Can USA + Scotland qualify after Canada’s historic day?

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2:38Canada rock when they play Qatar. 6-0 in Vancouver but lose Ismail Kone to a broken leg the Swiss on a roll as they get out of neutral with a 4-1 win over Bosnia and with Mexico becoming the first side to put their place in the last 32 it's been a big day of action Thursday night in Los Angeles very much Friday morning in the United Kingdom this is totally at the World Cup on board today we have that Tom Williams and Duncan Alexander hi to you both hello James hello Tom's been down to the sofa today check out a bit of the action there Switzerland against Bosnia Hesnagvina Duncan you and I have been marvelling at the host nations who continue their unbeaten run like a parasite I love strong hosts so it's great to see them all progressing apace and Parasite of course which was named best film at the Oscars in this here town right a Korean film that was a win for Korea I mean it's should we just should we call it a day at that have we picked too soon let's call it a day I'll read out some results and then we can get your moment of the day and then we'll hear what actually happened out on the football fields of World Cup 2026.

3:44The results though, eh? It all began today with another contender for worst match of the tournament, Czech Republic against South Africa. Duncan will be giving us his thoughts shortly. The game then in Group B that Tom went to, Switzerland against Bosnia-Herzegovina, 4-1 for the Swiss that. Then, all sorts of drama in Vancouver in the other Group B match, Canada 6-0 winners over Qatar. but what a terrible looking injury for their Ismail Kone. And it finished off with the game down in Guadalajara as Mexico beat South Korea 1-0, as mentioned, booking their spot in the knockout stages as group winners already with a game to spare.

4:24Remarkable stuff. Let's get a moment of the day. What do you say, Tom Williams? Going to go for Johan Manzambi's second goal for Switzerland against Bosnia and Herzegovina, the game that I attended at SoFi Stadium. Switzerland struggling to break down obdurate Bosnian opposition. Fairly sleepy encounter until this guy comes on in the 72nd minute. Within two minutes, he's smashed in a volley to put Switzerland 1-0 up. He then adds a second to make it 3-0 at the culmination of this lovely sweeping team move. No look pass from Granit Xhaka, who was tremendous from start to finish. Cross comes in from fellow substitute Ruben Vargas and Manzambi Sidefoot's home, making him the youngest player in World Cup history to score two goals in a match after coming off the bench.

5:20And had Granit Xhaka not somewhat selfishly insisted on taking the Swiss penalty at the end of the game, he could have become the third youngest hat-trick scorer in World Cup history as well. But not a bad day. Not a bad day all the same. A star is born. OK. We'll hear about your thoughts about the Swiss in general after an impressive performance from the Cantonares, as I like to call them. Duncan, your moment of the day. Yeah, my moment's a less stylish moment, I would say. It was in Canada's thumping 6-0 win against Qatar. It was the fifth goal. Al-Mannay, a terrible day for the Al-Mannay sphere because Sheffelberg had a shot and it was going wide.

6:04but he was in you know you can see him there he had time to control it he had time to maybe kick it out of play cipher it out of play what he actually tried to do was launch it out of the stadium and it sliced off his foot into the net and those are the best kind of own goal when a defender could do any number of different things with the ball but somehow conspires to just thunder it into their own net shades of Wayne Hatswell for the own goal heads out there yeah look it up if you're unfamiliar it will be Wayne Hatswell Second, Wayne Hatswell in the FA Cup a few years ago, my personal favourite own goal of all time.

6:39All right. Similar. Quite the same sub-genre. Chris Brass, I think, is the ultimate when he... Yeah, it's hard to do better. ...he kicks it into his own face. And breaks his own nose. I think so, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yikes. But... If you're after a goal line clearance that did work, curiously, the same day of action brought an absolutely magnificent effort from Edson Alvarez in the Mexico-South Korea game. Look at this. This is pure Cannavaro from the Nike advert circa 2006. Or van der Ven, maybe. Or also van der Ven. And some people would point out that... The flag went up for offside, but, Duncan...

7:11But using my VAR-approved eyes, I think it would have counted. Okay. Had it, et cetera, gone in and all that in a random other dimension. We mentioned the Athletics' latest innovation, that Duncan now has got eyes equipped with VAR. I think everyone knows about that. Line-drawing technology. It's quite painful. Now, cats out the bag, but worth it. the sacrifice I'm going to get a quick comment now or in fact two many thanks to everyone who's written in and by the way if you're following the show on YouTube I believe it's traditional to say smash that like and subscribe button believe so yeah let people know it's not like a transfer window when you have to slam it shut you can just press it click it options of how you respond are available but it's always nice to get your response Sunshift says excited to see how deranged these shows will get in week three or four of the tournament whatever keeps you tuning in sun shifts i think it's welcome crowds go crowd polize yeah says uh-oh first win in 36 years at the world cup and austria don't even get a mention who was on austria duty yesterday um before yesterday yeah but we were going to talk about it yesterday it's a time zone police it is a time zone thing an unfortunate nine o 'clock kickoff uh kraut if i can call you kraut says please make good on this disgrace by doing an extensive preview of the argentina match when they play austria and an even more in-depth review if we win or get a point i'd really appreciate it if you showed us some love we might not be around for too long in the tournament either tom knows just how you feel the thing is that game happened straight after we did the podcast that was a joke Tom that was a joke thank goodness yeah that happened straight after we did the podcast two days ago and we we did say at the time we were going to do it the next day and I'm really sorry because what with England and the other thing that happened yesterday the whole Ronaldo Portugal thing well we didn't and that's not good enough anyway tonight and contrary to Portugal Austria's aging number seven talisman did turn up and score a goal so makes you think It does, doesn't it?

