be taken away and£60 ,000 where you didn't get it. That changed a couple of years ago.
10:01Martin Lewis:If you earn over£80 ,000, then you're right. You don't want child benefit because you just pay it back in tax and that's a hassle. Although I would still suggest that your wife registers for child benefit at the zero rate. So you say, I am eligible for child benefit, but I want to be paid nothing because that can help her earn national insurance credits as childcare. And that is the trigger for earning national insurance credits of childcare is claiming child benefit. She may already have that, but that's just worth checking into. If you're earning less than£80 ,000, then you do want to pay, then you do want to get child benefit because there's still a net benefit for you.
10:43Martin Lewis:And it doesn't always mean you will get the, have to do self-assessment now because I believe this year they brought in a simplified form. I will double check that. And if I'm wrong, I will add in an edit later in the podcast. And if I don't edit it, you listening will know I'm right and you don't need to do self-assessment tax on it. So I'm afraid to have given you one answer in the negative, but maybe there's a chance that you're missing out on child benefit because your earnings are under£80 ,000. And again, it's the highest earner. If you're in a couple, it's the highest earner's earnings.
11:14Martin Lewis:And if you're thinking, isn't that a bit unfair? Yes, it's very unfair. It is the ridiculous scenario that if you have two neighbours and one of them earns£80 ,000 and their partner earns£20 ,000, they don't get it. But if the two people living next door both earn£70 ,000, so have a much higher total income, they are entitled to some child benefit. It is a ridiculous system that is very unfair for dominant earner, single earner and single parent households. And it's one I have campaigned on. It works similar for the tax-free childcare allowance too. But you know what? I don't win all the campaigns I do.
11:58Martin Lewis:When does the higher rate kick in? Higher rate tax kicks in at£50 ,000. The child benefit cut off through the high income child benefit starts at£60 ,000 and it's fully gone by£80 ,000. So they're all different thresholds. So, Matt, I mean, after last week when I said Evens would be a caller and you disappointed me on one of them, we're going into our second question. It's Evens. Is it a caller? What do you think? Yes. It is a caller. It's a caller. It's Katie in Peterborough. Hi, Katie. Hi, Katie. Hello. Hello. Hello. What can we do for you? Yeah, so I'm an avid listener of the podcast every week.
12:44and I was recently listening to...
12:47Martin Lewis:Well, in that case, I'm going to do this now. So you know who Rosie is, if you're an avid listener. So Rosie never speaks, but this week Rosie's away and Claire, wonderfully from my team, is filling in for Rosie. So I've decided to subvert the whole podcast format. Claire, say hello. Hello. There you go. Rosie never speaks, but Claire does. There you are. That's so mean. Poor Rosie. And Rosie doesn't mind. Well, I hope she doesn't mind. I don't think Rosie will mind. Right. Sorry, Katie. Let's get on with your question. No, that's fine. Well, yes, so I was listening to one of your most recent podcasts about the new ISA rules and the changes coming in from April next year.
13:32and I just wanted to get some clarification from you but also some advice about what I would like to do when it comes to my ISAs. So me and my partner, we've been together for a very long time. We've just had our second baby. Well, I say just, she's 10 months old now. Well, congratulations anyway.
13:53Martin Lewis:It's the first opportunity I've had to say congratulations so even though it's 10 months, I'm saying it. That's fine. and we have a house and a dog and essentially the next event on our horizon is a wedding. And we're not engaged yet, but the forever financially savvy bone in my body says to, does it matter? And, you know, I want to prepare myself financially for this. So I'm going to start saving and investing money now for something in the future. Listen, I think that's great. whatever the cause, whatever the motivation that you put in, if you want to demark this as wedding savings, that's great.
