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The Modern Retail Podcast: Episode Summary
Episode Title
AI-generated review summaries could upend online shopping
Episode Overview In this episode of The Modern Retail Podcast, senior reporter Gabi Barkho discusses the transformative impact of AI-generated review summaries on online shopping. Joined by Dawn Hilarczyk (COO at Borghese) and Nick Lafferty (Lead Growth Marketing at Profound), they explore how AI is reshaping product discovery and consumer interaction with reviews.
Key Themes
The Rise of AI in Retail
- Generative AI Influence: AI-generated summaries are changing consumer experiences and expectations.
- Current Usage: Examples from Amazon's Rufus and how AI summarizes customer reviews are highlighted, showcasing the shift from authentic reviews to AI-generated content.
Implications for Brands and Marketers
- Decontextualization of Reviews: AI tools are condensing reviews into generic phrases, which can overlook contextual nuances that customers value in authentic reviews.
- Brand Control: Brands need to adapt to maintain control over how customer reviews are represented in AI-generated summaries.
Key Insights from Guests
Dawn Hilarczyk (Borghese)
- Consumer Voice vs. AI Summaries: The importance of personal narratives in reviews is emphasized, contrasting them with the generic nature of AI summaries.
- Value Assessment: Brands should not dictate what constitutes value for consumers; this can lead to misleading perceptions.
- Personal Connection: Authenticity in reviews (personal stories, specific feedback) is crucial for consumers to relate to products.
Nick Lafferty (Profound)
- Shift to AI Search: Emphasizes that understanding AI's role in product visibility is crucial for brands as AI increasingly dictates how products are presented online.
- Citation Sources: AI tools like Gemini prioritize reputable sources, making it important for brands to engage with platforms where they can be effectively represented (e.g., YouTube, Reddit).
Key Takeaways
- Loss of Nuance: The reduction of nuanced customer feedback to simple summaries can mislead consumers and undermine the value of genuine testimonials.
- Brand Strategy: Brands must actively encourage diverse and detailed reviews to ensure a more accurate representation of their products in AI-generated summaries.
- AI's Rapid Evolution: The fast-paced development of AI technology presents challenges for brands in managing their reputation and customer interaction.
Challenges Facing Brands
- Understanding and adapting to how AI interprets and presents brand information is more vital than ever.
- The need to balance traditional review strategies with new AI-driven approaches to maintain authenticity and consumer trust.
Conclusion The discussion highlights a pivotal moment in the retail landscape, where AI not only influences marketing strategies but also fundamentally alters the consumer experience in product review and selection. Brands must navigate this new terrain with strategic insight to leverage AI effectively while preserving the authenticity of customer feedback.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOAI's Transformative Role in Online Shopping
1:40 to 3:19
Exploring how AI-generated review summaries are changing consumer behavior.
“Brands and retailers may be eligible for a complimentary pass.”
The Shift in Review Culture Due to AI
3:20 to 6:15
Discussion on how AI is altering the nature and authenticity of product reviews.
“Here's another one for a hairstyling product that I came across.”
Impact of AI on Borghese's Brand Perception
6:16 to 7:40
Analyzing how AI influences customer perceptions and the importance of nuanced reviews.
“and helps minimize the appearance of fine lines.”
Challenges of AI Summarization in Reviews
7:41 to 12:20
The difficulties of AI in capturing the personal touch and context in product reviews.
“If you start to see repeat patterns in the behavior, then it starts to feel like it's true.”
Emergence of Agentic Commerce
12:21 to 14:05
A look at the new concept of agentic commerce and its potential impact on retail.
“I'm Christina Ko, Senior Editor at Custom Intelligence, Digiday Media's and Modern Retail's in-house agency.”
Understanding Agentic Commerce
14:05 to 17:05
Learn how consumers' expectations are shaping the future of commerce.
“We're working on the latter, but hope that consumers will also help drive that innovation and change by having that expectation from the brands and retailers to bring these experiences to life.”
AI's Role in Product Narration
17:12 to 19:36
Explore how AI tools are shaping brand representation in search.
“We believe that this shift of moving from traditional search to AI search is really the biggest shift in marketing in the history of the internet.”
The Importance of Reviews for Brands
19:36 to 23:50
Discover why consumer reviews from various sources matter for brands.
