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The Opportunist Podcast: MARC ST-ONGE - The Mudman (Episode Summary)
Podcast Overview Title: The Opportunist Host: Sarah James McLaughlin Description: The podcast explores true stories of ordinary individuals who become embroiled in sinister activities through seizing opportunities, revealing the darker potential that exists within everyone.
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Episode Title MARC ST-ONGE Part 1 of 1: The Mudman
Episode Description This episode dives into the viral health product Black Oxygen Organics (BOO), a multi-level marketing (MLM) business selling mud as a supposed health miracle. The discussion centers on its founder Marc St-Onge, the dubious health claims associated with BOO, and the consequences faced by consumers.
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Key Themes and Discussions
Introduction to Black Oxygen Organics
- BOO Products: Marketed as a health supplement, claimed to contain humic acid. Touted benefits included curing long COVID and improving overall health.
- Viral Marketing: The product gained immense popularity on social media platforms, particularly among alternative health communities.
The Man Behind BOO
Marc St-Onge
- Background: Marc St-Onge, known as the "mud man," claimed to have discovered a special bog in Canada rich in fulvic acid, which he marketed as a health miracle.
- Marketing Strategy: Used personal testimonials and influencer endorsements to promote the product, including appearances on popular podcasts.
Health Risks and Consumer Reactions
- Dangerous Ingredients: Investigations revealed that BOO products contained high levels of arsenic and lead, posing health risks to consumers.
- Consumer Testimonials: Initial positive feedback turned to complaints of adverse reactions, including stomach issues and hair loss.
Louise Harris's Journey
- Personal Experience: Louise, a single mother in the UK, sought alternative remedies for her son’s health issues. She became a BOO brand partner after initially trying the product.
- Investment in MLM: Louise invested in a starter pack and quickly became a top seller; however, she began receiving complaints about the product's safety.
Investigations and Ethical Concerns
- Call for Testing: Louise urged the company to conduct proper product testing. Initial resistance from Marc led her to seek independent testing, which confirmed dangerous contaminants.
- Confrontation with Marc St-Onge: After presenting lab results, Louise faced pushback and a cease & desist letter when she questioned the accuracy of the product's claims.
Collaboration with Anti-MLM Activists
- Kira Manchester: An anti-MLM activist who began researching BOO. She emphasized the dangers of MLMs and worked alongside Louise to expose Black Oxygen's misleading practices.
- Public Awareness Campaigns: Together, they reported findings to health authorities and initiated discussions on the ethical implications of MLM health products.
Legal Consequences and Company Shutdown
- Regulatory Actions: The FDA and FTC took action against BOO due to false health claims. A class action lawsuit was filed against the company.
- Company Closure: Black Oxygen ceased operations in late 2021, but Marc St-Onge quickly attempted to capitalize on the market by launching new ventures.
The Cycle of MLMs
- Continuity of Business Practices: After the closure of BOO, similar products emerged under different names, continuing the cycle of questionable health claims and exploitation within the MLM structure.
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Key Takeaways
- Consumer Vigilance: The episode highlights the importance of skepticism towards health products with extraordinary claims, especially those sold through MLM models.
- Impact of COVID-19: The pandemic created a surge in demand for alternative health solutions, allowing BOO to flourish despite its unsafe practices.
- Ethics in Health Marketing: The discussion raises critical ethical questions about the responsibility of sellers and manufacturers in the health supplement industry.
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Conclusion This episode of *The Opportunist* serves as a cautionary tale about the allure of quick health fixes marketed through social media and MLMs. It underscores the need for transparency, testing, and ethical responsibility in health-related products.
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Transcript
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1:42It was called Black Oxygen Organics. We've got over 15 boxes of this stuff. This right here is what health looks like. I've never slept so good. I feel like I have the ability to handle the stress as a mom. Black Oxygen Organics, the full of humic acid on pregnancy, breastfeeding, and then children. Black Oxygen Organics, or BOO for short, was promoted as the missing link to optimal health. Now, if you spend really any amount of time looking up supplements on the internet, you'll find endless products touting long lists of health benefits. In short, the market is saturated. And yet black oxygen organics rose above the noise.
