A Special Report: The Little Boy Oprah Couldn't Forget

2 Dec 2025 · 41 min · 19 chapters

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In short

Oprah’s “vault” special report on child slavery in Ghana’s Lake Volta fishing industry, following former child slave “Mark” (from a New York Times photo) and other rescued boys, plus how rescues and reunions work.

Guest backgrounds

Lisa Ling is an Oprah Show correspondent who travels to Ghana to investigate and film rescues. Richard Danziger is head of counter-trafficking for the International Organization for Migration (IOM). Pam Cope is a Midwestern mother from Neosho, Missouri, who read the New York Times story and helped fund Mark’s rescue.

Key claims

Children as young as four are trafficked by parents for as little as $20; fishing work can be 14 hours/day, beatings, and one meal/day. IOM/Ghana negotiate releases and provide tools/alternatives; 93% of cases return children to families after rehabilitation.

Notable examples

“Napoleon” sold nine children; “Neva” learned English after rescue; Mark and “Magnificent Seven” were released; one rescue attempt rescued 21 of 25 listed children; reunions can be emotionally difficult (some kids refuse parents).

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The Haunting Story of Mark

0:52 to 1:46

Oprah shares her emotional connection to a story about a child slave named Mark.

“You are listening to The Oprah Winfrey Show, the podcast.”

The Reality of Child Slavery in Ghana

1:46 to 2:58

Lisa Ling discusses the shocking statistics and realities of child slavery in Ghana.

“So we sent Oprah show correspondent Lisa Ling to find this little boy.”

Confronting Parents Who Sell Their Children

2:58 to 5:06

A visit to a village reveals the heartbreaking reasons parents sell their children.

“I traveled more than 7 ,000 miles to find Mark and also to investigate why this is happening.”

The Journey of Rescued Children

5:06 to 6:20

Lisa highlights the experiences of children like Neva who were rescued from slavery.

“Before he sent you, do you think your father knew how bad the conditions were?”

Investigating the Fishermen's Role

6:20 to 7:40

The podcast explores the complicity of fishermen in perpetuating child slavery.

“far away from their homes to work as slaves.”

The Daily Struggles of Child Laborers

7:40 to 10:30

Reports on the daily lives and hardships faced by children forced into labor.

“We've been traveling for about four hours, and the rest of the road is really, really bumpy and so dusty we can barely see in front of us.”

Rescue Missions and Cultural Challenges

10:30 to 13:16

Discussion on the challenges faced during rescue missions and cultural perceptions.

“In the pitch dark, four boys with no shoes and no life preservers make their way onto the lake.”

Rescue Mission Insights

14:01 to 17:42

Learn about the challenges and emotional moments during child rescues in Ghana.

“I want to be clear that we don't want to demonize the fishermen, because many of the fishermen were fishing children themselves.”

Reuniting with Families

17:42 to 21:30

Explore the complex emotions during the reunification of rescued children with their families.

“Well, the fisherman was promising to rescue them, and I'm very happy to report that last weekend, the two boys were rescued as well.”

Parent Perspectives on Selling Children

21:30 to 23:34

Understand the difficult choices parents face when selling their children into labor.

“Quao, who hasn't seen his mother in three years, refuses to go to her.”
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Importance of Education for Rescued Children

23:34 to 25:27

Discover the challenges faced by rescued children and the importance of education in their recovery.

“That's what most people, I think, you know, don't understand about a lot of African countries, including South Africa, is that children have to pay to go to school.”

A Mother's Journey to Rescue

25:27 to 28:00

Follow Pam Cope's inspirational journey to rescue children from slavery in Ghana.

“The difference is, you know, I was criticized for saying this about our country, but the difference is we're accustomed to it and accustomed to it for free.”

The Rescue of the Magnificent Seven

28:00 to 28:38

Learn about the successful rescue mission of seven children from exploitation.

“After tough negotiations, Mark's rescue was underway.”

Pam's Haunting Experience

28:39 to 29:44

Pam shares her emotional journey after seeing a photo of Mark, prompting her to act.

“They're just little survivors that have been out on their own, and they still have strength left to rebuild their life.”

