Advantage Arsenal & City in EFL Cup semis as Carrick prepares for Manchester derby

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0:43Thursday, the 15th of January, it's a big welcome to the Totally Football Show, which today features Benji Laniado, big cheese of Pickfair. Hello, Jimbo. You are? Yeah, good. Yeah, big transfer window for Pickfair. We're actually chasing the signature of Seb Stafford-Bloor. When did I ask you? I just you you asked how I was didn't you I did you're so right Benji you know Seb was talking about he was taking photos of is it Pippi's Reed in the German sort of third division yes that does ring a bell yeah set off radars and signals and alarms in the Pickfest studio so yeah we're after him that's our number one target oh yeah yeah yeah anyone that's like a kind of photography nerd to that level we're interested in okay keep us posted on that Tom Williams is here hello James hello Tom Deceptin for Duncan Alexander who is not well thanks Tom Thoughts and prayers out to Duncan.

1:31Very much so. And also here with us, listener with us, Art De Roche, we're spoiling you. Good morning. Do you want to hear who I am? Or no? Yes, I do. Sorry, I feel a bit bad. I'm okay. I was working with Duncan last night on the Arsenal Chelsea game. But he was at home, I hope. Yeah, yeah. From home. But I'm hoping that's not what did him in, basically. Was it that bad? No, it was a good game. But yeah, it was a few quick changes late on with the goals. Ah, yeah. Oh, was he your editor? Yeah, yeah. Oh, right. What's he like as an editor? He's one of the good ones. One of the really good ones.

2:08Who are the bad ones then? Just wondering. No, no, he's top. He's top. Is he? Does he ever get upset? Like, if you miss a deadline, does he come down on you? No. Well, I've never missed, like, I've never sent him anything late. So he's never had to. right pros yeah yeah wow I think that's something that people don't actually appreciate about journalists that they are generally very disciplined people because you can't miss you just can't miss a deadline can you yeah so yeah you can't yeah that's why we were here 10am this morning and recording bang on the dot exactly exactly yeah Benji you used to be a journalist of course recovering I'm recovering yeah by the way speaking of recovering get well soon too Duncan And if you would like to see him, health permitting, in person, in all that flesh, then I remind you that Monday the 23rd of March, which is zooming towards us, we're going to be live at the Leicester Square Theatre with a totally football show on the stage.

3:11There's still a handful of tickets available, if you've got big hands. Hands that can hold 40 tickets. That's how many there are, I think. It might be less than that, actually. Anyway, if you want one of those, or all of them, leicestersquaretheatre.com. Hen Knight, for example, would be perfect for that. Absolutely ideal. I'm sure you must have plenty of Hen Knights already. Yeah. Not with the Totally Football Show, but other sidelines, yes. Oh, also, we've got a Totally Extra coming out this Saturday morning, all about the great George Ware. Oh, delicious. Right. Ah, you're probably too young to remember George Weyer.

3:51Yeah, yeah, unfortunately. I won't say my birth year. You can say it, you can say it. I'll cover my ears. What do you know of George Weyer? Well, I know that Arsene Wenger was in the crowd when he won his Ballon d 'Orny dedicated to him. He even gave him his World Player of the Year award because he won the European World and African all in the same year. But you must know his goal, that goal. Yeah, yeah. And isn't he, well, didn't he become president? Yeah, he did. I don't want to get that wrong. Is he still the president of Liberia? No, he got voted out. Well, the Liberians felt otherwise. Anyway, all of that will be the subject of our Totally Extra, which, a little journalistic secret, we're actually going to record this afternoon, Tom, with yourself, Musa Konga joining us, and James Horncastle too.

4:42So it should be an interesting chat, because that is a guy with a story to tell as Arsene Wenger himself said his life should be a film or a podcast I think and podcasts existed when Arsene said that he would have said podcast if he had the option he came was he is it Chelsea he was at Chelsea and City Manchester City yeah that is weird peculiar at Chelsea he scored 90 minutes after signing it was against Spurs admittedly but still impressive I get that slightly mixed up with Eto 'o's kind of Premier League swan song because Eto 'o ended up at Everton. Yeah, Everton. Yes, having also... Yeah, all number five.

5:18Having also played at Chelsea. He is not yet the president of Cameroon. Cameroon. He's on his way. Doesn't stop him behaving. He's on his way. As if he is. Wow. That's an excellent chat. We've kind of half done our way at the podcast. Brilliant. There we go. We've got lots of other things to talk about today, though, listener. Not least, the Caraboy Cup semi-finals. Just referenced by Art. We'll get on to those then, next. This is the Totally Football Show with James Richardson, part of the Athletic FC Podcast Network.

6:11rather than over two legs. Caraboy Cup semi-finals, first legs. Tuesday, Newcastle beaten 2-0 by Man City. Wednesday then, Arsenal went to Chelsea and beat them 3-2. Second legs will be the week commencing the 2nd of February. Art then, what did you have to say about Arsenal's 3-2 win at Stamford Bridge? Yeah, not to sound any sort of way, but I think they'd come away a little bit frustrated that they gave away two gold leads in that second half. And if they had that going into the second leg, I think the mood would be very different. But from the way the game panned out, I thought they were dominant throughout.

6:53Obviously, Chelsea had some spells, but in terms of quality, I thought they showed they were far superior and they would feel that they should have at least a two-goal lead going into that second leg. But others can disagree. Well, Chelsea might feel that they should have had more or that Arsenal should have had less. First of all, if Robert Sanchez hadn't had quite such a bad evening. And secondly, maybe if Garnaccio had come on earlier, Garnaccio with a brace, the first coming pretty immediately after coming on. Yeah, I had to kind of double take to realise he was on the pitch because obviously, as you guys will know, when you're working, you're kind of looking down up your laptop, then back up.

7:33So, yeah, I think from that perspective, they probably would have hoped Pedro Neto would have had maybe a bigger impact in the first half. But, yeah, from Arsenal's perspective, I think they also had chances where they could have almost made it 4-2 with Mikel Moreno late on. So, yeah, I think not kicking themselves, they'll obviously be happy to win, especially at Stamford Bridge. But yeah, I think there would be definitely thoughts in the back of their head that they could have done better. Yeah, just on Robert Sanchez, Liam Resinia said something slightly curious after the game. He said, those mistakes are on me.

