Arsenal strike late at Forest…and are Brighton in the title race?

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2:04It's the Totally Football Show. Today, Arsenal with the worst performance by Gunners at a forest since Dick Cheney went hunting. But the champions get the win eventually. Elsewhere, seagulls without equals as they blow away eagles. Their city looking charged up with their seventh straight win. Villa's man's Zambie apocalypse. And even the cottagers with a win. Lots to discuss in this Totally Football Show.

2:55I was hoping to see potential title contenders. Yeah, well. And I might have done, you know. Do you think? Well, you know, most goals scored. Palace? Joint fewest. Oh, Brighton. Next season's championship. And then, yeah, Brighton. Yeah, very good. Yeah. All right, we'll talk more about Brighton. JJ Bull. Hello. You didn't watch Brighton. No, I did not. I instead watched a great game between Leeds and Manchester United. Yeah. And then you followed that up with the ever so exciting Nottingham Forest. Arsenal, which Daniel Story joins us. He's back at his, having recently returned from the city ground.

3:31Let's see if we can actually hear Daniel. Hello, Daniel. Hello, James. Alright, that's often a bone of contention for folks who follow us live on our Sunday night YouTube performances. But I hope you're getting Daniel's story loud and clear, because you won't want to miss a single word of his Premier League analysis. You didn't get to see Brighton either, did you, Daniel? No, I did the double of Leeds versus Manchester United and Nottingham Forest Arsenal. The latter game was worse, but only because the two teams hated each other in the first game and treated each other with respect in the second.

4:08But yeah, not a great Super Sunday, I would say, for me personally, but I'm not the story. I hear you. I hear you. You actually called Forest Arsenal the worst game of the season, perhaps. We'll discuss that in a second or two, but allow me to just have a quick romp through the results so far. It started on Saturday. No early goals this time for Chelsea, but they did manage to end Everton's unbeaten start winning 2-0 at the Hill Dickinson. Emi Martin is though picking up a fractured jaw. He'll be out for a while. Elsewhere on Saturday, Liverpool were 2-1 winners at the GTEC, bringing Brentford's unbeaten start also to an end.

4:43There was a first victory for Fulham, 1-0 versus Hull, who now haven't won in five. Not only are convicted fraudsters Man City still playing, but they now won all of Maresca's first seven games in charge. We'll certainly be celebrating that record for ages. Aston Villa continued their excellent recent form with a 1-0 win at Newcastle. On Sunday, Bournemouth got their first league win under Marco Rosa, beating Sunderland 2-0. Brighton beat Palace 5-0 to go second briefly. It was 1-1 between Leeds and Man United. and Arsenal stayed second but top for some people, depending on how you feel about life, with a 1-0 win, a late goal from Maduweki to take them three points from the City ground.

5:28On Monday, the still-winless Spurs take on a commentary side who've had back-to-back victories. Follow that with interest. We begin, though, with Forrest Arsenal. This is the Totally Football Show with James Richardson, part of the Athletic FC Podcast Network. Excellent. Forest Arsenal. So, Daniel, Arsenal scoring with their first shot on target in the 80th minute. What was the problem before that then? Was it superior Forest defending? Forest were far better at the back than they were at South West Park the week before, for sure. But it was really a result of Arsenal's slow play. They scored three first-half goals in the league this season, and two of those were on the opening night against Coventry when they looked electric, moving the ball around really fast and they basically just stopped doing that since which is kind of hard to explain not least because Morton Gibbs Wright was missing for Forrest and therefore there was far less of a counter-attacking threat for them to be worried about.

6:27I was just really disappointed with them. Eberber Echeze was brought off at half time he was dismal he just didn't even try and take on a man. Pakai Asaka was fought pretty well by Nico Williams given he was on a yellow card for 80 odd minutes and yeah it's just a they're finding a way to win which we keep saying is you know we've always said about Arsenal kind of mark of champions etc and so on but they are already champions so we thought that might be liberating in a way and they're playing more tight than they were last season they failed to score in six successive first halves the absence of solace is pointed out as one of the issues and that they don't really have a natural replacement as he tried that didn't really work out not a Maduweke coming in does he give them a quantum of solace?

7:14Well, Madiwaki's more of a winger. So you get, you can, like, you see when Arsenal in their average positions are all really heavily weighted to the right-hand side. So you get like Havertz and Saka, all of them, Odegaard, all tend to lean on the right-hand side. And it's just like two random ones out on the left in their side. So the winger's job is to hold width. And so if someone like Madiwaki can go past someone on the outside, makes it really useful tactically, I think. And so even though, like, I mean, I love Eze as a player it seems to be working for him just now Arsenal it's a bit of a shame but he likes playing the middle so obviously you hold him wide he's not as good because he wants to go inside so he's not going to be able to be as effective as those so Madiweke makes sense there so yeah it must be rubbish for Arteta having to take Eze off because he must know how much he wants to be good but it just keeps not happening it's not because Eze's not good but it might just be a small tactical fit that's not quite there Alright was he good when he first arrived last season?

8:04I think so he scored some big goals for them as well. There's always this theory that Eze comes alive towards the end of the season. OK. He gets on the team at the end of the season. That's when all the goals start to come. I think I did a video about it and I used to remember the stats for that that backed that up but not anymore. OK. Just rely on that being true. The general sensation is yeah, end of season player. OK, good. Hey, Forrest at the end of this game had at least three big chances to get an equaliser, Daniel. Yeah, that's the story of the season. Unfortunately for them, they have now gone eight hours without a goal at home, which is suboptimal in the extreme.

8:39They do create, it's not just missing chances, which they did at Palace last week, and this was more about final ball. So they break away and either Liam de Lapp gets caught up by a defender or Chris Wood takes an extra touch or Murillo does everything like a striker apart from the finish, which is a central defender on his wrong foot. They were as good as Arsenal. They were effective on the counter after the break. I thought they would sit deeper and deeper. They didn't actually do that. but again it's just one mistake I mean the substitutions kind of changed the game and Arsenal brought on Giocares and Marino and Timber who just had a lot more energy Sangari came on for Forrest and I thought was probably at fault indirectly for the goal because he's slow on the edge of the box and that's been his start to the season as I say no Gibbs-Whites they lacked a little bit creativity but same old for Forrest they are now I think still third in the XG table they're creating chances they just aren't finishing them and then they're generally getting punished by the first big chance that the opposition creates, which today was almost exactly true given that Arsenal scored their only shot on target.

