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The Opportunist Podcast - Episode 9: Tim Ballard E9: The Lawsuit
Podcast Overview Title: The Opportunist Host: Sarah James McLaughlin Description: The podcast shares true stories of ordinary individuals who succumb to sinister impulses, exploring how normalcy can mask darker potentials.
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Episode Overview Episode Title: Tim Ballard E9: The Lawsuit Episode Description: This episode examines new allegations against Tim Ballard, including a federal lawsuit accusing him of exploiting his position at Operation Underground Railroad (O.U.R.) to traffic women.
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Content Summary
Warning
- The episode contains discussions of sexual assault; listener discretion is advised.
Context
- Tim Ballard, former head of O.U.R., has faced serious allegations of sexual misconduct and trafficking. Following his departure from O.U.R., the organization has rebranded as OUR Rescue and distanced itself from Ballard.
Key Developments
- Federal Civil Lawsuit:
- A new lawsuit has been filed with six plaintiffs, including familiar names like Brie Ryder and Celeste Borys, alleging human trafficking by Ballard and associates under the guise of anti-trafficking efforts.
- The lawsuit claims Ballard exploited his influence, grooming women for sexual manipulation and engaging in acts that could be classified as trafficking.
Core Allegations
- Grooming and Manipulation:
- Former participants in the O.U.R. operations describe how they were manipulated emotionally and subjected to boundary-crossing behaviors, aligning with grooming tactics used by predators.
- The lawsuit's language indicates a systematic abuse of power where women were coerced into sexual situations under false pretenses related to the organization's mission.
The Couple's Ruse
- A controversial tactic known as the couple’s ruse was used, where operatives pretended to be in romantic relationships to gain trust. This tactic has since been criticized as fundamentally flawed and unethical.
Testimonies
- The narrative includes personal accounts from plaintiffs, detailing inappropriate interactions with Ballard, including sexual advances and coercive situations that escalated to assault.
Impact on O.U.R. and Future
- Rebranding and Relocation:
- O.U.R. has relocated from Salt Lake City to Minneapolis, emphasizing a fresh start without Ballard’s controversial legacy.
- New leadership under CEO Tammy Lee aims to redefine the organization’s mission and operational ethics.
Public Response and Legal Strategy
- Ballard's legal team criticizes the lawsuit, framing it as a desperate attempt to revive unfounded claims.
- The episode underscores the importance of accountability and suggests that societal structures must evolve to better protect vulnerable populations.
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Key Takeaways
- Predator Characteristics:
- Recognizing that predators often appear as reputable community members, the narrative urges a reevaluation of how society perceives individuals in power.
- Legal and Ethical Ramifications:
- The episode highlights the complexities of navigating allegations against high-profile figures within organizations claiming to combat trafficking.
- Call for Transparency:
- There is a strong necessity for transparency in non-profit operations, especially those involving vulnerable demographics.
- Civic Responsibility:
- The episode encourages listeners to demand accountability in organizations, advocate for ethical practices, and support systemic reforms addressing root causes of trafficking.
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Conclusion The episode wraps with a reflection on the broader implications of the Tim Ballard story, emphasizing the need for vigilance against abuses of power and the importance of a victim-centered approach in addressing human trafficking. The series will continue to explore these themes in the next episode, focusing on the behind-the-scenes dynamics of the podcast production and the organization’s ongoing challenges.
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Next Episode Teaser
- The next episode will feature a roundtable discussion with the producers, unpacking the behind-the-scenes insights from the podcast and addressing the refusal of OUR Rescue's new CEO, Tammy Lee, to participate in an interview.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00A warning. This episode contains discussion of sexual assault that may be disturbing. Listener discretion is advised. As a note, we reached out to Tim Ballard's attorney to request an interview. Our requests went unanswered. And one last thing. After Tim Ballard left the anti-trafficking organization OUR in 2023, it was renamed OUR Rescue. Its new leaders say they do not condone Tim Ballard's alleged actions while part of the old organization. For the last eight episodes, we've laid out for you the Tim Ballard story. The rise, the fall, the friends in high places who amplified his message, and in a number of ways validated it too.