9:24Anyway, what can we offer you tonight? Lots of groups A and B, and it starts off next with Canada. Ladies and gentlemen, Canada 6-0 winners today against Qatar. Their first ever World Cup win, Jello Kajal writes in and says, Hey Jimbo and everybody, I was lucky enough to watch Canada against Qatar in person. So I can say I've watched 100 % of Canada's World Cup wins ever, and also 67 % of their World Cup goals ever, because they scored six, and I think previously they had one. Yeah? Three. Three. All right, with the mass, Duncan Alexander. Anyway, it was an absolutely huge victory, the greatest result in Canadian men's soccer history, but one overshadowed by that terrible injury to Ismail Kone, who we hope he's okay.

10:13Bravely, as he goes off the field after a tackle that left him with a broken leg, he's saluting the crowd and giving everyone a thumbs up yeah in all the photos he looks positively chirpy but I suspect the fact that he'd been given oxygen and medicine presumably quite large quantities explains that but I mean yeah good to see him giving the thumbs up and smiling but you only had to see the reaction of his team the reaction of the guy who committed the foul he looked completely distraught as well I see Madibo yeah who was distraught and then dismissed by the referee he'd been I mean arguably their best player in the Canada's first game against Bosnia-Herzegovina yeah he'd been fantastic I mean he is you know on paper one of their stars they're missing Alphonso Davies because of injury Jonathan David showed up today with his hat trick but Kone is another one of their their key men so yeah that'll be that'll be a big blow he's somebody who's I'm not quite sure how to put this in conjunction with his injury but his promise hasn't quite shown through and club level and that led to a really unpleasant incident when he was at Marseille.

11:19Yeah, I mean, when I think about him, it's the first image that comes to mind. So he joined Marseille in the summer of 2024, the same time as Roberto de Zerbi and typically Marseille signed a bunch of other central midfielders at exactly the same time. So he didn't really get much of a look in and at the end of that season, which culminated in OM getting automatic Champions Z qualification, they released this slightly indulgent multi-part documentary series. And in one of them, we saw him having this training ground clash with De Zerbi, who at one point decided that he wasn't satisfied with Kone's level of investment, sent him from the pitch.

12:02And as he was walking off the pitch, De Zerbi is shouting after him, yeah, go call your agent. You know, go and cry to your agent. A needless piece of provocation. And that was him out of the club. And that was basically the end of him. Yeah, I think he left in January. Now he's at Sassuolo, I think. That's correct. Yeah, yeah. He's done well, actually, this season. Well, Bessa wishes to him for his recovery for next season. And on to Canada, who scored another three goals without him today. By this point, Qatar, of course, had gone down to nine men with Madibos shown a red card. They'd already lost a man after they'd gone 2-0 down.

12:35And we'll run through the goals because there were some choice moments in there. it was let's see oh it's Karl Lahren who got his second goal of the tournament the first goal of this game early on and then another championship goal very true Jonathan David then began what was to become his hat trick yeah the first one it was sort of cleared and he lashed it in and you could sort of see the relief because if you remember he missed a missed a penalty at the last world cup and I think that weighed pretty heavily on him particularly as sort of you know the poster boy for Canadian strikers at least.

13:10He becomes the first Bell and Sebastian song to score at the World Cup, which was always good. Didn't see that coming. They also did a song called Power of Three, which he also kind of matched by scoring three goals. Excellent. They complete their entire discography in some way. That would be quite a feat. Over the course of the tournament. We can but try. Then Qatar go down to 10 men for a red card for a denial of goal-scoring opportunity. Jonathan David gets his second of the game then we see the injury and then Canada just really open up against a really under understrength Qatar's side six goals David becomes not only as Duncan mentions crucially the first song by a Scottish indie pop band to score a hat-trick at the World Cup but also the first Juventus player to score a hat-trick at the World Cup since?