9:4062 shots for Forrest at home this season without scoring, Tim. Yikes. Yeah, I mean, obviously they defended so well in the first half. Every time Arsenal ventured forward, they were getting two, three, four players around Deze and Saka and the rest and sort of forcing Arsenal to go wide and try and set pieces. But I just, I don't know, the way that they troubled Arsenal in those last 10 minutes by showing a little bit, I know it's so hard you're playing the champions, but they show a little bit of attack and adventure and pace and you see a troubled Arsenal. It's cut them apart with that Wood chance.

10:09If Wood can just knock that out of his feet, that's a great opportunity to equalise. I think we should also pay tribute to Madweke. I thought it was a really good goal because you look at him sort of lining up Munoz and you're thinking, he's obviously on his left foot, and you're thinking for all the world he's going to the byline. Even the way his body was shaped, it looked like he was doing that. And then just a very quick step over, in on his right, shot and I know it takes a deflection and it's in but I just wasn't expecting to do that at all, it was very unexpected, he obviously did for Munoz you get a bit lucky with it but no one else is doing that on the Arsenal team, no one else is sort of taking those risks like he did so yeah, I thought he did really well with that.

10:47Excellent, Virgil Burton says Arsenal's misfiring attack will be their undoing sooner than later. Possibly this Tuesday is it when Arsenal will be travelling to Munich to take on Bayern in the Champions League actually it's on Wednesday still I think the point holds what do you think? Well that's the kind of game you get to actually see how good they are really because they're playing against the real special ones like when they played PSG in the Champions League final last year and then you suddenly see like oh right now I see what they should be up against because the Premier League the standard is unbelievably good the teams are all quite similar in style and so when you play against different teams who are amazing but also have different style of play.

11:27I think that's quite interesting. All right. Teams like Brighton, perhaps, who Arsenal recently faced and beat them 3-0. Brighton today were 5-0 winners against Crystal Palace. Tim, as you were telling us briefly about before, tell us more now about this extraordinary performance that saw the Seagulls race to a 3-0 lead inside the, how many opening minutes? 10 minutes. Opening 10 minutes, they were 3-0 up. Yeah, against, you know, their sort of fierce rivals. I can't imagine them all per perfect 10 minutes as a as a bright fan particularly for that third goal right they knocked it around for a minute and 20 seconds their fans are singing with swear words so i won't repeat it just how bad crystal palace are and then at the end of it they go and knock in a third i mean you know and they're heading for second the table at the time right that's the third goal do you maybe want to touch on the second goal at all so yeah diego gomez with the furthest strike for a goal from the Premier League since Wayne Rooney's from the halfway line nine years ago.

12:26It's sort of epitomised where Brighton are at right now. Struggling teams don't even try that. He receives the ball just by the centre. He's in by the halfway line. Yeah, Wharton gives the ball away and Boscagli picks it up and passes to him for a great assist and then he sort of knocks the ball out of his feet but it happens very quickly. It's not like one where the keeper's off his line and he's like give me the ball, give me the ball, the keeper's off his line. he literally just gets the ball looks up to see what's ahead of him because there's an opportunity for a counter-attack sees the keeper of his line but the trajectory of the ball it's not you can't even call it a lob it's a ping which is just above the keeper's head Benitez was the keeper Henderson was out for Palace he's not scored since March apparently but it's the kind of thing you don't try when you're a struggling team or a struggling player but just epitomise them they're so incredibly full of confidence The place is absolutely buzzing today.

13:21And they're fully merited for a 5-0 win. I mean, Palace absolutely capitulated. Didn't help by scoring a non-goal within three minutes from a set piece. But Brighton, I have to say, pretty flawless with everything that they did. It could have been more than five. And it's a backup beating Arsenal 3-0 for the international break with that. It's sort of scarily good, to be honest. Here comes Daniel's story. I was going to say on Brighton I was a little bit worried where the goals would come from this season because it was kind of Welbeck's stick in that regard last year but it does seem as if they would have never forced Welbeck out of that position but removing the focal point sent forward in hindsight it's really Brighton in that you don't want one person to be there you want these zippy little regen attacking midfielders you've not heard of one minute and you think who's a top 10 Premier League player the next.

14:18They are so good at that kind of nipping and dipping into space and picking up pockets. It's just impossible to defend against because everybody's constantly moving on and off the ball. And Welbeck was brilliant, but he was a kind of still point in that plan last season. And now they're all moving, so they're even harder to defend against. Beyond that tactical shift, is there something else that's different about Brighton this time around? Yeah, absolutely. So last season, they scored 14 goals from set pieces. 17th in the Premier League for goals from set pieces scored 9 already this year they're top of the set piece table I was looking at their team early on they're so big so I sort of googled each and every one of their team they've got 7 players over 6 foot which is obviously not it's obviously been done on purpose they've just got so many strings to their bow they're all renowned for the technical brilliance which of course they've still got and they can pass it around for fun but they can also be very direct They've also now got this height option from set pieces.

15:18Pascal Grossi's deliveries are absolutely astounding. He's in the complete form of his career. You've got a really nice mix of experience with him and Luis Dunk at the back. And then you, you know, Vuscovic at the back. He's a teenager. He came from Spurs. He came from Spurs. Why would Spurs let him go? I think, well, they've got Van Hecker instead from Brighton. And, you know, to Daniel's point about recruitment, you know, they've done it again, Brighton. They've lost their spine in the summer. They didn't just lose Welbeck. They lost Beliebo midfield and Van Hecker at the back. to rip out the spine and probably improve it from what we're seeing.