14:34Martin Lewis:It might end up being savings for something else. You never know. Yes. But saving and investing and protect yourself is always a good idea. So, I mean, hey, you've got two kids, you've got a dog, you've got a house. Sounds like you're a pretty established couple. This isn't, it's not, you've been on three dates two weeks ago and you think he's kind of cute. You know, you're a little bit further along the path than that one. I think it all sounds good to me. So, yes, I've been investing for a while in my stocks and shares ISA. I'm not a beginner investor and the sort of timeline I sort of have in the back of my head is sort of within the next five years or so.
15:11So, I'm quite comfortable with that sort of level of risk. But my plan was, once I sort of hit the goal that I have in mind in my stocks and shares ISA, I was planning to sell shares and assets and then transfer that money from my stocks and shares ISA into my cash ISA just to protect the money once I've hit that goal from any sudden drops in value just as I'm about to spend it.
15:45Martin Lewis:So the de-risk, the classic, you're moving it into a de-risk point once you want to crystallise the assets and spend the assets, yeah. Exactly, yeah. But I'd like your clarification on, you know, with these new ISO rules, am I still able to do that? No. Well, yeah, if I can't do that, what do you think I should do once I've hit my goal? So let's just go into this. So this is about the fact, and this is all on the back of, from next year, under 65s will have a reduced cash ISA allowance. So currently, everybody can put£20 ,000 a tax year into an ISA, an individual savings account, whether it's in stocks and shares or whether it's in cash, and then it's tax free.
16:30Martin Lewis:From next year, the maximum you're able to put in the cash bit is£12 ,000. You could still continue to put another£8 ,000 into stocks and shares. And what was announced last week is effectively the government's idea of anti-avoidance measures, because what they didn't want people doing is saying, well, I can only put£12 ,000 in a cash ISA, but I can put£20 ,000 in a shares ISA and I can hold cash in a shares ISA, in a savings element in a shares ISA, so I could just use my shares ISA as a cash ISA and put all the money in there. But the main anti-avoidance measure they've come up with, well, there are two.
17:05Martin Lewis:The first is from next April, you will not be allowed, if you're under 65, to transfer money from a shares ISA to a cash ISA. You will be allowed to transfer from a cash ISA to a shares ISA. The second rule is that if you hold cash in a shares ISA and that cash or that savings earns interest, then that interest will be taxed at 22%. Yes. So from your perspective, you have one choice. Now, I presume that your de-risk period is potentially, you're talking two, three, four years away, it's not before next April. Yes, yeah. So, I mean, obviously the one route would be if it was before next April, well, you've still got until next April to be able to de-risk, get the money out and move it into a cash ISA.
17:52Martin Lewis:And it's worth you thinking, is there any amount of that money you would want to do this with now if you're going to be doing it pretty soon afterwards anyway, but if you're going to be doing it another year or two away, you don't want to. Your other option within that, I mean, it is quite simply de-risk. I mean, you could argue you could put it in money management funds, but they are slightly more volatile than put it into cash savings within a shares ISA. Or you simply just say, these are the rules, I'll de-risk, I'll leave it in cash in my shares ISA and I will pay the 22 % tax because you don't want to lose the ISA allowance in case you wanted to invest it again.
18:34Martin Lewis:My question, what rate taxpayer are you? Well this also complicates it. At the minute I'm a 20 % taxpayer but by the time I would sort of start to de-risk myself I probably will be a higher rate taxpayer just because of the frozen thresholds, basically. Yeah, you're being fiscally dragged into the higher rate tax threshold. Do you already use your personal savings allowance? You know, the£1 ,000 of interest that you can make each year outside of ISAs. No, no. So that should be OK. It's a shame. I was hoping you'd say yes because then I could make the answer slightly happier. As you say no and you've got that unused.
19:17Martin Lewis:I mean, look, one thing you could simply do, depending on how much money you're taking out is you could just take the money out and accept you take it out and if you're a basic rate taxpayer you can use the thousand you can make a thousand pounds of interest a year tax free anyway outside of an isa if you're by then a high rate taxpayer it's only 500 pounds of interest a year but it's worth noting if you're just above the threshold of high rate tax it may be worth in this circumstance doing a slight increase in your pension contribution, which would put you below the threshold. So let's say, you know, you were 500 quid above the threshold in earnings, then put 500 quid in your pension.