8:11I'm asking him to do things that he's not used to do. And so if he's struggling at all, then that is on me. But the things that he struggled to do were quite simple goalkeeper things like field the ball and not push it straight into the path of the opposition centre forward. but I guess an example of you know Liam Rosinia's man management doing his best to protect a player aged men well of course we you know ageing men is a big part of Rosinia's don't watch it don't watch it no you should he's quite adorable I think there are thick wafts of David Brent about him already he said that as a manager you are a man ager is that right have I got that right so basically in English the word manage is made up of the words man and age to your ageing men.

8:57I love that. Yeah, yeah. I love that. But there's quite a lot of modern managers who give off a bit of a David Brent vibe. Mikel Arteta, chief among them. And I think young players find that a lot less cringe than older generations. So it's digestible. We were talking about this on, I don't know what day it is now, but the other time we were doing a show recently. And the question was whether the office poisoned any kind of sincerity or earnestness from any kind of authority figure. for an entire, well, several generations probably. And maybe you've got people like Art now coming through who don't have that cynical viewpoint bequeathed by Ricky Gervais' masterwork.

9:36They just see the inspirational, they feel the inspiration. Man-ager. Man-ager. Man-ager. So you age the man. I mean, that's bollocks, isn't it? It doesn't make any sense. And it's unfortunate because I think Liam Rossini talks an awful lot of sense. He talks an awful lot as well. And has lots of really interesting things to say about football. And that, unfortunately, has been... I don't even know where it came from. It seems to be some sort of Hasburg-era promo, and it has now gone viral in the last couple of days. I do worry that he does talk an awful lot. I'm not sure on that, because people said that about Amirim as well, and I don't think people realise how much press the managers do.

10:16Yeah, they just talk and talk. They're in front of the cameras, especially if they're on TV. they've got TNT or whoever it is now, Discovery. They've got Sky to do multiple times a week. So that's why you're seeing them so much, I feel. And Lucinia is a good talker. The French media absolutely loved him. He charmed them all right from the off. So this is an early take. And I should in no way, in no way be making myself such a hostage to fortune. But it's not the number of times he appears. It's how much he talks. I feel like he comes way too much towards the interviewer and it's a bit too it's the earnestness but then the modern coach the modern manager is a salesman as well he's selling his well I guess hey if Arsenal win the league this season with Arteta that will be the revenge of the David Brenty managers and they'll all end up talking like that I think it's bad now James give it another 10 years won't be able to move for inspirational quotes let's hope so hey Arsenal, lots of good positive things from this, as opposed to the not good positive things.

11:22Kai Havertz featuring, how did he look? Yeah, so he came on with Gabriel Jesus I think the most interesting thing was they were playing almost as a two-man strike partnership when they came on and there was maybe a little bit of debate whether Arteta should have made maybe a more defensive change to see out the win but even though they would be frustrated with conceding another goal. I was quite happy that he decided to be experimental, if we want to call it that, and play those two together. I think when Havertz came on initially against Portsmouth at the weekend, it was like night and day in terms of Jesus started and he was okay.

12:03He set up one of the goals, but Havertz came on, held the ball really well, dropped off into pockets nicely, played some nice passes in behind, which led to, I think, Martinelli's third goal, the hat-trick goal from the corner. So afterwards, Arteta was speaking about how much they'd missed Havertz. And I think going into the second half of the season, it's a real boost to have not just James Heuss back, but Havertz as well, because it gives a totally different look and feel to Arsenal's front line. So, yeah, he only got nine or so minutes at Stamford Bridge. But I think over time, you'll see him a bit more.

12:41And Arsenal and Arteta will definitely be thankful for that. Sure they will. And also to see Victor Jokoret not only scoring but assisting to Zubimendi's goal. Yeah, what pleased me most was their awareness inside the box. I think sometimes this season he's kind of been a bit of a passenger in games. But last night, even in the first half when maybe he was a bit quiet, he was putting himself about for that Zubimendi goal. It was just a nice little flick to the side. But sometimes the best things in football are the most simple. So, yeah, it was nice to not just see him get a goal, which I think a lot of strikers would have scored anyway.

13:21But, yeah, to get that assist as well, which proved to be pivotal in the end, I think was really encouraging. Well, a 3-2 lead to take to the return leg, which will be on the 3rd of February at the Emirates. Chelsea, meanwhile, this was Liam Rossegna's home debut. What would be kind of top of his agenda ahead of this weekend's derby clash with Brentford? For me, I guess I was wondering how persistent Chelsea are going to be with playing out from the back, because Arsenal really put them under a lot of pressure when they try to do that. There are times when Chelsea centre-backs and Robert Sanchez couldn't really figure out what to do and just decided, OK, get rid, which I think was the right decision by them in the moment.

14:08But yeah, I'm just wondering, OK, what are the patterns you want to go with in those situations and how easily is it going to be to kind of implement them in January when there's a lot of games coming? That was a real article of faith for him at Strasbourg, more than any other team in France, more than most other teams in Europe's top five leagues. Strasbourg systematically built up from the back and it worked really well for them. But he's arriving in the Premier League right at this moment where we're seeing this quite stark transition away from that style of football towards something a bit more direct.

14:44And it will be interesting to see how wedded to that philosophy he is. Well, philosophy just doesn't really work anymore in the Premier League. We're post-philosophy. We are post-philosophy. We've seen it with Ange, we've seen it with Amorin. You just have to be a pragmatist now. You've got Pep playing four at the back. Sorry, four centre-backs at the back. So yeah, I think it's slightly ominous if he's coming in with a brand that he wishes to transpose from Strasbourg to Chelsea straight away. And also, wasn't that not the point of this graduation through Blueco that you should turn up and be told what to do rather than come with your own agenda?

15:22But wasn't the plan with him that he was hired because his football is so similar to what they're already doing? I mean, he used a different sort of starting formation at Hasbro, but it was very similar principles. We'll see. We'll see what he does, starting with... I would actually say Arsenal are one of the best pressing teams in the league. So I guess what we saw in that game was almost the biggest extreme that they're going to face. How are Brentford on pressing? Because that's who Chelsea have got this weekend at three o 'clock. They're good. They're good? They're good. Yeah. Interesting.