The Urge to Act

29:45 to 31:08

Pam discusses her determination to rescue Mark and the obstacles she faced.

“Well, you know, I know a lot of it is going on and have been to Africa many, many, many times.”

Mark's Life in Ghana

31:09 to 33:16

A report on Mark's life after being rescued and adapting to a new environment.

“I'm getting these rebound, you know, emails.”

Pam's Personal Tragedy

33:17 to 34:16

Pam reflects on her own tragedy that fueled her desire to help others.

“Randy stayed behind with Van and Tatum, who are seven and eight.”

Standing Ovation for Change

34:17 to 35:09

Oprah honors Pam for her impactful work and encourages others to make a difference.

“What is amazing is, is that you are just a normal person, like everybody else reading that paper, and that you are the one person.”

Understanding Child Trafficking

35:10 to 37:30

Richard Danziger explains the complexities of child trafficking and how to help.

“Richard Danziger is head of counter-trafficking with the IOM.”
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Transcript

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0:00Through 25 seasons, 4 ,561 episodes, I believe the Oprah Winfrey Show is one of the greatest classrooms in the world. I really never thought of it that way. The aha moments, the breakthroughs, the LOLs, the connections, the occasional ugly cry. I miss him so terribly. I miss him every single minute. The moments that mattered. The eye-opening life lessons. Never allow them to take you somewhere else. I'm bringing them back. It's time to open the vault. I've personally chosen these classic episodes to share with you again. Every single person you ever will meet shares that common desire. They want to know, do you see me?

0:47Do you hear me? Does what I say mean anything to you? You are listening to The Oprah Winfrey Show, the podcast. One of my favorite things to do every single Sunday is, before I do anything, come down in my pajamas, get the New York Times. About three months ago on a Sunday, I was in my pajamas, and I saw this front page story about a six-year-old child slave. His name is Mark. And I was haunted by this little boy's face since reading his story. I couldn't stop thinking about him. I couldn't stop thinking about the look in his eyes. The New York Times had a full-page picture of that little boy.

1:34And I called up my friends that day and said, have you seen the New York Times? Did you see the story about that little boy? I wanted to know how he was and what happened to him. I wanted to find him. So we sent Oprah show correspondent Lisa Ling to find this little boy. I couldn't forget.

1:56When I first got the assignment to go find Mark, I was shocked to learn the statistics about child slavery in Ghana. Children as young as four years old being sold by their own parents. Hi, Oprah. I'm in the West African country of Ghana, which is about the size of Oregon. And it's estimated that one in four children here work as child laborers. One of the most dangerous jobs for children here is working on the fishing boats. This is no life for a child.

2:32Seven days a week, 14 hours a day, thousands of children are ordered to risk their lives by paddling long distances, diving in freezing cold waters, and pulling up heavy nets.

2:48Many of them endure severe beatings and often survive on just one meal a day.

2:57It is such back-breaking labor, their bodies are severely overdeveloped for their young age. I traveled more than 7 ,000 miles to find Mark and also to investigate why this is happening. My guide would be Eric Piazza from the International Organization for Migration, or IOM. First, he took us to a small village to help us understand the problem. And so in that remote village, Lisa meets a father who talks candidly about selling his children. Right now they're assembling some of the parents, and then we can ask them why they sent their kids off in the first place. 59-year-old Napoleon is the father of 22 children.

3:43A lot of Americans will watch this and say, why do they keep having kids? When it doesn't come to me early. And now you are aware, I hope. And now I'm aware. Okay. With 22 kids, Napoleon had to figure out a way to support his family. When a fisherman offered to pay about$20 per child, Napoleon agreed to sell nine of them. I was the third man of the 22. Okay. Did they speak English? Yeah, never. Just two years ago, Napoleon's 14-year-old son never was working as a slave. How did the fishermen treat you in the village? They treated me very badly. Like, giving me food, giving me no clothes, and where to sleep is very difficult.

4:31Did the fishermen ever hurt you or beat you? Yes. How often?

