Man United in the relegation zone despite incredible 4-4 with Villa

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1:42Today, Man United have an eight-goal Villa thriller, but there's still a place in the bottom three for them. As we head into the international break, will United keep calm and move Carrick on, who will be in charge for their next game at Anfield? Elsewhere, Black Hats beat Chelsea. Arsenal tame the Tigers. Well, as for the Cheaters, City downed at the City ground in a famous win for Forrest. We'll round up all the weekend's winners and losers in this Totally Football Show.

2:12Totally Football Show coming to you on Sunday, the 7th of November? 8th. 8th of November. It's a Sunday. Possibly not for you as you get this, but it is for Tim Spears as he joins us here. Hi, Tim. How's it going, James? Yeah, pretty good. Pretty good. Love your knitwear. Thanks very much. Excellent. Matt Davies Adams is with us as well. Always memorable, yeah. It's a jaunty... No, I was just nonplussed by the pixelated kind of design on your... Probably not great for YouTube, actually, is it? Apologies. It might. You know, liven the old studio up a bit, I think. That was the hope. Excellent. And Daniel Story's with us too.

2:50Hi, Daniel. Hello, hello, hello. Thanks for coming all the way in. Thank you for having me. Well, always a pleasure. much as we enjoy your long distance reports if only that were true yeah there have been some logistical problems many thanks by the way if you're joining us if you're one of the Sunday night crew who like to tune in and watch us put this show together live on YouTube lots of you there and running in today no Taker Fanatic yet Matt you were asking what's Taker Fanatic had to say yeah I mean hopefully they'll make an appearance at some point. Let us know, Taker. I'm not going to worry otherwise.

3:28Strider 6056 says, is this the weekend that Arsenal won the league? Tim? Yeah, I kind of feel like the Premier League is going to have a bit of a strange look. You know, once Man City drop, it doesn't kind of feel like Chelsea and Man United and Spurs are going to be anyway, sort of maybe near the top four in current form, whereas Brighton, Bournemouth and others maybe. You saw Brighton today, didn't you? We'll talk about that. Forest, we'll be talking about them, I imagine. Matt and Daniel, both Forrest fans. Doug Bethune says, did anyone have Glaston sprinting like prime Linford Christie down the touchline on their bingo card?

4:04It's really reassuring that YouTube commenters are still using Linford Christie as their reference for sprinters, isn't it? David Pleat was the other comparison. Yeah. Yeah, I just thought you maybe, I thought we'd been using bulk territory with the YouTube commenters. It wasn't that fast. It was nice to hear. Well, for someone who watched the British Empire last night, that feels very appropriate. Yeah. I think it would be Linford Christie. Sorry. Sorry, Daniel. No, no, no, it's a good player. Martin Wirtman, relating to that game, says the Man City players, or do the Man City players, have inside information.

4:32They know what the punishment will be. That's why they've given up. Was that the way that game felt to you a little bit, Matt? I'm not sure that I'm the right person to ask that because I just want to bask in the glory of an Oslo Forest performance. But there were certainly some, I mean, there have been some notable ricks on the field from Manchester City players in recent weeks. since the adrenaline of that Aston and Anfield has worn off. So a contributory factor, I'm sure. Yeah. Well, it was the last international break when the news of the guilty verdict dropped. So who knows if they're not choosing this quieter time to release the word on what the penalties will be.

5:09I don't know. I don't know. Man United is the big talking point, though. We've just seen their extraordinary full four draw with Aston Villa and people commenting on that as well. Cy DJW says there are two lots of problems at Man United. Hrishkan says maybe Sam Maladice can help Man United survive relegation. They're in the bottom three right now. 15 goals conceded in the last five games. I mean, I get the point being made there. They are not very good defensively. I thought it was really funny that there was this sort of, thanks to Drury's inimitable style, there was this sort of big crescendo to the 4-4 in their back and the crowd are chanting, you know, Carrick's it here and, well, the ones are still there.

5:55And then they went to two players and interviewed them and the two players sounded like they'd basically lost 6-0 at home. They were just like, it's just awful, it's not good enough. Yeah, you are still in the bottom three after a quarter of a season. It is extraordinary. You have to salute their spirit for doing that twice in the space of, what, four days, five days? We saw it against Roma Tuesday. They went 2-0 down, came roaring back to win 3-2. This felt like something of a small victory, didn't it? I'm glad that they got the equaliser because the four of us were sat here a fortnight ago and I thought we were going to have the exact same conversation that we had after the game against Bournemouth and I was wondering how to try and reframe that.

6:32But I'm struggling to balance the tragicomedy of all four of the goals that they conceded, which were truly horrific, with the resilience to twice come from two behind. There must be something in that which can be taken as a positive, but it almost feels like the biggest story is how did Aston Villa throw that away? I mean, a game that they were so in control of to contrive to throw away two points on two separate occasions is the sort of thing that will make your manager leave the arena before the final whistle is even tooted. Well, I hope you don't leave in any more permanent sense. No, I mean, it was quite a sort of visual mic drop for Unai Emery to just literally walk down the tunnel whilst the game was still being played.

7:11And you rather suspect he had some strong words for his charges once they got back in there. But yeah, Manchester United continue to give those of us of a certain vintage plenty to enjoy. But again, what new can we say about this mess of a football club? I don't know. We'll find out. Tim, in terms of the match, he's probably one of the strangest 4-4s you'll ever see. Because normally after like a 4-4, you might get players coming out saying, God, that was just a pleasure to be a part of. It was a great game. But I feel like both teams are actually pretty embarrassed about what happened. You know, Villa for throwing it away and Man United for the way that they conceded their goals, really.

7:45Yeah, Adam Steve says, that really didn't feel like a 4-4 thriller to me. Villa could have been out of sight first half but switched off. Then could have been comfortably settled the second half but switched off again. Was it a question of them switching off? We'll talk about that game very, very shortly. Get a quick check on the results, though, on this Match Day 10. It began on Friday with Everton beating Coventry 3-1, a brace from Tiano Barry, which takes them to 10 goals this season in all competitions. Saturday, Leeds beat Spurs 1-0. Noah Okafor scoring the fastest goal by a substitute in the Premier League this season.

8:1997 seconds after coming off the bench. It was also 1-0 to the Arsenal against Hull. Fulham drew 1-1 with Newcastle. And Forrest chose the visit of Man City to get their first home win and score their first home goals of the season. Liam de Lappe with a brace. Sunday, Brighton beating Brentford 2-0 to go second in the table. Liverpool, 3-1 winners at Palace with McAllister and Wurtz, both scoring their first Premier League goals of the season. Bournemouth winning 2-1 at Ipswich. That's now eight wins in a row for the Cherries in all competitions. And bottom of the table, Sunderland beating Chelsea 1-0.