19:55Martin Lewis:Because if you're below the threshold, you can then make£1 ,000 of interest as a basic rate taxpayer, rather than £500 of interest as a higher rate taxpayer. Do you see what I mean? Yes, I am. Sorry. Oh, you've got a little one in the background I can hear. That's OK. Did you get that, Kate? That's all right. Yes, I did. Yeah, yeah, I got it. Yeah. You got it. So it may be worth doing that. So look, one option would be when you get to that point is take if you're not going to be if you're going to be spending it, then there's no there's no problem you taking it out of your ISA. It's slightly frustrating, but there's no problem.
20:24Martin Lewis:And you may as well take it out and utilise both your personal savings allowance. And if you have a cash ISA allowance that year that you haven't utilised with the money for the rest of it, if you are a higher rate taxpayer, higher, then the tax that you would pay if you took it out outside a personal savings allowance would be 40 % and it's 22 % that you're being charged inside the ISA. So it's still slightly cheaper than taking it out. But the honest thing is it's just really, it will be really frustrating. I understand the government have done this as an anti-avoidance measure. I think it has some real unintended consequences.
20:57Martin Lewis:You are a classic example of one of them. It is preventing you from de-risking when you want to. I also think it's difficult for people who want to drip feed money into the market that it makes it more tough that they can't just put the payment in when they've got it it has to be a much more complicated way of doing it um and we will wait and see what the the net impact of that on a population level is once this comes into place next april yeah because obviously i mean i have a specific event in mind but um i also sort of was thinking about early retirement and that you know will also sort of uh and using my isis to sort of bridge that gap before being able to get my personal workplace pension.
21:39And I mean, I know that's a long time, that would be a long time in the future. But I mean, if anybody was thinking about it now as well, you know.
21:46Martin Lewis:In a way, if you're taking money out, it's not as bad because you're taking it out and you're going to spend it. Right. So that's not that. The issue is holding cash in there is the real problem. Now, there are, and it's outside of my expertise, there are money market funds and there are other much lower risk funds. So there's an argument that says, depending on when you're de-risking, you could still de-risk in a shares, a stocks and shares type environment by using money market funds. Actually, I tell you the one thing, and I should have said it earlier, short-dated gilts. Do you know what they are?
22:15I know what a guilt is, but a short-dated one I'm not so familiar with.
22:20Martin Lewis:Okay. So a guilt, for those who don't know, is effectively a loan to the UK government. And it's done that you buy a guilt, you're loaning the government money and it will pay you both income in the forms of a dividend, which is taxable as income, like savings, and it will pay you an amount normally at the end which should be more than you paid. So you might pay 98p and you get a pound back at maturity. Now if you buy a long-dated gilt, the value of the gilt will go up and down with interest rates and the same will happen with a short-dated gilt, but what short-dated means is literally the maturity date is not a long way away.
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22:58Martin Lewis:So you could buy a short-dated gilt for six months and in six months' time you know exactly what the government will pay you. So if it costs you 98p or 99p, it will pay you a pound and you might get a little bit of interest too. Normally the reason people choose short-dated gilts outside of an ISA is the capital gain you make. So the increase from the 98p to the pound is tax-free. So it can be a very, it doesn't apply to capital gains tax, it's exempt from capital gains tax. So the amount that you can get if the gain is where you're making it most can be very effective for people who hire or top rate taxpayers and can actually net in at better than a savings account.
23:36Martin Lewis:Now, you're within an ISA, so that wouldn't matter anyway. But you may find, you know, let's say if you're de-risking from shares eight months before you need the money, you might be able to find a short dated gilt, which gives you an exact return as long as you hold it for the full eight months until it matures, you may be able to find an eight-month guilt that will give you an exact return in eight months' time as long as you hold it for the eight months' time and pay a little bit of income on top, which might outperform your cash savings. Now, clearly, I've explained that quickly and you need to do some reading on that, but it sounds like you're financially savvy and that is worth looking into for you.