“But with AI search, that's getting more complicated.”
Optimizing Product Detail Pages
23:50 to 28:00
Learn how Borghese is enhancing their product detail pages for better engagement.
“For Borghese, which has been around for decades, it's a struggle to encourage reviews that are as recent and accurate as possible.”
The Importance of Detailed Customer Reviews
28:00 to 29:44
Explore how specific customer feedback can enhance product development and user experience.
“are enjoying this product or may not be enjoying the product too, obviously.”
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Navigating AI's Impact on Brand Reputation
29:44 to 30:28
Learn about the challenges brands face in managing their reputation in the age of AI.
“Dawn says there's only so much companies can do to control how AI describes them to potential customers.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:01Dawn Hilarczyk:The best proxy is if we think about how people were talking about AI six months to even a year ago and how people were using it in daily life, I think the same evolution is going to happen here, right? Where most people didn't have any subscription to any AI tools, let's say a year ago, and that's massively shifted to today. I think the same thing is going to be true with Agenda Commerce, where it's going to feel like nothing is changing. And then all at once, it'll feel like it's been here all along. That's Juan Pellerano Rendon, Chief Marketing Officer at Swap, our sponsor on this episode of the Modern Retail Podcast.
0:41Dawn Hilarczyk:Later in the show, Custom Intelligence talks with Juan about the rise of Agenda Commerce, its education phase, and what retailers should keep in mind.
0:58Dawn Hilarczyk:Join us for the Modern Retail Marketing Summit
1:00Gabi Barkho:taking place April 20th through 22nd in Huntington Beach, California. Brand leaders from Thrive Market, Coterie, PacSun, and many others will dive into how they're navigating a marketing landscape
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1:20Gabi Barkho:working groups, casual networking, and more. Don't wait.
1:24Dawn Hilarczyk:We're offering$200 off with the promo code SUMMIT2026, no spaces. Again, that's SUMMIT2026, no spaces. Go to modernretail.co slash marketing summit to learn more and secure your pass. Brands and retailers may be eligible for a complimentary pass. Apply on the event page to see if you qualify.
1:58Nick Lafferty:Hello and welcome to the Modern Retail Podcast, a show about the ways that the retail industry is changing and modernizing. I am senior reporter Gabby Barco. One way that the retail industry is changing, one that we've talked about on this podcast before, is through AI. Not only is it changing the way marketers are doing their jobs, but it's also showing up in the consumer experience. For example, I needed a new trash can. I did what I usually do. Went to Amazon and filtered reviews to four stars and above. Eventually, I settled on this one style that had over 6 ,500 reviews. I thought that was pretty good.
2:41Nick Lafferty:So I scrolled down to read the reviews and the first one I saw was, Customers find this trash can to be of high quality with an attractive and simple design that fits well in various spaces, particularly in bathrooms and offices. They appreciate its compact size and, for example, one customer mentions it's perfect for reusing plastic shopping bags. Opinions are split about how well it works. While some say it works very well, others report that it stops working after some time. That wasn't written by one of the 6 ,500 buyers. That was an AI-generated summary by Rufus, Amazon's AI chatbot. Here's another one for a hairstyling product that I came across.
3:28Nick Lafferty:The product received mixed feedback about its stickiness with some saying it's not sticky while others find it very sticky. Wow, thanks Rufus. As a frequent Amazon user, I've learned to ignore Rufus's summaries and scroll down to people's actual written reviews, product images, and videos. What used to be one of the most reliable ways to decide what to buy on the internet, authentic reviews written by real customers on how the product works or feels or looks for them, has gotten squished down and summarized into generic phrases that don't really help you come to that decision either way. And it's all because of AI.
4:09Gabi Barkho:What I think is interesting is the shift. So the AI agents are really rewriting the review culture. And that is really something that I'm paying close attention to as I look at reviews and how we start showing up. Because one of the most important things for us as a brand is to be transparent and ensure that our community has a voice.
4:29Nick Lafferty:That's Dawn Hilarczyk, the chief operating officer at Borghese, an almost 70-year-old Italian skincare brand. Part of Dawn's job has been reinventing the brand and reestablishing its social presence.