8:56And then at 4.30, the madness at Old Trafford between United and Villa. It means that Arsenal's lead at the top of the table is now five points from Brighton, who are in second place ahead of Man City. Liverpool have moved past Chelsea into the top four, and then you've got Everton, Bournemouth and Brentford. Crikey. Down at the other end, Forrester broken out at the bottom three, leapfrogging Coventry to 16th, with Man United now joining Sunderland and Palace at the sticky end. Not since 1986 have United been in the relegation zone this deep into a season. Wowzers. Let's start then with what fresh thoughts we can bring to bear on their performance today.

9:42Very good. Man United 4, Aston Villa 4. Were you writing notes during this, Daniel? Yes. What notes? I wrote madness, full stop, again, full stop. Ask everyone else, full stop. it's a good notebook that just says madness over and over again on every page um i mean it yeah it was it was absolute chaos and to go back to that interview at the end with the two man united players they were repeatedly asked kind of you know how do you try and control this and they effectively said i don't really know we don't really know we need to go away and look at ourselves which are sort of the conversations you should be having on august the 15th or the manager could be having that conversation.

10:21Which two players was it? It was Patrick Dorgue and Tez Cunha. And they were both very downbeat and I understand why they weren't upbeat about it because they're expending so much energy to draw at home effectively. And we've seen how bad they are away from home. So they needed to win and they didn't and they needed to save themselves twice. It's just so dysfunctional, the football team. Why is it with kickoffs that is their kryptonite? Not just twice in this match, but also midweek against Roma We saw it in the Champions League against Como. I think Atletico Madrid as well. What is it about kick-off?

10:55It's slight cod psychology, but the team's preparation, I don't think, has been good enough this season. I don't think Karak is good enough tactically as a coach. And I think we saw it, and we've actually seen it growing over the last few years, that managers see the first moments in halves as a potential time when the opposition is switched off and you can maximise it. There was that period, was it last season when Brentford scored under Keith Andrews, scored in the first minute of games like three times in a row or something. And yeah, managers do identify that and United are seen as an undercoached, underprepared football team so they're not set and you can expose that.

11:37And yeah, as you say, it happened against Atletico Madrid, it happened against Roma and it happened against Como as well. Sorry, Como, yeah. And what, four times today? Well, Well, they were 2-0 down. What was it, four minutes? That's the earliest they've ever been behind two goals in a Premier League game. Matt, you asked the question, how did Villa let this slip? Do you have any answers? I mean, we do have to give Manchester United some credit for stick-to-itiveness, particularly given the mood in the stadium, which I think probably is a factor into their slow starts as well. And you've got protests as the game kicks off in the stands.

12:15has got to be slightly unsettling. But I think probably a bit of Villa thinking, well, this is done. And Manchester United don't have the capacity to come back and it's just going to get worse and worse. It was notable that the two goals that Villa scored, Senna Lamans was partly, if not totally, culpable for both of them, which feels like a new wrinkle in the Manchester United disaster class, which could be a big issue for him and they going forward, I suppose. But I guess United also have the muscle memory of having come back in the week. And if there's that recent example of, well, we have done it before, if we get the next goal.

12:50And they were helped out by a penalty given to them, which was needlessly conceded. And once that happens, then the mood in the ground changes and they have a chance to get back into it and do so. Which is exactly what happens to them against Roma. No, it was Cunier again with a penalty, rather less of a penalty, I felt, on Tuesday. But anyway, that saw water under the bridge. You have to salute their amazing spirit. They were, what, 4-2 down with 90 minutes played, United. Yeah, and unusually Old Trafford was rapidly emptying. I don't think anybody really saw it coming. And obviously you have to give them credit and Old Trafford can still be a really special place when they have the sort of momentum with them.

13:29But I don't know, I'm seeing a bit of discourse that Carrick saved his job with what's happened this week, four dramatic points and two dramatic comebacks from two matches. But I see it as further evidence that he's clearly not the right man and this is a really good time to change things. They've obviously had a couple of weeks where we think they've probably been looking quite hard for a replacement, according to reports. Now feels like an appropriate time to do it. Do we analyse the Roma game and this one and look at the positives and negatives and assess whether Carrick stays on? No, you look at the bigger picture.

14:00It's one defeat in 10 and they're in the bottom three. They've got the worst defence, I think, in any of Europe's top leagues? Yeah, absolutely. Most goals conceded by any team in all competitions this season. and he looks absolutely broken. They're not being well coached. Right. The fact that when they scored that equaliser, he just kind of, there's that shot of the crowd going mad behind him. He just literally just puts one hand in the air, and he just looked completely surprised that United had come back into it. It looks like he's just sort of stood there. Pierre Sarge is actually the same.

14:32It just looks like they're stood watching their own show unfold, rather than actually being a protagonist in it. it is chaos and he seems completely unable to control that and yeah this is to back what Tim says this is the last chance to march to do it easily isn't it so yeah and if they were going 2-0 down through some kind of open expansive you know gallivanting style of deservey ball and then they come back and get a point you say okay look they're building towards something he needs more time there's nothing to do with that you know and he's part of the problem now he's making bad decisions with his selections Diego Dalla had it you know really bad today but he keeps picking him every week.

15:09He keeps picking Telemans in midfield. The perfect case in point today against his old club and his old manager as to how badly Telemans is being used, being asked to run back and forth week after week. He was doing the opposite of Villa. He had players to run for him and he could be the sort of elegant tempo setter with the ball. It's completely different at Man United. His use, just a case in point of what Carrick's doing badly as well. There's nothing we can point to from Roma, Aston Villa, or the game I was at at Chelsea last week where you can say that's where Michael Carrick affected things positively.

15:43They came from behind twice today because Carrick changed this. He made that substitution and that's what helped him get back in the game. It all seems to be kind of circumstantial rather than anything he's doing. It's certainly not his team talks. I think we can assume that as Paul Chop 45 points out. One thing you would say from a positive point of view about Man United is that while, was it just a week ago, people were talking, former United players were talking about the players having down tools. I don't think that's the impression they give right now. But, Tim, you say, is he going to keep his job?

16:15No. Who's going to be in charge then in two weeks' time when United take to the field for their next Premier League match, which is a way too livable, Matt? Well, we were chatting about this in the office and Daniel was convinced me that Eddie Howe will in fact take the job. I think the contact thing just feels like a non-starter, doesn't it? because of the managing up situation. I'm not sure that Julian Nagelsmann's first job in the Premier League would go that well were it this one. So Hal feels like the kind of, he can please everybody without rocking the boat and will make a tangible difference on the field because he is a decent Premier League operator.