0:47We've also told you about the troubling allegations of sexual misconduct, the troubling behavior described by people close to OUR. And as we've discovered, these issues aren't exclusively about Tim Ballard. They're also about OUR, the organization he built. Given all the issues swirling around Ballard, it's not surprising OUR Rescue has tried to distance itself from him. But I don't mean that they just replaced him as CEO and publicly cut ties with him. I mean they are really putting some distance between OUR Rescue and Tim Ballard. The new leadership recently went so far as announcing that OUR Rescue is moving.
1:31And I don't mean a new office building in another part of Utah. They are going states away, from their home in Salt Lake City to Minneapolis, Minnesota, more than 1 ,200 miles away. And this isn't even the biggest news. Look, I totally get it if the Tim Ballard story is tough to keep track of. Probably seems like a barrage of lawsuits and countersuits. But one of the most intriguing parts of the Tim Ballard saga is the latest twist in all of the ongoing legal drama. It's the accusation that Ballard and his associates are themselves guilty of human trafficking. Honestly, that accusation wasn't really a shock for me.
2:14When we kicked off this show back in August, we actually talked about it during our very first interview with Brie Ryder, one of the women who filed. Hearing her story, what she was pressured into after reading the other women's statements, well, it all sounded to me a whole lot like trafficking. And it does sound like the only trafficking you saw was Tim Ballard actually trafficking you and other women. Yeah, so that's an incredibly important point, right? So I was asked by someone And recently what I thought was kind of a funny question that really missed the point. Do I think Tim Ballard sexually harassed me?
2:57And I almost laughed because, well, yes, but that sexual harassment was part of a grooming process for trafficking. Right. So we were groomed and we were trafficked. And that is the only trafficking that I saw while working with OUR.
3:19This is The Opportunist, an original podcast from Podcast One. You're listening to the ninth episode in our series on Tim Ballard and Operation Underground Railroad. I'm your host, Sarah James McLaughlin.
3:35While our series is coming to a close, just to clarify, the legal fight isn't anywhere near over. In fact, it's just heating up. On October 22nd, 2024, a federal court in Utah had a new case on its calendar. There were six plaintiffs. Those of you who have listened to the show so far will remember Brie Ryder, Celeste Borys, Mary Hall, Sasha Hightower, Krista Casey, and Keira Lynch. You've heard four of these brave women tell their story. This time, as a united front, they're taking Tim Ballard to federal court.
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5:45There's a federal statute that prohibits that, and that claim is being made in federal court, which is obviously a different allegation than what we've seen in the state courts. He's made this reputation on being the preeminent anti-trafficking advocate in the country. And this goes to the heart of that by alleging that he actually moved these women across state lines in a plot to exploit them. Tim Ballard's name, his reputation, and the entire infrastructure of OUR was built on the back of eliminating human trafficking. They were synonymous with each other. And because they were synonymous, Ballard was working to build a brand, much the same way Adam Neumann was building the brand WeWork and Mike Lindell with MyPillow, John McAfee and the McAfee antivirus software.
6:35But this new lawsuit alleges that Ballard and his associates, Matt Cooper and Michael Perinta, as well as OUR and a Wyoming non-profit, MS Williams, they were all part of the alleged trafficking. And at the root of the claims? One of the key elements of the work that Ballard outlined to volunteers. Something he was open, clear, and more than willing to talk about. The couple's ruse. We've talked about it a lot on this show. Here's Tim Ballard and an exhibit in the federal lawsuit banging that drum again. complaining that those of us outside the world of human trafficking don't understand what his work entails, that we don't get it.
7:21I know the couple's ruse might sound weird to some people. It doesn't fit anywhere into the white handbook that says how to, you know, how to keep the kingdom orderly. There's no section on how to rescue children from sex traffickers. Let's go back to Brie Ryder. She sued Tim Ballard in late 2023 after sustaining multiple injuries at an OUR training session in Draper, Utah. That suit has since been dismissed because of a liability waiver she signed. But she is one of the plaintiffs in this federal lawsuit, and this is her from one of our previous episodes, describing how Tim Ballard first explained the couple's ruse to her.
8:02And there's this really special thing that we do on my team that's really, really crucial to this work. And we're saving kids with this. And what wouldn't you do, you know, to save a child? And that is the couples ruse. And, you know, with this couples ruse, we pair you up with someone who you pretend to be in a relationship with. And it has to be extremely believable. You know, so there's real touching, real sexual interactions. This underscores Ballard's insistence that this thing is part of the larger, more noble effort. Like, yeah, it's uncomfortable, but it's this necessary evil for the mission.