14:05Paolo Rossi 18-10 Correct! Back in 1982 First player from a host nation to score a World Cup hat-trick since? Geoff Hurst Geoffrey Hurst Right And also level with a certain Leo Messi for the golden boot in that particular hunt And it's the first time a non-European or South American country scored six in a game The number of stats about this match is quite remarkable And it launched what we can only describe as an Alan Pardew-esque gif of Jesse Marsh. I think after the second goal, kind of like a moonwalk, but with a sort of arm movement as well. Incredible the extent to which Jesse Marsh made himself or became a talking point after this game.

14:47His team won 6-0, broke all these records. His star player scored a hat-trick. His other star player got stretched off with a broken leg. The opposition had two players sent off and yet the Alan Pardew coded boogie and in particular the post-match beef with Hulain Lopetegui became major talking points. Jesse Marsh's fault. There had been a certain amount of friction, as you can imagine, after the Kone injury. When the full-time whistle came, and possibly inspired by his touchline celebrations, Hulain Lopetegui came over, put a hand around his shoulder, not a particularly friendly one either, and gave him a piece of his mind, upon hearing which Jesse turned around, held his hands up and wandered off, kind of saying, I have no time for this.

15:32It's happened in the Premier League, isn't it? There was a manager who came along and told someone, was it Mourinho telling someone to just tone it down when he was getting thrashed? It was Mourinho. Maybe Lopetegui was saying, I was surprised that West Ham went down and Leeds stayed up. And Mars was like, I'm not having that. Nathan Saliba, who'd come on for the injured Coney, by the way, scored the first direct free kick of the competition, then held his fingers up in a figure of eight in memory of his injured teammate. and at the final whistle, in happier moments, held up Kony's jersey to say we're thinking of you.

16:07All right, so... A free kick that went in off the post, if I'm not mistaken, continuing the run of... Post-related goals scoring. Post-in-off goals scored at the tournament, which we've been enjoying. So Canada, in general, a team who had never picked up a point at the World Cup before this tournament, have now picked up a historically large win. how do you rate their chances? I mean that's basically them through to the last 32 all but certainly no? they've got a more than 99 % chance I'm pretty sure they're through so you're saying there's not a chance they're not going to have Kone for the rest of the tournament they should have Alvanto Davies in maybe when they get to the knockout stages they're the best player so that's good who are they likely to get last 32?

16:54so most likely as it stands per the athletics projection model, South Korea, 28 % chance. And that would be in Canada, presumably? Yeah, if they win the group, they stay in Canada. And last 16 for Canada, I think, you'd have to say would be a successful tournament, given their pedigree. If they don't top the group, Canada, they will be playing their knockout game in Los Angeles. And that outcome really depends on what happens in their next match, which is against the Swiss. We'll talk about them very shortly, because they also had a big win today. Qatar, though, for all their misadventures today, they're not out of it, are they, Duncan?

17:30No, they're not, because they played Bosnia in their last game, who, let's be honest, yes, I know they knocked out Wales, but they're not that good. And Qatar got a point in their first game. Four points will get you through in third, because there's going to be lots of groups where the third-place team ends on three. So, yeah, Qatar, ridiculously, given how bad they were today, and they lost 6-0, still got a reasonable-ish chance of getting through to the knockouts. So that's something to look forward to. Indeed. All right, well, it's Switzerland up next for Canada. Switzerland also had a big victory, albeit one that thankfully went without a horrific injury.

18:07Their win was 4-1 against Bosnia. Tom, you went along to see this at the SoFi. What do you think? I had a better experience at the SoFi this time around. I wasn't all that complimentary about it. But not for the first 74 minutes, though, eh? Yeah, the game was quite a sleepy one. And, you know, in Switzerland's opening game, they dominated Qatar. They had 3.2 expected goals. They went ahead early on through a Briel and Bolo penalty. But then they didn't build on that and ended up getting caught out with a bit of a sucker punch in stoppage time that allowed Qatar to equalise. On this occasion, they had a similar level of control, but either through imprecision in the final third or just stout Bosnian defending.

18:56They weren't creating chances either. Gwanec Jaco was superb again in his kind of midfield string pulling role. And then Murat Jakin made a triple change in the 72nd minute. And two of the players who came on, Johan Manzambi, who I mentioned previously, and Ruben Vargas, were the players who turned the game around. It took one error. Amar Memic, Bosnian midfielder, didn't quite get enough purchase on a clearing header. The ball dropped for Manzambi and he scored with a beautiful volley. Bosnia then had a man sent off, Tariq Moharemovic, who had been excellent throughout. Last man foul on Mbolo.

19:36Mbolo then teed up Vargas for the second. Manzambi scored a very nicely taken third. Bosnia did get a consolation. And then Jacka made it 4-1 from the penalty spot. So I think on balance, it was deserved. Bosnia had their moments. Edin Dzeko started today, was quite quiet. But every time he was involved in an attacking sense, things happened. But ultimately, on the balance of play, I think it was a deserved victory. The young fellow Manzambi, who a lot of people flagged up as being one to watch from Switzerland for this tournament. You spoke to him afterwards. So, yeah, 20 years old and really broke into the Freiburg first team last season.