24:15Yes, that would be great, yeah.
24:17Martin Lewis:Yeah, but I mean, they're trying to shut off these routes. That is the overall problem here. It is the real problem. So now just let's go, let's change subjects slightly. The wedding, the marriage. You're obviously, it takes two. Yes. Are you both thinking of this or are you thinking of this? No, no, no. We are both thinking of this. What would be the trigger for it? Well, we've got a big family holiday, our first big family holiday coming up this September. so I think maybe a question might be asked. Okay. But in terms of actually the time, like the timeline of everything, I would like to wait for my youngest to be sort of five years old-ish just so that they can enjoy it as well and not be so, need so much babysitting on the day.
25:13Martin Lewis:What is your partner's name? Scott. And will Scott listen to the podcast? He may do because I've asked a question, but generally... I mean, because he's going to hear that you've just said you're expecting a question to be asked. I mean, we need to be straight about this, Katie. No, no, he's... This has been a conversation for quite a few years. Yeah, you've been dropping, shall we say, not-so-subtle hints. Yes, yeah. And of course, from my perspective and a financial perspective, the benefits of marriage or civil partnership are absolutely huge financially for inheritance tax and passing assets between spouses and all of that type of thing.
25:54Martin Lewis:So it is absolutely beneficial if you're in a long-term relationship. It is hugely beneficial financially to be married, or if you don't like the baggage of marriage, a civil partnership does the same thing compares to cohabiting. So I approve. I approve. OK, good. It sounds good. If anything happens, I can email back into the podcast. We would love to hear. We'll have to do an update on the story. We'd absolutely love to do that. Thank you so much for your question. I hope it managed to help somewhat. I mean, we're still all working our way through this new structure that the government has come up with for when it comes in place next April.
26:31Martin Lewis:But those are my provisional thoughts. Yes. No, yeah. I feel like most probably people in this situation is you sort of get a bit punished for doing the right thing almost. But never mind. Yeah, and of course, I shouldn't say what I'm going to say, but the plan is it will be happening next April and one suspects there might be different personnel making decisions, so who knows? Yes, yeah, yes, that's true. Okay, thanks so much. Thanks for your call. Nice to chat to you. No, thank you very much. Thank you. It's producer Matt here just jumping in to let you know that if you want to hear Martin's full podcast, where he explains everything you need to know about the rule changes with ICES and lifetime ICES, You can find that three episodes back from this one on BBC Sounds.
27:16Why not go and listen to it after you finish this episode? That was very interesting. What have you got for me next? I've got a read. Okay. A read from Phil. Phil's emailed in to martinlewispodcast at bbc.co.uk and he says, Dear Matt, Simon, and of course Martin. Okay, put me at the end. I like it. It's funny. He says, I have what I thought would be a simple question, but I'm struggling to find an answer. I have a family member who's approaching 40 and has no national insurance contributions as they've never worked, claimed any form of benefit or had children. Assuming this continues and they fail to achieve 10 years worth of contributions or have bought 10 years worth.
27:55My question is, as they don't qualify for the state pension under current rules, what would they be entitled to, if anything?
28:02Martin Lewis:OK, really interesting question. I'm going to answer under current rules. Obviously, this individual won't be reaching their state pension age for another minimum 27 years. So, things could have changed in that time. You are quite right. There is a hard bottom and a soft top when it comes to the state pension. What I mean by that is, when I talk about how many years you need to of national insurance contributions, for those who don't know, national insurance contributions are when you work, or as rightly pointed out, if you get certain benefits or if you look after children, you get a national insurance credit.
28:37Martin Lewis:I almost think of it like a token for each year that you work, you get a national insurance credit, a token that goes into the piggy bank. And I generally say you need 35 years worth-ish of national insurance to get the full state pension. But it really is an ish. For some people, it's more for some people that's less. And just because you've got your full state pension entitlement doesn't mean you stop paying national insurance if you're working and you're under state pension age, which people get frustrated about. But the bottom is a hard bottom because to get any state pension, you need 10 years of national insurance credits.