15:57Brentford are good in many respects, not least being fifth in the table. Six games unbeaten. Crikey. It's going to be... Yes, an interesting test for Liam Rossini. As for the other semi-final, meanwhile, first leg of that, leaving things a little bit more straightforward with Newcastle losing 2-0 at home to Manchester City with Antoine Semenyo again. For Stock who slides it in and put home by Antoine Semenyo. He scored on his debut in the FA Cup. He's done it again in the Carabao Cup. Semenyo for City 1-0. Two goals in two games at his new club and an even better one disallowed. Were the VAR officials a bit hasty, do you think, in disallowing that marvellous second strike?

16:48Well, I mean, I... I mean, is the appropriate response? That's kind of the only noise I want to make. But I thought what was interesting was that you had this interminable VAR delay during the game on Tuesday. But then last night in the Chelsea-Arsenal game, every time there was a VAR review, it took about 20 seconds. and I got the impression that Howard Webb has been on the blower and said, look, five minutes for a VAR review is just too long. People hate it. That's not the idea. And, I mean, I hate talking about VAR, but here we are. The opening Arsenal goal last night was not dissimilar to the City goal that was ruled out.

17:27But, you know, after five minutes review, they disallowed it on Tuesday and after 20 seconds review, they allowed it on Wednesday. Isaac Organ says, I'm a physics student. And we're taught from day one that every measurement carries uncertainty, no matter how precise. The equipment for these millimetre var calls, the combined errors from camera resolution, selecting the exact frame, the ball is played and parallax from camera angles are significant. Sacrificing minutes of a game to arrive at what is at best a slightly better guess feels pointless. Can't agree with you more, Isaac Organ. I think in as much as you can be 100 % correct, you are 100 % correct.

18:03Is that a real name, Isaac Organ? he is right and the argument is I don't think then the solution is bin the whole thing it's like when you get those sort of calls bin it when you get those sort of calls move on it's the clear and obvious thing exactly wow so a big countdown clock that's how long the officials have got come on Mike Oliver look at the pictures man that would make the decision even worse it would just panicked so yeah I think bin it I'm not saying that it doesn't make some decisions better but it's just on a fast-flowing and momentum-based game to arbitrarily stop things so you can have pauses to try and...

18:40Like I say, it's doing an autopsy on a living thing and you end up with a dead thing. I'm still long on it. It takes 10 years for any technology to properly bed in. How long has it been now? This is the 10th year, isn't it? It feels like 10 years, even if it's not. It's not. No, 2019, I think, was the first year. Was it 2019? In the Premier League. If it's still sh** in three years' time, four years' time, then OK. I wonder if it will be bed - No, no, because they're going to iterate and improve. as we've seen from one EFL semi-final to the other they iterated and improved it's been six years and it's taking five and a half minutes to come up with a guess I don't think it's going to get any better but hey I've been wrong about other things before I'm willing to wait for them to get it better I don't like it okay so Menuh anyway that would have been a lovely goal the one that was given Raheem Sterling-esque says Sam Lee it was sorry sorry it was a really nice knee slide I don't know it's not about the goal but the knee slide was unbelievable I was very happy to see him and Doku playing because that transfer there's been a few of these this season actually that really annoyed me because you end up with like two amazing players in the same position often like bought at the same time so like I thought that Semenyo was gonna was bought to play on the left and alternate with Doku that's annoying I want to see them both and even in this game you had and you did yeah that was nice but you saw Trafford making some lovely saves.

20:01They bought him and then they bought Donnarumma. That annoyed me. The Chelsea strikers, Jao Pedro and Liam De Lappe, that annoyed me. Liverpool getting Eketike and Izak, that annoyed me. That annoyed me. Man United getting Mbumo and Cunha, that annoyed me because they're all just the same sort of way. West Ham getting none of these players, that annoyed me. Maybe that's why it annoyed me. But the point is, I want to eat all the food. I don't want to have to selectively eat one thing on one day and another thing on another day. Do you know what I mean? I'm not sure I've done myself any good with that.

20:27No, that's... He summed it up brilliantly. Ryan Shirky was off the menu but came off the bench to make it 2-0 eventually. Sensational 1-2 with his fellow sub Ryan Ait. Norrie, so there you go, 2-0 up. And Newcastle's record away at the Etihad is absolutely disastrous. They've lost all their last 11 visits under Eddie Howe. They're yet to score a goal even at the Etihad. And I think in this game, Eddie Howe dropped a bit of a bollock. Because they've got quite good depth now. And that's a good problem to have. But it's still a problem that needs solving. And in this game, he didn't start Harvey Barnes, who's on fire.

21:10He started Jacob Ramsey over Tonali. He started Wisser over Walter Marder. And ultimately, in a game that's the first leg of a semi-final at St. James' Park, you've got to absolutely go for it. And I don't think he did. And he's going to have to get these selections right. They've got an unbelievably mad run of games coming up, including from the 28th of January to the 21st of February. They've got seven games, six of which are away. And they are away at PSG, Liverpool, Man City, Spurs, Villa, and then Man City again. So he's going to have to get these. It's one of the kind of real tests of the upper echelons of management when you've actually got a lot of good players and you've got to choose which ones to play.

21:52And I think he got it wrong on Tuesday night. I guess with that, it comes down to what the priority is, because they're obviously really close. They're six in the league, so they're close to Europe, obviously in the Champions League already. They're facing Wolves this weekend. So how does he want to, I guess, balance the minutes up? I guess he's done an EFL Cup, so it's... Completed it, mate. And they played 120 minutes against Bournemouth in the Cup of the weekend. Very good point. Yeah, this is all mitigating, isn't it? Still, I don't think he points, Dan. On the subject of mitigating and team selection, I should point out, actually, and I maybe should have mentioned this before, the Chelsea side against Arsenal was missing Cole Palmer, Caicedo, De Laap, Gusto.

22:36Gusto, whereas Arsenal, to your point, went really strong. The only real rotations, if you want to call it that, were Kepa in goal and Durian Timber playing left-back instead of right-back. So I think you saw from Arteta how seriously he's taken the competition. Quad dreams. We're not going to go there.

23:00No, I don't think that's realistic. Hopefully one gets done and then we can chat after that. All right then. At the moment then, we're currently heading possibly towards an Arsenal-Man City final in the League Cup. That's very much the rivalry in the title race as well. We'll get on to the latest from the Premier League next.