4:43Gabi Barkho:AI and even GEO and SEO and how we discover a brand is the most important thing right now in how we are discovered is that we're not trying to be number one in the page. We're trying to be the answer. And so that's the big shift between SEO and GEO. You know, SEO, it's like you are number one on the page, you're top ranking on the page. And GEO and how we use AI, and this will lead to the reviews as well, is we want to be the answer. But when you have AI rewriting the reviews, it's a really big shift from this plural voices to a single narrative. And then how are you taking these summaries and understanding them and making sure that you're summarizing them correctly.
5:31But the challenge I find with AI is that you struggle with the nuances of it.
5:39Gabi Barkho:So AI can tell you what product is great for you, but it doesn't tell you how you felt about it. Where single voice reviews are, I like the product, but I wish it was thicker. Or I like the product because it felt smooth on my skin. or I didn't like the product because I had a bad reaction. So that's what single reviews were doing in the sense of our community. And now with AI and these summaries, we're missing that piece of that nuance.
6:07Nick Lafferty:Borghese's number one product is the Fango Active Mud Mask. For$58, Borghese customers get a seven and a half ounce jar of the product that exfoliates skin and helps minimize the appearance of fine lines.
6:22Gabi Barkho:So if you think about on traditional reviews, right, you look at a review of a product like Fango. It's our number one product. We have a lot of reviews on it, right? And you can read true reviews and testimonials from customers. So you can see how they liked it, how often they've been using it. I mean, they talk about, I've been using this for generations. I love this product. They make it personal. They talk about how their family uses it or their auntie introduced into it.
6:46Nick Lafferty:The reviews on Borghese's website are full of people writing about their personal connection. That it's the same one their mom used or that they've used it for 30 years ever since a facialist recommended it. And firsthand experience of its efficacy. That the pores on their nose had shrunk in size after just one use. Even Bravo star Bethany Frankel gave her own review of the product last year. Specifically talking about the scent and the feel of the jar and that her teenage daughter steals it.
7:16Gabi Barkho:Oh, the scent. It's more than just like clay. Borghese. I don't know. I love it. And I love this jar and it like doesn't dry up. And I love it. And Bryn stole a lot of it and we're fighting. So there.
7:31Nick Lafferty:But Dawn started noticing that reviews for Fango on Amazon and other retailers were getting summarized by AI and losing that personal touch.
7:41Gabi Barkho:I mean, I'll give you an example. If you start to see repeat patterns in the behavior, then it starts to feel like it's true. And that's not always the case. But if you're getting these repeat phrases like good value, good price, good quality, those are all generic, basically aggregated information. And you're rewriting the narrative, to be honest. And that is what feels misleading. Because they're aggregating these points together that are common. They're summarizing it, which is all fair and great, to speed at which we want to see comments aggregated together. But you're missing the contextual information behind it that has dramatically shifted from when you literally used to write your review and leave your little comment.
8:32Gabi Barkho:And you would talk about how long you've lost the product or why you love it or why it's changed your life. That's not being added to the summary.
8:40Nick Lafferty:The Rufus summarized review says, Customers find the mud mask effective at cleaning pores and achieving porcelain-like skin, with one noting it leaves skin feeling hydrated. The product receives positive feedback for its quality, softening effects, pleasant smell, and ease of application while also lasting a long time. Opinions on value for money are mixed, with some saying it's worth the price while others find it too expensive for the amount received. The comment on value is what Dawn takes offense to.
9:16Gabi Barkho:I think the word value is so terrible. I'm just going to be honest with you. Now I'm going to get my soapbox. So, okay, Dawn, be positive, be kind. Okay, value is for the eye of the beholder. We as a brand and or as a retailer should not, nor do we, have the right to tell customers what the value is to them. And here's a good example. Our Fango mask is$58. So it's a big jar. Is that value to you the cost? Is the value how you feel when you use it only for five minutes in the morning and you literally, the rest of the day, your skin feels amazing? Is the value that you can't have time to go to a spa or don't have the means to go to a spa, but you can get a treatment at home.
9:59Gabi Barkho:So when we use the word value, we, and these AI summaries are doing it. And some of our third party and our retail partners are doing it. You are conceptually deciding what matters to the consumer. And that I have a problem with.