15:48They've got Andres in midfield, who I've not seen before, young Spanish midfield, they look technically very good. And yeah, they've got this real nice mix of experience, which you need in gross and dunk, and then these teenagers. They obviously work tremendously hard. They press. There's just so many different angles of attack. They haven't got a squad to keep it up. They haven't. Well, it depends what their ambitions are. Tony Bloom is saying top five is sort of what they're looking at. they were already six points clear of sixth and with probably a bit of room for improvement from some of those players they have European football of course contend with JJ what do you think?

16:23I think they can easily finish Champions League spots like they're more than good enough like the recruitment is they've signed like to Daniel's point about Regens they've basically done what you do in Football Manager when you sign all the good young players but who actually can play right now and because they don't have so much pressure like the big clubs like Spurs for example get Van Hecke in because he's ready right now in the Premier League and Vuscovic which probably might be when you think of it. He obviously looks fully ready when he plays now. He's been fantastic. But you don't want to take a risk of your spurs.

16:50But Brighton can afford to have, there's less pressure on them. So they can bring young players in and give them time and rotate them. They give them loans to make sure they're ready and they learn the sort of things they want to be able to apply. Like tactically, if they want to be able to press in a certain way, they put them to a team. So when they bring them in, they work straight away. And I was reading, I think there's a piece by Adam Bate about Brighton. And I think it's worked really well. having that experience core of Duncan and Jason Steele and there's someone else there as well because it's quite a cosmopolitan like lineup of the squad there's lots of very different players in very different places they keep that core of it so it still feels like a Brighton team it's very easy for teams to lose their identity of what the place is and that's definitely one of the things but the other thing they do is they have a lot of the ball they dominate games with the ball a lot but they press insanely high they've got the best numbers or the best the lowest numbers for PPDA passes per defensive actions Right They're pressing them So they win the ball closer to the opposition goal If you go back and watch any of their goals you'll see there's quite a lot of them that they score from just like stealing it off someone in the box Like I remember the one where did Joe Gomez go to that he stole the ball of?

17:57It was Aston Villa There was a team there was a couple of games anyway where Yeah that's right They're just pouncing on them they attack the ball turns over then they're just instantly there and it's so aggressive it's so well organised it's a really well coached team with really great recruitment and it's a really well-run club. And this is what you get. Danny, is there also a change in mentality? Brighton used to be a team who, for example, would put together some lovely results and then just when you expect them to really turn over a team like they did against Palace, they somehow wouldn't turn it on.

18:25Are they a more ruthless side now? I think they have more options. I think that in previous seasons, two things. Firstly, they have ever since promotion have been really poor at finishing chances, like conversion rate from shots to goals and underperforming xg and that sort of thing that seems to have been reverted stupidly to the mean this season everybody's scoring but I think it's just having options you've already got I think three players have scored three league goals or more you've got three more who've got two you've got two other players who have scored it's it's just really hard to know like if one of them doesn't well you're kind of watching one of the players to make sure he doesn't hurt you there's two others you know pick in your pocket at the back and that's really hard to to defend against i would also like to say another goal for jack hinchelwood today for our he will score 12 goals this season party so good on him excellent they're also quite direct just just to say you know we think of them as that they sort of pass their way through things but that for that third goal they were passing it on their own half for a minute and then all of a sudden the keeper goes long to the right wing gomez six foot wins a header little one two across two last and then plays inside and it was a yard yeah a lot of switch pass as well like the diagonal across the pitch where it opens up teams all the time so with that and with the set pieces there's so many different ways to score hence why only Barcelona think have scored more goals in Europe only Barcelona have scored more goals I've just looked at expected goals numbers and I've just discovered there are expected goals for Brighton maybe it doesn't include today so maybe a bit updated well before today it was 12.9 and the actual goals was 23 oh so outperforming their XG slightly yes yeah Well, other numbers, they've had six straight victories.

20:06Their last four wins have all come with clean sheets, but 14 goals for the Seagulls. This is a terrific run of form. We mentioned the fine win against Arsenal. They've got, if we're talking about how realistic a contender they might prove to be, they've got two big tests coming up. They've got Liverpool away next weekend, after which they go to the Etihad to face Man City in the League Cup, and then they face them at the weekend as well. So depending on how valid or not those fixtures may prove to be, those are tough tests for any footballing team. Yeah, but honestly, this performance in the Arsenal, it's the kind of thing that makes you just want to buy a ticket and go and watch them.

20:46Do you know what I mean? They're so fun. So yeah, of course, they'll have a difficulty against Liverpool. But if they perform to the sort of standards that they hit today, albeit in an away game, they'd go to Anfield and win, I think. All right. All right. We shall see. Daniel, should we save your prediction on where Brighton will finish until after they've completed those two arduous fixtures? They will finish fifth. There you go. All right. We should say how dreadful Palace were. Well, I was just coming on to that. I'm sorry. No, not at all. Because while the Seagulls, before any of those fixtures, will be heading to the Czech Republic to take on Zablonnik, Palace are going to be in Besiktas.

21:25And I was thinking it's a good time for them to be in Turkey when they've just had a stuffing and have Sage. But maybe they won't by the time they go. How do I follow that? Maybe they won't because Pierre Sarge, to pronounce it correctly, is once again seen as teetering on the brink. I mean, yeah, well, many more sort of results like that, and you'd think so. They were far too open this week. They weren't necessarily too open here. They just shot themselves in the foot with an own goal from J.D. Cambo straight away and then it was his deflection for the third as well. Their afternoon was summed up by Jefferson Lerma trying to clear the ball.

22:02He's right near his own corner flag, right in the corner. Tries to clear the ball with his right foot but it bounces off his left foot just as he's about to hit it with his right. So he sort of then he hits the ball into his other foot and he goes directly behind him for a corner. I think they're already 5-0 down at that point and that's when you just pack up and go home. They've conceded 17 goals in their opening seven Premier League. matches that is their worst for 45 years even in the times of frank de burr he didn't do as badly as that concerningly for pierce sarge is the news that two of his predecessors patrick vieira and roy hodgson both lost their uh positions with palace shortly after defeats to brighton so we shall see there doesn't seem to be a lot of love lost between the manager and the club that recently decided to employ him.