29:11Martin Lewis:And I went through this in a lot of detail when I was doing my campaign last year when you could buy back. I think it was 14 extra years. The window was shutting on that and there was a lot of urgency and talking about whether it was worth buying extra years. And in fact, we had someone who had nine years worth and wanted to know if it was worth buying and buying just one year. suddenly was hugely valuable and had a payback time of, you know, within three months of getting their state pension, they would have got back the money that they paid to buy the extra year because you go from nothing to effectively a third of a state pension or just under a third of a state pension once you hit 10 years.
29:44Martin Lewis:So you asked me what you would get. Well, you wouldn't get a state pension if you had under 10 years worth of contributions. If you had no income, and remember, income can be derived from savings. So if this person, I don't know why they're not working. If this person has a lot of assets, then the assets would be converted into a calculation to be income. Then the obvious thing for someone with no or very low income is pension credit. Pension credit is effectively a top up to any or no state pension that you get to give you a minimum income. So for people who have less than about£240 of income a week, including state pension and any private pension and any income from savings and investments, then they can get the pension credit top up.
30:31Martin Lewis:So my pension credit, interestingly, is actually a gateway benefit that opens up access to a whole other load of benefits. So I don't know the reason that this person is never working. If it's because they've got loads of assets and loads of family wealth, then they won't be entitled to pension credit. If they because... Well, I doubt it's because of health issues that they'd probably be entitled to certain benefits. So I have no idea what the issue is here, but my answer would be pension credit. I feel I'm doing it on a slightly theoretical basis, though, with the information that I have. Are you sitting there thinking, oh, I know what I wanted to ask him?
31:09Martin Lewis:Well, this is your opportunity. If you've got a question, then just send them in to martinlewispodcast at bbc.co.uk. And please do start them, dear Martin. No, dear Matt. Dear Martin. Dear Matt. Who have you got for me now? I have got a caller. Well done. Ben in Berry. Hi, Ben. Hi, guys. You all right? Hi, Ben. Welcome on board. Your badge will be flowing its way. It will be Ben in Berry with a badge at some point in the future. Oh, I can't wait. Bit of pride of Barry. What's your question? Regarding my dad, he's 78. He's on pension credits. He's got a smart prepayment meter. He keeps saying that basically he's putting more and more on the prepayment meter.
32:01And with the energy tariff going up, is there anything that he can do? He doesn't use much electricity. It's only about four kilowatts a day.
32:10Martin Lewis:Okay. So there are limited choices here. The prepayment market is much less competitive than the other market. So funny, we were talking about this in the podcast last week because I'd given evidence to the Public Accounts Committee on this exact issue. So just to set the big picture here, prepayment meters used to be more expensive than paying by monthly direct debit, which was always the cheapest. Then I think it was probably about 18 months-ish ago that they changed it. So now if you're on the price cap, you know, the standard rate, if you haven't got a special deal or you haven't got a fix or anything, prepayment is now a couple of percent cheaper than monthly direct debiting is actually the cheapest way to pay, which I think was a good move by the regulator because it is the one that the most vulnerable people tend to be on.
32:56Martin Lewis:However, it is very uncompetitive. So in most cases, especially if you don't have a smart meter, you are stuck on the price cap. And even though direct debit is more expensive on the price cap, if you pay by direct debit, that's where all the competitive switchers tariffs are. So, you know, the cheapest fixes on the direct debit are far cheaper than the prepayment on a price cap. So the first thing we need to look at is, is anything available? Now, you said he's got a smart meter. Yeah. That's useful. There's virtually nothing if you're on an old school meter for prepayment. There are occasionally smart prepay fixes available.