10:15Nick Lafferty:I think the big question is like, it's so hard to tell whether it's impacting their decision, right?
10:21Gabi Barkho:I mean, I can tell you, I can, we can see it in the sense that we're in a renaissance period. So the brand is in a high brand awareness moment in the last two years. And so we're spending a lot of investment and time on brand awareness. And what we noticed with brand awareness, it's driving really to DTC, but more than Amazon, because 71 % of the Amazon customers are new for us, where it's about 34 to 38 % on DTC. So right there, we are seeing the impact of these reviews on Amazon. We're very fortunate that Fango, which is one of the big products that we sell, has over four-star rating. Actually, all of our top five SKUs on Amazon are really highly ranked and rated.
11:03Gabi Barkho:What people don't know when you look at Amazon is you have to have a certain amount of reviews for Amazon to rank you and support you and initiatives, right? Climb the charts, and also be able to be participating in Amazon promotions and things like that. So So there is a algorithm in the Amazon ecosystem that consumers probably don't know about, but we as brands are always paying attention to. So I think there's a positive in the summary. I will tell you that. I will say that brands, while we cannot control the summary directly, we can't influence the input. So, you know, encouraging reviews, being more specific on how you can review your product, making sure prompting customers to have trade-offs like why if you had a negative review well what was the reason why this happened versus that monitoring your summaries to make sure they make sense and they're not just star ratings i mean all of those things we can do better at as we pay attention to it and we need to be paying attention to it much more often than we have been
12:04Nick Lafferty:it's hard to know for sure how much these generic and impersonal review summaries can affect sales But Borghese is not the only brand noticing how AI, whether it's Amazon's Rufus or Google Gemini or ChatGPT, has made reviews more complicated than just star ratings.
12:26Dawn Hilarczyk:I'm Christina Ko, Senior Editor at Custom Intelligence, Digiday Media's and Modern Retail's in-house agency. In this podcast, Interstitial Story, sponsored by Swap, we speak with Juan Pelerano Rendon, Swap's Chief Marketing Officer, about the rise of agentic commerce, its education phase, and what retailers should keep in mind. I certainly think that there are misconceptions and misunderstandings at this point. And this is a new way for commerce to transact agent to agent or with customers using agents. And that's fundamentally different from just a chatbot making recommendations, right? Or the ability to virtually try on.
13:06Dawn Hilarczyk:This is a fully new and innovative way to transact. And I think we're in a bit of a chicken or egg situation where we don't know if it will be the brands that drive the transition by forcing consumers to adopt, bringing the innovation to the consumers, or if the consumers will start to demand these types of tools and make it so that the brands have to adopt them because they just want to transact in this way and use agents. So it will fundamentally shift in my view this year, where consumers are already using LLMs all the time in terms of how they work, questions that they ask personally and professionally.
13:52Dawn Hilarczyk:So it's only right that the next thing that will come is in terms of commerce. So will consumers be the ones that want that experience from the retailers or will the retailers bring the innovation to those consumers? We're working on the latter, but hope that consumers will also help drive that innovation and change by having that expectation from the brands and retailers to bring these experiences to life. While agentic commerce has been a hot topic, consumers need to understand how the technology benefits them before they can be active proponents. components. Until now, AgenteCommerce, I think it's been a lot of noise and consumers are probably tired of hearing that there's going to be this big change and it's going to make shopping and consuming a lot easier.
14:41Dawn Hilarczyk:But now, once they start to see the utility of AgenteCommerce, they're using LLMs in their daily lives. Once it comes to commerce and how you transact, it's going to be exponential adoption overnight Because they realize you can have guided discovery, guided shopping experience, and really blur the line as close as you can between physical in-store and digital and e-commerce. Where you can have one-to-one experiences with the agentic sites and ask questions, ask for recommendations, virtually try things on, and then transact very simply through voice or text in the way that you would in-store.
15:21Dawn Hilarczyk:So if you're able to blur those lines between online and physical retail, certainly consumers are going to adopt it and want to have that experience more and more. As consumers realize the benefits of agentic commerce, retailers will need to figure out how they can deliver solutions that make sense for them while offering consumers what they're looking for. I think retailers are starting to educate themselves and honestly looking for answers in terms of what's the best way to enable agentic commerce. That's what we're working on right now and have a lot of brands beta testing with us to enable true end to end agentic commerce.