22:54So watch that one with interest. Of course, they both had European action last week when Brighton beat Kaunos Algaris from Lithuania 4-0. So they're piling on the goals, whereas Palace lost 3-2 at Lyon in the Europa League. Anything else on Brighton Palace or should we round up the other two games from Sunday afternoon? Rounding up now, sir. First of all, at Ellen Road, 1-1 between Leeds United and Man United. JJ. Yes. Kind of an old school game, would you say? Kind of. I think those two teams were very, very evenly matched. I think Michael Carrick has changed some aspects of how United are playing.

23:42It looked kind of weird at some points. Almost like rather than having a formation, they just had players in different positions, which I guess does make a formation. But if you bear with me, they were always pressing like a 4-2-4 shape and there was a lot of ways that teams were manipulating them and just managing to have loads of space to run into I think Spurs in the first half of their day was a great example of they got I think who's it said they got out-tacticked Sam Allardyce said that so that happened to them I think and it's a lot of, like tactics is one part but you have to do the hard work too and then players not tracking their men and just like really basic kind of errors that were allowing Spurs to get a lot of good with them.

24:19But Leeds here, Leeds were super aggressive super physical no one likes playing against that they made it kind of stop-starty sometimes because they're like properly smashed into players but there was something quite 1998 about the game and I think it was alright it wasn't the best game you'll ever see but a draw is definitely I think a fair result Daniel anything you'd like to add? I was a bit disappointed by Leeds in the first half I thought they'd win the game beforehand and I thought if they scored first they'd win it comfortably but they almost seemed to sort of play the occasion a little bit.

24:52I think that JJ pointed out the kind of smashing by hitting his fist against his palm. And that's exactly what the first half was in an action. If LA Leeds felt the need to imprint themselves upon the game, whereas actually, I don't think they did. I think they can be better than Manchester United, particularly at Ellen Road. So almost, I don't know, I wonder if they just kind of concentrated on the physicality of making a mark a little bit more than they did on passing around Manchester United, which is what, as JJ says, is what other teams have done recently. They were better in the second half, and bar Man United kind of applying some pressure in stoppage time, Leeds were dominant in the second half, Calvert-Lewin was finding space, finally holding up the ball.

25:30I just thought they were a bit, yeah, a little bit bitty in the first half in a way that slightly disappointed me. OK, two fine finishes in that game, Bermot for the opener for United, and then Dominic Calvert-Lewin later on to earn the point. Man United are off to Lake Como. in a match that will pit Michael Carrick against another Premier League midfield legend, Cesc Fabregas, in managerial terms. Just to say, there are plenty of fixtures that make you feel incredibly old for various reasons. It's normally the age of players whose dads were played in the Premier League, but Michael Carrick versus Cesc Fabregas in the Champions League as managers is definitely one of those.

26:16Excellent. Bournemouth beat Sunderland 2-0, getting their first victory under Marco Roser. These two teams were 6th and 7th last season in the Premier League. They came into this fixture 19th and 18th. Yikes. And a bit like the Brighton game, this match was over as a contest pretty early on when Bournemouth went a goal up and then a man up as well after Kevin Dancer was sent off for denying Evan Ilsen a clear goal-scoring opportunity. We didn't see this game because we were watching other matches. Well done Bournemouth anyway. Yes, but there's another thing with Sunderland. I think a lot of people started to predict this at the end of last season.

27:03Because they were over-performing last season in underlying numbers. They were definitely doing a lot better than they actually were. Even though when you watched them, I thought they were really decent last season. the problem is this season is that they're going to have well they have European football and so the idea would be that that would be a problem for them dealing with the midweek games it changes everything, changes your whole training regime and how often you're in your house I suppose, that must make a difference at some level and so because they're now out of their house more they're more tired, different beds and this season they're now underperforming their expected goals numbers and underlying numbers so it's a it's going back to the mean Right, regressing to the mean and not stopping there, going on beyond it Yes, so it looks probably worse than it actually is but the problem with that is that once you're down there then you probably act in a different way because you're less confident and that's when it becomes bad Right, almost like a kind of self-feeding vicious circle Exactly Spiral of misery It all adds up to four defeats in a row in the Premier League for Sunderland Tim If you're a fan of sort of wildly contrasting XG figures for one particular match then Bournemouth's was 4.3 today and Sunderland's was 0.07 Yikes If you're a fan of stepovers as well you'll have enjoyed this game and it's probably been a while since you've really enjoyed a good stepover in a football match because they faded a little bit I think from fashion, however when Alderetti gifted Evan Ilsen the ball and he honed in on the Sunderland goal he executed a lovely vintage set of stepovers to bamboozle to Sunderland keeper roofs and then put it away.

28:43Did you appreciate that, Daniel? Yeah, I had kind of shades of Ronaldo versus Lazio in the UEFA Cup final. Oh, is that where you go to? Yeah, all right. We were in here with our guest producer, Xavi, who's stepping in for producer Charlie, who's not well today and he's really not well, poor thing. And it's his birthday as well. Happy birthday, pretty Sicily, and get well soon. But the example we were thinking of was Mancini, the Brazilian who Roma had, who back in the kind of late noughties, there was a Champions League match against Lyon. Do you remember that? When he did, there's a glorious, look it up by all means on YouTube, particularly if you're a stepover fan.

29:22He basically does a kind of marching on the spot thing, but with stepovers. And about five or six of these later, the defender is about to fall over with dizziness. and then top near corner. That was made better because Mancini was kind of quite stocky and short, wasn't he? So it looked more cartoonish in a good way. Indeed. Indeed. All right, well, very well done to Bournemouth and hope for better things for Sunderland. They've both got European action as well this week. Sunderland are at Lech Posnan, while Bournemouth... Ooh, Bournemouth are hosting Ruben Amarim's Milan, who all of a sudden have started to put together results.