4:48Most of these children are sent not knowing how to swim. You saw some of your friends drown? Yes. How many drowned? There's more than five. Really? Yeah. Neva and his eight brothers and sisters were rescued. Now, with help from the IOM, Napoleon can better support his family. Before he sent you, do you think your father knew how bad the conditions were? No. No? I don't think so. I believed Never and started to see this issue was much more complicated than parents just selling off their children. Never gave me hope. It's so incredible to see what can happen when a kid is given a chance. Look at Neva, he didn't speak a word of English two years ago, and now he's back here, and his English is awesome.

5:38Then we got an idea. We want to take you so you can show us, this is where I had to work, and this is where I slept. Could you help us with that? Yes. I'm surprised that he would agree to go back. I was surprised, too. If you think about it, he agreed to take us to the place where he was held captive. He was abused and he was forced to work. But there's, there's this, there was this wisdom about Never that was so impressive and he really wanted. He became very committed to taking us. So he's 14 as we see him on the tape. That's right. How old was he when he was sold for$20? He was 9 or 10 years old and he worked as a slave for two and a half years.

6:19So for years, fishermen have taken thousands of children far away from their homes to work as slaves. It's a brutal journey, and Lisa shows us what that journey is like. Since 2002, Eric's team has rescued over 600 fishing children from slavery in Ghana. They're strategizing because they're planning to rescue up to 25 children from the fishing villages. We're going to move from here up here, right up to Krati, here. Now, most of the children that you're trying to rescue are from what area? They are from central region here. So many of the children are trafficked all the way, hundreds of miles up to the north.

6:58Yeah, to this part of the country. It's probably hard for their parents to ever find them, huh? Yeah, it's very hard. Tomorrow, we set off on an actual rescue mission. It's nearly 6 o 'clock in the morning, and we are headed to the Lake Volta region. It's where the majority of child laborers are forced to live and work. Meanwhile, Neva is adapting to our lives quite well. He is eager to learn everything, including the UFC fight song.

7:30It's hard to believe he was living the life of a slave just two years ago. If we're lucky, we'll make it to the villages in ten hours. Let's just say I've had more comfortable car rides. We've been traveling for about four hours, and the rest of the road is really, really bumpy and so dusty we can barely see in front of us. So, you probably don't want to watch this, otherwise you might get sick. So right now we're waiting to board this ferry because we're going to these rather remote islands that don't have any roads, and that's where the fishermen and the boys base themselves. But even before we reach the islands, we see some of the boys.

8:13They work while their master watches. OK. OK. It's so interesting to watch the difference in demeanor between these kids who are just playing around and being silly and those kids who are working on the boat. Eric was just telling me that these are definitely trafficked kids. He said, look at them. They're not talking and they're completely expressionless. I was very sorry for them. The master is sitting and the small boy says, I pardon you. It's not good. Is that what you had to do? Yes. It was so hard to watch these little people working. It really seemed like they'd lost their childhood. We board the ferry and reach the island by night.

8:59Tomorrow, we take Neva back to the lake where he was a slave. And so what did they do when they saw Never? It was really interesting to watch them because we had bought Never new clothes, and here he was interacting with this foreign television crew. And I could see that they were looking at him with a little bit of envy and certainly curiosity. Despite the fact that, you know, there were all these foreigners, we were there, they were just transfixed by Never. Because he was well-dressed and he was eating potatoes and he was eating And these are kids that eat typically one meal a day. Yeah. And what are they eating?

9:37Are they eating that sort of that grain, granular mixture? Yeah, the corn, corn meal. Mealy meal, they call it. Mealy meal. I'm sure that many of you watching have also felt the same way. You read a story in the newspaper, and even after you put that paper down or you see a story on the news, you still can't stop thinking about the person. Has that happened to you? That's exactly what happened to me with this little boy. And we're going to find out what happened to Mark in a few moments, because I called up Lisa Ling to say, can you go find this boy? But first, Lisa and 14-year-old Never, a former slave, take us to the lake to show us what life is like for these children, like Mark, sold into labor by their own parents for as little as$20.

10:18Lisa says she was even astounded. Lake Volta region, 4 a.m. It's crazy. This happens seven days a week, and these boys are essentially on the lake by 4.30 not having eaten any breakfast. In the pitch dark, four boys with no shoes and no life preservers make their way onto the lake. It's cold. The only reason we can see them is because of our camera light. I'm in utter disbelief that these little children venture out onto the lake in the black of night. Turn that light off for a second. I mean, how can they say anything to do it when it's this dark? I don't think they do when it's this dark. But the reality is they always do.