16:00Dawn Hilarczyk:So as these things become more widely available, then brands and retailers, I think, will start to act a lot quicker. tariff with flash, supply chain issues. That's been kind of where everyone's minds have been. I think as the conversation has shifted in Q1 to be more focused on Agenda Commerce more broadly, you're seeing a lot of retailers roll out their own Agenda Commerce solutions that are built in house. So as these things get brought to light more and more, there will be more options for retailers in which they're able to better decide what makes most sense for them. But until retailers feel like they're educated enough on what's out there, I don't think there's going to be a ton of movement in terms of enablement.
16:49Dawn Hilarczyk:Being in the education phase of the industry at large and as consumers adopt it and as brands adopt it and solutions come to market, I think it'll be something that really fundamentally shifts as we go into Q2 and Q3 of this year. You've been listening to Juan Pelerano Rendon, Chief Marketing Officer at Swap, our sponsor on this episode. And now back to the Modern Retail Podcast.
17:20Dawn Hilarczyk:We believe that this shift of moving from traditional search to AI search is really the biggest shift in marketing in the history of the internet.
17:32Nick Lafferty:That's Nick Lafferty. He leads growth marketing at Profound, a tool that helps brands understand, control, and scale how they show up in AI search. Profound works with brands like Walmart and Target, among other Fortune 500 companies.
17:49Dawn Hilarczyk:And really, we believe in two fundamental things right now is that one, every brand on the planet will care how AI talks about their product, brand or service. And two, that every marketing team will use AI and agents to scale their output. So profound is building products for both of those things.
18:13Nick Lafferty:So how exactly does AI know how to talk about products?
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18:18Dawn Hilarczyk:Yeah, my understanding of Amazon and their AI tools is that Rufus, which is their AI chatbot, pulls almost exclusively from Amazon data, which is a bit different than something like Gemini or ChatGPT. So to use Gemini as an example, Gemini will pull from all over the web to cite its answers, look at different review sites. Google itself has different publisher partnerships that gives it license to pull from various parts of the web. And Gemini specifically also, we've learned that it prefers using citations and sources from within Google's own properties. And so, for example, YouTube is the number one most cited source for Gemini overall, which I think is a really interesting question for brands to consider is how much of our content is natively on YouTube.
19:14Dawn Hilarczyk:If you are a retail brand, what percent of your videos on YouTube are owned on your own branded channel versus how many third-party affiliate channels contain content about your product as well. And so if you're looking to optimize for Gemini specifically, then YouTube can be a really interesting place to look at.
19:35Nick Lafferty:Profound's research has found that AI chatbots prioritize what Nick calls reputable sources. Generally, that includes what would show up on the front page of a Google search, the brand's official website, retailers where you can buy products, and maybe recent news coverage from legacy media like the New York Times. But with AI search, that's getting more complicated.
19:59Dawn Hilarczyk:One thing we've learned is that when you look at all of the citations across our entire data set, you can bucket them into a few ways. And so you can bucket them as a owned citation, meaning it's the brand's own website. You can bucket them into earned media, social media, institutional places like Wikipedia, et cetera. And so when we've looked across our whole data set, we found that brands owned content, their owned domain really represents only five to maybe 10 % of total citations across everything that we've analyzed. So what does that mean? It means that 90 % of content, 95 % of content that's cited in Answer Engines is not from a brand's own website.
20:47Dawn Hilarczyk:It's from other places. And so then that makes third-party review websites, other third-party placements on the web, really valuable real estate when it comes to a brand's presence and how ChatGPT talks about them, which I think makes reviews even more important right now.
21:05Nick Lafferty:So brands have to ask, what are the top sources from across the web that are talking about their products? If you're a beauty brand, for example, it's likely to be Reddit, where organic reviews and firsthand accounts are constantly updating the platform. Or a YouTube video, where someone spends five minutes talking about what they got in a shopping hall. Mentions like that are more likely to get picked up by an AI search than a brand's own post on Instagram.