16:51And you revealed a detail about the payoff that would be required to release him from Newcastle. Yeah, I think it would be substantially less now than it would have been had they done so last month. and we know that if there's one thing that Ineos do well, it's Count Beans and those few million pounds or whatever it could are more valuable than the points that they could have gleaned from maybe changing manager beforehand. But does Eddie Howe want his first game as Man United manager to be away at Liverpool? You do? Because it's a shot to nothing? Yeah, managers have ego that says, yeah, I'm not going to wait for that game to go.

17:28If I want that job, I want that job because of Liverpool away. despite it. You're excited by Jason Tindall being assistant manager at Old Trafford there too? I was quite warm into Eddie Howe's appointment but yeah, that'll be really, really annoying. But they have to recognise where they are. They're in the relegation zone and I think if you hire Conte, you risk things maybe going wrong and blowing up and in March they're still in the bottom three and have to sack him, you know, perhaps. But I think with Eddie Howe they stay up and that's where they're at right now. Right. What you're saying to me is Sam Allardyce.

18:00that's what you're saying so you keep mentioning him he's mentioned a lot in comments actually a lot of big Sam fans are there is she but you know I think you back them to go to Liverpool in two weeks and do something like they have at Anfield in recent seasons and get a decent result lose 7-0 Liverpool leave loads of space Eddie Howes' team would be pretty good at that I don't see that being you know a huge issue not to take the job it's just whether they can persuade him that they're not going to tank his reputation Eddie Howes yeah people getting in touch Take a fanatic, actually. Thanks for the shout-out, MDA.

18:34Here I am. Who was more bad, says Take a Fanatic. I wonder if there was a word for that. United or Villa? I'd say Villa. Yeah, Villa were appalling because United were out of it before the game in terms of mindset, and they were out of it twice during the game, and Villa still managed, not through Manchester United being brilliant, but through Manchester United playing the law of averages and just launching into the box and hoping or crossing into the box and hoping and Villa completely failed to deal with it. I thought Howard Bellis was really bad. Suzuki, that's two games in a row now where he looks poor at those, certainly those like deep crosses where he has to sort of stretch back and jump.

19:17You don't even need to challenge him. You can just sort of stand near him and he seems to struggle with those. Yeah, they made some really poor decisions but they should have just kept on attacking. They could have scored five or six goals. You talked about that Liverpool 7 game. You can do that to this Manchester United team because they are a bit broken. Spooky Richard says, Conte would be the most fun. Get Conte. Sakiro Fight says, Tim Spiers looks like if Kratos got heavily into Animal Collective. I don't know if that's offensive. Is that offensive? I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means.

19:46Put away with that one. Go back to your Limpact Christie stuff, mate. Yeah. Sorry, Tim. You were right to say something. I've been thrown by that. I can't remember what you're going to say. I'll come back to you in a minute. there you go it was baffling for Carrick to say they were the better team and controlled the game says the Adam Steve did Carrick say that you did ok well that is quite baffling anyway there they are we don't know who's going to be in charge but we think Eddie Howe I was going to say sorry it was a classic Emory thing had been too passive and too deep I think and contributing to that it was interesting that he stormed off before even the final whistle had blown down the touchline it was quite an image but we should also mention Lammond's atoned for one of his mistakes by backing into his opposite goalkeeper whilst not looking at the ball.

20:29Not quite enough for it to be a foul, but just enough to cause a distraction for the fourth goal. Him going up to the corner thinking, what do I hate when I'm defending a corner? What's the worst thing that happens when I'm defending a corner? I would just do that and it works. Brilliant. When was this? Right at the end? For the fourth goal? Yeah, he was in the box. For Dogu's goal. Edging. I actually thought that the goalkeeper had scored at first. I thought that was the wildness of the celebration. So that was a slight tinnitus. like gives you lemons and all that United saved by their muscle memory Villa with problems with their Emory and we'll move on to other things that happened on Sunday because there were loads of matches, four of them took place at two o 'clock Tim, you watched Brighton Brentford because you love a bit of Brighton Yeah, I've watched a lot of Brighton recently, this was the worst game unfortunately, it was just ruined by a red card a fairly early red card to Thiago But the goal before that, though, the goal before that, Tim?

21:26Unbelievable. Diego Gomez, yeah, I think the last time Brighton had a home game in the league, he scored from the halfway line. This time it was a half volley on the turn from 25 yards into the top corner. Unsavable, unstoppable, just incredible. And yeah, after that, it sort of became the Michael Oliver show as Brentford fans were singing, Michael Oliver, it's all about you. Which it was, which it was really. yeah this red card for Tiago you didn't think it was a red card? well him and Kem and Andres are kind of just going at each other a bit you know shirt pulling and shoving and then Andres sort of pushes or goes into Tiago who responds by sort of trying to brush him away on the chest but follows through and sort of clips him on the side of the face and then he just goes, he just falls down basically do you not agree?

22:17I thought he kind of went in with his elbows really? Yeah. He was never getting overturned once he put it that way. But it's not enough for him to fall to the floor. Oh, no, he overacted it. I just think he was a bit thick of Tiago. It's silly, but if you're going to get provoked, then I think it's fine to do a bit of that, and then, what, is it really that bad? Given that there's, like, how hard you pull on somebody's hair now defines whether you get sent off for it or not, it is weird that there doesn't seem to be a grey area about something like that where it could be, it could have been an accidental contact, but oh no, you can't go up there.

22:55Whereas James Tarkovsky on Friday night can yank somebody's hair and he didn't do it quite as hard as he might have done even though it stopped him from getting the ball and that's fine. There's no penalty. It's all right. It's Tarkovsky, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so that kind of ruined the game. Brighton were already goal up by that point. They were already goal up and then they got penalties just for half-time. Shirt pull in the box on Voskovic and Gross takes probably the best penalty of the whole season. Okay. What was so nice about it? Well, it's exactly in the top corner at pace. It's completely unsaveable.

23:24The classic two goalkeepers wouldn't have saved it line. He said he's been practising it a lot. He also said, interestingly, that he's just come through the hardest period of his career. The last five games Brighton have played have been away from home. He said it's been a very punishing schedule, very, very tough period. But they came through it with ease today. Obviously, they've beaten Arsenal. They pretty much outplayed Liverpool at Anfield. And, you know, they've gone to Man City at one. What can they do against Brentford at home there? It just absolutely coasted it. 77 % possession in the second half.

23:55Ten shots to one. That one shot for Brentford went out for a throw-in. So it was very quiet at the Amex and all just very sort of run-of-the-mill. Three points. Which is mad. And the title charge continues, you know. Yeah, yeah. It was weirdly subdued considering, you know, what's happening there. Won six of their last seven Premier League matches. Kept a clean sheet in all of those. that scored the most goals in the league. This is their highest ever points, Sally, at this stage of a top-flight campaign, of course. Their goal defence is 19. Their goal defence is nine ahead of Arsenal. It's mad.