30:01but we shall see because it's been quite an up-and-down season so far for the Rossoneri, but what a great match. Yeah, it reminds me of when Portsmouth played AC Milan and Ronaldinho was at Fratton Park. That's got a sort of vibe about it, hasn't it? No offence to anyone. Well, at the time, everyone was like, will Milan ever have seen dressing rooms like this? But if you've been to a Serie A stadium, you'll know that. They've seen much, much worse. Anyway, let's move on to Saturday's action, which we very much did watch.

30:38This is the Totally Football Show, part of the Athletic FC podcast network. The Athletic is the only place you can read articles by Daniel Taylor, Amy Lawrence, Phil Hay, James Pearce, Oli Kaye and the very best football writers around. Saturday's action. Oh, before I get into that, on Tuesday, we'll be bringing out a brand new Totally Football Show European edition. We'll be talking about Milan, what they got up to at the weekend, another victory for them, talking about all sorts of things. Mainly, I suspect, we'll be getting excited about match day three of the Champions League because on Tuesday night, it features possibly the four favourites, at least going by the bookies, facing each other because Bayern, as mentioned, are hosting Arsenal and it's PSG against Barcelona.

31:22Any other standout fixture? Did you see Luminiumar's goal this weekend against Real Betis? Barcelona with a win, of course. I think, was it 5-2 they beat them? Another bucket load of goals. It was 5-2. In that game, it was a brilliant goal, Daniel. Did you also see the Gio Los Celso goal, which was sadly ruled out by a referee with a dustbin for a heart? I would watch a compilation of several hours long of the greatest ever disallowed goals. That would be right up there. Yeah, it's a kind of sort of swinging. I initially thought it was an overhead kick because the angle is so far away in the stadium.

32:05But it's a sort of swinging scissor kind of... Yeah, it just kind of... It reminded me of that goal where Thierry Henry against Manchester United flicked up to himself and then kind of kicks it as he's turning around. It's like that. But it went with ridiculous power and, yes, was disallowed by a Killjoy official. Boo. All right. Anyway, more on that sort of thing in the European show on Tuesday. Tim, you went to the King Power yesterday for Leicester against Doncaster in League One. Yeah, why not? Why not? Yeah, no, loads of reasons. I didn't know one else going. You can answer the question of whatever happened to John Lundstrom.

32:40Yeah, scoring volleys from cleared corners, a stunning goal. Oh, yeah? Very much. For Leicester? For Leicester, sorry, yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I went to watch Russell Martin get sacked, but he didn't.

32:58But yeah, no, it was actually, do you know why it was a really interesting afternoon? Because there's such a sort of culture war going on there at Leicester. With Russell Martin in particular, before the weekend, he'd won four of 31, stretching back three seasons with St. Ampton in the Premier League, Rangers at the start of last season. And now Leicester, who 10 years on, and they are sick of the 10 years on shtick by the way but 10 years on from winning Champions League matches they are now well they were one point above the League 1 relegation zone going through this weekend and Martin seemingly on the verge of the sack and this very predictable culture war about his teams having 80 % possession but not winning matches and he's been having confrontations with fans and there's a forum on Leicester City forum website called Martin Out which stretches to 192 pages and there's one the positives of Russell Martin which only has 8 pages which just, you know What's on those 8 pages?

33:52Just a nice guy he dresses very well, which he does Is it a big font or what? So yeah, anyway after saying to this fan that's been viewed 3 million times on Twitter, he had this argument with a fan who called him out after a game and said how much he hated his football and Martin was like I'm never going to change, but he did change yesterday he went 3-4-3 for the first time this season they had 54 % possession which is incredibly low for one of his team and they won 2-1 so he just kind of maybe turned a bit of a corner at a very depressing King Power, I haven't been since they were relegate from the Premier League and empty blue seats everywhere silence, even the amount of scarves on sale and burgers on sale completely chopped in half there was only like 10 media there, used to be absolutely packed it's very sad seeing it all but hopefully until the owners move on it probably won't change too much but hopefully they've turned a corner for now wow hell of a story really hell of a story Tim not the one you went for but maybe something better JJ you're on your travels you're heading off to is it to Manchester I'm playing a gig in Manchester with Goldie Looking Chain on Thursday with Goldie Looking Chain are you the eighth member now no no I've been on I've been their support act for the whole UK tour apart from several gigs where I'm not one of the ones in Wales and stuff and I've got oh right why I've been all over the UK because they've got I don't know they've got I think the Welsh John Mouse is supporting them for some of the Welsh gigs he's great as well yeah we've only got four dates left with him I've done about 15 so far it's been amazing big venues love it the greatest draw specialist in Sandoz is Bournemouth yes yeah absolutely yeah so if you live in Manchester come and see me on Thursday and if you live in Edinburgh Glasgow or Middlesbrough you've got the 27th 28th of November All the details are online.

35:41If you would come and see me play that, it would be fantastic. I'd love that. Excellent. Excellent. All right, so Manchester, there's always, hey, speaking of Manchester, City played Ipswich on Saturday. Quan says James begging it with the Man City comments. I don't understand that terminology, but the gist of it I get. Don't talk about them if it's such a problem. It is such a problem. Do we talk about them? Do we not talk about them? They won their first seven matches in a league campaign for the first time since 1897-98. And the first time I think anyone's ever won the first seven matches under a new manager.

36:18It's almost as unprecedented as the other thing, which they did recently, which is, you know, the reason why I don't know. Anyway, they did that. Erling Haaland scored. He looked like he was limping a bit as he went off. They've got AK Athens in the Champions League. Hey, Boadi came in, made his first start. He looked good, didn't he? yeah just on Harlem I think Morescu said okay he's okay okay I mean he might get rested for the Champions League midweek but possibly back next week he scored for eight games in a row he's got 12 goals in those eight games those goals have earned City seven extra points he also scored three for Norway in the international break he scored 58 for Club and Country last season and I looked at the I'm not an advocate for betting in any way but I just thought I'd see you know who the favourites are for the Ballon d 'Or and he's 50 to one to win the Ballon d 'Or that's nuts Do you think he should be right up there?

