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The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway - Episode: No Mercy / No Malice: Stream On
Episode Overview In this episode of "The Prof G Pod," Scott Galloway, read by George Hahn, discusses the evolving landscape of the streaming industry. Galloway examines the rise of YouTube as a dominant force, the transformation of Netflix, and broader implications for media consumption and societal cohesion.
Key Themes and Discussions
Streaming Landscape
- YouTube's Ascendancy:
- YouTube has surpassed Netflix to become the number one distributor of TV content in the U.S.
- Recorded a 12% share of TV viewing, compared to Netflix's 7.5%.
- Estimated independent market cap of YouTube at approximately $550 billion, outperforming Netflix’s $520 billion.
- Netflix's Shapeshifting:
- Transitioned from a DVD rental service to a streaming giant and is now adapting to competition from platforms like YouTube and TikTok.
- Netflix's focus has shifted towards advertising, with 94 million subscribers opting for ad-supported tiers.
Economic Implications
- Value Transfer:
- The last streaming war saw a significant transfer of value from Hollywood to Netflix shareholders and subscribers.
- Future battles may center on content creation and distribution, particularly with individual content creators like Mr. Beast leading the charge.
The Content Creation Economy
- AI and Content Creators:
- The rise of AI-generated content poses a new challenge for traditional content creators.
- Mr. Beast, who has amassed over a billion viewing hours, exemplifies the shift towards individual-centric content production.
Challenges Within the Legacy Media Ecosystem
- Legacy Media’s Response:
- Companies like Comcast and Warner Brothers Discovery are divesting their linear assets to focus on growth in streaming.
- The burden of significant debt within these legacy companies raises concerns about their long-term viability.
Social Impact of Streaming
- Loss of Shared Cultural Experience:
- The fragmentation of media consumption leads to a loss of shared experiences and cultural empathy.
- Galloway contrasts the collective viewing experiences of the past (e.g., the finale of *MASH*) with today's on-demand model, which atomizes the audience.
- Concerns About Societal Distraction:
- The proliferation of on-demand content is seen as a distraction from more pressing societal issues.
- Galloway posits that the ease of entertainment consumption may contribute to apathy towards crucial societal developments.
Insights and Conclusions
- Future of Streaming:
- The episode emphasizes that the streaming industry is at a crossroad where companies must decide between consolidation or bundling to survive.
- Live sports are highlighted as a significant driver for streaming subscriptions, yet they also present challenges due to expensive rights deals.
- Cultural Reflection:
- Galloway urges listeners to reflect on the societal consequences of evolving media consumption patterns, emphasizing the importance of shared narratives in fostering community and understanding.
Key Takeaways
- YouTube's dominance signifies a critical shift in how audiences engage with media.
- The transition of Netflix toward an ad-supported model could redefine its brand identity.
- The fragmentation of media consumption presents both economic and cultural challenges.
- There is a pressing need for media companies to find ways to maintain shared cultural experiences amidst the rise of on-demand content.
This episode encapsulates the dynamic interplay between technology, economics, and culture in shaping the future of entertainment and societal interaction.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:27Adobe Acrobat Studio, so brand new. Whether you're a founder, investor, or innovation company executive, you need a bank that truly understands your business inside and out. A bank that offers uniquely specialized solutions for your unique needs. A bank like Silicon Valley Bank. Silicon Valley Bank is still the SVB you know and trust. The only difference? SVB is now backed by the strength and stability of First Citizens Bank. Yes, SVB. Learn more at svb.com slash box. Rinse takes your laundry and hand delivers it to your door, expertly cleaned and folded, so you could take the time once spent folding and sorting and waiting to finally pursue a whole new version of you, like tea time you.
1:13Mmm. Or this tea time you. Or even this tea time you. So did you hear about Dave? Or even tea time, tea time, tea time you. Mmm. So update on Dave. It's up to you. We'll take the laundry. Rinse. It's time to be great. I'm Scott Galloway, and this is No Mercy, No Malice. YouTube is now the number one streamer. Netflix has become an advertising juggernaut, and legacy media continues to consolidate. Stream on, as read by George Hahn.
1:59Instead of deploying a multinational force to Gaza or tanks to Ukraine, let's have our troops descend on the Home Depot in Westlake, California. Let's cosplay authoritarians so people look away from the speedballing wealth transfer from young to old, rich to poor, future to the past, the tax bill. Throw in tariffs that purposefully create market volatility to insider trade against and make billions. Exhausting. I know. Let's talk about streaming. The last streaming war was Netflix versus Hollywood. Spoiler alert, Netflix won. It reduced production costs by globalizing production, leveraging broadband and cheap capital to make Amazon-like investments that nobody could compete with.