20:13they of course reached the Europa League final lost to Aston Villa he scored a goal against Braga in the semi-final big things expected of him I don't think he started the first game he might have come off the bench but made a huge impact today and had Xhaka not scored that penalty he might have claimed even more of the headlines but I think all in all it was a pretty tidy day's work and I was asking him whether the fact that all these superstars have turned up at the tournament in recent days your Mbappé's, your Haaland's, whether that had inspired him. He said, oh, you know, I can't say that it inspired me, but we've been watching all the matches and doing something similar to Mbappé is pretty cool.

20:53So that was quite nice. Did you list Harry Kane when you mentioned Starz? I didn't get on to Harry Kane, no. No, sorry. The Welsh agenda in your journalism continues to underline it. It wasn't top of the list. How seriously should Canada take the Swiss ahead of that key match-up in the third set of matches? Yeah, I think they should turn this. I mean, Switzerland are a very sturdy team who seem to go into the same tournament, or seem to go into every tournament with the same group of players. Ricardo Rodriguez, somehow only 33, despite, I'm sure, having played at the 1990 World Cup. But they're now grafting on these exciting younger players and Manzambi is one of those.

21:35They'll be buoyed by this. Four points, they're unbeaten. They've got the wind in their sails a little bit. So yeah, you've got two teams going into that match full of optimism, full of momentum. Could be one to watch. I mean, in a sort of statistical curiosity, they've both racked up Switzerland and Canada over 5XG in their two games. Which doesn't, it's not the best tribute to the quality of that group. And it does feel like the host, the groups with hosts in, they're not the toughest. And that's fine. What are you trying to say? No, I'm not trying to say anything. I'm just saying that's good.

22:12Progression is the name of the game. It certainly is. It's one of them. That's Group B. What happened in Group A today? Well, there's a quick visual confirmation on how things stand. Canada and Switzerland who will face each other next time out. Both on four points. Bosnia and Qatar slugging it out. Possibly to catch up with Switzerland, but more likely to try and get in as one of the eight third-place finishers. Huh. That's Group B. Next up, Group A. What's on your football bucket list? A European night at Anfield? The North London Derby? Seeing the San Siro? We're sampling some German football culture at Bayern Munich.

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25:12Mexico the first team to qualify for the round of 32 and they're through as group winners in group a after their 1-0 win over South Korea on Thursday evening that's the gentleman who scored the goal Romo who capitalized on a bit of a howler bit of a mix-up from the South Korean keeper Kim Seng Yu and he said Seng Yu Seng Yu very much no one likes to see the trianda treated so carelessly and Romo agreed by lashing it into the net. Romo who courted controversy in the days leading up to the game when asked how much Mexico wanted to win this game he said and I paraphrase a little bit well we're not that bothered actually which is bold and frank which is silly right because now they've won the group and we should explain they've won the group because it goes to head-to-head first so South Korea are the only team that can catch one point but I can't catch one head-to-head Mexico get to stay in Mexico now until the last 16 I think what Roma would respond perhaps is that he did his talking on the pitch and Mexico get the win Duncan did they deserve the win?

26:26well they got booed off at half time which is not a great sign for teams um they were better in the second half they don't look brilliant but as we've mentioned a lot of times you know starting off great isn't necessarily the best thing they look they've got clearly got a lot of talented players they they'll grow into this tournament i mean we are with england's result yesterday and this result we are hurtling towards that last 16 game between england and mexico in the azteca which what has to happen for that to occur? So if currently as it stands, most likely for Mexico would be Ecuador, which I think you'd be close, but you'd fancy them.

27:04As it stands for England, it would be DR Congo again, probably fancy them. Tom might not. So yeah, then it would be, you know, reminiscent package of England in the Azteca and Mexico. 40 years on. Yeah. Peter Reid's phone ringing. Exciting times. Peter Shilton fumbling his phone into the bin. Yeah, getting out jumped by a man. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it already. The romance. I want to have a word about the kit. We can see the lovely Mexican one there. Strong. Not pictured. Shades of that. I act that kit from a couple of seasons back. How do you feel about the lovely mauve, lilac? Lilac. There aren't many national teams that can pull that colour off but I would include South Korea among the ones that can.

