Could it be curtains for Carrick as Man United get battered by Bournemouth?

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2:14Today, Carrick on the street in Manchester. as Manchester United football club tumble to another defeat. We count down to their latest coaching casualty. Ask, are they the most oppressing Manchester bunch since the Smiths? And say, how about those cherries? Elsewhere, City lose at Villa while Arsenal down toffees. Liverpool beat Brighton to move into the top four whilst at Stamford Bridge, sharp spurs and sus penders leaves Chelsea exposed and Kinski play has Spurs fans excited. It's the Totally Football Show. Yes it is, Tony Football Show on this Sunday the 25th of October with Tim Spears. Hello.

2:52No hat today Tim? No. Good. Matt Davis-Adams is here. Hi James. Hello Matt. I'm just thinking actually, is the reason that you sometimes wear a hat is because everyone is, when everyone is a baldy and you wear a hat just to kind of, I'm the one with the hat. But today we've got guests with hair. I'll always check the line up, yeah and then. No. No? Okay. All right. Matt Davis-Adams is here. Battled through the storm. Excellent. I'm ready to provide some wind and hot air for the next hour or so. Yeah, rattle some windows. I like that. And Daniel Story is literally in the studio. In person. You've had a busy week down south, a weekend down south, Daniel.

3:33Yeah, yeah. Reading Barnsley, Sunday Supplement, Palace Newcastle, The Totally Show. I mean, you... The big four. The top four. Sunday Supplement. What was that like? Yeah, the pastries are real, which is the first point of the thing that weirdly everyone asks you. But yeah, a pleasure to make my debut. Was it your debut? Yeah, this is obviously seasoned international here, but it was definitely there, yeah. Okay, excellent. And you went to see Reading. Tim, you went to see Arsenal Everton. Yeah, in the stands, not in the press box. So a rare sort of in with the real people rather than the journalists.

4:09And what did you glean from that? There was lots of fuss about the referee and how much he was getting on Mikel Arteta's case. And that was the theme of the game for most of the people that were sat around me. Okay. That David Moyes was outside of his technical area just as much as Mikel Arteta was. Right. That's what they really care about there. Top of the league and that's what's on their mind. Very good. Matt, I know you had a good weekend. We're going to be hearing about it. Some bits more good than others. We're also going to be hearing, Tim, about the fact that you're covering for Stuart James on his insane who won the weekend.

4:41weekly roundup in which he and this weekend you watch every single match in its entirety how's that going uh i've still got whole brentford to go which i'm not looking forward to it's been a long day as well the extra hour so i'm gonna have to try and watch that later as well as coventry fulham and palace newcastle which game has been the toughest so far the toughest yeah which one tested you the most uh it's actually been a it's actually been a pretty good weekend i think uh yeah not nothing's been especially boring uh in fact the game i was at arsenal I haven't watched those three, though. Yeah, that's it.

5:14I've saved the worst for last on the longest day of the year. You know the scores of all those, too? Oh, yeah. Do you know the scores of all the rest? Apart from Arsenal Everton, because you were actually there. Well, if you don't, cover your ears, because I'm about to go through the results. Look away now, Timber Spears. Friday night, 1-1 for Ipswich and Nottingham Forest. Saturday lunchtime, Aston Villa beat Man City. That's City's fourth straight defeat at Villa Park. and of course it was a result that opened the door for Arsenal later Saturday afternoon to join City on top, at least until...

5:47Anyway, the Gunners duly beat Everton 2-0. Also on Saturday afternoon, Fulham were 1-0 winners at Coventry. That's back-to-back victories now for the Cottages at tea time. What a shock at Stamford Bridge. Spurs beating Chelsea 2-0. That's Tottenham's second straight win as well and their first one at the bridge in nine years. On Sunday, 1-1 for Hull and Brentford, 2-0 for Liverpool against up-and-coming Brighton. Man Utd collapsed 3-0 at home to Bournemouth and it was 2-0 for Newcastle away at Crystal Palace. And Sunderland leads, finished goalless, which means that after eight rounds of the season, Sunderland are bottom of the Premier League.

6:27But the bottom five teams are separated by only two points. And that is a group with, alongside the Black Cats, Coventry, Forest Palace and a little team called Manchester United. What are they doing down there? We're going to start with their latest exciting match of this season. Yes, it was Man United nil Bournemouth three on Sunday afternoon. A game that ended with Carrick having what looked like a farewell lap at Old Trafford, serenaded by the same fans who had just booed off his players. Man United have Chelsea next week away. The expectation is that we'll be having an announcement either this Sunday evening or tomorrow morning about who will be in charge for that.