2:50The result was a transfer of value from Hollywood studios and talent to Netflix shareholders and subscribers. The next streaming war? A. YouTube takes on the world. This year, more people in the U.S. watched YouTube on TVs than on mobile devices. A first. YouTube is now the number one distributor of TV content, according to Nielsen. And for the past three months, YouTube registered the largest share of TV viewing, 12%, among media companies. Netflix accounted for 7.5%. As one anonymous streaming executive told Vulture, quote, YouTube already has the crown. Most networks have essentially thrown up their hands in response, unquote.
3:40Last month, I asked the ProfG research team to calculate YouTube's valuation independent of Google. They estimated YouTube's market cap would be approximately$550 billion. Netflix, the most valuable streamer, currently has a market cap of$520 billion. When I look at YouTube, I see public access television, Google it, at internet scale with exponentially better production values. According to my markets co-host Ed Elson, Gen Z views YouTube as an algorithm-driven pendulum swinging power away from brands and toward individuals. The individual who's levied the greatest damage on Hollywood is not Reed Hastings, but YouTuber Mr.
4:31Beast, who mastered the art of the parasocial relationships. In 2023, he racked up one billion plus hours of viewing time, more than any of the top shows on Netflix. But just as individual content creators disrupted Hollywood, AI may disrupt content creators. Netflix will spend an estimated$18 billion on content this year. YouTube's content budget is effectively zero, and it therefore splits revenue with creators. According to Mr. Beast, a typical video cost him$2.5 million to produce. This month, an AI Muzak channel overtook him, becoming the fastest-growing channel on YouTube. A handful of animals can change their appearance to defend against predators or stealthily hunt prey.
5:29The aptly named Mimic Octopus, however, takes gold, silver, and bronze in the metamorphosis category, with shape-shifting capabilities that let it emulate 18 different species. Netflix is the mimic octopus of the media ecosystem. The company began life as a mail-order DVD startup and disrupted an 800-pound gorilla called Blockbuster. Later, it shape-shifted into a streaming service and disrupted an 800 ,000-pound gorilla called Hollywood. Now, after its first redesign in a decade, Netflix is shapeshifting again, with AI-powered content recommendations, vertical video on mobile, and an updated aesthetic to compete with YouTube and TikTok.
6:20As Netflix chief of product Eunice Kim said, quote, Our current TV experience was built for streaming shows and movies. This one is designed to give us a more flexible canvas now and in the future. Unquote. Translation, Netflix is content agnostic, attention obsessed. The latest iteration of Netflix isn't a pure subscription service, but a hybrid subscription advertising company. Around 94 million subscribers have opted for Netflix's ad tier since it launched less than three years ago. Despite the growth, I believe ads are a mistake. Breaking Netflix's core brand promise of an uninterrupted alternative to legacy media and levying the time tax known as commercials.
7:13Last year, Netflix reported$1.4 billion in ad revenue, compared to$7.4 billion for Disney, spread across broadcast, cable, and two streaming services. But Netflix has always defined competition on an impossible scale. Hastings, the founder and former CEO, used to say the company's real competition was sleep. Netflix's attention economy rivals include Meta,$160 billion in ad revenue last year, YouTube,$36 billion, and TikTok,$18 billion. Digital media pits all against all, resulting in a winner-take-most-slash-all scenario, where ad dollars increasingly consolidate around the small number of companies that have captured nearly all of our attention.
8:08For its next act, Netflix is reportedly focused on reaching a trillion-dollar market cap. Co-CEO Ted Sarandos said, quote, In the previous five years, we have doubled our revenue, grew profits ten times, and we grew our market cap three times. So, there's a path. Unquote. When a company has a profitable but declining business, cable, and a growth business, streaming, investors don't know who they're waking up next to, Jekyll or Hyde. Because they don't know how to value the asset, they assign the multiple of the worst business in the entire company. The divestiture of assets in different lifecycle stages provides greater investor clarity and ultimately creates a smaller whole greater than the sum of its parts.
9:02Last year, Comcast went good bank, bad bank, spinning its linear assets into a legacy portfolio called Versant while consolidating the studio, theme parks, NBC, Bravo, and Peacock into a growth company. This week, Warner Brothers Discovery followed suit, announcing it would spin off its linear assets into a new company called Global Networks. The key question, however, isn't who controls which assets, but how much of WBD's$35 billion debt will fall to Global Networks. Much of WDB's debt is long-dated low interest, as it was issued when Fed rates were near zero. Now that rates are much higher, WBD bonds are trading at a discount.
9:56As part of the spinoff, WBD announced a$17.5 billion committed bridge facility from JPMorgan Chase that will allow it to capture the discount by buying its outstanding debt and retiring it for less than the face amount. If it assumes a serviceable debt load, business writer Bill Cohan puts the threshold at$27 billion, global networks will be in a position to merge with Comcast's Versant and or whatever linear assets Paramount and or Disney ultimately spin off. Note, Disney CEO Bob Iger told CNBC the spin-offs give Disney an advantage as it plans to further integrate its linear assets. As for Warner Brothers, the stock popped 13 % on the news of the spinoffs, but ended the day down 3%, as investors realized the company remains in CEO David Zaslav's hands.