37:09Yeah, 58 goals last season. He's just a machine. Why do you think that is? I don't know. Kane's record is fairly similar. Maybe Kane has more of an all-round game. Obviously, Haaland didn't win anything last year. It's the all-round game thing, I think. It must be. Because it's just like finishing off moves. It's because he doesn't do any of the sexy stuff that becomes highlights. It's just constant lethal accuracy, this clinical finish. It was pretty sexy his first goal. He hits a volley so nicely. His movement is amazing. It's like a really nerdy thing to watch. But if you watch the way he double moves and even the way he jumps back a couple of yards just to give himself separation and then charges the ball, he attacks everything perfectly.

37:50He's like a robot-built striker. He properly does everything exactly how you're supposed to. And because he's massive, it seems almost unfair that he does that. Daniel, you're doing your Monday roundup in the I, the I newspaper. What's your approach with City? I think caveat in a way that is pretty obvious. I mean, the headline on the piece tomorrow is going to be that them winning the first seven games of a league season is a huge headache for the Premier League, who threw no fault of their own because they pursued them diligently and to the full extent of their ability. But it's a nightmare scenario for the Premier League because not just for fans of every other club, but if you're going to advertising and marketing meetings towards the end of this season and the leader of your league has been proven to have cheated a pending appeal, then it's a complete migraine for everybody involved.

38:45But I don't think there's anything else we can do. You can say you want to apply the sanctions now pending the appeal. It doesn't really work. You can say I want to suspend football. That doesn't really work. So we are where we are. I think I'll caveat any praise in a way that I wasn't able to do before the verdict came out. Can I just ask, Dan, you might have the answer to this. Why can't they hand the sanctions down now? Is that the due process? Well, they're still deciding them, are they not? Right. So, yeah. So, I mean, in a legal case, for example, if it was a custodial sentence, then pending appeal, people can be kept in prison.

39:23So you can apply sanctions before. But in a sporting context, it just makes it even more complicated. So if City, for example, were, let's say they deducted 40 points this season, which pending appeal, and then that appeal runs into next season and they win that appeal. Then you just get counterclaims because, well, we should have won the league last year. And it just gets even more messy, I think. So I think that's right. It's just there's no good solution now, because if I'm a Manchester City lawyer, I want to drag out this appeal while my team's top of the Premier League. Right. The Premier League can always choose to eject them, vote to eject them if they are dragging the case out.

40:00I think it would seem quite an extreme. No, is that not right? Well, yeah, I don't think that's up. It'd be quite an extreme thing to do. Yeah, from everything I've heard. The gist is that we're expecting there to be a decision on the sanctions around about January, kind of start of the new year. That's how long the next independent body, the one that's deciding on the disciplinary measures, is due to be taken. And the appeal, I think, is happening at the same time. Anyway, you know, that's where it is. and we'll just leave them there for the moment. Oh, Chelsea. They went to the Hill Dickinson.

40:41Everton dug in for the opening minutes of the game and got away with it, but they weren't prepared for the opening minutes of the second half, and that's when Chelsea struck with Pedro Neto. Then added a second for a 2-0 win. For Xabi Alonso's side, in this game, did the entertainers, do they get a bit more serious? What do we make of Chelsea's performance? Yeah, I think they're getting better each week. I think without having properly rewatched anything and really looked into it, I think having Kayseri back is obviously massive, but him and Henderson, just having players who run in midfield properly and they're really busy, but they're also disciplined and they're also very aggressive.

41:22If you're playing football at any level, you don't want to play against people who are aggressive because it's annoying. you don't want someone who's like who will easily take you out but then it's also so good they can drive half the pitch and open up the defence with a through ball and they've got those two there and that's been a big difference in terms of how they're managed because the problem they had last season was a lot of discipline issues because they're a very young squad and so I think Alonso's tried to fix that I mean he was targeting players like Xhaka and stuff like that so older heads who can basically be the manager on the pitch and so yeah that seems to make a difference First clean sheet in nine months.

41:59Daniel, if you're feeling old watching Carrick and Fabregas on the bench, at least you can feel young watching Jordan Henderson still running around on a football pitch. Emi Martinez won't be doing any running around for a bit. Poor chap. A fractured jaw is what he picked up in that clash with Brantway. Very best wishes to him. I was just going to say on old Pedro Neto, the match runner here, it's his 187th Premier League appearance. It's the first time he's scored two goals is that right which I find remarkable when you look at his when you look at his numbers they're very modest you know 23 goals in 187 and 36 assists wow I mean he's 26 now he's coming into his prime but I would say you know Chelsea have had so many wingers in the last sort of three years when he's been at the club that he's sort of outlasted for a variety of reasons you look at plays like Madweke's gone Gittin's not really around now Garnaccio went Sterling went Sancho Estevão's now barely barely playing he's sort of you know um uh a sub for a few minutes here and there so he's the one constant which you have to give him sort of credit for he's the least heralded of that attack behind palmer and rogers and jad pedro but i think what i would say with him since he's been at chelsea anza mareska's style didn't really suit him he's more of a sort of counter-attack player realizing that burst of pace and then xavi alonso has been playing him all season but he's playing him a wingback primarily but now he's been further up the field i think they played more of a 4-2-3-1 on Saturday, which I think suits them, gives a bit more balance.

43:28You've got the two sitting there with Corsedo and Henderson. And then Neto, further forward, definitely where you get the best out of him. And two sort of really nice finishes. And having less possession suits him as well. They only have 52 % possession at Everton, which sort of reflects the style that they've got this season. So yeah, his numbers need to improve, but he's having a good season so far. Okay. Thomas Cannon says, I still think Rodgers should have been sent off for that tackle on Ghana. Look nasty. Know what you're saying. as for Everton as they picked up their first defeat of the season comms mentioned the commentators mentioned the fact that James Tarkovsky who picked up a yellow card in this game has now received 73 bookings in his Premier League career without ever going on to get a red card in any of those matches that is an incredible statistic is it not Daniel?