7:17But this game, Matt, you were watching. What happened this time? Well, everything felt wrong from the moment the team news dropped and Bruno Fernandes wasn't in it. And Michael Carrick was heard to remark that the decision was a pure football one. And you just think that just lacks legitimacy, which is kind of unfortunately how you will think of Manchester United to start the season under him, I think. And the fact that it's not a surprise that Bournemouth were able to win so easily. I mean, I did legit do a spit take when I heard the stat that this was Bournemouth's third 3-0 win in four seasons at Old Trafford.

7:53Incredible. Which was absolutely astonishing. It's also their second straight 3-0 victory against a former Manchester United manager. Well, yeah. After Ruben Amory with Milan on that. Yeah, I mean, incredible stuff. But then I looked at the Manchester United team and I don't watch them every week. I watch this game from start to finish. And I looked at the composition of it and I thought this is like one of my lazy FPL attempts of players who I've heard, oh, they had a couple of good games a few weeks or a few months ago. so I'll pop them in and Bermos Andre Santos Harry Maguire at this stage of his career Balabo he looked alright so we'll spend loads of money on him Who would you keep then?

8:28From Manchester United who would you keep? Football club Yeah Manchester United Football club I mean the goalie looks like he's got some promise right? Yoro made a poor mistake in this game but generally I think he tends to be okay Kunia's obviously a player of some talent although he didn't start the game here either but there's yeah I mean you would think that somebody else might get a kind of Unai Emery type tune out of Uri Tillemans, maybe. So there are some decent players there, but the whole thing just smacks of meh, doesn't it? And has done for a while now. And from the first whistle, within five minutes, Bournemouth had two really good chances to score.

9:05And you just knew how the game was going to go. And it was a surprise that it took them until the 38th minute to get the opening goal. And that came from some horrible defensive setup for a free kick. and Ryan kind of can't believe that he's onside and has this much time to score. And then a couple of minutes later, Yoro falls over and they're 2-0 down at halftime. So you're going to bring Bruno Fernandes on? No, I'm making my point. This is a pure football thing. He's not coming on. Kunja comes on instead. And they almost concede again. Evan Nielsen has a goal rightly ruled out for offside, but he could have just left it.

9:36I think it was Ryan behind him and he would have scored the third goal. And Bournemouth kind of couldn't believe that. I think they played pretty well. I think it's been an amazing week for them. I don't think they had to be anywhere near brilliant. to win this game 3-0, which is... The third goal was quite brilliant, though, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. And Evan Ilsen, what a rise for him. I've always thought of him as a real kind of jobbing striker who is okay but will never get you 15, 20 goals in the Premier League. I think he's got four in five now and looks to have really benefited from Marco Rosa.

10:03But I saw Bournemouth at Stamford Bridge a couple of weeks ago. They got beaten 5-1. I thought, Ryan looked decent, but there's a big Alex Scott-shaped hole in this team and they're not going to be able to do anything until they get him back and shows why now, I guess. well is he back no okay but they're still doing it but they've got five sorry four straight wins four straight clean sheets in that time i think they've scored 11 goals across those four fixtures this is in all competitions but you know as we kind of hinted at milan and manchester united and backed about three nil victories it's a super stuff from the cherries yeah and it's like we've been through this cycle with brighton of being sort of secondhand pride on behalf of these smart clubs that make fallen giants look very very ordinary at best and like matt says it's not hard it's not you don't have to double think or play 40 chess to get the better of manchester united you just need to be competent and logical and you can do it and that's what all these clubs are there are too many clubs for fallen giants now that are just sensible and smart and do what they do well enough that you know every premier league team is physical now and every premier league team presses you and every Premier League team has at least one fast player on the break that will expose you if you leave gaps and Manchester United do that all the time.

11:23So Carrick, by popular consent, has to go. Part of the problem is his approach tactically this season but also part of the problem is that everybody is agreeing that the players have downed tools, Tim. Yeah, potentially, yeah. It still smacks me as quite an unruly dressing room and that the problems are far greater than Marco Carr. I mean, he wasn't the answer, but I don't think he's the problem either. He was last season and just the slow ones. What's the difference between the end of last season and the start of this one? Well, Amarim had got so much wrong that it didn't take a genius to work out what needed to be fixed.

11:56The club needed some harmony and some unity and bringing in a legend sort of did that for a little while. So why would the players then at the start of this season decided, no, actually we don't fancy this guy? I guess now he's having to leave something about the team, which he maybe didn't have to do as much last year when they were just playing in the Premier League every week. Now he's managing four competitions, which he hasn't had to do before. This is entirely foreseeable. You could see that he was going to have a positive effect and you could see that it wasn't going to work long-term. The reasons why he was the right man last year in terms of that unity, being a reliable, calm presence for a few months and a link to the past, which felt like maybe they needed to cheer up the whole fan base, those are the reasons why it's not going to work in the long-term because they keep looking back instead of looking forward.