33:40Martin Lewis:There is one right now. It's EDF. It's fixed for a year on average, and it depends on the region, so you'll have to forgive me. I'm going to give you an average. On average, it's 5 % cheaper than the current price gap. Just to put that in context, the cheapest fix available for someone on direct debit is around 16 % cheaper than the price cap. So you can see the 5 % cheaper isn't that great. And it actually, whereas fixing that 16 % less than the price cap is a no-brainer because we think the price cap when it moves in October is going to stay roughly the same and the price cap when it moves in January is, it's a bit more crystal ball gazing, but it's going to stay roughly the same as the July price cap.
34:23Martin Lewis:so therefore the wriggle room you know if it's 16 % cheaper I mean it's it's pretty unthinkable that you're going to pay more over the year on the fix than you would do on the price cap a five percent it it's not quite a no it's not quite a no-brainer in the same way so that is roughly where we are uh how does that sound yeah to be fair I'm with EDS myself so I was sort of thinking of referring him and then he can he can get a bonus credit as well which might sort of see him through a few weeks as well well that's all right that's not too bad yeah there's how's his health by the way can i ask i don't mean it in is he yeah he's healthy he's got all like he goes on the he's got the social tariff for like virgin and sky and whatever so like we've sort of maximized that i was just checking whether he should be on the priority services register which is basically that if there are difficulties being had, it's not about price, it's about difficulties being had that he should be seen as a priority customer.
35:23Martin Lewis:If you know, for example, if he had difficulty reading his meter or if he would cut off and that type of thing. Sounds like he's all right though for that. He is, but that's definitely something we'll look at. It's something worth knowing for maybe, you know, as people age, you know, maybe in 70 or 80 years time when he's of a much older age, it might be worth knowing for that point, if you know what I mean. um so so yeah i mean it is very difficult on prepayment and again if i go back to the evidence session i gave this that which was meant to be at how you help vulnerable people with energy one of the big points i made is most vulnerable people are on the on the form of tariff the prepayment meter which is less competitive and therefore can't access the cheaper deals so we have yet again the poverty premium operating within energy on this basis um and i'm afraid i don't have much of a solution for you apart from that edf fix which sounds good with the money that would be coming in um but at least well i i can put i have been trying to do something about it in the bigger picture if not in the micro picture no that's that that's brilliant that's brilliant we'll look at we'll look at switching them over to that then yeah so make sure you do a comparison but then yeah once you know it's the right tariff get your get the referral fee that you get and hopefully you get paid and he gets paid and then you're both doing well yeah hopefully all right Good luck to you.
36:36Martin Lewis:Thank you so much for calling. Thank you. Bye. Just a quick note. Energy tariffs do change pretty much daily. So what I was saying in that was at the time of recording, you may be listening later. The same tariffs may not be available. So I would always go for this. I go on to a price comparison site. As I often say, I'd go to one that's whole of market by default. There is only one. I'm not allowed to tell you which one it is. so if you're not on that one and you're on one of the others what you must always make sure you do is there'll be a little box at the bottom somewhere that says as quietly as they possibly can show all tariffs so you need to tick the show all tariffs because many of the cheapest tariffs at the moment don't pay comparison sites so they won't be in their default search so make sure you do tick that.
37:28Martin Lewis:Okay, those are our four main questions, Matt. Now, this is normally the time where you give me an askance or a funny question. Yes. Have you got one for me? I wish I could sit here and say yes, but I have to scour in the inbox for hours and hours and hours. I could not find a single one. The inbox isn't that big, is it? The inbox is massive. We get loads of emails. I'm very I'm so pleased to hear it. I never see it. OK, look, listen, people. You're letting young Matt down. The man has spent... I mean, I'm worried he'll lose his hair. I'm worried for his health. The stress. I mean, just imagine the panic he has coming to this podcast, ready to produce it, and he has to say, no, Martin, we don't have an askance.