44:18Yeah it is and it's a massive compliment as well it's one of those statistics it's not just like a oh that's interesting like it's brilliant it shows that he is very very capable of managing a game in a certain type of situation and is incredibly dependable doing so it's like one of those niche statistics that I suddenly would think that's the one thing I want for my centre-back because it proves so many things it proves things like concentration decision making you know level-headedness um you know you might say 73 bookings is quite a lot but he's been around for an absolute age, Tarkovsky, and he's not that quick.

44:53So when you're one-on-one with a quick striker, sometimes you have to take a yellow. But to be able to manage the game otherwise, I'm just really, really impressed. He has been, ever since Moyes came back to Everson, he's just like a perfect Moyes manager. He was really good under Sean Dyche at Burnley. He's really good under David Moyes at Everton. He's so dependable. He's never going to play for England again, but he's just kind of a Premier League stalwart now. I really like James Tarkovsky. Agreed Chelsea host Tottenham next Saturday while Everton travel to Arsenal Be an interesting game or not or not I don't know because teams like Everton are the ones that can shut Arsenal down by just locking it up then they have to try and open it up and then last season they relied on set pieces but like Brighton are scoring loads of set pieces Arsenal aren't I'm not sure they've scored a corner this season or anything so like the way they were able to have so much possession last season and squeeze teams in meant they could then score from corners but like that's not really happening now and so we need to find another way to do it and Everton all David Moyes teams are very well coached and like Everton specifically are that and they know what they're doing like against Chelsea they've got a good mix of players like Tarkovsky like very you know cunning and like know how to manage a game but Grealish was like outstanding I thought in this game he was so good like carrying up the pitch bringing people into play if Barry could finish then they'd be a lot better off I like him as a player but Thierry Birobarri as well that game seems like it's a 1-0 Arsenal from a corner 78th minute Gabriel with a goal, something like that Alright, we'll see you next week Meantime the other side from Liverpool are Liverpool of course, and they were 2-1 winners away at Brentford, they are the first team to beat the Bees in the Premier League this season I think in any competition actually but how much was this game about that headbutt and was it a headbutt?

46:53What did everyone think? Tim, where do you stand on the butt? I mean, I've never seen a red card like it in terms of he's staring at the ref the whole time. It reminds me of like someone committing a crime but while staring at the CCTV camera in the corner as you're doing it. You know, he's like, he's watching it and then, all right, it's not a headbutt but he does sort of, you know, flick and nut him while he's staring at the referee. It's so bizarre. I thought he disguised it brilliantly until you see the replay from behind, but yes, yes. Anyway. Can't argue with the red card. I don't think so.

47:31Okay, so Brentford were actually a goal up at this point, and then in the second half, Liverpool make their man advantage count with, first of all, Victor Munoz, who's been one of the bright kind of spark things, whatever the word would be of their recent transfer policy. And Isaac, who I suppose would be another and is on a good run of form quietly. Yeah, I think Munoz and Ungamore have been like the standouts I've seen in the forward line when they played. Barcala had a really good chance to score in this one, put it wide. Just thinking. And all these players like Barcala is obviously an outstanding player.

48:10I always think players like that just are much better when they play in not English football because they've got more time and space and not everyone's massive. And I think that they can get lost and we don't get to enjoy lovely players that often until they get massive themselves, they can deal with it. But like, you know, Barca and Wiertz, well, Wiertz especially, it's just nowhere near it this season. So Wiertz in this game created nine chances from open play. Debate raged on the internet, as it is wont to do, about how important, how significant that is, creating nine chances from open play.

48:43Was he better or not? No, he wasn't better. He wasn't better. yes he did create nine chances from open play he set up Munoz's goal yeah yeah but then Munoz runs 40 yards cuts in on his left and then buries it in the bottom corner like I'm yeah I used my eyes and he he wasn't better he was also playing against a team with 10 men who were sitting deep so he had more time on the ball than he gets I don't think you know the results suggest improvement for Liverpool I didn't think they were very good at all um but yeah I I didn't think it was from neither from verts nor liverpool i didn't think it was instructive about the future the only thing i did think it was instructive was a it was nice to see munoz cut inside on the left foot and use that he didn't look particularly comfortable with it this great finish and izak's was a really smart finish because the ball was slightly behind him and he's still got power on it so yeah they are good things but now i didn't think like great he created some chances okay fine but he wasn't very good okay engamer was was really it was ideal for him right and he could just sort of run at them and he just does that so well he's so fun he's so positive yeah so full of trickery and you know they got a little bit lucky because it was fring pong he sent on at half time and okay they took advantage of their misfortune with a good so but it's fring pong he went off was it six minutes after he came on so areola short of what well i think joe joe gomez was probably the obvious option to come out right back but instead he puts munoz to right back engamo further ahead and it's sort of all out attack um so that was a good change from from Eriola but I agree with the guys other than Engamo and a couple of others.

50:14Yeah, you're looking at the 300 million Verts, Barcola and Isak. It's just not clicking. Well, Isak is scoring goals. Only Erling Harland has got more in the Premier League so far this season which has crept up on me. I don't mind saying. There's more bad news for Eriola in the shape of injuries with both Frenpong as you mentioned and Zlobberzlai on the hamstring list. so could be a week or two before we see them again we'll take a quick pause and catch up on the other games including Aston Villa's victory away at St James' Park

50:57You're listening to the Totally Football Show with James Richardson now with you four times a week keep up to date with us on Insta and enjoy us in glorious Technicolor on YouTube at The Totally Show Saturday evening saw Newcastle beaten 1-0 at home to Aston Villa. I'm old enough to remember when Aston Villa had sold off all of their good players and Unai Emery was a busted flush and the wheels had come off Villa basically. And now look at them. What's going on? What's going on, Daniel Story? What's going on is that Matthias Jasler is a busted flush and Newcastle sold all of their good players and now they're in trouble.