11:00Since merging Warner Brothers with Discovery three years ago, Zaslav has presided over a 60 % collapse in share price, committed brand malpractice against HBO, and gone full mogul, purchasing the Beverly Hills mansion owned by legendary producer Robert Evans. If the president hadn't become the biggest grifter in modern history, People might notice a CEO paying himself a third of a billion dollars over five years in exchange for having shareholder value. But alas, we have a president engaged in the largest grift in modern history. Small consolation? Last week, shareholders rejected Zaslav's$51.9 million 2024 pay package, three times the average comp for an S &P 500 CEO in a non-binding say -on-pay vote.
11:58In Succession, the HBO show loosely based on Rupert Murdoch's family and media empire, Logan Roy tells his kids, I love you, but you're not serious people. Looking at Paramount's real-life succession shitshow, Sumner Redstone's ghost might say to his daughter Sherry, I love you, but we are seriously fucked. In a puck column this week, Cohan pointed out that if Sherry Redstone doesn't close the deal to sell Paramount to Skydance and Redbird Capital soon, it could bankrupt National Amusements, the family's holding company. To close, Redstone needs FTC approval, but a$20 billion lawsuit filed by President Trump over the editing of a 60 Minutes interview with Kamala Harris stands in the way.
12:51If the lawsuit, i.e. shakedown, can't be settled and the deal doesn't close, former FCC Commissioner Rob McDowell said Paramount Global would be a melting ice cube. A decade ago, consumers were eager to cut the cord as local cable monopolies, contracts, equipment rentals, and service windows that made it feel like autonomous Teslas would show up before the cable guy paved the way for streaming. But now that U.S. streaming households have an average of five subscriptions, the bundle looks attractive again. Bundling may also be a lifeline for legacy media's streaming platforms. According to analytics firm Antenna, the Disney Plus Hulu Max Bundle has an 80 % retention rate, compared to 74 % for Netflix.
13:46A Netflix subscription ranges from$7.99 to$24.99 a month, depending on the plan, while the Disney Plus Hulu Max Bundle, i.e. cable without the cord, costs between$16.99 and$29.99. Still, churn is the Achilles heel of any subscription business, and streaming is no exception. As Antenna CEO Jonathan Carson told the Wall Street Journal, quote,
14:25That settling is likely years away, as there are nearly two dozen U.S. streaming services with at least 500 ,000 subscribers, and more streamers are on the way, including Fox's direct-to-consumer offering, CNN's second swing at a subscription service, and a new ESPN streamer. Meanwhile, consumers have become accustomed to churn and return, the practice of timing a subscription for a specific content offering, then canceling before moving on to the next streamer. Put simply, there are too many players and too few chairs. When the music stops, streamers will face a choice. Consolidate via mergers and acquisitions or bundle up.
15:14Last year, Netflix paid$150 million for the right to air two NFL games on Christmas Day and at least one Christmas Day game in 2025 and 2026. The first two games averaged 24 million domestic viewers, a streaming record. Netflix also struck a 10-year,$5 billion deal with WWE to stream its weekly wrestling show, Raw. The beauty of live sports is that they're a content offering that drives subscriptions, plus a coveted advertising product, i.e. their audiences can't skip the commercials. The challenge of live sports is that the leagues lock up rights in expensive long-term contracts that are staggered so that no single media company can achieve a monopoly.
16:09For Netflix, sports is a foothold in an ad business, but for legacy media companies, especially Disney, Comcast, and Fox, Sports is a moat. We lost something in the streaming wars. A shared culture. Neil Postman warned in his 1985 book, Amusing Ourselves to Death, that we were becoming a society obsessed with entertainment over enlightenment. He was right, but only glimpsed half the problem. We're still amusing ourselves to death, but we're doing it alone. In 1983, 106 million Americans, nearly half the country, watched the final episode of MASH. Last year's most-watched scripted television finale, Yellowstone, drew 13 million viewers, or 4 % of the nation.
17:08We've traded appointment television for on-demand everything, and in the process, atomized the American experience. This isn't nostalgia, but a recognition that America has lost two pillars of society, shared experiences and a collective. Without shared stories, we don't laugh together, love and hate the same heroes and villains, or believe in the same facts when we argue. We lose our empathy, our ability to see each other as human. It's hard to demonize someone you watched Cheers with every Thursday night. It's easy to hate someone whose cultural references are completely foreign to your feed.
17:54Living in the UK, I'm struck by how angry Americans are. Our rage obviously goes deeper than what we watch. But shared stories are how we might come together again. That's the optimistic take on the tsunami of on-demand content washing over us. Another take is that the key to a slow burn into authoritarianism is distraction from the slow burn into fascism. In America, we've been trained to stay docile and distracted with cheap calories, manufactured chaos, and fear-mongering about the enemy within, immigrants, academics, media, the deep state. There's multiple big tents, endless distractions, and less fellowship.
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