21:34Dawn Hilarczyk:We've put out research that says, hey, Reddit might be a highly cited source across our entire data set. More recently, we found that LinkedIn is a highly cited source for more B2B-focused queries. And that's across everything that we have access to. But what really matters is for a given brand, all of that data depends on the prompts, their personas, the categories, use cases that they're tracking. And so it may be that they, in their own profound accounts, that the top-sided domains aren't any of those I just listed. Maybe it's a small blog, a small fashion blog, or a fashion YouTube channel.
22:14Dawn Hilarczyk:You don't really know what those are until you start tracking. And so that would be step one for me.
22:20Nick Lafferty:The good news is the AI bots know to pull from the most recent and relevant sources. The underlying thing I want to get across there is that answer engines like ChatGPT, they prefer recent content.
22:37Dawn Hilarczyk:And so based on our research, we found that 50 % of citations are from pages that were created or updated in the last 13 weeks. And so I think this can give brands some safety there. a review from 10, 15 years ago, more than likely won't be pulled into a response and they'll prefer recent reviews as well. We see that on Reddit, on places like G2, and also on, you know, like Trustpilot does get cited a lot in AI answers for retail specifically. And so I think if you're a brand listening to this, the thing to do is go identify where your reviews are, what pages do you get reviewed on that often aren't places you control.
23:25Dawn Hilarczyk:So you're more like earned reviews versus the reviews on your own brand, owned.com space. And then go figure out are we happy with this review score or not, even like irrespective of AI search and AEO and all of that. And then if not, I think now more than ever, it makes sense to really go through and prioritize collecting more reviews and finding ways to improve there.
23:50Nick Lafferty:For Borghese, which has been around for decades, it's a struggle to encourage reviews that are as recent and accurate as possible.
23:57Gabi Barkho:We had this example this morning. So I looked at a review last night. It got one star. I flagged it immediately. I was like, oh, my gosh, why got one star from Yapo of a customer? The product I looked at was Fango. And in her comment, she was talking about mascara. And I was like, wait a minute. So I called the team right away and emailed them. And I said, hey, I have a question about this review. She gave one star to Fango, but she's talking about mascara. How do we even know this is our review? And can you give me the information on this? I want to reach out to this customer. So they said, yes, let me find out more information about this.
24:29Gabi Barkho:Because that's also what we're seeing too. It's interesting as the speed of which people are doing things and shopping, we're seeing this also happen where we're getting reviews in the detail that they're writing about a product that they haven't even clicked on when you look at the review. So that's another segment of stuff I'm trying to figure out. But I do reach out to every customer that's below three stars. We're very fortunate. It's not that often because I'm pretty busy and I don't have to do it all the time. We don't hide reviews. I ask questions. I meet with the customers through email or on the phone.
25:01Gabi Barkho:I also meet with customers quarterly in person to understand how they feel about the brand. And then we also do share our views. We use it as content. We use it as social media assets. We use it as PDP assets. We put it onto our pages, we syndicate it. So we're trying to do whatever we can to share the narrative of the products outside of Amazon's Amazon. We're not gonna be able to change that. But in other touch points, which we have business in, we're also trying to share that information and be as authentic as possible. So you see summary on Amazon, but then you can actually see long form or I guess I would say more personalized comments on their other platforms.
25:43Gabi Barkho:We have some major retailers, obviously. We're all in the big players. We do audit their sites every single six months, and they look at all their PDPs, and we do look at their reviews, and we try to understand what's happening there. If we can actually read the reviews and understand, that's fine. If sometimes it's syndicated up and it's synchronized and consolidated only to stars, that's also a challenge because you're living in their ecosystem, right? So you can't really get the full picture unless you can dive into the details. But we do audit their sites. We look at them. We look at their reviews.
26:19Nick Lafferty:One place where Borghese can best control its customer reviews is its direct-to-consumer website. This year, the company's focus is on improving its PDPs, product detail pages. This is where customers see a product's description, prices, and the add-to-cart button. It's important for these to be as accurate and descriptive as possible for AI engines to scrape.
26:44Gabi Barkho:It's called Project PDP 2026. So we're in a massive overhaul in our PDP pages for a lot of reasons. But one of them, the most reasonable is that we need to meet the customer where she lives. And it's the intersection between human and AI. Part of that PDP project is reviews. And so the vendor that we use, you can set up how you choose your reviews to show up on your site, right? So when you go to Borghese.com and you look at our reviews, obviously we use Yoppo and Yoppo AI. And one of the few feature on the Advanced Fango Active Mud Mask, which is our number one SKU. It's been around for over 40 years.