11:03It's the beginning of another long and difficult day.

11:11Did you have to go out in the dark every single day? Yeah, yeah. And sometimes would you have to dive? Yeah. At night? How could you see anything? It is no good, Akka. It is dangerous. Every time this boy goes underwater, I fear he might get stuck in the nets and not come back up.

11:37Most adults would find this job physically demanding, yet I saw children, some as young as four, working, even while sick. It's just after 6 a.m. and the sun is just now starting to come up. The boys have been on the lake since it was pitch black. and I was just thinking about what it might be like to have a little seven-year-old boy out there. Even for us in this bigger boat, it was pretty challenging to navigate. While the boys work on the lake, Eric educates villagers on the dangers of child fishing. Today, with Nevers' help, he spreads his simple yet powerful message. Let the fishing children go.

12:19Let the fishing children go. This fisherman agrees to release two children. When we return to the lake, we see the young boys we followed earlier in the day. Look at how hard they're paddling. Where's the master? The master is sleeping at home. The master's sleeping at home, huh? Something happens. Away from their master, the boys candidly share what their lives are like. They say that they eat once a day at 7 in the morning, and they don't eat until 7 the next day. And they're routinely beaten. and they say their master never even comes to fish with him. All four boys are part of a group Eric plans to rescue, but there's been a tragic development.

12:59So all of these boys think they're going to be rescued, but you've just learned otherwise? Wow. So how old are the boys? They range in age. So most of the boys are sold very young, between four and seven or eight, but they stay with the fishermen sometimes for years. In fact, the eldest of those four boys had been away from his family for six years. And keep in mind that these... they get no education. So, you know... So how was never... How did Never manage to speak English? He learned English after he was rescued. It had only been two years... Since he was rescued. ...and his English was so incredible.

13:37And that's what really inspired me, that if you give a child a chance, give them the opportunity to be educated, they...they learned so quickly. Yeah, yeah. So Lisa and her team are allowed to bring cameras along on a rescue mission. What were the fishermen saying? That they know that you're there to film them, and they have these children as slaves. So what are they saying when they see you with the crew? Right. Well, it's really important. I want to be clear that we don't want to demonize the fishermen, because many of the fishermen were fishing children themselves. This has been going on in Ghana for decades.

14:12It's really part of the culture. And so very often Eric and the team from the IOM and the Ghanaian government, they go and they say, you know, you need to stop buying these children and forcing them to work. And they say, well, we used to work as fishing children ourselves. And Eric says, that doesn't make it right. So the challenge really is it's changing the culture. So Lisa and her team are allowed to bring cameras along on a rescue mission. Watch what happens as they attempt to set these children free. In his hand, Eric holds the list of 25 children the International Organization for Migration is hoping to rescue.

14:49Part of the rescue includes convincing the fishermen to let the kids go. And when these guys come into the communities, they're often very persuasive. But here's a fisherman here who apparently has four kids, and he's refusing to let them go.

15:08It's a frustrating process, but we start having better luck. So their masters have allowed these four children to go home. I can only imagine what's going through their minds right now. It's an emotional scene watching these children who were rescued just minutes ago. I'm watching this little boy who eats one meal a day, like a meager meal first thing in the morning and then doesn't eat until the next morning. and he has, since we've been sitting here, inhaled so much food and he just won't stop eating. I was cleaning up everyone's plate, but they won't give me their plate back because they still want to eat more.

15:48Later in the day, we find out we're only able to rescue two of the four boys we'd met that morning. It's after 5 p.m. and the two eldest boys are still out on the lake pulling nets in.

16:05Already this one's smiling a lot. He wasn't smiling at all earlier. It's a familiar scene for Never. I asked him to take me back to the day when he was rescued. And what was that day like for you? Yeah. I feel very happy. They gave us food. They gave us clothes, new clothes. What do you think is going on in their minds right now? I think they were very happy. Yeah, I do it. I've been there, mine. That much is obvious. I just kept thinking, you are finally free. After convincing many of the fishermen to let them go, the kids are loaded onto this bus. Suddenly, they are children again. We are young, I see.