8:41But it's also a direct violation of the NDA that all the women had to sign, which clearly says the limitations of the couple's ruse is, quote, not engaging in kissing and touching or exposing of private parts. Here's Robert Gerke again. The federal lawsuit is interesting in that it kind of goes to the core of who Tim is, right? Because he made his reputation on being the premier anti-trafficking face in the United States. And now this is making the direct allegation that he moved these women across state lines. The complaint filed says, quote, Under the guise of philanthropic operations aimed at rescuing women and children from human trafficking, Ballard used his position of influence and trust to exploit individuals.
9:31Ballard specifically targeted women for sex, labor, and other services in violation of federal anti-trafficking laws. It also goes on to allege what it outlines as manipulation of emotions, normalizing of boundary-crossing behaviors, and outright gaslighting. We need to reframe our understanding of what a predator actually looks like. That's Suzette Rasmussen. She's one of the attorneys representing the plaintiffs in the federal lawsuit. The stereotype of a scary stranger lurking in a dark alley is not the reality in most cases. Predators can be polished, clean-cut individuals who are active and respected members of the community.
10:13They hide behind an image that deflects suspicion, which makes it harder for victims to be believed and for others to see the truth. Second, we need to better understand the methods that predators use, such as grooming tactics and be able to recognize the signs of abuse and trauma responses in the survivors. So grooming is often subtle, manipulative, and calculated, and it's designed to disarm victims and those around them. The courage it takes for these women to come forward, often against tremendous pressure, is really extraordinary. I think it's worth repeating that we have asked attorneys representing the defense for interviews, and they haven't responded.
11:00But Ballard's attorney, Mark Eisenhut, did give a statement to the Salt Lake Tribune. He said, quote, After a nearly unbroken string of defeats in every state court that has heard their cases, the plaintiffs are engaging in desperate forum shopping with the same tired allegations which one judge after another has called inconsistent and unsupported by facts. I also want to note here that Brie Ryder's lawsuit specifically was not thrown out because of unsupported facts. It was thrown out because the judge said the waiver Brie Ryder had signed gave OUR immunity from being held liable. A sort of document loophole, a retroactive consent.
11:38Here's Brie talking about that loophole. So essentially, the judge claimed that that liability waiver that was signed after my injury, specifically for my trip to Thailand with OUR, could be backdated and cover all of my previous history with OUR and all of my future. Right. So essentially, the judge has has said no matter how OUR harms you, unless there's a criminal investigation, which we know is not hasn't been effective. OUR can now essentially has permission to harm you. And you can't bring a lawsuit because you have signed away liability for any past or future harms. Not necessarily a bold legal declaration of OUR's innocence, but it still cleared OUR in that one case.
12:31As far as a federal lawsuit is concerned, buried in those pages are text messages between some of the plaintiffs and Ballard. And if you read these text messages, one thing is clear. They are painfully awkward. It's Ballard and women whose names aren't revealed, but they sound like middle schoolers. Skirting around their words, too timid to say what they really mean. The intention is obvious, but the delivery? Really cringey. Here's an example. We all get chocolate shakes at the airport when it's all over. Ha ha ha ha. Okay, done. You thought I was going to say something else, didn't you? Yes.
13:12I thought you were going to forbid the touching of some body part. LOL, no. It's not my body, remember? In that case, you should request I do stuff you like to you. You need to tell me what that is. Not here. Maybe on the airplane, if no one else can hear. The conversation is a back and forth with Ballard testing boundaries, just pushing to see how far his sexual innuendos can get. Saying prayers makes you feel sexy? LOL, that's not what I meant. We were actually saying prayers. I know. Just having fun with prayer sex. But I do not like being scared. I do like romantic. What does romantic mean to you?
14:03Hmm. Let me think about that answer and tell you tomorrow. Me too. I told you I'm a demisexual. Yes, you did. Which is why I can't even eggplant emoji, even with the hottest sex workers. Seriously, my job is loony tunes. He sends explicit photos and even asks the woman to describe how she looks after getting waxed. It's unsettling and it's really, really creepy. But it's not just creepy, it's wildly inappropriate for several reasons. Keep in mind these women are his subordinates, which makes the power dynamic impossible to ignore. Added to the fact that Ballard is a married man and claims to be a devout Mormon, someone expected to uphold strict moral standards.