24:25There you go, Brighton. Matt, you watch Sunderland-Chelsea because you love a bit of Sunderland. Yeah. Yeah, and it was Sunderland of last season rather than this season that was served up today, which is sort of what got them over the line here. Regis Lebris, one of these managers who've been under pressure and we were wondering whether this would be his last dance as the Black Cats boss. But yeah, he went back to the playbook of last season, up and out in football from the first minute. You wondered if that might change once Granit Xhaka went off five minutes into the game and a young chap called Jules Ahoka, who I was not familiar with before, came on and got booked pretty quickly.

25:05But Sunderland just battered Chelsea in the first half and in particular, Brian Brobby beat up Levi Colwell to the point that he was substituted at half-time and Moises Caicedo was put into the centre of defence in his place. I am likely to face accusations of bias, which I understand, but I did feel that the two pertinent moments of the game could perhaps have gone very differently indeed. I thought the challenge, the double challenge on Colin Palmer, having watched the replay umpteen times, to not want to be just seen as a Chelsea sympathiser, looked on the line to me. I can't believe it wasn't given as a foul, that was absolutely extraordinary.

25:40and then the penalty that was given, Colwell has his shirt being pulled by Brobby and then Brobby seems to... He's been dragged along by Brobby behind him. And Brobby seems to accidentally clip his own heels, fall over and get a penalty, which, yeah, bizarre, but some of them were worthy winners of the game, but they were poor decisions. I feel it's an important point you make. Those two penalty decisions were both contentious and both seemed to damage Chelsea. However, when you're facing the bottom team in the league, you could probably make more than three touches in the opposition box in the first half.

26:12A good way to do that is to start a striker which is what Xabi Alonso didn't do here for the second week in a row. It's another poor result against a team in red and white stripes that Jordan Henderson used to play for before an international break just as the 3-0 defeat at Brentford was before the previous one. And now for Xabi Alonso if you're looking for a mid-term report it's not see me after class but it definitely could do better. Some strange selections. not starting a Stavow after what he did last week seemed unusual against a team at the bottom of the league that have scored one goal at home all season in the Premier League But you would have liked to see what, Danny Welbeck starting?

26:48Yeah, we were talking about this on Straight Out of Cobham the Chelsea podcast from The Athletic on Thursday and our Sam Parking, who was a striker in his day was saying this is a game for Danny Welbeck against the Sunderland centre-halves not against the Pedro Neto who's not going to be able to hold the ball up who's not going to be able to win any headers and so it proved. But having said that, Welbeck comes on and misses a fairly standard chance to equalise right at the end of the game. So not many Chelsea players covering themselves in glory in this game. They were without Joshua Champong, who for me has been their best defender by a considerable margin in this game.

27:23Not because of that, but Alonso went with a three-man midfield like he'd done at Liverpool, Anfield in the Carabao Cup. I'm not sure that particularly works. So yeah, from a Chelsea perspective, a very, very poor performance. bad day at the office. Morgan Rogers missed a great chance in the first half as well. But for Sunderland, keeps the manager in a job, gives them something to build on. Brian Brobby misses a couple of chances, but what he adds to the team in terms of nuisance value is sort of, you can't put a price on that. So they were well worthy of the victory. And shout out to the guys at marketing over there at the Stadium of Light, because it's Sunderland versus Newcastle in WSL 2 next weekend and they branded it as El Lassico which I thought was really good stuff so yeah, good day all around for the Blackhawks Excellent, that's only their second win of the season but weirdly their third win in a row against Chelsea in the Premier League Football Daniel, you went today to Selhas Park to see Crystal Palace take on Liverpool, two teams in some trouble coming into it at least Liverpool have been defeated in both of their, well midweek and also last weekend against Arsenal, of course.

28:31Yeah, it was a strange game. Palace hit the bar early. Liverpool are this weird, chaotic mess at the moment where it looks sometimes like they're not even playing a midfield at all. They started three£100 million attackers and that was enough because they scored first from a set-piece, Schauber's line to McAllister header, which is becoming a thing. McAllister winning headers and scoring goals and then they were able to kind of soak up pressure and hit Palace on the break Palace are terrible at three things finishing chances, stopping the opponents, creating chances and their heads going down as soon as they concede and that at home is worse because the whole place just feels really resigned at the moment.

29:16Liverpool weren't very good I don't think but they were certainly good enough to beat Palace. Yeah a shout out to Florian Wurtz because Iriola's really been defending him about it's not about the numbers it's not about the numbers but it needs to be about the numbers because he's not offering enough in terms of passing through the lines to create chances it's simple passes to create chances and he made a really good run for the for the second goal to finish then basically kill off the game so yeah good value Liverpool but on another day Palace been involved in loads of these games this season they I went to the Newcastle games the same Forest was the same where you sort of feel like if they score first they can control a game but they just give their opponents so many chances so many chances to take the lead they're bottom of the table now yeah is their season as unsavable as a pasquale grouse penalty they're gonna have to i think move pierre sars they don't want it seemingly to sack him yet right but this is the last shot at doing this easily right because then the games come thick and fast and they've obviously got European fixtures as well the squad I mean he's been sold a putt basically the squad just isn't strong enough for European football he said that after the game didn't he he needs to strengthen in the in the winter window the defence is young the defence is young Mateta isn't really scoring goals and is suspended Jorgen Tran Larsson hasn't scored goals since he's got there and started today Eddie Nketiah came off the bench and missed a glorious chance they just there's nothing good enough about the team and there is no rubbish Premier League team this year.

30:57Yes, Manchester City might get enough of a deduction that means they're a cert to go down but other than that, there isn't a really bad Premier League team yet and Palace are the worst of the bunch at the moment. That's why they're bottom. Yeah, you want to do it now while there's still time to sort of bed in a decent manager and develop something for the rest of the season rather than going down the sort of dice route in February. Yeah, and if you forget Thomas Frank or Kieran McKenna or something like that. I would do that rather than stick with PSRs. But that is a club issue because that means that they should have gone, tried to get one of those managers before now.

31:28Because, yeah, he's just, he looks like a guy who just wants Christmas in France. Just let me go back. It's not worked out. My old club is having a wretched time with their new manager. Can we all just kind of wind back six months and pretend this hasn't happened? If only that were possible, Daniel. If I could turn back town. Pineapple Tree Trunk says Barry at Everton is showing how important it is to play your strikers consistently for flow. Granted, well, because older, but he can't be expected to just come on every other game as a sub and score. Yeah, agree. There you go. The other game, Sunday at 2 o 'clock, saw Ipswich take on Bournemouth.