16:50We are young, I see. We are young, I see. We head back to Accra, Ghana's capital. OK, so on the list there were 25 kids, and IOM rescued 21 of the 25. The ferry to freedom. The thing that I just can't stop thinking about is that these kids haven't seen their parents in four or five years. And when they're reunited, many of them probably won't even recognize their parents or remember what they look like at all. What was that like for you? It was incredible. Yeah. It was interesting to watch the brotherhood and the relationships that they established with each other. Because the four boys that we had been following, none of them were biological siblings.

17:36But when you ask them who this is, who is this? They say, my brother. My brother, yeah. It's the only family they have. So what happened to the two boys who were left behind? Well, the fisherman was promising to rescue them, and I'm very happy to report that last weekend, the two boys were rescued as well. Wow.

17:56I really believe that a lot of the fishermen really do want to release the boys. Once they are educated about how... really what it does to the children, they are inclined to do it. But their business depends on it. They know because they've been, some of them have been, so they know what it's done to them. But how do you convince them? Just through money? Well, as you just saw, the process... the rescue process involves a lot of negotiation. The fishermen have to be persuaded to let the boys go. And initially... And how are they persuaded? With money? Well, the IOM and the government say that they will provide the fishermen with new tools to make the fishing process easier so they don't have to use child labor.

18:36So initially, very often, they'll say, well, we'll let...we will let the boys go. But then when the IOM guys get there, they say, well, this will really hurt my business, so maybe we'll let a couple of them go. Okay.

18:52Rescuing children from slavery is just the beginning. Now the emotional and difficult part will be the reunion with the people who sold them. Their own parents sold them. We head to Ghana's central region where many of the fishing children come from. So we're gonna look for his mom now. Yeah. Okay. Let's go try and find her. Let's go try and find her. With limited phone access, we just start asking around. One of the things that Eric does as soon as he rescues a kid is takes a photograph of them. So he goes around to the villages and says, does this look like your child? Because many of them probably don't even recognize their kid anymore.

19:30Once they're rescued, you can't exactly drop a kid back off into their villages because the parents are the very ones who gave the children up in the first place. So they have to be educated about the fact that sending kids to these villages is wrong. We finally tracked down 14-year-old Kakra's mom. So Eric, what's the situation with Kakarot's parents? The mother was saying that Kakarot's father was sick, very sick, at the point of dying. He needs some money to take the father to the hospital. So while he was looking for money, the fisherman came to town that he wanted the children to go and work with him.

20:05This woman sold three of her children after her husband died, including Kwao, when he was only four years old. She says she had no other way to support her family. So how much money did she get for sending her three children out?

20:37After learning about the dangerous conditions, I could see this mother was embarrassed and full of regret. While Eric meets with parents, the rescued children are placed in this rehabilitation center where they're taken care of. I'm so happy. Are these the same children we met the other day? Yeah. Yes? Look at this one. Are you having enough to eat? Do you have enough bananas? Just two days after the rescue, I'm overwhelmed by the change I see in them. If you're happy and you do, and you're ready to watch the show, if you're happy and you do, stop your feet. Some of their parents have come to see them, and keep in mind that some of these kids haven't seen their parents in years.

21:21So in a minute, their parents are going to be brought into the classroom, and we'll see what happens. When they first see their parents, they seem excited, but suddenly things change. Quao, who hasn't seen his mother in three years, refuses to go to her. He's angry. It's such a strange process, because these kids, when they first see the parent, they just light up, and then when they have a moment to process, I think a lot of them realize that they don't really know their parent anymore. I mean, Kakra hasn't seen his parents for over three years. Um, Kuo, the little boy, hasn't seen his mother for three years, and she obviously, you know, harbors some resentment toward her.

22:05Um, you know, these are the people who gave these kids up. My trip ends on a bittersweet note, but I find comfort in knowing that, like never, these children can have a better tomorrow. So, the parents' reactions to their children, you said that they were embarrassed, or...? Yeah, I truly don't believe that the parents had any idea of how their child was living. They are promised not only money, but the fishermen promise that they'll take care of the kids. And as you saw, the journey, it takes more than 10 hours on very bumpy roads to get there. We're talking about people who don't have a lot of resources.