23:41Ooh, Match Day 22 of the Premier League. It begins lunchtime Saturday with the Manchester Derby. Ooh, Michael Carrick. First game in charge after his appointment as interim head coach until the end of the season. At three o 'clock on Saturday, two London derbies, Spurs West Ham and Chelsea Brentford. Sunderland Palace is also at three, as is Liverpool Burnley, which is Scott Parker's first visit to Anfield since that 9-0, which spelt the end of his tenure as Bournemouth boss. And Leeds-Fulham also mid-afternoon Saturday. Then at tea time, Nottingham Forest face league leaders Arsenal, who are six points clear.

24:23Sunday, it's Wolves-Newcastle at two, and then Villa Everton at 4.30. Monday, that bitter, nasty Brighton-Bournemouth South Coast derby gets underway amid heavy police presence, no doubt. Anyway, Man United, Man City, up steps Michael Carrick. Why him, first of all? Why Michael Carrick? Well, they had to eeny, meeny, miny, moe between him and Solskjaer, and he got the moe. He has had a spell there before. We take... I mean, like, every managerial appointment is a reaction against the guy who came before. Right. And so Michael Carrick is a reaction against Ruben Amarin in that he is someone who knows the club, who is not a tactical dogmatist.

25:10And, yeah. You've run out. What else do you need? He did okay in his interim spell there. He did. He did some really impressive things at Middlesbrough. Where he came in with them in a tricky situation. They reached an EFL Cup semi-final and claimed some impressive sculps en route. And then I think they, did they get to the playoffs? Just miss out on the playoffs? Something playoff related, definitely. And yeah, you know, he is sort of emblematic of that very successful period in Manchester United's history. and I mean I think that's pretty much it. That's enough. In terms of Tom's point on being I guess a reaction to the previous manager I'm quite interested to see how he will use some of the players so let's say Diallo for instance or Mbwemo obviously Ruben Amarin being so 3-4-3 driven.

26:05Carrick I remember speaking to I don't know if you guys remember Chuba Akpom but when he was at Middlesbrough he was almost kicked out so made to train with the under 21s before Carrick came in Chris Wilder yeah under Chris Wilder then Carrick comes in with Jonathan Woodgate as his assistant manager and their first kind of few training sessions Akpom who's known as a striker was kind of just drifting around and they moved him to number 10 he had an amazing season and he ended up signing for Ajax so I'm interested to see if there are any players he kind of you know reimagines if that makes sense because there are some players in that squad that can easily fit in other roles in that team.

26:54Sorry Carrick got Borough into the playoffs in his first season they lost to Coventry and then following season and they finished eighth, and he reached the EFL Cup semis. With a bit of trivia that blew my mind, thanks to my friend George, so Matthias Delict has now had a different manager in every season of his professional career. So this goes back to Ajax, Peter Bosch, Marcel Kaiser, and Ten Hag for the first time. Then he goes to, and this is three consecutive seasons, then he goes to Juve, and it's Sarri, Pirlo, and Allegri. and he goes to Bayern and it's Nagelsmann and Tuchel then he goes to United and it's Eric Ten Hag Amarin and now Carrick and that is a unbroken run season on season since 2016-17 from Mateus De Ligt and he's on a Ten Hag hat trick so he does that too good lord the things that man has seen this fixture Man United Man City more evenly matched than I imagined in their last six Premier League meetings at Old Trafford There have been two wins for City, two wins for United and two draws as well.

28:04So, hmm. Yeah, it's a fixture that often throws up surprises. And in United's recent history, even when they've been really struggling, they've still managed to pull off impressive results in the derby. And yeah, you know, City's record at Old Trafford over the last 10 years is pretty positive. It's a notoriously difficult game to predict. OK. One thing we can say is that Man United won't have to rotate their squad too much because this is all they've got left in their season. There you go. City will be hoping not to drop points there and that Arsenal don't pick up points on them when they travel later on Saturday to Nottingham Forest.

28:43Art, you're going to go along to this one. Indeed. Forest not having the best of times at the moment, but this is not a fixture that Arsenal traditionally do very well in. No, I remember being there a couple of seasons ago when it was the day Manchester City won the league in 2024 because Arsenal dropped points there. Right. So, yeah, I feel like it's one of those stadiums where Arsenal, they have won there recently. They've had one win in five in all competitions. But it's one where they need to really kind of check it off multiple times to feel maybe comfortable going there, especially with Sean Dyche as manager.

29:22He revels playing against Arsenal. So, yeah, it'll be a really interesting test, even though Forrest haven't been in the best of form. Indeed. Six points behind Arsenal, along with Man City, are Aston Villa, who Sunday at 4.30 will be hosting Everton. since Villa were promoted back to the Premier League in 2019 Everton have never beaten them 13 league meetings without a win and of course Villa's so good at home so good at home they've only lost one of their last 28 matches at Villa Park in the league they won 11 in a row at Villa Park in fact in all competitions Crikey Everton meanwhile only one win in their last seven games they do have Jack Grealish back from suspension though and back at Villa Park and back at Villa Park maybe to haunt his former employees is that about Jack Grealish that I love.

30:10So, I think like many people, I just love Jack Grealish. What do you think his best skill is? What do you think his best attribute is? Is this a stat though, Benji? Give me a second. Passing the ball back to his fullback. It certainly wasn't Man City. The thing he is absolutely best at is getting fouled. He's one of the most hacked players in the history of the Premier League. And when Jack Grealish is at his best, he's getting fouled the most. So his three seasons at Villa, he was the most fouled player in the league, went to City, and as Tom says, passed it sideways and backwards for a couple of seasons.