32:02Of course, Bournemouth scored. Of course, Evan Nilsson scored again. That's now five straight Premier League matches. Bit of a nightmare for the Ipswich keeper on that one, though. A, Christian Walton. And the Cherries notched up their eighth straight victory. Although they've now taken two conceding goals, worryingly. They won 3-1 on Thursday at Sparta Prague and it was 2-1 there at Portman thingy, Portman Road? Yes, there is a weird thing going on with promoted clubs and goalkeepers at the moment. Oh yeah. Carl Rushworth's having a rotten old time at Coventry. As you say, Christian Walton is Ipswich's first choice but they bought two keepers in the summer definitely bought one permanent and one as a kind of cheaper option to loan out and Walton's still back in goal and the holes keeper started the season really well and he's gone off the boil as well it really does matter and that can be the difference between staying up and not I would say What was it, nine new managers in the Premier League this season?

33:06Is he doing the best of all of them so far? Marco Rosa? Yeah. Yeah. I would think so. Not the highest on the table, but yeah, impressive. Funny enough, though, perhaps the secret of his success is not making changes because, as we mentioned before, he's rotated his team far less than anybody else. Only six changes to his starting XI in the course of this Premier League season so far. Will it come back to bite them down the other end of the campaign? We simply don't know. Weirdly, that was your Iola's thing. of kind of second half of the season because of the high energy of the football rather than the multiple competitions.

33:43But obviously Bournemouth have got Europe as well. As soon as it's sake, I remember, you know, the sort of consensus is, oh, you must have a big enough squad to rotate Thursday to Sunday. But I remember Nuno at Wolves doing the same, barely making a change. And it was all to do with rhythm and recovery and playing style rather than, you know, chopping and changing, which leads to inconsistent results. Bournemouth tend to always have quite a long injury list as well, don't they? So there's not that much rotation you can do when you haven't had Creepy all season and you haven't got Alex Scott for the foreseeable as well.

34:10So maybe it's hand slightly forced in that regard. True enough. Pork Chop says, regarding Crystal Palace, the Eagle has gone now also. Have they got rid of the Eagle? Because they were asked to. Hesser, I think, had said. Deep Dish Dive says the Eagle has disbanded. Hmm. We'll do the jokes, I think. Blah, blah, Blacklevar. What's a love to you? And also a shout-out to Ollie and Lara. Congratulations. Good. What are we going to talk about next? Hey, how about all the things that happen Friday and Saturday in the Premier League?

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37:17We'll be talking about such things as Atletico Madrid-Barcelona, which is a huge game for the Liga title race. It's happening right now. We're doing this Sunday night, so don't know what's happened in that yet. We do know that Inter, to everyone's great surprise, beat Como today, tightening things up enormously at the top of the city. table because Lazio, the surprise leader, has got held 1-1 by Napoli earlier today. Anyway, we'll talk about all that stuff and what's going on in Germany and France and other things too. Matt, meantime, you're going to be hosting What the EFL. What are you going to be talking about in that then?

37:52We might do a little bit of a round-up given it's an international break coming but I certainly want to, even though we went deep on West Ham this week, I certainly want to spend some time talking about Scott Parker's wonderful post-match interview at Ewood Park. What did he do? yesterday his second game and just completely and utterly broken I mean literally his voice broken but yeah coming in saying even when we was coming in on the bus here I just didn't see one Blackburn fan it was all West Ham and I thought we've got to win here today and they lost 2-0 yeah so not a great start for him but yeah plenty of that Blackburn have responded with a great social media post cutting oh I didn't see any Blackburn fans and then interspersed with lots of celebrations of Blackburn fans after all the goals it's really good wow there's also oh I see Tom Brady's Birmingham are now top is that right?

38:40yeah and rewarded for sticking with the manager he looked like he was a dead man walking for a long time maybe there is hope for Michael Carrick after all ok and Cardiff who were 4-1 down against Burnley but came back to win 5-4 they were 3-0 up against West Ham in the week and had thrown that away to draw 3-3-2 so if you want goals and entertainment South Wales is the place to be Or Old Trafford. At 4-1, singing in the away end, can we play you every week to Cardiff, to then lose in the same game 5-4 is quite a bad vibe because Burnley to Cardiff is quite a horrible card journey as well. Yeah, but Burnley and West Ham, to be fair, on what the AFL sometimes, it's a bit like, oh, these teams are back down from the Premier League again.

39:20What can we find out new about them? They're giving us some great entertainment this season. So, yeah, keep it up, Clarets. Now, anyone here want to talk about Nottingham Forest? Go on, then. Tim, you went along, didn't you? I'll take the Forest chat. Excellent. You saw all sorts of drama. Fantastic girl from Ryan Shecky. But that's not really the story here, is it? A day of triumph for Nottingham Forest. It's a long-awaited day for the fans at the city ground, which ended with Oli Glasner a week on from throwing down a gauntlet to his players. My way or the highway. with him burning it up down the touchline like Usain Bolt.

40:01Yeah, yeah. Usain Bolt. Sally Gunnell, yeah. Yeah, hell of a moment. I'll let the guys talk about what it means for Forrest. But just to be there, the atmosphere was intoxicating. Was it? Yeah, the sort of pitch of the celebration for both the delapsed goals. You can just hear the disbelief in the cheer. It's wonderful. And like I was saying before we started, the mist over the trend. and it was just a beautiful evening for football, football won in many ways, James. And, yeah, I was there to write about City and that was obviously a big story and I did feel they sort of really capitulated and contributed to it.

40:39But a great day for Forrest and a great day for XG after weeks of them being fourth in the table and people saying it was nonsense, it doesn't mean anything, but it does mean something. It was just a little guide to say, look, Forrest can be much better than this. Excellent. the city question is an interesting one but we'll come on to that after we talked about Forrest how were they different after Glastner had said I'm not going to be the nice guy anymore what would change? He certainly did he picked Ryan Yates and I could do a whole one of the totally specials about Ryan Yates oh can I be on that one as well so Ryan Yates the captain who's been with the club for what since he was 8 years old 20 years?

41:22Out on loan, all over the place, scored in the top five divisions of English football, plus both Cups and the Europa League, and still he is pilloried in some quarters. Yeah. Pillory. Somebody who's made the absolute most of the talent that he's been given, completely maximised it in a kind of Frank Lampard way. Right. And because he's quite basic in terms of his skill set, that's been used as a stick to beat him with, whereas I think he is the, you know, it's a kind of be more Ryan Yates is a good mantra to live by. Well, in his skill set, apparently, is oratory. Yes, the best team talk Oliver Glazer has ever heard as a player or a manager.

41:56What did he say? Lads at City? No, I don't know. I mean, I would imagine there was something along the lines of, if we can, because the atmosphere at Forest has been horrible for a while because they don't win games, they don't score goals there. But I think he would have said, it's 5.30. We are the underdogs in this game. If we can start well in it, just wait and see what it sounds like in this stadium for the manager who's not experienced that yet and Liam De Lappe who's not experienced that yet. Well, Matt Luzan's doing my pre-totally show team talks. Nowhere else, but on the back of my head they're going up.