14:56This kind of behavior should never fly in a professional setting. In fact, where was HR? Protecting the company or protecting Ballard? How is this dynamic ever allowed to happen? In addition to the text messages, there are harrowing accounts and allegations of assault. These include reports of groping, touching inner thighs, and engaging in what's described as simulated sex. The accusations then escalate to unsimulated and non-consensual acts. Teak, for example, Celeste Borys, who alleges that while in Ecuador, Tim Ballard took her to a massage parlor where she was sexually assaulted by a masseuse who digitally penetrated her.
15:41Boris claims that after this assault, she was coerced into taking boudoir photos of herself to send to an escort in Mexico. Those photos were also used to create a profile in London. She further alleges that Ballard sexually assaulted her at his Linden, Utah office shortly before their departure for an operation in Mexico. Some of these allegations were initially obscured by the justification of the couple's ruse, but they far exceeded any pretense of this so-called tactic. These claims point to the act of taking individuals from one place to another for the purposes of sexual activity. And that constitutes sex trafficking.
16:20Tim Ballard claimed that all of this was vital to the work he, his operators, and the larger OUR organization was doing. When this lawsuit emerged, it reminded me of something Brie Ryder said during our conversation, something that all of the women have been very open about all along. We were groomed and we were trafficked, and that is the only trafficking that I saw while working with OUR. After the break, navigating a lawsuit and distancing their identity from Tim Ballard could spell a challenging future for the newly rebranded OUR Rescue. So what does life look like for the organization in a post-Ballard era?
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19:08The Tim Ballard story, in many ways, is the OUR story. The two are synonymous for a number of reasons. and OER was a fundraising dynamo. Despite the proceed with caution label they have from non-profit watchdog Charity Navigator, in the fiscal year 2023, they'd raised nearly$44 million in contributions and had$69 million in assets. They also received a score of 80 % and a three-star rating out of four. Now, for context, some non-profits you might know, Goodwill and Ronald McDonald House, Charity Navigator gives them scores of 100 % and four-star ratings. But while OUR has since separated themselves from Ballard and renamed themselves to OUR Rescue, they've also taken another step, a bolder step, to distance themselves from Ballard.
20:00Like, literally. Because OUR Rescue has moved, they've packed up their offices in Salt Lake City and in October of 2024 announced their move east to Minneapolis, Minnesota. Whether that move changes anything legally for them, it's not really clear. But it's all part of a refresh or maybe even a rebrand. They also have appointed a new CEO. Tammy Lee, a former corporate communications professional and biotech CEO, is their new leader. yeah i mean there it's definitely in our interest to rebrand themselves you know our rescue the relocation to minneapolis is sort of breaking ties with the past the new board the new executive director all of these things are sort of ways that they're trying to get a clean slate but i also think that they're in some ways indelibly tied to Tim because he was such a prominent fixture.
21:04OUR's decision to move to a new state is nothing more than an attempt to rebrand itself and escape accountability for its lies, its misconduct, the abuses and harms. This nonprofit has misled its donors, and it has also deeply betrayed its own employees and contractors. Rather than facing the consequences of its actions, OUR is trying to wipe the slate clean, and they're trying to ignore the devastating harm that they've caused. In the interest of being completely transparent, we did ask OUR Rescue and its new CEO, Tammy Lee, for an interview. We had conversations with their communications team too, and it appeared like we'd be getting that interview.
21:52And then they decided against it. We wanted to give them the opportunity to tell us a couple of things. What they're doing now and the future of the workplace culture, leadership, and their efforts moving forward in human trafficking. But we also wanted to ask about the past and if they were actually paying for Tim Ballard's defense for all of these claims. And that's when the request was declined. Their PR team wrote in that email, due to timing and schedules for the remainder of the year, Tammy is not able to participate in an interview. We'll delve more into the behind-the-scenes conversations with OUR Rescue in the next episode with our producers.
22:36Though she wouldn't speak with us, Tammy Lee did speak with KUTV News in Salt Lake City about a couple of things. Keep in mind, this is before they announced their intention to move to Minneapolis. This is an OUR that will lead with integrity and we will become, again, the moral compass for work against anti-trafficking. And the team at Salt Lake City is phenomenal. The people around the world are amazing people that are deeply committed to the cause. And what amazes me through all of these dark days that they've faced with media coverage and other allegations, they have stayed true to the mission and they haven't let that dark day cast a shadow on the great work that they're doing.