51:35it's fine we just just passed the buck um Villa were really good Manzambi is hit the ground running in a way that I wasn't sure he could he had that really difficult combination of World Cup hype plus arriving with an injury and a big fee for a young player with no experience in England and they're kind of all of those are huge barriers to first season success and yet he he has been success already he looks really dynamic he looks like wants the ball there's no hiding um so I was really pressed with him Newcastle have got huge problems because they spent 250 million pounds on players this summer and like three of them so Bamba, Torre and Yawan uh cost like 90 million and I think they've only played about 150 minutes Sean Sturr was magnificent uh in the last game I watched him against Hull and he hasn't got on the pitch since I just feels really disconnected the whole thing like the decisions being made off the pitch the kind of promises of biggest club in the world but without really matching that in anything they do and now the manager is clearly fighting fires because they look quite easy to create chances against and they're playing Pardo Fernandes Pardo is a striker because it seems like he wants to be a striker but he just doesn't look like a striker which means this is playing as number 10, that doesn't really work the pass are all around the back but then there's just a long ball forward and nothing really happens.

53:00The press isn't working. It's going wrong pretty quickly. Wow. Since the start of 2006, no team have lost more Premier League games than Newcastle, not even Spurs, Tim. Since the start of this calendar year. Oh, I think you said 2006 there. I was like, that's pretty harsh on your eyes, though, going back to when you are. but yeah so they've conceded more goals than any team this lost more games yeah they've also conceded more goals than any team in the Premier League this Canada year two clean sheets in 23 no clean sheet at home in 16 in all comps so if you're going to do that you need someone prolific to stick one end at the other end and they don't really have that and they didn't really have any sort of attacking sort of consistent patterns of play here so how did they start the season so ebulliently I don't I mean I don't remember I've just seen them a couple of times the last couple of weeks Dreadful, I mean they conceded four at Coventry, four at Leeds But this was arguably even more concerning really When they had one shot on target all game from a defender Visser had seven shots, not on target And I just, you know, whether Yaisler sort of lasts or not I'm not sure they sort of have the players in that squad to really turn it around You don't really see loads of bench options that can come in and solve the problems that they've got At both ends of the pitch, you know Well, they've sort of pivoted the strategy to do what Brighton are doing, trying to find those sorts of players that they can maybe do a job, but then maybe they're not deemed ready yet, whereas at Brighton they are.

54:32Or like Manzambi, who they were interested in, they choose another club like the one that he punished them with this weekend. Well, yeah, that's the kind of thing. I think also there's so many managers and players who want to play this. It's always called vertical football, just like constantly forward, press, press, press, be the more intense, be the most intense. And it makes you more open. So if you don't do it correctly, you're relying on creating chances by doing that. And there is definitely still a world in which you can just keep the ball and try and create it by playing with the football rather than trying to constantly do the geg and press thing.

55:04And I think that's the thing I've read a lot of Newcastle fans talk about is that it just seems very hectic and it doesn't seem to also be good. I also think Brighton and Newcastle are such different sort of clubs. you're going to get time at Brighton whereas at Newcastle obviously the fans rightly so they're very passionate up there they're right on your case it can be a hostile atmosphere it's not a great place to sort of bed in a lot of youngsters in one go whereas Brighton you're going to get a bit more patience I think as well it seems like not too far away from what Eddie Howe was doing already and we started to see some of the problems with that as well when he was there and it's like the same thing always it's kind of one dimensional and there's no second part to it and I think that's what they've come up against Just to move us on, Martinez, FCB, has what they call a fun stat ahead of Monday's fixture, which, as you recall, is Spurs against Coventry.

55:57Tottenham are the only team in England's top five divisions yet to win a league game this season. 115 of 116 have won a game. Mark Harris says 115 is a good number this year. Thomas Cannon says even Wigan won. Crikey. Fulham are certainly among the winners now following their victory on Saturday at home to Hull, who themselves have now not had a victory in five matches. Fulham in this game, Saturday against the Tigers, completed the most passes by a team not named Manchester City in the Premier League this season. Who saw Fulham? Who was impressed with Fulham? Daniel, I'm coming to you. Yeah, they were better because they were more controlled.

56:40I do think that Hull allowed them to be more controlled. I was pretty disappointed in Hull. Having watched them a couple of times this season, I thought they'd kind of come with that high energy, nothing to lose, go down swinging sort of attitude. They didn't really do that. They tried to contain Fulham and it didn't really work. Hence the stat about the passes that Fulham made because there wasn't enough pressure on the ball. And they also conceded a poor goal. They didn't close down Alex Wobbe. The ball gets in the near place. I think the keeper probably should save it. It just felt like the first time I've watched Hull and thought that you really look like a promoted club, which is a compliment to them because we're two months into the season.

57:19But yes, they were disappointing. Fulham, they just needed the win. I think if they hadn't won, there were already whispers about, we've heard about players potentially being unhappy about Abelhoa's methods and some of his team selection and his style. It was a must-win game and they won. So in that regard, great. I think we're going to just see the season. normally it takes a couple of months for us to work out where everyone is. I think we could be in January, February before we really know how the cookie is going to crumble this season. It's going to be so bunched up after the top six or seven.

57:49And I think the gap between that and the bottom one or two is going to be probably smaller than it's been for a long, long time. Brilliant. Look forward to that. Total confusion, lack of clarity. Love it. Love it. That's what we bring on a Sunday. Excellent. So one more game to go. as mentioned it is Spurs against Coventry which is on Monday evening Tuesday morning the SOT football show returns with this European roundup and then Wednesday because it's a Champions League week there's an extra show rounding up the Tuesday night games which as we mentioned are absolutely huge Bayern against Arsenal and PSG against Barcelona and loads of other ones that will probably be really good as well for now though that's it for today's show so many thanks for following us thank you Tim Spears for being here and JJ Bull and Daniel Story thanks to guest producer Javi who came in at short notice to cover for the sadly not well producer Charlie and get well soon to him thanks to producer Jake thanks to everyone lots of love we'll be back with you soon on Totally Football Show from all of us here it's goodbye

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