2:26People were drinking it, slathering it all over their bodies, bathing their children in it, even giving it to their pets. There were people claiming that it cured them from long COVID symptoms, rid them of brain fog, gave them endless amounts of energy. I got introduced to this product through my husband. He took it and it totally transformed him within 24 hours. He lost all of his COVID-19 side effects. In August of 2021, it finally made its way to Joe Rogan's podcast. His guest, Phil Demers, a marine mammal trainer turned activist, mentions that he'd been taking it as an anti-inflammatory. In every which way that I fucking drink this stuff twice a day, just a little bit, this powder, it just blasts me off.
3:08I've never felt anything like it. So I'm not attributing. I'm not. Hold on. What is it? It's mud. Mud. You're drinking mud. Yes. I put mud into a drink. I stir whatever drink I take. What's it called? It's called black oxygen. That's right. This miracle product from black oxygen organics was dirt or dirt that you added to water to make mud. It sold for one hundred and a packet, about four and a half ounces. The homepage on their website called it, quote, the most powerful electrolyte in existence. And the man behind it all was Canadian entrepreneur Mark St. Ange, but he called himself the mud man.
3:50Mark said he started Black Oxygen Organics to help people be healthier and happier. Instead, things went very, very wrong. So this isn't something that just was like marginally unsafe. This is something that was unsafe on a scale that is dangerous and caused the FDA to issue a very, very rare urgent safety alert to say, stop taking the product, destroy it if you have it. It's like that is something that it really just doesn't happen. The big question I have is what exactly was in this mud and where did it come from? And how did Mark convince thousands of people to pay him$110 a pop for just a little bit of dirt?
4:40You are listening to The Opportunist. This is Mark St. Ange, the mudman, a story told in one episode. I'm Hannah Smith.
5:00In 2019, Louise Harris was in a desperate situation. It's a situation that I think a lot of people can relate to. Her son, Nathan, was sick with a mysterious illness. Louise is a single mom in the UK, and she watched as her son developed a series of bizarre and concerning symptoms, both physical and mental. His eyes were always really squinty and dark underneath, and he struggled with anger and irritability and lots of things. He had like these little, like, I called them horns on his head. He had these lumps on his head and always had headaches. Nathan was seven years old at the time, and according to Louise, these symptoms came out of nowhere.
5:40And so she took Nathan to a series of doctors over the course of months. So, you know, we went through our medical system here in the UK and we had stool tests and other tests. And then I had an MRI scan for him to check on his head because at one point we did wonder if he had a brain tumor. Fortunately, Nathan did not have a brain tumor, but he was diagnosed with multiple neurodevelopment disorders. And he was diagnosed with severe dyslexia, severe dyspraxia. They said he had ADHD. They said he had pathological demand avoidance. You name it, he had every label under the sun. So I walked away with a lot of labels and that was it really.
6:20And I just kind of felt a bit helpless. Helpless. That is a familiar feeling, probably, to anyone who has struggled with an unknown illness and searched for answers that were not easy to come by. And although at that point Nathan had received multiple diagnoses, Louise felt like she wasn't actually offered any solutions, anything that might help her son. And so she did what many have done before her. She started to look for answers, for solutions outside of doctor's offices. She went online and she started to look into alternative medicine or natural medicine, as she calls it. At one point, she suspected Nathan's gut was the issue.
6:58She made sweeping changes to his diet, including eliminating sugar completely. And then she also got his hair tested for heavy metals. And found out that he had mercury and arsenic poisoning. And then to cut a long story short, when we started getting rid of the heavy metals out of his body and balancing his minerals and helping his gut, he truly like came alive and was a completely different person. Okay, before we get any deeper into the story, I want to stop and acknowledge something. I was hesitant to do this story at all because the alternative health space is a tricky world to talk about.
7:34It's often triggering and polarizing for people. So I'll just say I am not here to prove Louise right or wrong in her approach to helping her child. Instead, what I can tell you is that Louise is an intelligent person who believes in science and is well-meaning. In fact, her motivation for going down this path is an honorable one, the desire to help her child live a better life. And yet, even with all of this, she still found herself in a position where she was selling actual mud to people. And she was drinking it too.