23:18You know, your predecessor used this tactic called the couple's ruse. Is that something that you will forbid being used in any operation? Yeah, you know, to be honest, I hadn't even heard what that term was before I started doing my due diligence on this. And of course, we are going to do the right things in the right way. And we are going to lead with a new moral compass for OUR. And we will become a North Star of not only working to combat trafficking, but also to work on providing comprehensive care for survivors. So this is a whole new day for OUR. So I'm hearing you correct and saying couples ruse is no more.
23:58No more. Here's Suzette Rasmussen again. This organization is directly responsible for multiple women being manipulated, trafficked, and sexually abused. It's an unthinkable betrayal of the very mission that it claims to uphold. OUR's behavior is truly a blatant affront to justice. And I hope that the citizens of Minnesota see through the facade and that they choose on their own whether they want to support this type of an organization that prioritizes protecting its image over protecting the vulnerable. At some point, OUR knew about Tim Ballard's alleged behavior. The relatively small circle of people at the head of the organization were present for some of the claims we outlined with Brie Ryder in one of our previous episodes.
24:51What's interesting is that despite the allegations, the lawsuits, the countersuits, and the various bad press that comes with all of this, it appears that Ballard, now severed from OUR, is still trying to red herring his way out of taking any responsibility. Millions of kids are enslaved and the United States is driving the market with their policies. That's really the headline every day until we fix that problem. Then we can worry about our other tribal red, white, red, blue issues, whatever. Who's sleeping with who and who's doing what. I think it's notable that in the last few months, especially if you follow him on social media, he's he's back out there kind of doing a lot of the same self-promotion stuff.
25:36You know, the rescue that he said he participated in in Mexico recently, that sort of thing. We're still down here, literally on the port of entry at the border with Mexico. Thank you to CBP, HSI. We were able to do the operation. I can't give you all the details quite yet. They're going to come out over the next couple of weeks, but it's going to be mind-blowing stuff. He's kind of just, he's going back to a lot of the original fate. He went underground for a period of time, right? We didn't really see much of him and his anti-trafficking activities had apparently or seemed to have hit pause.
26:12But yeah, now he's kind of going back to a lot of that stuff and coming out of that, coming out of that hole and, you know, out there promoting himself again. Is the promotion and visibility a genuine attempt to continue his work in anti-trafficking? Or is it more self-serving to win some favor with the new Trump administration and work in an official government capacity? It's hard to say. After the break, I'll talk about all of this with our series executive producer Connor Powell and producer Abby Newhouse.
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28:08And we've got producers Connor Powell and Abby Newhouse, as well as Andrew Iden, who has worked on this script and a couple others on this series. And we're all here to talk about where we are today with this and basically the trafficking allegations that stem from Tim's actions. Yeah, I think this is sort of the heart of where the Tim Ballard story is today, right? In my mind, it sort of started off as bad conduct within an organization, allegations of rape and sexual misconduct. But that's not where we're at today. We're at a very different place. We're talking about a federal lawsuit with human trafficking for a guy who made his name fighting human trafficking.
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28:56Mm hmm. And I think there's a couple of levels to this, because not only was Tim Ballard really profiting off of sexual trafficking in other ways, but he was perpetrating sexual trafficking with the women that he was bringing on these missions. And that's really what this federal lawsuit is focusing on. that's the allegation and we do have to be careful this is an allegation it's not been proven in court but they're looking at everything we have discussed in the last nine episodes and where we're at today you know i think there is a very strong case to be made that tim ballard as the head of our was trafficking women internationally and abusing them sexually assaulting them and then putting them in positions that could be categorized as trafficking.
29:49And that's where we are today on this court case. He's been kicked out of OUR. He's moved on from that organization. But the thing that he is most in trouble for right now is this trafficking allegation. Yeah, I think it's interesting because as we were listening to several of the women involved in this lawsuit, just during their stories, it was like something just felt like in my mind, I was like, something's not connecting here. What is this missing piece? What's going on? And as I kept listening, I just had the thought that Sarah pointed out earlier in this episode that Tim Ballard is the one doing the trafficking.