30:45Now that he's back at Everton, who's the most fouled player in the league this season? I have no idea, Benji. It's Jack Green. Is it? On that, I was actually looking at most fouled players earlier in the week because ahead of the Chelsea-Arsler game, I did something on Saka and Kukurea because they're always at each other, or maybe I should say Kukurea's always at Saka. so Saka was the seventh most fouled player in the Premier League this is going back to the start of the 2019 season so since 2019 until now all those fouls were Kukurea but Jack Grealish was first so 2019 to now he's in first place Saka's in seventh I want to know who the other five are I can get it back quickly on Everton I'm not sure if this is a stat but this popped up the other day on the socials they've had three players sent off this season one was for punching a teammate one was for pulling someone's hair and the other one was for sarcastically applauding the referee Jack Bielich although that was the second yellow card just quite the collection of of you know reasons for being banter reds sent to the showers very much banter reds quite the collection eh Tom well we'll be getting the answer from Art and lots of other things next

32:04Okay, Art's crunched the numbers. And what do they say, Art? Okay, so yeah, as we know, Jack Grealish, number one. Is he miles ahead? So he's number one on 528 ,000. And then second's actually quite surprising. Does anyone want to guess? Give us a clue. He plays for Ghana. Or at least he did play for Ghana. Semenya? No. I hate when you give this clue in it Jordan Jordan Ayo He was found a lot He's second on 477 Right Then you've got John McGinn James Madison Wilfred Zaha Bruno Gimaraes Bakayo Saka Esri Konsa And then Jared Bowen In the age of set pieces These players are incredibly valuable And Pep realised this I honestly think Pep bought Grealish because he got found a lot.

33:02It gave him a lot of set pieces. And this was at a time where City had quite a lot of big centre-backs and Rodri in the middle. It's a massive advantage if you've got a player that's going to win you six or seven almost corners a game. And he does it by just carrying the ball. He doesn't do tricks. He doesn't throw step-overs. He's not a massive shimmier. He used to be more of a shimmier than he is. Fast forward five years, Anthony Gordon will be in this list. He's another one who's really good at getting fouled. Like, he will leave his... You know, with an England hat on, this is great, but he's done this a few times against West Ham, where he will just leave his foot where it shouldn't be.

33:37And he's effectively fouled the other player, but because of the way it looks, and if he goes down, the contact makes it look like it's a foul. Anyway, he's very... It's very clever. He's about 13th in that list. And he's only been, like, sort of a regular starter for about sort of three seasons. Yeah, to Tom's point and yours, when you said what's Grealish's best skill, I wasn't even going to say step-overs or something. I was going to say gliding, almost, if that makes sense. There's players that glide with the ball, and he's one of them when he's at his best. So it's been great to see him kind of have fun again at Everton because we've been able to see that again.

34:16Maybe he will be having fun at his former Happy Hunting Ground this Saturday. Now, Sunday, 4.30 Sunday, thanks, Tom. On Monday, last Monday, the big news was Xavi Alonso getting by mutual consented by Real Madrid. Wednesday, his replacement, Alvaro Arbeloa, made his debut in the Copa del Rey. They were taking on the team place 17th in the second division, Albacete, and they lost 3-2. Now, Real did have significant absentees. Bellingham, Mbappe, Trent, Chirmini, Rudiger, Rodrigo, Falamendi, Thibaut Courtois were all left back in Madrid. But this is not a particularly great look for a club that's just decided to dispatch one of the most highly rated managers around.

35:10Abba Lohr after the game saying, failure is the road to success. That's a nice managerial aphorism for you, isn't it? You can use it after every defeat as well. Alvaro, that's 18 successive defeats for Madrid. I mean, what is going on? It's the road to success. We're taking the scenic route. You know what is also the road to success? Winning. Arguably even more so. Meanwhile, what of Xabi, though? His sudden availability has set pulses racing all over the place, not least in the Premier League. It'll be interesting to see what vacancies there are. Eh? Yeah? Isn't it? Now, ooh, talk about Liverpool, what they're up to later on.

35:55But Benji, who's got a trip to Tottenham this weekend? West Ham do. Yeah.

36:03Yeah. OK, so this is... El Sakico. El Sakico. Are you going to call it that? I don't want to. I like both managers. You do? I feel sorry for both of them. Frank versus Nuno. They are the bookies' two favourites for dismissal. Do you know what it is? I think Duncan has very rudely on here previously said that when a player has a good game against West Ham, you don't know if they're a good player or if they're just playing against West Ham. Same with Nuno. Is he a bad manager or is he just managing West Ham? I think the answer is not the former. Can both be true? No, I think you look at his record.

36:40And also Frank, you don't appoint a manager like Frank and then just bin him off after just over half a season. Although my friend Paul said something brilliant the other day about Frank, saying going from Ange to Frank was like going from severe diarrhoea to severe constipation. Right. Wow, that's graphic, isn't it? It's a philosophical question. I mean, what's worse? On the subject of the constipation of that club and yours, I note that only Burnley, Wolves and Sunderland have had fewer shots than Spurs and West Ham this season. Will this game be any good? Probably not. We've signed some absolute randoms up front.

37:14Have you seen this guy Tati Castellanos I have I know he's actually Comes with a bit of a reputation Right From Italy And actually he He scored He scored a nice goal It was one of those goals Where you're like Hold on Somerville did a Beautiful bit of skill This is against QPR On the cup Beautiful skill from Somerville Lovely header from Tati You're like Hold on That's not a relegated club Is it Yeah And Somerville's opening goal Was a dazzling strike as well Yeah But it's still No we're down It's done Are you Yeah yeah yeah You're on your worst run since the 2006-2007 campaign when it took something pretty special to keep West Ham up, as we discussed in a previous Totally Extra, that remarkable Kerbs and Carlos season.

37:56Hammers have also lost all six of the London derbies that they've played in the Premier League this season. On the other hand, though, Dr Spurs will see you now. I don't think so. We're garbage. Although they've got... Talking about buying players you don't need, Connor Gallagher. Yes. Right, so should we just sit around and name Spurs holding midfielders? We've got Pelinha, Bissouma, Gray, Bergval, Saar, Bentonka and now Gallagher. But Gallagher is way more than a holding midfielder. He's injured, isn't he? So he's, I think that's... I'm not sure they'd have done it now. Gallagher when he was at Crystal Palace was much better.

38:32He was more box-to-box. Yeah, so that's what I was thinking because you can't be buying him to play deep. Or can you? No, not along with those midfielders. But none of Spurs' midfielders really do hold, apart from maybe Sarr. They're all sort of box-to-box, aren't they? And here's just another one. Maybe he's there to sort of fill the Madison gap until Madison's back. That I accept. He's not Madison either. No, but there is a dearth, a slightly terrifying dearth of creativity in the Tottenham midfield, and that will theoretically be sorted once James Madison returns from injury and Kulicevski comes out.