42:28It's like Michael Sheen's just come in. But I mean, that is one of his key roles at the club, right? He doesn't play very much, but he is the glue that holds a lot of it together from the academy to the first team to the staff that work behind the scenes and that's priceless. There's not many clubs who have that kind of figure anymore and it often comes up, But, you know, or maybe Ryan Yates will want to move on in January. I don't think he ever wants to leave Forest. Are you going to go and play for Middlesbrough for a few years and then Sheffield United? And yeah, great. I played every week.

42:56But anyway, that's the Ryan Yates section. And he started central midfield, which meant James McAtee played a little bit higher. The start of the season, I think. Yes. Having come on at halftime last week. So James McAtee played a bit higher and it worked because there was energy and pressing everywhere. And they robbed City of the ball. They didn't let them settle. I thought for the first time this season, the defenders looked like they enjoyed defending. Maria was really good. Giacchini could have been man of the match, given he scored and also blocked a couple of chances. Milenkovic was back.

43:28And the other thing is that Liam de Lapp finished his dinner, which he just hasn't been doing for the last number of weeks. So two rather special goals as well. Yeah. If you speak to Forest fans, they mention the C word. They mention Collymore with de Lapp, because he gets the ball and he doesn't run. He doesn't seem to notice where defenders are. He just runs directly and says, I'm going to be faster and stronger and bigger and better than you. And it will scare you. And Mark Gahey looked completely spooked by it. He didn't even engage him. He just had to let him run. The first finish, I think, is good.

44:02It's on his stronger foot. Donnarumma possibly is a bit low, but it's a good finish and it's a powerful finish. The second one on his weaker foot is a remarkable goal. And it looks the way that it did from the break from a city. And, you know, you can feel, obviously Tim was there, but you can feel the crowd starting to believe from about halfway inside Forest's half that there might be a goal here. And I've so much love for the fact that in modern football, with all its analytics and the incredible level of skill that we see, there is still room for somebody just leathering the ball as hard as they possibly can.

44:37And that resulting in a goal and the release that as a supporter of the team that that player plays for you get from that is something you don't get very often. The other thing I'd say is for the first 25 minutes of that game, it gets unnoticed because he's always like that. But Morgan Gibbs-White was unbelievable at the ball retention and the driving force and the hard work off the ball. The reason that Forrest have struggled is because Glasner thinks they don't run enough. And when you've got Gibbs-White doing that, if you provide him with McAtee doing the running as well and Doi's a bit more of a flair player and a kind of on-the-break pace, it does make sense.

45:11And I think that will be the blueprint moving forward against decent teams. It is only one win. But as Tim said, it was a kind of answer to the Forest just using excuses here. Or are they actually, can they actually be good? And they were good. Okay. How much was City's badness a factor in all of this, Tim? And do you think that this performance shows that they know something's up? Or simply they just don't know what they're fighting for right now? I've written a piece along those lines for tomorrow. Yeah, it's the first time I'd watched them and sort of thought they looked distracted. because they weren't doing the things that they have been doing.

45:44They weren't making tackles. They weren't running at full speed. They're playing the ball straight out of play. How do you explain that? They've got the best squad in the league and they won seven on the bounce to kick off the season. They won seven in a row. So what's happened since then? And I think they had this kind of us against the world siege mentality obviously when the verdict first came out. But when that sort of dissipates, what have you got left? What are we fighting for? and they'll all be discussing this amongst themselves obviously and we're all discussing it and we're all expecting a heavy points deduction so what are they playing for?

46:15Are they playing for the title? Doesn't look like it. Are they playing for Champions League? Are they playing for survival? You don't know. But yeah, exactly and their agents will all be in their ears about that and they'll be planning their own individual exit strategies and I think maybe it's too easy to say but it certainly looks that way on the pitch that they look distracted you know, Marescu wouldn't go into it after but what he did say was that we lost so many duels today. He's basically saying we lacked desire. So why do they lack desire? I think there's an obvious reason for that. One tactical thing I'd say is I think, and it was showed really well for the first goal where Gradio gets, I think he gets caught on the ball.

46:51He doesn't know where his next pass is. And I think when you've got Anderson and Enzo, Enzo, we know Enzo wants to get up the pitch, which is fine, but he has to get the pass to do that. There's so many times in that game where he was wanting the ball, but he was just like maybe eight or ten yards too far away from the player with the ball. And I think Guardiola just didn't know where his next pass was. And they're obviously slightly spooked by Gehi's form, definitely, and by Donnarumma not looking good either. Right. Gehi, there was some talk today about possibly him needing a hip operation. So, yeah, so he came off at half-time for the second away league game in a row.

47:24He obviously got the hook at Villa when he'd made a mistake then, but afterwards, Mareski said this was an injury-related thing and he asked to come off. Okay. and we didn't go into the extent of it. But in terms of those errors, in the Premier League and the Champions League, six of seven goals they conceded in a sequence of really, really bad individual mistakes. Be that Donnarumma leaving his near post open or Nunes missing a cross against Brighton that just comes straight in front of him. And the goals here, yeah, Gavardiole for the first, but then for the second, and Jai and Anderson just leave the ball to each other right in the middle of the park when Forrest are like competing for everything, win all tackles, hammering at them, and they're just like, how can you leave the ball to each other?

48:04And then Gay and Diaz don't run at full speed to close down the lap. It was just really odd. You know, you could say at first, oh, it's careless mistakes in the last couple of weeks. But the more it happens, you have to say it's really strange. We need Maresca to call him out, throw down a gauntlet, then run down the touchline in two weeks. City, you did wave goodbye, of course, to both Rodri and Bernardo Silva, characters who might have brought the team back into games that they were drifting away in. But there are bigger factors at play here. You're right. I did look at them at 2-0 down. The ball had gone out and they're all just stood there.

48:39There was only Diaz sort of waving his arms around. But Mareska was stood silent on the touchline. It was only a little snapshot, but I thought it was very noticeable. No one was talking to each other. They weren't calling each other out. There was none of that going on. So yeah, there's a lack of leadership there as well. That's something that I found with Mareska at Chelsea, that if he gets in a sulk, it's really, really obvious and he can let it override his ability to think, right, what am I doing to change this game now? He just starts throwing his toys out of the bram. Before we move on from this game, it might be one of the great lost goals, but that Ryan Scherke goal was absolutely incredible.

49:11A friend of mine sits in the stand behind where it was scored and on the Forrest Croup chat, we're all declaring our love for Liam DeLat, but he said to see that from that angle was just an incredible piece of skill from an unbelievable player. But yeah, classic no goalie in the world. getting anywhere near that wonderful, wonderful goal. Can I give a tiny shout-out to James McAtee? Because when Liam De Lapp scores his first goal, he runs towards the crowd, and Liam De Lapp is a man who gets booked often. And he runs towards the crowd, and he looks like he's going to jump in the crowd. And McAtee sprints round and pushes him away from the crowd.