22:42So they can't exactly, you know, take a road trip and go visit their kids, and communication is very limited. So they really just don't know. And I hear parents sometimes sell their children more than once. They do. It doesn't happen as often, but certainly even after the process of rehabilitation, they will sometimes send the kids back. The kids will stay in the center for two months where they will get basic education. They'll learn about... That's how they never learn to speak English. That's right. Hygiene and nutrition and so on. And then they'll be reunited with their parents. And the parents will also be educated as well.

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23:18How do you break the cycle? I can be educated, but I still don't have any money. And so in order to get money to take care of the rest of my family and the children, I sell one of my children. Well, I have to say that the government of Ghana is really making valiant efforts at trying to stop this. They are waiving school fees and they're offering incentives for parents to not sell their kids off. That's what most people, I think, you know, don't understand about a lot of African countries, including South Africa, is that children have to pay to go to school. That's right. But I just... One little story about little Quao.

23:54He was sold at four, and he was the one who was crying. You know, these kids, when they're rescued, they're rescued with just the clothes on their backs, and most of them don't even have shoes on. So our producer, Alex, had this disposable toothbrush in his backpack that he gave to Quao. And Quao put it in his pocket, and he just... I get emotional when I even think about it. He just kept looking down at it and touching it, because it was the only possession that he probably had ever had. And at a certain point, I even said to my crew, you know, when we go and see these kids tomorrow, I want all of us to just hug at least one child, because these are children who probably haven't had any kind of affection or physical contact in years.

24:36Right. That's what I did when we did Christmas Kindness. And what a difference it makes to feel that. And I'm telling you, they just light up. If nobody's ever hugged you, nobody ever said, I love you. I think you're beautiful. I love your smile." It makes a huge difference. It's incredible. And when we went into the classroom, you know, when you take a big television camera in and, you know, a bunch of foreigners, usually kids in classes, at least in America, they get very distracted and they want to know what's going on. And they kind of ham it up for the cameras. These kids, I'm telling you, they were laser-focused on what the teacher was teaching.

25:10Yeah. Because they want to learn. Why? Because they want to learn. They are so hungry to learn because they've never had a day of school in their lives. And it was really interesting to see 17-year-olds in the same classroom as 6-year-olds, because they all have to learn the basics, H-A-T, you know? Yeah. One plus one. The difference is, you know, I was criticized for saying this about our country, but the difference is we're accustomed to it and accustomed to it for free. We have education. There's no child in America who can't go to school. And if you don't go to school in this country, somebody comes looking for you.

25:42Unlike a lot of other developing countries, Ghana, South Africa included, where if you don't go to... you don't have the money to pay, you don't go. You don't go to school. And so there's this yearning for education. There's a yearning for it. Yeah. Yeah.

25:59October 29th, I first saw this in the New York Times, a photograph taken by Hal Silva. And for the longest time, I could not get that child out of my mind. I kept thinking about thinking about that little boy. I was haunted by his eyes, and I wanted to know how we could save him, how we could rescue him. And so I wasn't the only one. Meet a Midwestern mother who was also dreaming about him. I'm Pam Cope. I live in Neosha, Missouri. I have a wonderful husband, Randy, and four children. On a whim, this stay-at-home mom took a weekend trip to New York. It was Sunday morning, and Randy went out to get our coffee, and he walked in, and he was holding the New York Times, and he said, you have got to read this article.

26:50I'm reading the article, and this little child has only a t-shirt with a little mermaid on it. I just start weeping. You know, Mark was six, and I just thought his job is to scoop water out of a boat maybe eight to ten hours a day. My heart was on the floor. That article was just so powerful. We both looked at each other, and we were like, we got to do something. As soon as she got home, Pam emailed New York Times reporter Sharon Lafreniere. Two weeks later, she had the name of a man in Ghana who could help. The reporter hooked me up with George, a Ghanaian man, who is the district school official in that region.