39:08Madison's going to be out for a little while longer. and Gallagher is not a creative player but he is someone who attacks the box really well has scored goals in the Premier League so I guess the thinking is you've got enough sort of ballast in central midfield here's a guy who's actually going to get into goal scoring positions and give the team a bit of It's a numbers game if you've got 25 central midfielders you'll find three that are decent Possibly so West Ham won't have Lucas Paquetar am I right for this game after he declined to attend the FA Cup match with QPR because he's pushing for a move to Flamengo.

39:44He's just such an annoying player because he's so wonderful at times and so lovable and he's contributed to some of the best moments of my West Ham life. That three ball for Bowen in the Conference League final. But he's profoundly selfish and I think that's something that we're seeing. Sometimes in the way he plays as well. He doesn't want to stick around to fight for his life. Yeah, he let us know that when he did that I don't want to stick around celebration back in August. It was quite the opposite. It's just confusing. Anyway, yeah, whatever. I think it's kind of hard once the cat's out of the back for him to come back.

40:21But yeah, and also, this Pacitar isn't that good. The Pacitar we had a couple of seasons back, yeah, he was good. And City were circling with 50, 60 million pound bids, potentially. So if we can get 40, 50 for him now, which by the way, a hell of a lot from Brazil. Well. Take it. Yeah, I'll take it. OK, here's a fun fact for you. West Ham have kept one clean sheet this season. All these stats, Jimbo, it's really painful. One clean sheet this season. It was against Forrest back in August, and Forrest at the time were managed by... By Nuno. Nuno Espirito Santo. So Nuno has now gone 27 Premier League matches without seeing his team stop the opposition from scoring.

40:58I mean, I think this game, perhaps more than anything, is just an example of how difficult it is for managers to take a formula that worked at one club and then apply it successfully at a completely different club. Thomas Frank, a very pragmatic manager who arguably overachieved with Brentford, is now trying to unpick all of the extremely intricate stitching that Ange Postacoglu put in place when he was there. And Nuno found the perfect conditions for Nuno Ball at Forest and now has turned up at West Ham and found that he doesn't have what he had at Forest. Basically, he had Murillo and Milenkovic, and we've got an absolute assembly of clowns at centre-back.

41:42Assembly of clowns. The good thing about Benji on is that it's often very tempting to be quite cruel about West Ham, but as a non-West Ham fan, you feel a bit guilty. You don't want to annoy them, but when Benji's here, he can say what often cannot be said. Perhaps better times lie ahead, Benji. Meantime, Thomas Frank's former outfit, Brentford, are, as mentioned, at Chelsea, 3 o 'clock on Saturday. Brentford, who are, what, one, two, three, four, four places above. Three places? Three places ahead of Chelsea in the standings. Fifth, and they have a terrific record against Chelsea as well. The Blues have only won one of their last eight meetings.

42:22One of their last eight. That's remarkable. I mean, everything about Brentford's remarkable. or everybody who left, the appointment of Keith Andrews. And Nick Miller pointing out that this game, which we'll see Keith Andrews up against Liam Resenia, is a pairing of two former Sky EFL highlights. Rise of the talkers. Pundits, yeah. There you go. Brentford, just amazing. They've acquired a striker themselves, 18-year-old Kay Furo from Club Bruges. they do have a good track record in picking strikers though do they not anyway that game's at three o 'clock on saturday at that time as well we'll see liverpool hosting burnley scott parker's first visit to anfield since he got beat there nine nil with bournemouth kind of threw his players after under the bus afterwards and then got fired by the club his burnley side now have gone 12 matches without a win in the Premier League and they're facing a Liverpool side who were 4-1 winners there at Anfield on Monday night against Barnsley.

43:29This came subsequent to our most recent Tony Football show so we haven't had a chance to applaud Dominic Slobbersly's commitment to flair. Tracking back what 50 yards? Yeah to be fair I know the Barnsley manager spoke about afterwards and felt a bit disrespected by it. It's just so different that I didn't mind seeing it. If you were on a slot, you'd mind. Yeah, yeah, of course. I think because, obviously, I'm a neutral. But, yeah, I like seeing tricks. Just maybe not in your own situation. Yeah, maybe not there. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, that led to the Barnsley goal, him trying to do a back heel in front of his keeper and missing.

44:14But it ended 4-1 and Liverpool goes through. to the fourth round. Who are they going to be facing? Who are they going to be facing? Oh, Brighton and Hove Albion. There you go. Oh, we'll talk about Brighton and Hove Albion. Just another good night for the new signings with Eketike and Fringpong and Verts all getting on the score sheet. There is a feeling that they are, I mean, obviously Eketike found his feet very quickly, but the rest of them are now finding their feet as well, which is promising. Against Barnsley. Against Barnsley, yeah. But Barnsley... because he's for the last few weeks he's been he's been very promising and Frimpong too I mean they're all you know they're all on form at the moment in a way that you know certainly for Frimpong and Verts they hadn't been since the start of the season Nice I say we'll talk about Brighton in actual fact they're not playing until Monday night when they host Bournemouth the other games this weekend are Leeds against Fulham Saturday 3 o 'clock meeting of two of the most in-form players in the league I think so everyone's been talking about Calvert-Lewin but let's spare a few words and Tom I think you'll like this for Harry Wilson he in the last 10 games he's got 6 goals and 6 assists and he's developing a bit of a sort of trademark traveller you know the outside of the foot so he obviously scored that beautiful goal earlier in the season and then did you see his assist in the cup beautiful and he's sort of turning into a choir boy Koreshma I think he's fantastic Harry Wilson and long may his form continue seconded on the trademarks I think we've actually forgotten about one of his early ones which was just hitting free kicks into the top corner from miles yeah because there were a few I think when he was on the low net was it Preston I might need to double check he's also he's quicker than I thought somebody on here mentioned the other day that he oh you know he's got good pace Harry Wilson I was like no he doesn't that's maybe the problem with Harry Wilson is that he's a bit sort of slow and sluggish but no he's kind of nippy very nerdy I looked up the top speed that he's achieved oh yeah what's that a couple of seasons ago we got up to 36 kilometres per hour which is elite that is like is that elite that's going to kill Mbappe speed well the fastest in the Premier League this season I think was it I can't remember how you pronounce his name Chachau is that how you pronounce it it's not that but it's something like that Chachau what team is it Burnley ah Charlie's nodding at me help me out here oh Chachua That's the one.