8:15Louise first heard about Black Oxygen Organics on Facebook in early 2021. A lot of people were talking about fulvic acid and the benefits of that. I was seeing a few people post some stuff about fulvic acid. And I did know that there were benefits to fulvic acid. The main selling point for Boo was its high concentration of fulvic acid. Fulvic acid. It's actually naturally occurring in soil and decomposing matter. Farmers have long been adding it to fertilizer. But it's become more recently popular because of its use in skincare products. A 2019 study showed that fulvic acid has anti-inflammatory properties that are beneficial for the skin.
9:00And Louise had heard about this fulvic acid craze. and so she bought some black oxygen and tried it. One of my friends had a really bad candida rash and it really helped with that. Other people had issues with sleep. It really helped us sleep. But I did feel good energy with it when I was taking it. The list of potential health benefits for drinking this mud is so extensive. There were claims of it helping people sleep, but also giving them an energy boost before a workout. There are claims of it increasing heart health, blood pressure, brain function, happiness levels. Customer testimonials were flooding Facebook.
9:40But there were also videos from Mark St. Ange himself explaining how to use the products and what to expect. So you become immune to your environment. So what it does, it actually increases your immune system. And you gotta drink this within the hour to get that energy boost. Mark told his origin story about how he first fell in love with mud. It goes like this. I started as an orthotherapist 30 years ago. So my passion was always inflammation. From what we were able to find, Mark was only ever certified in massage therapy, not orthopedic therapy. But anyway, he says in 1987, he discovered the power of mud and it changed his life.
10:26And one year we went to Germany and we stumbled upon this black mud. And the people there were using it to treat inflammation and pain. So I decided to bring it back into Canada and started using it in my patients. And I was raised in northern Ontario. And for those of you who know that, there's a lot of bogs out there. And this particular mud, this particular product comes from bogs, or a better slang word would be a swamp. Mark goes on to say that he realized that he may be able to source the same therapeutic mud full of fulvic acid right there in Canada. And so he goes out and he looks for it.
11:07So I researched 63 bogs from northern Ontario to Rivière-de-Jaloux in Quebec. And I stumbled upon this one here in Moose Creek, Ontario. And it has the highest level of this very unique ingredient that we're all talking about called fulvic acid. Mark claimed that he had discovered a way to remove the fulvic acid from the mud that he had collected from this particular wonderful bog, and the result was a rich natural healing resource. Pretty quickly after she tried the product, Louise became a brand partner. That's right. Black Oxygen Organics had a network marketing model, more commonly known as multi-level marketing, or MLM.
11:50To become a brand partner with Boo, you had to buy one of their starter packs. which range from around$600 to just over$1 ,800. Louise already had a large network of people in the alternative health space, and she brought on a few friends who also had large networks of people, and very quickly they were selling this mud like hotcakes. Louise told me that she was making a profit pretty much immediately, which, to be clear, is unusual for an MLM. Usually only about 1 % of sellers actually make money. But Louise was in that 1%. And then it just spiraled. You know, it got big really, really quick.
12:32Within, what, eight months, maybe between eight and 10 months, maybe. You know, it was going up to like, you know, from 200 ,000, 500 ,000, a million, two million a month, you know, and it just was getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. Hundreds of thousands of people were joining Boo Facebook groups and then buying the product. One woman wrote that she made$21 ,000 in bonuses in her first five weeks of selling Black Oxygen. Because Louise was a top seller for Black Oxygen, she was often on video calls with Mark St. And his business partner, Carlo Garibaldi. She said in the beginning, they were nice and helpful.
13:10But that is when everything was going well. A few months in, Louise started to get complaints from her customers. There were complaints of strange stomach pains and fatigue. One woman said her hair was falling out. Customers were not only having bad reactions, she was also hearing reports that the product was inconsistent from package to package. Louise brought all of this up to the founder and CEO of Black Oxygen, Mark St. Ange, and it did not go over well. I said people are reporting having reactions, and they also don't believe it's the same product that they've received in the past. So he said to me, basically, during this meeting that we had, he goes, well, we've had no one with reactions.
13:53I said, that's not true, Mark. I've emailed you recently in the last month with, you know, a certain amount of people that are claiming to have reactions and you're not taking it seriously. And he was like, yeah, because you'll say you're blaming the product on the reactions. He goes, no one's died. I was like, wow, is this really how you deal with this?