27:40George said for$320, we can rescue a child. With support from friends and family, Pam had enough money for the rescue, but Mark needed a place to live. A colleague that my brother-in-law connected me with is on the board of directors at the Village of Hope in Ghana. He said, these are kids in crisis. Take them there. Just move forward with your planning. After tough negotiations, Mark's rescue was underway. When we realized, okay, this is going to really work out, that's where we decided we can commit to rescuing seven children. Just days before Christmas, Mark and six other children were finally released.

28:23Two weeks later, Pam and her daughter flew to Ghana to meet the children she set free. Mark, Mark's brother, Kofi, Mark's sister, Hagar, Richard, Kojo, John, and Sarah. We call the seven the Magnificent Seven. They're just little survivors that have been out on their own, and they still have strength left to rebuild their life. I am the perfect example of anybody can do this. And there's nothing more exciting than to think you're changing somebody's life. Come on up and join us, Pam. It's just amazing.

29:15We're up with Missouri mom Pam Cope, who saw the same picture that I saw and that I know many of you saw that Sunday, October 29th, The New York Times. Pam was also haunted, and she was so haunted that she did something about it. Who...she went and rescued Mark, the little boy who I had seen on the cover of The New York Times. And when you saw it, did it not just grip your heart? I totally was paralyzed. Yeah. I mean, I was, like, almost shaking because I thought, this just cannot be going on. It's like this has got to stop. Well, you know, I know a lot of it is going on and have been to Africa many, many, many times.

29:55But there was something about Hal Silva's haunting photograph of this little boy and the story that was told about them that just sort of wouldn't let you go. And so you got to work and started making sure that he got saved. I felt this rise up in me. It was like that mother instinct. Because I have a seven-year-old son at home, and I could just picture that that was Van's life. Mm-hmm. And I just thought, you know, I like to think that I could read the Times. And I really kind of had peace, because I thought there will be somebody that will do something about this. Yeah, yeah. I did too. I did too.

30:33I thought somebody's going to do something. But then, I know, but then I'm always like, but what if they don't? Yeah. And then I would lay there in bed and I would think, he's six years old, he doesn't swim. It's like, what if tonight's the night? You know, I just had this haunting that never left me. Mm-hmm. And so you didn't let it go? No, I started annoying my husband and said, I'm not getting... Well, he's the one who brought you to the New York Times. Yeah. So you'd already read the story. I had. I brought it up to the room. Yeah. And I knew it would... was something that Pam needed to see.

31:04Yeah. Yeah. And I drive him crazy. I'm like, I'm not getting anywhere. I'm emailing the Times. I'm getting these rebound, you know, emails. But you did speak to the reporter. Finally, the New York Times reporter, she's great. She responded back and she said, I am so sorry. I've been on assignment in Sierra Leone. Here are your contacts. So that's where I met Brother George. Great. That's great.

31:31Well, a few weeks ago, Lisa Ling met Mark in Ghana. And here is that report. So the boy, Mark, from the New York Times article has already been rescued and he's been staying here at the Village of Hope orphanage. Let's go meet him.

31:49Good morning. Good morning. How are you? Free as mine, thank you. My name is Mark. How old are you? Seven years. Seven years old. So Mark, who is this? It is Mark. Ah, what is Mark doing? In the canoe. Mark is in the canoe. Mark is really kind of afraid of the camera, so Brian, our cameraman, is showing him what he's doing. Mark is quiet, but it's clear he's happy. So Mark has had zero schooling. No school at all. Came here speaking not a single word in English. So we have to begin by teaching them every single word. You know, you have to take a spoon and say, this is called a spoon in English.

32:41All seven of these children have lived through Mark's hell. Today, these kids are sleeping in beds and using a shower for the first time in their lives. So this is Mark's room where he stays with the other boys. Quite a step up from sleeping on the sails on the floor in the fishing village, huh? That's right. Wow. What does it make you feel to see him? I'm missing. Yeah. How long did you stay? I stayed a week. With your family. That was not long enough. Not long enough. Yeah. So will you go back? I can't wait to go back. Will you stay in contact with them? Oh, yeah. We're going to go back. We would like to take our whole family.