27:21Gabi Barkho:It's definitely the entrance into the brand. One of the things you'll notice in the review summary is it's really categorized by more than just efficacy. It's actually what we want the customer to achieve beyond just the clinical information or the ingredients, right? So for us, it's about how does it look, the mask itself, like understanding even mud, because we are a mud mask. So we also want to differentiate that. How does it feel? How's the scent? And then what's great about that is that the consumer then can review all on this based on experiential and also efficiency. So it gives you one step.
27:56Gabi Barkho:But I think personally, it gives us one step further into understanding the why that they are enjoying this product or may not be enjoying the product too, obviously. I mean, we have 4.7 reviews, so I'm kind of happy that it's doing well and we get high reviews on this product. That's why it's our iconic product. But it's really important to understand more than just what the standard review process would be, that there's an experiential part of this product that we want to also get reviews about.
28:22Nick Lafferty:To encourage reviews with the needed context, Borghese's website prompts customers to answer specific questions about the mud mask, like, does this product feel great? Does it leave their skin feeling clean? How would they rate the scent?
28:38Gabi Barkho:If you look at AI tools on our website at the bottom, it says popular topics, right? So that just aggregates popular topics within the segment of premium beauty we are. So like wrinkles, ingredients, results, quality. Okay. Those are just basically, I would say common topics that traditional customers would be known to review on when they're buying a skincare product. We've taken it even a little bit further in the sense of like the mud, the feel, the scent, It's the emotional connection because that is for us is just getting more clarification on why they're spinning this product, why they love it and what's happening with it.
29:15Gabi Barkho:And both sides, by the way, you know, for example, here's a good example. For a couple of years, we noticed the mud because you dig into it with a jar. It's mud. We were getting some reviews on it feels messy. It's hard to do. It gets in my nails. So we're like, oh my gosh, let's create a mass applicator that you scoop it out with. So this is where reviews are so impactful, not just from bragging about how good your product is or whatever, but really understanding the customer's needs and how you can improve their experience overall.
29:46Nick Lafferty:Dawn says there's only so much companies can do to control how AI describes them to potential customers.
29:53Gabi Barkho:You know, I'm by no means an AI expert. I don't think anybody is. And if you say you're an expert, I don't think that exists because the tool is moving faster than we're learning. I think you're no longer managing the reputation. You need to manage how AI understands your brand.
30:09Nick Lafferty:It's a great way to put it.
30:11Gabi Barkho:No, really. I mean, if you think of it this way, as a leader of a company or a founder, you no longer can manage the reputation, right? You used to be able to like hide reviews and make comments on social, whatever. That is not happening between TikTok, Amazon, social media, social commerce, reviews, AI. You're not managing the reputation. Your goal is to manage how AI understands you and how you show up. And that is what we still can do as brands.
30:45Nick Lafferty:Thank you for listening to this episode of the Modern Retail Podcast, a show by Digiday Media. If you haven't already, please subscribe and head to Apple Podcasts to leave us a review and a rating. Find more of our coverage at modernretail.co and follow us on socials like LinkedIn and Instagram at Modern Retail. You can also follow me at Gabriella Barco, that's B-A-R-K-H-O, on all socials. See you next week.
31:27Thank you.
From the publisher
On this week’s Modern Retail Podcast, senior reporter Gabi Barkho delves into the growing phenomenon of AI-generated review summaries.It’s one of the many ways generative AI is already impacting the way people discover products and shop online. These summaries are not only changing the way chatbots talk about products, they’re also pushing brands and marketers to navigate customer reviews differently.In this episode, Barkho is joined by Dawn Hilarczyk, chief operating officer at Borghese, and Nick Lafferty, who leads growth marketing at Profound. Hilarczyk and Lafferty break down the following:
How AI-generated customer reviews are condensed and spread by AI search engines like Gemini, ChatGPT and Rufus.
Why bot-written summaries decontextualize product descriptions and features.
What brands can do to better control the way their customer reviews show up in summaries.