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16:34Louise suggested that Black Oxygen obtain an updated Certificate of Analysis, or COA, which would entail sending product samples to a lab to be tested. She said at minimum, the company should know what was in the product that they were selling and they should know if it was safe to consume. You know, when are we going to get a more up to date certificate of analysis? And he was just like, I'm not paying, I'm not paying$10 ,000 to get another one done. It's the same, it's the same raw product. Like, I'm not, I'm not going to do that. And at that point, I was just like, you know, you're a company that's growing.
17:10If people are asking for it, you just do what is needed. Mark didn't want to pay to have the product tested, or at least that was the excuse he gave. Meanwhile, his claims about the health benefits of black oxygen continued to expand. And at one point, it almost sounds like he's saying it is the fountain of youth. So we're actually reducing the aging process. We can stay younger, longer. And if we push the science in nanotechnology, we can actually stop the aging process. That's in the future. But we can definitely see a change when we start taking it on a regular basis. And the distributors followed suit.
17:52There was a huge focus on how Boo could help with COVID-19. One distributor posted this on Instagram. Quote, David tested positive for COVID-19 in April 2021 and was experiencing lingering side effects. Him and his wife discovered black oxygen and within 24 hours felt like himself. hashtag black oxygen organics. But Louise wouldn't let up about testing the products. And finally, Mark agreed to have a new certificate of analysis done. He told Louise he'd done it. It had come back and the results were fine. The product was safe. But when she asked to see those results, he refused. So they said that they'd done an up to date one, but then they didn't share the results.
18:39So that then got me thinking, well, hang on a minute. You've done one and you're not prepared to share the results. So you can imagine the amount of people then going, but why? Why would they not share it? Finally, Louise thought, if Mark won't test the product, I'll just do it myself. And I found two or three labs that could test various batches. And we sent the product off ourselves to be tested. And when the results came back, there were nothing like what the company was stating the product is.
19:12The tests showed that if people were taking the product in the amount suggested on the packaging, which was 2.5 grams and 16 ounces of water, they were ingesting dangerous levels of arsenic and lead. Louise was horrified. And she shared her findings with Mark and his business partner, Carlo. She expected them to be horrified as well and to take immediate action to warn people. But that's not what happened. Yeah, I just said, like, you need to be, you need to be contacting everyone. and you need to put a comms out and say, look, we've had new COAs done. You know, now the seven size needs to be this and you need to recall all these packs and this is what you need to have put on them.
19:51And so I gave that recommendation. Instead, Mark insisted that Louise's lab results were not reliable. He said the product was safe. He said his whole thing was about helping people. I just think I saw something really different when, you know, we were telling him, you know, the situation of what was actually going on, of how defensive he got. It was like, if that's your true mission, you'd be really curious to understand and not be defensive, you know? Suddenly, Louise had to sit back and wonder if Mark was intentionally misleading people. Was he hiding something? Was anything that he had told her true?
20:31Like, for instance, the warehouse that he said was manufacturing the product. Louise was in the UK. She'd never been to the warehouse, which was in Canada, but she knew the address of it because it was on the packaging. So she got on Google Maps and she found these buildings right next to the warehouse and started calling them. And she finally got a hold of someone who worked right next door to this warehouse. And then he said, oh, that warehouse has been delinquent for years. I was like, sorry. And he was like, I'll drive around there tomorrow if you want and take a picture. So he drove around there and took a picture and it was literally a building that was not used, but boarded up.
21:19If the mud wasn't being packaged at the warehouse, where was it being packaged? Where was it even coming from? Louise was now looking at black oxygen with a totally different lens, a critical one. She wanted answers. And she wasn't the only one. She was about to link up with someone who typically she wouldn't have that much in common with. Someone who had also been researching black oxygen organics. An anti-MLM activist named Kira Manchester. With Boo, it became like really commonplace. The reps were just making really blatant health claims. I mean, lists that have every ailment you can think of.