27:50Right. What other countries have played? Notably, Fiorentina will sport lilac or viola for them at the drop of a hat however not many national teams to my mind have ever headed to that end of the spectrum yeah I guess kit manufacturers are probably worried about fans not liking it you know dreaded lilac wine famously that's what kit manufacturers worry about just talked over my joke Duncan anyway there you go Mexico that's a good outfit they are through to the last 32 and there was much rejoicing excellent well done everyone in mexico the other game in this group was as we mentioned back at the start one of the candidates to be the worst one yet this tournament was the czech republic against south africa it was early on thursday morning it finished one-one both teams effectively had to win this game didn't they danken yeah it was um it was mutually assured destruction really it wasn't it wasn't great the funny thing was it started off in blistering fashion with the fastest goal scored yet in this tournament might be stretching it slightly but yeah chafing fashion yeah yeah five minutes five minutes and eight seconds in boom someone's already on the score sheet who is it saddly after some quite extraordinary south african defending yeah i mean it came from a long throw so if your thing in life is the czech Republic's going from long throws this was a great start but yeah South Africa were pretty bad for the first 70 minutes I'd say and then woke up they started and finished really strongly yeah they did they probably should have won it in the end got a penalty McQuaena tucked it away looked at the corner he was going to put it for ages like in a proper double bluff and the keeper fell for it and died the wrong way and then did a Cristiano Ronaldo celebration, but not the Cristiano Ronaldo celebration.

29:52It wasn't the two nonsense. It was quiet, peaceful repose. Perhaps in tribute to the quiet, peaceful repose that was on display from Ronaldo in his first appearance at the tournament. When does that date from, Tom? Can you give us context? It was at United, second time around, I think. He didn't do it very much. I think the urge to do the whole is just too strong. okay well the good news for the czechs despite that late equalizer is that they will be facing mexico next time who will have absolutely nothing to play for while south korea are up against south africa in a bitter battle to try and make it out of the group anything you want to add about that game duncan was it as bad as everyone said i mean i feel bad saying yes and maybe it was because it was the early game for us here in LA.

30:43Probably didn't go down that well at prime time in Europe, I'd imagine. But, I mean, it's the World Cup. I think we've got to cut teams some slack. And, you know, a bad World Cup game is better than a good non-World Cup game. Well, perhaps. You said it now. As a wild generalisation, I can't see any problems with that. 28 % by the way, the chance of the Czechs getting through. How many? 28. 28 % for the Czechs to get through. even with an opponent playing at 100 % dead rubber? Yes. Does the model factor that in? Yeah, of course. No one knows everything. I don't question the model. There's plenty coming up on Friday you'll be delighted to know in the World Cup.

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34:10Fans of Anagram's score bugs will be excited by Friday night's big game as USA take on Australia. In Seattle it's the battle for top spot. In Group D the Stars and Stripes of course secured a 4-1 win over Paraguay on match day one while the Socceroos were 2-0 winners against Turkey. Paul Tenorio now joins us to discuss what will happen when they meet. Paul, first of all, how pumped is Seattle right now? Yeah, this is their moment. You know, this is a city that has represented so much about the growth of American soccer. When we think back to how MLS especially has grown I think the second kind of era of growth of the league started yes when Beckham arrived as a designated player but really also when Seattle entered the league in 2009 and had 35 40 45 000 people in the stadium that was unprecedented in this country and it essentially sold expansion teams all around the country afterwards it was so successful that other markets came on board and it launched MLS to this new kind of era of growth.

35:17And so this is in a way kind of a coronation for the market to be able to now show what it's meant to American soccer on a global stage. They haven't had a U.S. game of consequence since 2016 in the Copa America Centenario. This is a much bigger opportunity than that. So I think you're going to see an incredible atmosphere and really you're going to see Seattle getting its due as one of the most important markets in American soccer. Partly because of the venue, but also because of the way the U.S. team performed in their opening fixture against Paraguay, answering anyone who had any doubts about their quality in this tournament.

35:56Yeah, no doubt about that. I think also an X factor here is that because the prices were so high for that opening game in Paraguay, many of the diehard U.S. fans bought tickets to the Seattle game because it was cheaper. So this crowd is going to be loud and excited coming off of the win, but it's also many of the fans who have known this team the best, who understand football atmospheres the best, who are understanding, who are going to know the songs and the chants and who have come to this market as their World Cup trip. So I think there's even a little bit of a different type of atmosphere than we saw in L.A., which has kind of the stars and the event moment and all of that.

36:33This is going to be a little bit more of kind of the people who said, that, okay, if I have one game to go to, I'm going to the game in Seattle. So it could be a really fun experience. And I think we also have to say, like, this is the moment that we maybe see what this World Cup could be for the U.S. If they win this game against Australia, that momentum, the positivity, the energy, the country getting behind them, it's going to get crazy. Like, I think it's going to blow the doors off. And if they fail to get a result, you have to start all over again to work to get that excitement up again.

37:03And so, you know, how big this World Cup can be in a weird way maybe hinges on what happens Friday against Australia. As everybody knows, the U.S. and Australia are historic rivals in swimming. In football, though, there seems to be a bit of friction developing. And one of the reasons, I guess, is, and this is a little bit like the Paraguay game, a friendly that took place last year. Can you tell us a little bit more about that? yeah it was in denver and it was a very physical approach from australia and and frankly the u.s didn't respond to it very well in the first half australia really got after pulisic they were kicking him they were fouling him and actually they injured him and knocked him out of the game and at halftime pochettino came in and talked to the team and said we're americans we don't take crap i'll use the word crap from anyone and and really his point was what are you what are you going to do about the fact that they've come into your house in Denver and they're punching you in the mouth?