38:11Martin Lewis:We don't have a funny. And he's worried. He's worried, you know, there might be physical violence. I mean, admittedly, he's not that worried as he records in Manchester and I'm in London, so it would be a little bit different to do. But in a metaphorical sense, there might be physical violence. I hope not. For him, not really. Oh, right. I'm trying to get them to... I'm trying to encourage them to question. Sorry, carry on, carry on. Sorry. Right, and so... But I don't blame Matt, listeners. I don't blame Matt. I'm blaming you. You know, you come each week, you listen to the podcast, you get your answers, you enjoy the banter, you feel you're part of the team.
38:44Martin Lewis:Well, if you're part of the team, where are your askance and funny questions? That's what I have to say to you. So question time listeners, my esquires, to all my esquires listening, you've let us down this week. We need your funny. We need your askance questions. We need you. We need you to be part of our team and help feed in to what we can feed back to you. Have I done enough? I think so. All right. How do they send them in? Just email to martinlewispodcast at bbc.co.uk and address them to dear Martin. Dear Matt. and put, this is my askance funny because I knew you were short. And hey, you will be an Esquire.
39:22Martin Lewis:Or maybe you come on to ask it in person and then you get a badge, even though it's not a money question. Imagine that. So not only am I uplifting you, I'm bribing you at the same time. So what are we going to finish with then? Well, I have a nice success that I thought we could do. Okay, good. I like it. I love a success. Love a success. This one's been sent in by Flavio, I think is how you pronounce their name. How do you spell it? F-L-A-V-I-U. Yeah, I'm leaving that one to you. Flavio Esquire. Nice. We know how to pronounce Esquire. We do know how to pronounce Esquire. They say, Dear Professor Lord Dr Matt Esquire.
39:59Missing a few there, but I'll take it. And Martin OBE. You're not an OBE, are you? CBE. But I mean, now I know why you like the success,
40:07Martin Lewis:because it starts with Professor Lord Dr Matt Esquire. Exactly. It's how to get my attention. they go on to say you asked for more personal experiences in the pod we did actually just a reminder on that this is about personal experiences and also responses if you have something that helps one of our questioners and you've heard a question and you've had a similar experience then get in touch on the back of those we'd love to hear that as well as your questions please yes we would they say so I finally thought it was time to write in with my repeat successes as a long time listener your embrace of the nerdy side with your wife help me lean into mine when dating.
40:43I know. I can't wait to tell Lara that. That's amazing. Wasn't a success with everyone, but my partner responded to it instantly. And now it's all over our joint life. She's a better listener, but doesn't know I'm sending this in. We're all in with time of use tariffs, running around using maximum electricity in cheap times. Our typical usage is five to seven kilowatt hours a day, but our record is 25 kilowatt hours on a windy Saturday in April, for which Octopus paid us 91p.
41:10Martin Lewis:So for those who don't know, if you're on the Octopus Agile tariff and it's only for sophisticated users like Flaviu who understand what they're doing, I mean, last week during peak times, it was four times more expensive than the price cap. So you really have to understand it. But during some other times, they can pay you to generate electricity. I've seen it up to nine pence a kilowatt hour. In which case, everything you've been waiting to do, you turn on. I mean, if you've got an electric vehicle charger, it's time and your car's time it's like call up one of your friends hi do you want to bring your car around to my house and charge it because you're being paid to use energy because it's instead of shutting the net off in the surplus times that they do it that way.
41:50Martin Lewis:So carry on I'm loving this carry on. During expensive times we just go on impromptu dates instead of cooking nominally we're 19 % down on the best one year fix when we started a year ago. Brilliant. Yeah you could get batteries too and really ramp it up as well if you've been saving yeah you'd really have to think about it though, wouldn't you? Additionally, between us, we've stacked up roughly£2 ,800 in switching bonuses over the past year, all going into our honeymoon pot. So that's bank account switching and there are loads of bank account switching bonuses and deals available at the moment.