33:17Randy stayed behind with Van and Tatum, who are seven and eight. And so, anyway, I want to take our whole family because, you know, over in Ghana it is so amazing because I was Mama Pam. That was Sister Kista. And, you know, to have them run when they would see you. And it's like, okay, I'm Mom and Pam. I have seven Goddian kids. And, you know, my husband says I can't adopt anymore, but I have. Wonderful. And I understand that this, this, your yearning to do something different, something better, something to honor your own calling came out of your own tragedy, personal tragedy. Seven and a half years ago, we lost our beautiful son, and he had an undetected heart defect that we knew nothing about.

34:01So it was very sudden, very traumatic, and our lives stopped. Yeah. And at that point, though, I remember that first night in our bedroom, Randy and I looking at each other and saying, you know, we're forever changed. I mean, we knew that God was saying. What is amazing is, is that you are just a normal person, like everybody else reading that paper, and that you are the one person. You know, I thought about it, I thought about it, and then called my producers. You were already on it. And, you know, I've interviewed over the years thousands of people, famous people, celebrities, rich people, but never has anybody deserved a standing ovation more than you today.

34:43So I'm going to give you a standing ovation. A standing ovation. Yeah. And this is what I hope. This is what I hope. I hope that for the millions of you who are watching this show today, the next time you see a story and the story grabs your heart and it haunts you, you'll think about Pam and what one woman can do to make a difference. So thank you so much. Thank you.

35:11Richard Danziger is head of counter-trafficking with the IOM. That's the International Organization for Migration. And they oversee rescue missions of child slaves all over the world, including the one that you saw today. I know a lot of you who are watching us in different places in the world have seen what Pam, one woman, could do. You now want to know what you can do. You want to get all those little children off the boats and working all day in the cold water. How do we do that, Richard? Well, there's a lot of things that viewers can do. Certainly contribute money if they wanted to. Yeah. How do I know?

35:45This is the thing about money. Money. Money gets me. Because I don't know where the money's going. The fact is, though, that the government of Ghana, which is making great efforts in trying to solve this, doesn't have enough resources on its own. And this is why an organization like ours works with them to provide that extra help. So let's say I give you the money. Is it$320? Is it... Did you hear the rescue one child? The whole process from beginning to end, which is two and a half years, and it involves helping the parents find a way to earn a living. It involves finding the fishermen an alternative form of employment.

36:19or giving them tools. It's literally teaching people to fish. It's teaching people to fish or perhaps another job. It could be carpentry. They may be interested in changing jobs. Yeah. And the whole process costs about$4 ,300. For one child. For one child and the help to the parents. For the two years. The help over the two and a half years. Over the two and a half years. But for example... How many children do you estimate are still enslaved there in Ghana? I would say definitely in the high hundreds and probably low thousands. And so the thing is, okay, so we're gonna... If we send money to IOM, is that where we send money to?

36:58IOM. Then you're gonna have to have more staff to get all these people. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, Eric has got a great team there, and he'll have to expand his team if we have the resources to work in other areas of Lake Volta and get more children, not just out of their trafficking situation. Yeah, because what do you do with them once they're out? We take them back to their families. So we have to work with the families. And in 93 % of the cases, they are back with their families, which is where children should be. Thank you, Richard. Thank you very much. For more information on what you can do to help the child slaves around the world, go to Oprah.com.

37:35We have a lot of information there for you.

37:40You're our hero today. Thank you for your courage, Pam. Thank you, Lisa. Thank you, Celine, for your incredible report. I know you've done a lot of things for us, but even you said, for this story. This was the best work that I've done, just because there's so much hope there. By rescuing these kids and giving them an opportunity, you saw in Mark, you know, how quickly he learned English in two months and never. It really inspires me that give a kid a chance, and they won't disappoint. Goodbye, everybody.

38:17go to Apple Podcasts and subscribe, rate, and review this podcast. Join me next week for another Oprah show, The Podcast. And I thank you for listening.

From the publisher

Original Air Date: 2-9-2007
When Oprah saw a photograph of a child slave in "The New York Times," she was haunted by the image. Determined to uncover the boy’s story, she dispatched correspondent Lisa Ling on a 7,000-mile journey across the globe to uncover what happened to him. What unfolds is a powerful investigation into modern-day slavery, as Lisa seeks answers about the boy’s fate and sheds light on the hidden realities faced by millions of children around the world.

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