38:00Are you going to sit here and take it or are you going to fight back? And you know the U.S. came out they played much better in the second half they won the game but I think they have an understanding now that Australia is not a team that will be bullied they're a team that's looking to bully you and you have to be able to to punch back like Pochettino said so I expect this game to be physical from the off I expect the U.S. to try to be on the front foot early to establish themselves as as dictating the tempo of the game and the emotion of the game and they're going to have the benefit of 68 000 people in seattle cheering them on i think that'll help that'll be different than it was in denver for sure um but yeah you you you look back at that october friendly and you you remember you know you can't allow australia to to um to dictate the game by slowing the fouls um frustrating you and and taking you out of out of your game is butch going to have the benefit of Christian Pulisic, do you think?

38:58Do I think? No, I don't think. Has he said it yet? No, he hasn't said that yet. He said, you know, that basically what he said was Christian Pulisic has improved since last Friday. He said he'll have one last meeting tonight with the medical staff where they'll make a decision one way or the other, but that he wasn't going to tell us anything because why would he at this point? He's committed to keeping Australia guessing. So I would be surprised if we see Christian Pulisic playing. I think that there is a benefit to a certain extent. There's a benefit to having Christian Pulisic not play. If you can get the result, he'll have no reason really to play against Turkey.

39:39And now you've given almost three weeks for that calf to heal. But there's no doubt this is a different U.S. team when Christian Pulisic is not on the field and how they create goals. Pulisic is the most dangerous player in this U.S. team. And without him, you're leaning on guys like Malik Tillman, who's really unproven at these biggest stages. Gio Reyna, who hasn't been playing consistently at the club level. Weston McKinney, who's in top form, but is not that creator. So we'll see what the US does. Paul Tenorio. Well, it was a tough talking, Mauricio Pochettino, at halftime of that recent friendly against Australia.

40:15And his words were a little bit echoed by Australia's players right back at him. in the build-up that's been going on this week. A lot of talk about the newfound rivalry between these two on the soccer pitch. They do just need a draw, I think. Is that right, Duncan, with your modelling over there? The two sides after their victories in the opening set of matches? Yeah, draw should be fine, but that would open up. You don't know where you're going to finish. You could come first, second, and third, and pathways of doom might open up. Now, what America showed us, with a little bit of reminiscence of the second half from England the other night, It was full throttle.

40:49It was aggressive. And it was thrilling to watch. A large part of that was Pulisic. And we'll see how well they cope if they have to cope without him. Australia, though, their approach in their opening game was rather different. No, sit back and let young goalkeeper Patrick Beach deal with it. Oh, yeah. Paddy Beach. Patrick Beach. Patrick Beach. We are going to find that clip because someone very kindly sent it to us in the YouTube comments. The clip of the Telemundo commentator. I've not heard it yet. Yeah, well, you're in for a treat, let me tell you. I learned today there was an NFL player from Oregon called Pat Beach in the 80s and 90s.

41:25So, you know, maybe if we hit the game tomorrow, they can meet Beach on Beach. But yeah, I mean, Australia are very good on the break. I think I'm really looking forward to this game. The grudge nature of it is good. The fact that, you know, the USA are getting into the vibes of this tournament. And Australia are just like the perfect team to play on there. they just they'll love it as well um i just yeah i'm really really think this game could uh could be maybe the most memorable of the group stage really yeah i think so who do you think is going to be coming out of it on top i can see australia pulling it off they i was i was really impressed with them the other night but turkey are a good team they're you know some people say dark horses um they're really good on the counter-attack america will have a lot of the ball I don't think Australia are going to be as weak as Parabo were and I can see them countering them and sneaking out And the Aussies love pooping a party don't they?

42:25They love spoiling someone else's big day What are you saying Tom? Well you know as cricket fans know if you want an opposition team to come to your ends and ruin everything then you can back Australia This fella here was so effective as much as Pat Beach was the story of that first game. Nestor Eirinkunda on the break. Another championship legend. Watford icon. Yeah, he was absolutely brilliant. His finish for the goal was so good because basically you'd only imagine a player going across the goal into the far post and he just sort of sensible soccered it parallel into the near post and it was great.

43:03And he caused Turkey problems all game. And for All-America's great defending in the first game, You know, obviously Chris Richards didn't misplace a pass. Tim Ream sort of led from the back. They're not the quickest. And, yeah, I just think this is, honestly, game of the round for sure. All right. They've got a beach and a good break. Are they going to be riding the wave, do you think, Tom? Eh? Well, we'll soon find out. Okay. I fancy the US. Stars and stripes for this. I mean, having seen the US against Paraguay, I find it hard to bet against them, given the momentum that they've generated. The Lumen Field.