30:27And I'm wondering if listeners are feeling the same. You get that spark of recognition, hearing what's going on, what he's doing. He's bringing these women across these lines, assaulting them, raping them. And all under this guise, you know, this grooming guise of like protecting other people. It just feels obviously very hypocritical and very obvious looking back in hindsight. I don't know how you feel about it, but I feel like trafficking is sort of in the forefront for women. Like if you stop at a restroom, like a rest stop area, you'll go into the women's room and there are posters about like, what to do if you see someone who has the symbol for I'm being sexually trafficked.
31:10Here's the number to call. And here's what you do to make sure that that person's safe. I mean, you just, you see it. And just public areas, like you can't not think about it. It's always there. And so I don't know if that's maybe why this was just a little more obvious that like what he was fighting against was more of a projection, you know, like I'm going to fight this because if you see this hand, you don't see this hand over here. It's interesting that you guys had this sort of tingling back in August when we were doing these interviews with the women, because I was very focused on the sexual assault, the sort of mismanagement of OUR, the claims of assault, but not so much trafficking.
32:01And maybe it's because my mind goes to rape allegations, assault allegations immediately without that larger context of the trafficking, where it was being done, what was being done that led up to the assault, to the sexual misconduct and things like that. But in hindsight now, in December, when we're recording this, I can see where all these other things come in that are part of that assault that make it into trafficking, the grooming, the taking people out of their home setting and into another country. Right. I think to Sarah's point earlier, of just kind of seeing these examples of trafficking everywhere and these warnings against it.
32:50that's a that's a big thing that I feel like kind of episode six touched on right where like all of a sudden during COVID during the pandemic there was kind of these rumors and these conspiracy theories about like wayfair and and human trafficking and things like that and so it's on people's minds a lot more because it's not only on these signs in the airport or whatever it's also on our phones and in our social media and it's just everywhere and I think Tim I don't know it's interesting to look back at this whole story, because to me, it just fits so clearly the bill of the opportunist here at this podcast, right?
33:26You just see this guy who like had this idea. And maybe at the very beginning, the couple's ruse was actually based on the actual, you know, example of couple's ruse that people use, which is mostly just like acting like you're a couple at a party and it doesn't go any farther than that. But you can see how he just like this slight turn like he's he starts convincing himself that these things are correct and moving farther into what the couple's ruse could look like into these sexual assault and rapes and stuff it's it's almost as if he like groomed himself in a way you know what i mean like you can just you start thinking all the next steps just start making sense because he's like watching himself because of all these videos on on instagram where he's like pleading his case but it does kind of sound like he's trying to convince himself and as soon as he's convinced it's a good video yeah yeah it's also it's also like the age-old uh kind of adage of like if you say something enough it will start to become true or if you tell a lie enough it'll start to become true and so i imagine you know we've gone through all of the different social media stuff and like all the videos of tim talking about all of these things i would venture to guess that on some level there are points along the line that he truly believes what he's saying is righteous and noble and true.
34:46Yeah. Because he said it so many times. Yeah, definitely. Well, and because he is who he is. So if I'm Tim Ballard and I say it, it must be true. I think this also gets to a larger question about whether or not an organization, an anti-trafficking organization, should sort of exist in parallel to the traditional justice, police security system, right? Because there are already problematic issues with law enforcement in the way that they conduct and deal with sexual assault and things like that. It's a lot of men. Traditionally, historically, the legal system has not always treated sexual assault trafficking in the way that they do today or are improving and hopefully improving.
35:32But it also, like when you have an organization like OUR under Tim Ballard. Is there an actual need for this type of almost paramilitary? And I know they're not fully paramilitary, but you see these guys running around with body armor and pretending to sort of be undercover spies and going and infiltrating. I mean, they are paramilitary in a certain sense. And you can almost see where that can just run off the rails and cause problems? And is it actually needed in the fight against human trafficking? I think that is something that's brought up now. The new OUR and some of these other organizations would say, we're absolutely definitely needed, but we just aren't needed with the leadership that we had under Tim Ballard.
36:19Yeah, there should be some kind of oversight. That's the biggest problem. If you're out there operating, it's completely laissez-faire. You can do whatever you want, there's going to be corruption because that's how corruption starts. You don't even go into it thinking that you're going to twist this into something bad and it will happen. You just, you have to have a set of rules and someone that makes sure that you follow them when you're dealing with something so complex and so heinous. And I do think that Tim, it kind of started out with this idea that like the government's not doing enough or like the military is not doing enough.