21:59This magic mud would cure it. And it was just post after post after post, videos, live streams. And I was just like, what is this insanity? Kira started speaking out online against MLMs around 2018. She had a family member join the supplement company Herbal Life, and she watched as this family member spent tons of money and time going deeper and deeper into that pyramid scheme. As a note, Herbal Life ended up paying$200 million in a settlement after the FTC charged them with deceiving their distributors about earning potential. And ever since Kira witnessed her family members suffer at the hands of that MLM, she had passionately tried to expose MLMs and educate people.
22:4599.7 % of people who are in MLMs either make nothing at all or lose money. And it destroys families. It destroys marriages. It destroys friendships. You know, if other family relationships, you know, it bankrupts people. When people come out, they have so much guilt and shame. that, you know, people have PTSD, anxiety, depression, like it's psychologically messing these people up. In the beginning, Kira posted under the pseudonym Mambi, keeping her identity secret for two years. She was afraid of the backlash she would get by speaking out against MLMs. And she did get backlash. But she also built a community and started to post under her real name in 2020.
23:30She now runs multiple pages on Facebook warning people about predatory companies, And she is always on the watch for new MLMs that pop up. And she remembers seeing people post about this mud, about black oxygen organics. And she immediately noticed red flags about the company. We had started joking about it, like they're selling mud, you know, and we didn't take it that seriously. But as it started gaining in popularity, I was like, you know, maybe we should like make a group. And then we were kind of joking about like group names. That's how we came up with Boo is Woo. But it got to the point I was like, you know what, I think I'm going to make it because this is a problem.
24:04because they're not slowing down. They're just getting more and more people. And this is more and more people making these health claims. And they're going to kill somebody at this point because somebody is going to go off their medication. They're, you know, or they already distrust doctors. And now they're going to take dirt, you know, bog mug, and use that instead of the medicine that they should be on. Kira said typically MLMs in the health and wellness space are very careful about making health claims. They're often operating in private Facebook groups, But not Black Oxygen Organics, or Boo.
24:37Boo was right there, out in the open, and Kira was shocked at the health claims that she was seeing posted online. One of the big things with Boo was that reps believed that the dirt was removing parasites from their body. Which is kind of funny thinking that eating dirt is removing parasites when, you know, like dirt could potentially be giving you parasites. Kira began researching the founder and CEO, Mark St. Ange. So one really interesting thing about Mark is that we basically found it impossible to find any reference at all to him before like 1994. And that's kind of around when he started his first MLM company.
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25:19But before that, he's a ghost. Kira's right. It is very hard to find any personal information about Mark St. Ange before 1994. That's the year he officially started selling mud, primarily as a bath product to treat arthritis with a company called Golden Moor. So here's the thing. It seems pretty clear that Mark had been trying to sell various mud products since 1994, but it had never really taken off. That is, until COVID happened. And suddenly there were large groups of people looking for alternative solutions that they thought would prevent or cure COVID. And Marc St. Onge leaned into that. He claimed that black oxygen organics was this magical solution.
26:11And it worked. People were buying it in enormous quantities. There are videos of people putting their babies in bathtubs filled with this mud water. People were using it for foot baths. People were putting it in their smoothies. The list goes on and on. Kira told me it was just the perfect storm of so many factors that made Boo wildly popular. But you just had that like perfect combination with Boo where these two worlds like really collided. You had this like really deep alternative medicine woo with multi-level marketing. And both can be argued as being a cult. So it was like a double cult kind of happening.
26:51But that market of people was a lot larger because of COVID. And we started having a lot of, you know, a lot more people started getting involved in the whole science denialism movement and seeking alternative treatments. You know, because obviously it was COVID was scary for everybody, you know. But I want to get back to the bog. This bog in Castleman, it was the foundation of Mark St. Anja's whole company, his whole origin story, this idea that he searched high and low, roaming rural Canada, looking for the perfect mineral-rich bog. Well, Kira, along with several people working with her, tracked down the location of that bog.
27:34Which was Moose Creek. It's also known as Castleman Bog in Ontario, Canada. And I'm sure if you look it up on Google Maps right now, you can still see that it is located right next to a landfill. So, I mean, at some points, the bog is like, I think, within less than a thousand feet. So it's pretty close. And it's owned, the land, is owned by the company that owns the landfill. Castleman Bog was actually owned by a waste management company in close proximity to a landfill. Was this magic mud that was supposed to heal people coming from, well, garbage?