43:43Yeah, well, as Paul was saying, in one of the... Pivotal. Yeah, one of the most important soccer destinations in the country. So it's the perfect setting for it. Okay. Turkey, Duncan, you were saying, not a bad side in their game against Australia, 30 shots and all that. However, they could become on Friday out of the competition already. They'll still have a third group game, but their chances of reaching the last 32 32 would be already over the first team to be thus struck off the potential knockout places yeah which feels quite turkey you know how many times have they come into a tournament everyone's gone wow turkey yeah i've got a lot of good number tens um and the dark horse can only be found in the departures lounge of an airport which i'm not sure is legal but um trotting around waiting to go back but similarly nay last 32 for you Turkey similarly Paraguay could also be in that boat well Tom saw Paraguay because you went along famously to USA Paraguay again at the SoFi do you think they've got the stuff to knock Turkey out?

44:49Turkey stuffing? On paper they do and we talked about this prior to that game they are supposedly a very tight defensive unit and we didn't see any of that against the US alright but if they were to rediscover that form that's exactly the kind of team that Turkey struggled with in the first game yeah exactly and we know how Turkey play they have so many creative players they always want the ball and that's the kind of opposition that ordinarily would suit Paraguay I think the US took them by surprise the the pressing and in particular the counter pressing seem to just completely daze them so they've had that that first experience they know that like fundamentally they are a more solid team.

45:28So I think we'll see, we should see a more disciplined Paraguay, I think, in this game. All right. Now, while Turkey battled for survival, potentially booking their spot in the last 32 are, drumroll please, Scotland. Indeed. Massachusetts, currently seeing a Massa Scotsman, of course, ahead of their key game against Morocco, which is coming up on Friday. City of Boston, full two Boston. with the Tartan Army, one of whom is Jordan Campbell of The Athletic, and he joined us a short time ago. Jordan, thank you so much for taking time out from the party to speak with us. No, thanks for having me. Yeah, a lot of people think this job's just, I've just been partying the whole week, but I have actually been managing to do some work as well, but I'm not sure if my editor believes me.

46:22Well, so there's been a lot of crazy stories about the Tartan Army in Boston, drinking the pubs, even the breweries dry, going to the baseball, getting Fenway Park, singing No Scotland, No Party, even tidying up after themselves in the park. Is it all true? It's all true. The only thing that's not true is that they haven't actually legalised haggis in the state of Massachusetts. That was just a prank. But yeah, it's been amazing to be here the last week. I've been in Boston, based here for the last week, and obviously having two games in a row, it means that people have just set up base camp here and have literally not moved from the fountains that they've put fairy liquid into.

47:05They've not moved from the pubs. There's been literally a permanent queue outside the Dubliner for the past week. I spoke to their owner, who said that they've done six weeks of trade in one week. It's been incredible. Even Samuel Adams, the massive beer brand here, they ran out at their own taproom. So, you know, there's only one man with tenants left in the whole of the city. So it's been incredible. Yeah, I think Boston's really taken Scotland to the hearts. And, yeah, there's even talk that there could be direct flight links after this. There could be twinning of states and cities. So it's a real love affair.

47:44So Scotland could maybe come back here if they're fortunate enough to get through to the knockouts. And, yeah, I'm sure the economy here would welcome that. I was born in 96 so I've never seen Scotland or these scenes before so it's been amazing to be here first hand and witness it What kind of numbers of Scottish supporters are there there? There's a second wave you were mentioning coming out right now of people maybe who've even seen the pictures and decided to come and join in Sounds like we're talking about Covid, I've got flashbacks but there's been a second wave for the game tomorrow on Friday I think some understandably the price is quite prohibitive for a lot of people especially in the current climate in the UK so I think a lot of people have maybe just come out and pinpointed one game so some have maybe gone back home the last couple of days and then some have just came out the last couple of days so you can definitely feel like for Monday was maybe the quietest day and it's ramped back up all the way towards kick-off tonight so you can already see it's building back up I don't know exactly about numbers because some people are staying in New York and travelling through there's some in Providence and travelling so I would say, I would estimate there was over 40 ,000 Scots at the high taking The reaction of the townspeople, you were saying it's been a bit of a love affair but has everyone been on board with getting their fountains very liquided and the pubs drank dry?

49:09I think the pubs have been on board but I think everyone's taking it in good spirits, even the traffic cones on the heads of statues. I've seen locals gathering around, cheering it on. It's become an unofficial sport here. Even at Fenway Park, I've been there a couple of times. I was there on Sunday for the big march from Boston Common to Fenway Park. Honestly, I've seen grown men in their 50s and 60s almost in tears at the sight of these droves of bagpipers walking all the way to Fenway Park. and the reception they've got has been amazing. I was at Fenway Park yesterday writing a bit of a colour piece and literally it was teachers' day at Fenway Park where all the local teachers get in for free or they get a free ticket or whatever it is and they were all wearing their caps and there was a big group of them that just went up to a guy in a kilt and were like, can we get a photo with you?