36:57Like there's always that kind of narrative that he is sending out to his followers. When we talked with Lindsay Moran, you know, she kind of brought up that like these processes do just take time because we're doing like really deep investigations to figure out what's really going on. But when there's not really a deep investigation or any like oversight, like we talked about, it just ends up being like Connor said, this paramilitary sting operation that's just like actually kind of harmful well and also you had millions of dollars rolling in and they sort of had to keep doing these operations without stopping because people who are donating money they want to see results they want to see that you're doing something because they want more money to come to come in and continue and so as i mean there's millions of dollars are flowing into the organization.
37:49No one's stopping and thinking, what are we doing? Is this the best way to attack this problem? What are the leadership problems and stuff like that? And several of the women brought up that they had these discussions with other people at OUR under Tim Ballard who said, we understand there's some problems here and we're trying to fix them. But nobody ever seemed to fix it, whether it's because Tim was OUR and sort of the totality of their organization, or if it's because they're just too focused on the next operation because they had to keep getting the money coming in. It was like all of those donations were treated like a slush fund.
38:24Nothing was like allocated towards anything that you could have transparency with. And I don't know if any of you guys have ever been involved in the establishment of like a 501c3 or a charity, but it's incredibly difficult and it's incredibly intensive with paperwork and you know financial just all that stuff and there's a reason for that and the reason for that is because of places like the OUR that Tim Ballard was building allegedly because it was skirting all it was kind of sidestepping all of these things it's like no that's why we have to do it this way yeah and it was that way it was that way with the structure and it was also that way with the operations like you know I was reading something just the other day about a completely separate story of an undercover government operation and the labor intensive protocol that everyone had to go through in order to be part of this operation and meanwhile people like tim ballad were just like snatching people off the street and saying yeah sure go do this undercover work it's like that's not how any of this works yeah he just uh had an idea of making something making it a spectacle i think kind of like we touched on with with he you know at the very beginning.
39:38He was trying to make it a TV show. I feel like it's one of those short videos you'll see on like TikTok or Instagram where someone is making a big deal out of helping someone who's homeless, but they're filming it like the entire time. It doesn't feel altruistic. So to start it out like a reality television series sounds like in the same vein for me. So I mean, it just felt phony from the very beginning. It's all about optics. Yeah, yeah. I feel like we could see it. And we're just hoping that by making this series and diving a little bit deeper into what he's doing that other people will see it too.
40:14So now that we've covered the destructive wake of Operation Underground Railroad and the man behind the mask, we're left at a crossroads. This series culminated into a cautionary tale. When we want so badly to do good, we can be blind to the evil that promises the way. Tim Ballard's charisma inspired hope and nobility in others, but it also camouflaged the dirty underbelly of his true intentions and his quest for power over others. And this raises the question, how do we save and protect those who cannot protect themselves while also ensuring that those in power are held accountable? In 2025, the new presidential administration inherits a nation divided not just politically, but also in its approach to human trafficking.
41:05With issues stemming from private organizations operating without transparency, the administration faces a significant challenge, but also a unique opportunity. Will the new administration step up to the challenge and commit to better oversight to ensure ethical practices in private organizations? reinvesting in government programs for social services, better education, and law enforcement training for dealing with sex trafficking and aftercare, and possibly tackling the global nature of this issue by better collaboration with international partners. But it's not all on the new administration to clean up this catastrophe.
41:43We, as a society, need to step up and do better. The entire approach needs to be reframed into a victim-centered attitude. demand survivor advocacy and rehabilitation over public relations campaigns. We as citizens have power to demand data-driven interventions over sensationalized rescues, demand community empowerment to address the root causes of trafficking, like poverty, lack of education, and systemic inequality, support legislation that protects vulnerable populations, demand accountability of those who abuse their positions of power, and continue to educate yourself to resist false narratives.
42:25Let's let Tim Ballard serve as a warning to others that we as a society will not tolerate this type of heinous behavior, that we will fight for the truth, justice, and we will protect our most vulnerable and prosecute our most vile.
42:47on the next episode the opportunist tim ballard unmasking a hero we talk to the producers in a roundtable conversation and find out what happened behind the scenes of the podcast and why OUR's new ceo tammy lee decided not to speak with us
43:05thank you for tuning in to the opportunist this episode was written by andrew idon produced by Abbey Newhouse and executive produced by Connor Powell. Until next time.
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