28:33Mark had always been clear about where black oxygen's mud came from. Moose Creek or Castleman Bog in Ontario. He stated it over and over. He said he had searched 63 bogs before finding this special bog. In one interview, he actually corrected the reporter who stated the number of bogs that he searched incorrectly. You said that you visited 36 bogs ranging from Timmins to Capus Casey? Riviere du Lou in Quebec. Actually, it was 63 bogs. Looking for the perfect mud. Perfect mud, exactly. And it was a challenge because areas where marshes or bogs are, it's very secluded. So there's areas where there's huge amounts of this particular mud, but it's very, very hard to access it.
29:20But then Kira and the Boo is Woo Facebook group discovered that the Moose Creek bog was actually located near a landfill and they sounded alarm bells. They started posting all over Facebook about this landfill. And then suddenly, Mark's story about the bog changed. They changed it once they found that we were talking about it being next to a landfill. Oh, no, that's not where we get it from. Louise Harris and Kira Manchester believe very different things. Louise advocates for natural medicine, and she wasn't originally put off by Black Oxygen's multi-level marketing approach. Kira, on the other hand, is firmly against any and all MLMs, and she tends to be incredibly skeptical of the alternative health space in general.
30:12But at this point in time, both women were wondering the same thing. They had both separately started to suspect that Marc St. Ange was running a scam, and a very dangerous one. So Louise reached out to Kira about this. I knew she'd done a lot of research. And I was just like, I don't even think it's from this bog. Like, I don't even think they're telling the truth about the bog. I was like, can you give me all the information that you found out? Louise was starting to wonder if the entire bog story was made up. Was Mark getting the mud from somewhere else? Louise had been trying to get answers from Mark, but unsuccessfully.
30:50She said on one call, another seller named Adam questioned Mark about the bog directly. You know, you need to just tell us the truth of where this bog is and what it is. And, you know, is it this or is it that? Because the company had sent out a video saying it was somewhere different. And so like we all went on a call straight away going, hang on a minute, you've just put out a video saying it's a different location. So what is it? Louise and the other top reps were not given a clear answer. Yeah, it was so the story just kept changing and it was just like, wow, like you can't trust this. Finally, Louise emailed Mark directly.
31:28For clarity, do all Black Ocean products come from Moose Creek Bog and only Moose Creek Bog? There have been quite a lot of back and forth regarding this bog question. So hence asking the question, I'd really appreciate your responses. So this was sent like early September. I still had no response. I then emailed them seven days later and said, I'm trying to get these answers. I'd appreciate your reply. Could someone respond today? They didn't reply. Black Oxygen sent Louise a cease and desist letter after this, and Louise knew it was time for her to quit. She had a lot to lose. She was a single mom.
32:04And she said at this time she was making something around$25 ,000 a month selling Boo. But she couldn't ethically continue selling a product she knew was harming people. So she walked away. She left Black Oxygen in September of 2021. Shortly after that, Kira and the Boo is Woo members filed reports to the FDA and FTC, who started to look into black oxygen's health claims. News outlets picked up the story as well, including Rachel Maddow. NBC also arranged for its own expert test of the dirt at a trace element at the trace element research lab at Ohio State. That result also found dangerous levels of lead and arsenic in this dirt that people are eating.
32:50and smearing all over their bodies and bathing it. Then Health Canada ordered a recall of all boo products in September 2021, and the FDA seized the remaining products in the U.S. Trying to course correct, Black Oxygen's vice president told sellers to change their language in their Facebook groups, erasing the idea that boo was a miracle cure. Many of those groups went private. They also came out with new labeling, rebranding black oxygen as a cosmetic product not to be ingested. But it didn't matter. Word was out about the dangers of boo. In November of 2021, a class action lawsuit was filed against black oxygen organics.
33:38Black oxygen, in my view, was targeting a population that was trying to not do the bare minimum for their health, but was trying to do the absolute maximum. So black oxygen is like$100 a bag. I mean, it's obscenely expensive. I mean, you're paying$100 for something that's basically like the size of a Skittles bag. I spoke with Matt Weatherington about the class action suit. He's the attorney who filed it. Very early on, black oxygen organics was making dubious medical claims that were so egregious that it got the attention of regulators. It's fraud. I mean, there's no other way to describe how they were able to represent the product having the characteristics that they said it had.