49:48And then someone in the crowd clearly says to McAtee, come and see me. And he goes, no, I don't want a yellow. Which is, that's a sort of 4D chess you're looking at. Two former Man City Academy boys, of course, McAtee and De Lapp. So, yeah, he joined the lap like Nicholas Jackson, giving a little, there you go, to Enzo Mareska, a boss who didn't get the best out of him. Forrest on the move up to 16th. It's quite a lot of talk for a team in 16th, isn't it? Arsenal, five points clear, thanks to Saturday's 1-0 win over Hull. It means they've scored one more goal than Man Utd this season. Who have?

50:24Arsenal? Yeah. Okay. That's an interesting... Yeah, it's strategy, isn't it? but nobody five teams have scored more than Arsenal but nobody's conceded fewer and yeah 1-0 to the Arsenal it has often been a thing and they've got an outstanding defence on days like this when they're not quite clicking in an attack they've also got an outstanding plan B for when when Saka's not available Nonny Maduecki whose stat show creating the most chances per 90 minutes of any player in the Premier League this season top five reads Rashford in second place that surprised me Per 90, yeah. Per 90. Yeah. And then Ryan Cherky.

51:02Yeah. Then Savio, artist formerly known as Savio. Yeah. And then Florian Wurz? They're stuck. Yeah. No, Maduweki is good. And Maduweki is good when he starts. He's better when he starts games. His problem is that he will always be a sub for Saka. And actually, I think he's better when he knows he's going to get a run in a team. And he's not having to come on and do everything in 25 minutes. I mean, Arsenal are just going to absolutely walk this thing. 15 points. Walk this thing. 20 points. really? but it's the same formula every week someone pointed out on social media whether they're playing Bayern Munich or Fleetwood or Hull or Everton it's the same every week there's not much going on in open play the defence is imperious and they've only got sort of one or two players who can do something like Madweke something special but obviously you have to admire what they're doing and I think they're going to win the league very comfortably but it's not great to watch it didn't sound or look great at the Emirates again for the second sort of league game in a row against Hull.

51:59Hull get a bit of credit for that too, I think. Yeah, sure. They are a sort of obdurate team to play on their best day. But if Arsenal are going to have the league wrapped up by January, it's a great opportunity for them to go one step further in the Champions League then, isn't it? Well, that's nice. That's nice. I won't dwell on this game much longer, but just to flag up that strange Havertz penalty situation whereby he went down, no penalty was given because he was offside, but then we discovered that he shouldn't have been given offside because he hadn't attempted to connect with the ball by the time that he was fouled so therefore he was still in play for the foul and it should have been a penalty.

52:34The foul against him was before he committed a foul by the in-off side. One of those quirks that you think oh I didn't know that rule and then you think the referees should probably have known that rule. I'm quite glad they didn't though. Ref didn't know it VR didn't know it but Dale Johnson knew it. I mean what honestly what is going on and then you had this this sort of the referee sort of teasing the crowd he's like well after a view that was a foul but he's outside there's no need for that he's good value for Rahel Ham isn't he he's quite new to Premier League refereeing but he was the one who annoyed Pep Guardiola last season was he because he got sent to the screen at the Etihad and then didn't change his original decision so yeah I think we can get some mileage out of him for the next decade or so excellent 1-0 to the Arsenal 1-0 to the Leeds playing Tottenham on Saturday that's their first victory Leeds in six Premier League matches and it was all to do with the substitutes.

53:32Mentioned before, Noah Okafor scoring 97 seconds after coming on, but it came from an assist from Harry Wilson who had also come off the bench. His assist was only made possible by Melvin Bard. I think, having some involvement. I might be wrong about that a bit, but certainly Wilson and Okafor. Boom. Anyway, a bit of a... A bit naughty. A bit naughty. I didn't get sent off for. I quite like Daniel Farker's defence of Bogle, he's more the butterfly than the eagle. Right. Nice. Sounds like a tattoo. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. I'm not sure how relevant that is to the challenge, though. No, not me. He's not that kind of player, but fancier is what he's saying, basically.

54:13Yeah, it was on the line. Yeah, I thought it was all... I hadn't had a huge problem with him not being sent off. Okay. It didn't have any sanction at all, did it? It didn't get a yellow, even. No, it didn't get a yellow, and obviously BAR can't give yellows. Oh, they can't. So them looking at it. Right. OK. Fair enough. As for Spurs, there was a touch of yellow about their performance according to their manager, Roberto De Zerbe, saying no character, personality or courage. It's really on his team, Roberto De Zerbe. It does sort of feel like you need to knock Spurs on the head and say you're 1-0 down at the start of every game and everyone's doubting you and you need to, you know, you need to prove the haters wrong.

54:52and as soon as they get into a position where it's like, OK, we're sort of fine. It was such a, I say, lily-livered performance. It was really, really low-key. And Leeds weren't very good and Leeds haven't been very good recently and yet they let them steal points. There you go. Big win, as I say, for the Yorkshire side. What else happened this weekend? Have we talked about... Oh, no, we haven't talked about Fulham and Newcastle yet. Before we do that, we'll take a very quick pause not in the live show, just for the package version afterwards. And then we'll come back with that in a bit of England chat.

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58:09I can't wait. Yeah, well, enjoy the game and then kick back with some fresh thoughts from the Totally Crew Thursday night. England playing Croatia that night, also Italy up against France. That's another big one. I think Jules is joining. Julian Laurent is in possibly for that, is he? Yeah, he is. So he'll do the French stuff and that. The England squad for that game and the game against Spain afterwards. Was it news that Cole Palmer wasn't called up? Is it more important that Josh King? and hey, Joe Bellingham get their first England Caps. I think on Palmer, you look at the performances of Palmer today and Morgan Gibbs-White yesterday and that kind of answers that, doesn't it?

58:50Morgan Gibbs-White is just happy to be there and will run all day. Cole Palmer, maybe not so much. But yeah, the other ones were interesting. I was a bit downbeat that Josh had jamponked in game but then he missed today's game injured. So perhaps that was why. But I mean, Josh King is somebody who has clearly been on England's radar for quite a while, hasn't he? And deserve for an excellent start to the season in a team that struggled at times. Nonny Madweke can certainly feel hard done by, especially after the stats you were reading out earlier. That's so true. Well, he's been probably the best sort of form of his Arsenal career.