46:46Choo Chooer, more like. Hey, that's very good. But I think he's done 36 kilometres. Anyway. 36 kilometres per hour, yeah. Jackson Chachua, who is at Wolves. There you go. And he was renowned for his pace when he was at Hellas Verona. Yeah, there you go. But Wilson's got that in his locker. He's a much, much better, bigger player than us. Who else is really fast? Van der Venn? Yeah, famously. Have you got the list, Tom? No. No. The other team I was thinking about other than Derby was Cardiff City. Oh, yeah. So Cardiff City and Derby County, where I think the one that sticks out in my mind was at Old Trafford, which was in 2018, I believe.

47:29So, again, I think we also probably forget how long Harry Wilson has been around. But he's absolutely in the form of his life. And he's out of contract at the end of the season. 28 years old. and I was chatting to a Welsh friend of mine the other day about what kind of club he might go to. Right. You're thinking Wrexham, aren't you? No, Perish the Thore. Anything but Wrexham. No, someone really decent, like a leading English side, but a side who's going to pick him week in, week out. So maybe not kind of Champions League level, but the level just below that. Well, I think almost for that point, he should just stay at Fulham.

48:05It's where he will play week in, week out. Their season, not just this year, but last year has kind of annoyed me because their squad is good enough to get into Europe but they go through these kind of slumps in form. So this year was at the start of the season. I mean, last year... Is their squad that good though? It's got talent. So they've got Iwobi, Smith-Rowe, Raul Jimenez, Muniz does well at times. Josh King too. I mean, they have a really good squad. And a great manager. The problem is, I still think that at some point he'll be Man United manager and should be. He deserves another chance.

48:48I'm not saying United is the top table anymore. Will they take another punt on a moody Portuguese guy in a nice anorak after Amarin? I suspect they might be waiting for some time. Well, the other one actually was their most successful manager post Sir Alex. But yes, anyway, that's Leeds-Fulham. Also at three o 'clock, you've got Sunderland against Crystal Palace. How bad is Palace's form right now? Well, only West Ham have taken fewer points than them over the last six match days. Punch after punch. Yeah. I mean, this is West Ham. These are the numbers. They don't lie. Sunderland, of course, unbeaten at the Stadium of Light this season.

49:24And then you've got Wolves. Could they? Could they? Wolves against Newcastle. What is it? 12 points? Tom, I think you've got the table in front of you. Is it 12 points from safety now? No, 14. How far are Wolves from safety? Yes. 14 points. Probably no then, but they're hosting Newcastle this weekend. Newcastle, in a rich vein of form, at least in the league, three Premier League wins in a row, although they did get beat, of course, midweek by Man City. Wolves are unbeaten in four matches in all competitions. So we'll see. We'll see. And only five points now off overhauling the famous Derby County.

50:02Oh, right. How many points are they behind West Ham? They are... Eight? Seven points behind West Ham. I actually do think they could catch us. I actually do. Do you still have to play them? Yes, at home, I believe. Unless they beat us recently. Was that this side of the new year, Charlie? I can't remember. That means we played them at home. Home on April the 11th. Okay, there we go. You're saying Fulham with their squad should be challenging for Europe. Should West Ham be in the bottom three? Yes. Really? When you look at the teams that are there, So West Ham, Burnley and Wolves. The team that I'm most, I guess, disappointed by is Burnley.

50:46Because the way they started the season, it felt like they were going to be different than every other time they've come up and gone down. And I think they really encouraged me in that kind of August, September period of the year. Whereas West Ham, I know they're viewed as a Premier League team. but look at that line up look at that squad it's nonsense and it's like the other day I think it was Liam Tame on here I can't remember what you were talking about but he sort of said something like talking about data driven recruitment and he said something like oh everyone does that now and I immediately thought as I'm sure every West Ham fan listening did we don't we are an analogue football club in the digital age and it's kind of catching up with us and this is a sort of this is something that we deserve and yeah we're not Yeah, I'm sorry.

51:38No, I'm sorry. Let's see, eh? Let's see. Anyway, that's the Premier League weekend. Now, also, this Sunday, we've got the AFCON final in Morocco. So you'd hear about Wednesday's two semifinals and what awaits us in the decisive game. Next up, we'll be joined by Mahir Mazzahi.

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52:38Sunday, Cup of Nations, the final. Meher Mazzahi joins us for a very sunshiny Morocco. How are you doing, Meher? I'm doing very well. How are you, Jimbo? Very well. Very well. Lovely to see that blue sky there. This is Thursday. We just had the two semifinals. Meher, without being negative, I do recall that the quarterfinals, everyone was going, wow, this is the strongest line-up we've ever seen, perhaps, at this competition. were these equally the two dullest semi-finals we've ever seen at the competition? Yeah, you know, when you get to this stage of the competition, teams can tend to be overly conservative.

53:18I think everybody's scared of making a mistake and that's probably why we saw what we did. Particularly the first match, Egypt for Senegal. Man, Egypt again lined up with seven defensive minded players and they didn't really have a shot on target until the 94th minute, which was 60 seconds before the referee blew the full whistle. So, yes, it was dull. But if you enjoy tactics, if you enjoy the intensity of challenges, if you enjoy just being nervous in general, then overall it wasn't so bad. OK, we had a goal in that game from Sadia Mane, who thus wins the duel, which is what the game was all about, with Paul Mosala, who presumably has now lost his last chance at actually winning this trophy.

54:02The Egyptian journalist reported that after the game he went and he gave a handshake to every single player, every single staff member, hinting at the fact that this might be his last Afghan. Sadio Mane said in his post-match men of the match press conference that this will be his last Afghan. Riyad Mahrez was uninvolved, but he also said this will be his last Afghan as well. So it does feel like a changing of the guard a little bit in African football. Those three, they carried the weight of African football in the Premier League for the last decade. So a little bit of a page-turner, but yeah, the way we will remember this match, unfortunately, it's very simplistic, but the journalistic narrative will be Sadio Mane 3, Mohamed Salah 0.