34:19It didn't. All evidence seems to point to them never having a proper level of testing for any of the products. Matt told me that the same network of people who sold black oxygen organics banded together to help him with the class action lawsuit. The black oxygen sellers, and it was predominantly women, and so I don't mean that pejorative, but the women who were selling black oxygen, they just flooded us with information. They were the most effective and hardest working group of people that I've had the pleasure of having as clients. And it really has made me realize that there is an entire, a large population of people who have been deprived from entering traditional job markets, either because they are choosing to pursue a family over a career initially, or it's because of where they're living and don't have access to traditional jobs.
35:15But these are very, very smart, bright people. People were harmed by ingesting Black Oxygen's product because they were drinking and bathing in mud with high levels of lead and arsenic. Sellers also lost money because in the end, when Black Oxygen could see the writing on the wall, they refused to pay people what they owed them. They knew that the FDA was investigating. They knew the FTC was investigating. they kind of knew the game was up. And what they did was they announced a series of sales to basically pre-purchase product at a discount, encouraged people to defer receiving their compensation in order to buy more product at a discount and or claiming that they had website problems that prevented them from paying out commissions for people who didn't want to buy the discounted product.
36:08They then said, oops, our bank accounts have all been frozen. Our credit card has been turned off and there's no money for anybody. Mark claimed that their credit card processor backed out when thousands of customers asked for a refund. But that's not entirely true. Matt Weatherington told me that there had been issues with online payments going as far back as January 2021 because Black Oxygen was in the habit of unlawfully charging people's credit cards, which had led to tons of transaction disputes. We do know that they had a back office business decision to, you know, pervasively charge people's cards in a way that at least the customers viewed as improper.
36:53And so they were on a holding pattern with their credit card processors and bounced around to a couple and continued getting in trouble for the same thing. One of those credit card processing companies brought a$1 million lawsuit against Mark St. Ange. Matt Weatherington told me that to this day, it still hasn't been proven where the mud actually came from. But there are theories. I think it's pretty clear at this point that they were either, A, sourcing it just by pulling up a truck or a trailer to a bog nearby and just scooping shovels of it out. Or B, that they were acquiring industrial fertilizer that was nonetheless fulvic but was intended to be used for fertilization purposes.
37:46So you're saying that during the whole time that black oxygen was producing this product, supposedly, they were likely actually just buying fertilizer and selling it? Right. But the fertilizer companies probably were getting it from that Castleman bog and other nearby places. Matt told me that this theory that the bog was being poisoned by this landfill wasn't true. What's far more likely is that Mark St. Ange was getting the mud from a fertilizer company, which, to be clear, I'm talking about fertilizer, like for plants or farming, not food grade. On November 17th, 2021, the FTC sent Mark a cease and desist letter for Black Oxygen's claims about treating COVID.
38:36A day before Thanksgiving in 2021, Mark sent out a letter explaining that black oxygen was closing down. Once black oxygen shuttered, Mark sold their email list and information about the mud source to another MLM called Longevity, which was then rebranded as Midnight Minerals. This is how it goes, like a game of whack-a-mole. A business gets shut down, a warning is issued by the FDA, lawsuits are filed, and then a new business with pretty much the same operating model and the same product pops up. Earlier this year, in June of 2023, a new company emerged that is suspiciously similar to black oxygen.
39:21It's called Lavari. The CEO is John Altershuler. And yet in the launch video, it was announced that the company would sell a product called a fulvic powder, and it would be formulated by none other than Marc St. Ange. This time, it's being sold for$89.99 a packet.
39:48This episode was produced by me, Hannah Smith, along with Natalie Gregory.
40:07Thank you.
40:36Thank you.
From the publisher
In early 2021, a new product went viral in health and wellness spaces on Facebook. Black Oxygen Organics (or BOO) was an MLM selling what was touted as the "miracle cure." What was it? It was mud. Actual mud that people were eating, drinking, bathing in and giving to their babies and pets. Many claimed it cured their COVID symptoms. But this product was not what it claimed to be. What was it actually doing to people? The man behind it all was Marc St-Onge and he watched as millions of orders flooded in.
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