42:19That's really cool. They then say, which brings me to, we're getting married in August, MSE, marital success expert. Love it. Love it. And huge congratulations and Mazel Tov from me. A bonus, they say. Last year I managed to buy my mum seven extra state pension qualifying years for about£600, taking her from£9 to£16, enough to actually qualify for state pension. That one felt good.
42:41Martin Lewis:And how much does that fit in? That was not planned. That fits in with what we've already been talking about this programme. This is the best email ever. Thank you very much. They finished with, thanks for everything. Your show has touched more aspects of my life than I ever expected. Lovely to hear that. I found that quite moving, actually. Thank you so much. We get so many. I was joking before about telling everybody off and not sending in the funny questions. We get so many lovely emails and questions. And it is joyous to feel a part of people's lives and to be able to do something that helps people in this way.
43:13Martin Lewis:It is a wonderful thing. I am very, very lucky to have my job. and I am also lucky to have Matt alongside me and Claire here in the studio fact-checking me live as we go and I think that is a really good way to end. Ooh, it was. It was. Did you hear my peroration? I'd finished. Yeah. I was all ready to go. Badge update. Badge update. Yes. Badges. So if you come on the podcast, you get a badge. You can call yourself an Esquire if we read out your question but if you come on the podcast, you can also call yourself an Esquire but you will get sent a badge and these badges are badges that I designed and I think they're fantastic.
43:51Martin Lewis:I still haven't seen it yet because as you will have heard, Rosie's away, Claire is sitting in for her, Rosie went to Manchester, she's got a bag of badges but I haven't seen Rosie since she got back from Manchester so that she can give me my badge. Rosie is badge hoarding. I have to be very careful how I say that. Rosie is a badge hoarder. Hoarder, yes. Hoarder, yes. So I had an email from someone who came on the podcast, Joe. They say, hello, Matt. So it was just sent to me. I just wanted to let you and Martin know that I just returned home today after a lovely week in Portugal with the family.
44:27What would normally be a depressing return has turned around by the arrival of my Squire badge, which has really made me smile. Thank you so much. I enjoyed listening to the latest episodes by the pool. Our first badge recipient. How lovely.
44:39Martin Lewis:Love it. And I'm glad you had a good holiday too. She sent a picture with her thumb and then the badge in the picture. What a lovely, uplifting way to end. Let's stop it there. And that's it for this week's Question Time. Don't forget to subscribe so you know when we release a new episode. We put out a new Question Time episode each Monday alongside the Big Topic podcast with Adrian on Thursdays. Aren't you lucky? Two doses of money-saving tips and tricks a week. Do please send in your questions. just email martinlewispodcast at bbc.co.uk and address them to Dear Martin, Dear Matt, Dear Martin, Dear Matt.
45:16Martin Lewis:We do like doing that. And don't forget, if you come on the show, you'll get an exclusive Money Can't Buy Martin Lewis podcast question time batch. Who wouldn't want that? That's a rhetorical question, by the way. Bye.
45:43Martin Lewis is the founder of money-saving-expert.com. But of course, other consumer and price comparison websites are available. You can get in touch with Martin's podcast production team by emailing martinlewispodcast at bbc.co.uk. The offers and rates mentioned in the podcast are correct at the time of recording. However, if you are listening on demand, it's worth double-checking as details can date. Remember to subscribe on BBC Sounds and leave us a review however you listen.
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In our Question Time podcast, Martin Lewis gives you answers on anything and everything, including: if I claim Marriage Allowance, will I have to do a tax return? My dad’s on a prepayment meter, is there anything he can do to cut the rate? If you have no National Insurance contributions, do you get a State Pension? Will the Chancellor’s new ISA rules ruin my marriage savings? Plus, we have a great success, where Martin not only helped their finances, but also helped them find love! If you want to ask Martin a question, you now can! His Question Time podcast lets you ask Martin absolutely anything and everything (within reason!). So, if you’ve always wanted to know how many potted plants he has in his house, if his clocks are all precisely synchronised (or not), or have a very complicated question about your finances, email it to MartinLewisPodcast@bbc.co.uk.