50:03Can we get a photo with you? So, yeah, it's been amazing. What also is amazing is Scotland currently the group leaders, This is a group of teams that includes Brazil and Morocco, but Scotland are in first place. Three points already, which could well prove enough to make the knockout stages in a World Cup, Jordan. And if you were to get a result against Morocco, well then who knows? There's so many permutations. We asked Clark about that today, whether he was already thinking about what if we were 1-0 down to Morocco early. What do we do? Do we chase the game and risk losing three or four? And that might put you out of the tournament.

50:39and he says it's impossible to try and play for that with two games still to go. You just need to try and get the result first and foremost. But I watched Morocco against Brazil in the first half. I was really, really impressed by them. I'd probably say they're the most impressive team I've seen in the tournament so far for me. I think a lot of people don't automatically look at a North African team and consider them to be genuine contenders just because it's always been European and South American teams. but I think they're so good that they genuinely could go really far. I have a feeling that he might go back to the wing-back formation.

51:15I think Scotland have struggled to defend well for a couple of years, we're back for. Weirdly, even though they topped their qualifying group, I don't think they've defended as well as they have at times when they've played a wing-back system. I think if they could play that and try and get a bit of pressure on Morocco, then that might be the way to go because they're going to have a massive home advantage and I think they need to play into having so many people here. The way they approach it. Jordan Campbell. Duncan, what do your shiny machines say about Scotland's chances? So, Scotland, 88 % chance of getting to the last 32.

51:4988? Yeah. All right. Pretty good. Wasn't that back to the future speed? So, you know, we're in LA. Fine. Only 26 % chance of finishing first. 31 second. 31 third. Okay. But still looking good for Scotland to reach the knockout stages of the World Cup for the first time ever. Morocco, though, the opposition. And most likely to play, in the last 32, if they get there at the moment, the Netherlands on 23%, which would be quite the, oh, look at the fans having a lovely time in America. It really would be, wouldn't it? Oh, they've drunk beer. Oh, they've also drunk beer. Yeah, good times. Morocco. First fans of the launch and garden furniture variety, of course.

52:31Morocco, who Jordan was just describing there is the best team he'd seen at this tournament. That's a big shout. Their fans were O-laying against Brazil after 12 minutes, weren't they? They scored a beautiful goal. Duncan's goal of the tournament so far. One of the great dinky dinks that we've seen. So yeah, Scots will have their work cut out. Okay. The other game in this group sees five-time World Cup champions, Brazil, taking on the side-ranked 85th in the world, Haiti, and very much bottom of this group, by the way. Brazil needing a big performance not only to try and overtake the Scots but also because they were being publicly berated by their fans on the streets of the Big Apple only today World Cup is a war need to score goals, need to attack more these kind of things and it's not ideal opposition because you look at it on paper and think well Brazil, you know a par score for Brazil against a team like Haiti is probably 5-0 but Haiti showed against Scotland that they're pretty tough cookies.

53:33They counter-attack it at real pace. And this is a complete free hit for them without lapsing into unhelpful cliche. They are just kind of happy to be here. They don't have enormous expectations. They can frustrate Brazil and just make their lives miserable for as long as possible. Then they'll take that as a huge win. Absolutely. Your Cape Verdes, your Congos, they all speak to one lesson and that is anything can happen in the game of football. I mean, we should point out the last two times Brazil have played them, they've won 7-1 and 6-0. You can point that out, but that was then, Duncan. Yeah, but there was 6-0.

54:08You should check out Ronaldinho's goal from that game, which was a marvellous, a pirouette, a shimmy, and then round the keeper. Bit of a Ronaldinho deep cut as well. I don't think everyone will be familiar with it. Looks like it was filmed for an advert, but it wasn't. Ancelotti didn't call him up for this year's squad. Might be next in his roller deck. creative players. Neymar, who did get the nod somewhat controversially ahead of other players who could have gone and maybe actually played. Neymar not fit for this game and I don't think showing much signs of being ready until the knockout stages.

54:44Anyway, we'll keep an eye on that but Brazil, Haiti is coming up tomorrow as is a brand new totally at the World Cup. Same time, same place. We'll be rounding up the action from groups C and D. Duncan and Tom. Tom, I don't think you're with us tomorrow, are you? No Tom tomorrow, but Duncan, you'll be here. And the return of the Phil Hay to talk about how Scotland get on against Morocco. Do hope you'll be joining us through YouTube or whatever means of consuming totally at the World Cup that you choose. For now, though, from all of us here, it's goodbye.

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