54:41Sadio Mane had the better team, he had the better squad, obviously the teammates are much, much better, but that's not going to change the way we remember it. And for Sadio Mane, maybe a little bit of vindication, justification. Salah can have Liverpool, but he has Africa. Are Senegal going to be the better side on Sunday when they take on the hosts, Morocco. And what, Meher, I'm guessing, might just be the biggest game ever held in Morocco? Yeah, this is definitely the biggest game ever held in Morocco. Maybe until the World Cup final, if they get it. But if not, then whatever, quarterfinal, semifinal.

55:16This has been the most predictable African Cup of Nations I can remember in my life, James. The best sides have won the matches that they were supposed to win. and prior to the tournament, we all predicted Morocco versus Senegal, and that's exactly what we're getting. So a predictable tournament with a predictable final, and Senegal will be the better side. Again, if you go from player 1 to player 23, I think Senegal are definitely a top 10 team in the world, probably a bit higher than that as well. But Morocco have the home crowd behind them. Waleed Rougaragi said yesterday when they had the 65 ,000 in that Moulet Abdallah Stadium, which at times in this tournament, particularly early on, has been a bit tame.

55:56But when they were like what they were like yesterday, you left the stadium and your ears are whistling. He said, that's what we're looking for. That's Borussia Dortmund style. And the Atlas Lions flesh is very difficult to digest when you have 65 ,000 Moroccans in that spirit. Very, very literary with his Arabic, what leader Greg is. That's beautiful words, beautiful words. The game against Nigeria, the second semifinal on Wednesday, saw the Atlas Lions take an opponent who'd scored 14 goals in five matches and absolutely shut them down. Nigeria had, what, two shots in 120 minutes as the game went to extra time.

56:33Remarkable stuff from Morocco. Exactly. Two shots total, one shot on target. And Morocco have only been allowing 4.6 shots in total in this tournament, which is by far the best in the tournament. So this was really the cliche of the unstoppable force meets the immovable object. Nigeria were the best attacking team I can remember seeing since 2008, which was Cote d 'Ivoire with Yaya Toure and Didi Drogba and so on and so forth. They were that good. And could Morocco neutralize them? And the answer was yes, they could. They did it a few different ways. So first of all, when Alexi will be dropped deep to pick up the ball and pass the ball through the lines, which he's done so well in this tournament, Morocco put a player right in front of him.

57:12There was a mix of zonal and individual marking, but it was mostly Brahim Diaz, who was not really known for his defensive prowess, that stepped right in front of Alexi Wobi and didn't let him have any space or time on the ball. The other thing they did was Nigeria have scored a lot of goals via their crosses, with Victor Oseman usually jumping three or four feet in the air and crashing a header down onto goal. But every time that Nigeria were in a position to cross the ball, Morocco were bracketing him. They had a player in front of him and a player behind him, and he grew very, very frustrated.

57:41to the point where at certain times in the second half, I think he wasn't even in the box. He wasn't in the penalty area. He was lingering more around the penalty area, the D at the top of the box than anything else. So really a tactical masterclass from Oli Rukaghi in how to neutralize your opponent. Morocco were a little bit neutralized themselves. The game went to extra time and finished nil-nil and then penalties came around where once again, it was Yasin Bono who was the hero. Yeah, and you have to understand the mental aspect of all of this. For Morocco, I mean, they've failed so many times in the past in the round of 16, in the quarterfinals.

58:21That's why the last match against Cameroon was so important. But even this one, they're at a semifinals for the first time in 22 years. And Ashraf Hakimi steps up, for example, and they're down in the penalty shootout. And Ashraf Hakimi, two years ago, he has a penalty. He clings it across the crossbar as they're playing against South Africa, and they go on to lose that match. this time he steps up and he finishes with a plum, to use another cliche. Really, I didn't feel any nerves from Morocco from the very beginning, which you could tell they were extremely prepared. And I don't think any other country on this continent does as well of a job preparing, whether that's mostly the technical staff.

58:59I think they have no less than 15 assistant coaches. And so the preparation, I think, that's what translates into calm and steely nerves in a penalty shootout. And when you have a goalkeeper like Yassine Bouna, who ended up winning Man of the Match, I think it should have been Calvin Bassey or Néla Ainaoui. But when you have a goalkeeper like that, that definitely adds an element of confidence as well. So Senegal, the opponents then, as Morocco try and win this title for the first time in half a century. It's been a high-scoring tournament, Meher, but a little bit still waiting for it to catch fire.

59:30Do you think it's going to happen in the final on Sunday? No. I think we're going to see much more of the same. Go look at the list of results of finals in AFCONS. Really, over the last 20, 30 years, they're rarely, rarely ever decided by more than one goal. And I don't anticipate this being any different. These two sides know each other very well. These two countries know each other very well. They have really good relations. So many Senegalese living in Morocco, so many Moroccan businesses working and operating in Senegal. There really is a closeness to these two nations and to these two sets of players that you wouldn't find so easily in the African Cup of Nations.

1:00:07So with that familiarity, I think they're going to be extremely cautious. I don't think it's going to be a great game for the neutral. But for the narratives, for the storylines, I think you still have to tune in. Because for Senegal, this will be their third final out of four African Cup of Nations. They have a chance to win two Afghans out of the last four as well. This is for them a chance to establish their supremacy. and for Morocco, 50 years without an Afghan. James, even as a neutral, even as a journalist, even as a fan, we didn't do anything to win the African Cup of Nations, but I can tell you that when Algeria won in 2019, I felt like I had peaked life.

1:00:45I felt like there was nothing better that could happen to me ever, ever again. So it's just such a good feeling. And so for Morocco, they're chasing the chance to experience that for the first time in 50 years. Amazing. Mahir, thank you so much. you're going to be there at the final soaking up that incredible atmosphere definitely uh looking forward to it's going to be my fifth afcon final excellent but here we look forward to catching up with you after that enjoy that beautiful weather in morocco and thanks for being with us today thank you james

1:01:16maher mazahi afcon finals famously low scoring oh yeah scorelines from finals starting in 2002 0-0 2-1 0-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 2-1 1-0 2-1 So if you're expecting a goal fest you may have gone to the wrong Continental Championship final. Well we'll see. We'll see on Sunday. Of course we won't be able to include that in Sunday's show because it happens on Sunday night when we'll be recording our Totally Football Show roundup of the Premier League weekend. And remember But as ever, you can watch us doing that live on YouTube if you fancy that. But we will include the AFCON in our Tuesday European Totally Football show.

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