59:26He's playing every week with Sakharata injured and playing very well. So what do you think the issue is? That's a strange one. That's a really good question. I don't know. He's been in Tuchel's squads before. I don't know. It's a withdrawing on Artessa's advice, I suppose, three days down the line. But, yeah, it's good. All right. While we're talking about the news. Oh, yeah. Just a shout-out to Wimborne and Kidderminster, who were the kind of big FA Cup first-round upset doers this weekend. There you go. Wimborne's general manager. Jimmy Glass of that goal fame is now, yeah. Who did they beat, Danny?

1:00:02Wimborne beat Crawley and Kidderminster beat Doncaster, which is probably the biggest scalp. I was at Huddersfield to watch Exeter of League 2 beat the League 1 leaders. There you go. Yeah, there's a really weird thing in the FA Cup whereby League 1 teams basically don't care. And so League 2 teams routinely beat League 1 teams in the FA Cup. I think it's like, well, five out of six this weekend. Really? The other team in the lower league, yeah. Huh. All righty. You'll be running all of that up in your week? Always, yeah. Always. Excellent. Fulham drew 1-1 with Newcastle on Saturday, featuring Josh King, of course.

1:00:41That's now four matches unbeaten for Alvaro Albaloa, the Fulham manager. Ooh, Rodrigo Muniz scoring his first goal in 15 months in the Premier League. Since the open day of last season against Brighton, he went 20 games without scoring last year. I mean, it was a lovely goal. a really sort of impudent little flick into the corner. But he gave a really interesting interview post-match to the club, to Fulham, and sort of spoke of the difficulties he'd had last season. He had surgery on a hamstring, which had him out for a few months. But he also revealed that his wife suffered a miscarriage last season.

1:01:17Obviously, you know, a horrendous experience for him and his wife to go through. Very brave of him to talk about it. He also happily revealed that she's now pregnant again, which is lovely. obviously we'd all wish them all the luck in the world but yeah he said the goal was for his baby and he hopes this season will be better than last year and just you know just shows you you never know what's you know we talk about goal record he's barely scored last season well you know there might be a very good reason behind that Indeed so lots of people by the way getting in touch still on YouTube many thanks for staying with us I'm just trying to find the one that I actually wanted to mention while I have a scout around here the other game that took place earlier in the weekend was on Friday night when Everton took on Coventry and beat them 3-1 to go level on points with Chelsea of course and there they remain Chelsea having been defeated subsequently two goals from Tieno Barry who is now up to 10 goals for this season which is remarkable anything else that we should mention about this game Daniel?

1:02:23We talked about players unlucky not to be in England but I think Kinnan Jusby-Hollers couldn't have really done much more at the start of this season. He's been one of England's best players in the Premier League this season. His work rate is seemingly what every manager wants. He's got quality on the ball as well. Yeah, he kind of does it all, Duesby Hall, and I'm really glad he got the goal at the end because he sort of screamed into the crowds and said, that's been a while coming as well. So yeah, I think he's pretty unfortunate not to be in there. There are so many names, obviously, fighting for that.

1:02:56Not quite number eight, not quite number 10 position, not quite left midfielder, but he is one of them and he's been absolutely brilliant at Everton and he obviously didn't have a great time, you know, more than me, Matt. He didn't have a great time at Chelsea on the face of it. He left Leicester, who I've gone into disarray, he stayed at Chelsea, won two trophies and then got a move to a better club than Leicester. So I think it actually worked out pretty well for him. I watched this game and commentary were pretty good for quite a lot of it. In fact, they were the better team. But David Moyes, did he equal or break the record for most games as Everton manager over his two spells?

1:03:35Equal, perhaps. So he's obviously going to beat that by some way, and it seems unlikely that anybody's going to break that in the near future, given how modern football is. So I wonder if when David Moyes is not a manager anymore, his work will be a bit more appreciated than it is now. It certainly feels like he's got that Man United stank off him, I think, doesn't it? having won a European trophy with West Ham and stabilised Everton when they've been at a low ebb and still in the League Cup, aren't they? Maybe they actually win something this year. Still in the League Cup. And Paddy Boyland, our Everton reporter for The Athletic, I was reading his piece after the game this morning.

1:04:08He says that quarterfinal in the EFL Cup against Fleetwood Town is shaping up to be the most consequential game Moyes has had as Everton manager since they lost in the 2013 FA Cup quarters. I think he's kind of looking at his legacy and saying, I mean, look, a trophy would obviously cap it all off and Fleetwood in the quarters is probably not going to have a better chance maybe to win a trophy at Everton. Arsenal probably thought that, didn't they? That's a good point. Oh, I found a comment. Lots of people talking about De Lapp. Portshop again. Hello, Portshop45. In fairness, De Lapp has been a defender for the last couple of seasons.

1:04:41De Lapp with two goals today. That's as many as he got in the entirety of last season at Chelsea. And maybe given they've been doing more running, we shouldn't have been surprised that De Lapp came to the fore. Oh, there we go. Because deep dish dives on a similar tip did DeLapp do a victory circuit at the pitch after the game. Thomas Callens has always thought the Maresca horseshoe of death football would eventually be found out. Matt, you'll know all about that. It's quite tedious to watch at times, yes. Take a fanatic. Oh, take a fanatic. Come on. Don't think it was discussed, but the Gomez goal today was excellent.

1:05:14If you'd been there at the start, take a fanatic, you would have heard us. It was discussed with bells on. Yeah. Excellent. Do you know what? I think that wraps it up for today's show. Unless there's a game or any major talking point that we've forgotten, or I've forgotten. Don't think so? No? Well, there's a What the EFL with Matt out when, Matt? Wednesday this week. Okay, Wednesday. Before that, you can catch European thoughts on the European edition of the Totally Football Show. And Thursday night, as mentioned, we are live, all the way live post-England Croatia. Croatia. Woof. Daniel, your column is out in the eye tomorrow morning?

1:05:53Yes, and then I've got a piece on Exeter on Wednesday. Exeter. Calling them the most important football club in England. Why? Because when AFC Wimbledon sell their state, which they will at some point, they'll be the biggest fan-owned club in England. And if they can't make it work, then that model dies and something in English football dies with it. Oh, my goodness. And they won and they're happy again and they're over their financial issues and there were 300 people who travelled 550 miles back for Huddersfield away in the FA Cup on Saturday. Brilliant. Olly Watkins got them over there, financial issues?

1:06:27They will do. That payment from Saudi Pro League has not come through yet. You may or may not be surprised to learn, but this will help. Yes. Because they had a clause on it. Yeah, they thought they'd already won the Ceylon bingo when he went from Brentford to Villa and then he went from Villa to Al-Hilal. One of the yells. all right there you go many thanks for that thank you for coming in today daniel pleasure thank you to to matt davis adams and tim spears to benji and producer charlie in the booth everyone who was with us either on youtube or in podcast format thereafter i do hope you'll be joining us again soon for now from all of us here it's goodbye

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