12:39you know his monologue on Friday just outlined all that he said the word football club 14 times in his five and a half minutes and you know started talking about Fergie and gigs and the good old days it's irrelevant what Sir Alex Ferguson would have done in 2006 you know compared to now you know Michael Carrick is not even a manager in the way that Fergie was the club is run completely differently so this whole kind of looking back they've got to stop that or say they're never going to look forward managers are also playing his Manchester United team for the second time now so football club football team for the second time so that there's no obvious tactical principles there there's no you know if the players aren't quite with you or if results aren't going well you need to have something where you go well this is what we're trying to work towards this is a blueprint this is our identity and the whole identity appears to be let's hope it works like it worked last season and if it doesn't i'll ring fergie and see what he thinks which is a pretty bizarre way of running a football team.

13:37What are we hearing, Daniel, about who will be coming in? Who's going to be in charge for the trip to Stamford Bridge, for example? Well, the Stamford Bridge one is interesting because it's a massive game. Look, maybe they can do all of this this week, but it would seem quite a big ask, which means they might have a caretaker, which could be Steve Holland. I mean, Steve Holland is not tied to Michael Carrick and he's on the staff now. Johnny Evans is there Jonathan Woodkate's there they both are tied to Michael Carrick so you presume they would leave with him Steve Holland doesn't have to I think long term it will either I think they'd really like to go and get Unai Emery but if I was him I know there's an ego thing of like maybe I've taken Villa as far as I can and maybe Manchester United I can be the guy to take them back but I would be well he would be mad to take it so I think they end up with Eddie Hale Emery's had his fingers burnt with you know a inverted commas elite club before hasn't he on a couple of occasions.

14:33You talked about Arsenal? Well, Arsenal and PSG. Oh, right. I think they're both elite clubs. Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. And we'll come on to Emery and how brilliant he is later. But going back to Tim's point about we can't always be harking back to the Fergie days. They get rid of Michael Carrick. They might put Steve Holland in charge. Last season, they put Darren Fletcher in charge, who's a coach of the under-18. So the cycle begins again. Your advice would be, don't put... Have you ever played for Man United? Yes. It's not you. Yeah. Have you already got a parking space? Yes. No, you're not having it.

15:04But in terms of Carrick, another big factor is always when a caretaker becomes permanent, right? It's one thing, you know, you can call him Michael and, yeah, okay, mate, yeah, I'll do this for you. And then all of a sudden you come back for pre-season and he's gaffer and you can't talk to him in the way that you used to. And then you find out a bit more about his ideas when you've got that intense period of preparing for the season. And, you know, Uri Tillemans is saying, well, training's actually quite light here for pre-season. and people start to ask questions and wonder and you get smashed by Hull on the first day.

15:34There's no history, even if you're trying to demand respect, there's nothing he can point at and say, well, look, at least this happened. There's no way he's going to be able to look Bruno Fernandes in the eye and say, well, I'll tell you what, my second season at Middlesbrough in the Championship, you should have seen the tactics there. It's just not going to work. All right. North will rise again, says Emery has full control at Villa. He would be crazy to jump ship to Man United. Antandron says why not use an AI manager there's that lover of liberty oh sorry who is it saying I've just joined have we just oh yeah Joff Afnac John Afnac says just joined in have we discussed Spurs yet the reply is from lover of liberties we've got 30 minutes of United chat before the other games the thing is no it is such a dominant story because it's Every time it happens, I know we were here 18 months ago, but it is unbelievable how much that club is unprepared to learn its lessons.

16:33Right. So if Eddie Howe comes in, is it going to be any different? He's savvy enough to ask questions of the people above him before he takes the job. And that appears to be an issue to me. I think Manchester United wants somebody who's going to... Manchester United Football Club wants somebody who wants to put that Manchester United Football Club tracksuit on and say, I'm the manager slash head coach of Manchester United Football Club. not go all this money you spent on these players that hasn't really worked what's that about are there any questions being asked about that and you know there are two people in prominent positions with with different issues in wilcox and barrada right and they probably don't want the spotlight to shine on them so you would think it will be a kind of maybe it will be conte and that will just be so conte howe and nagelsman are the bookies top three nagelsman feels quite i mean you want that surely that would be brilliant Tim?

17:24Everyone just seems set up to fail until they have a head coach working in tandem with a recruitment team by players that work to a strategy they didn't have that under Amren they've still got Ten Hag's defence by the way it's the same back four as when he was manager did Michael Carrick really ask for Yuri Tielemans a sort of one paced creative attacking midfielder to go alongside Bruno Fernandes I doubt he did There is an argument for how I know the ownership changed at Newcastle, which became everything, and it isn't going to change at United, but he did inherit a Steve Bruce squad that was really, really down on that manager and fairly quickly elevated, made that place an enjoyable place to work.

18:08Now, it's an incredibly low bar, but it doesn't look like an enjoyable place to work at the moment. So if you can sort of sort that bit out, it's better. But it is, I mean, it's the ultimate deck chair rearrangement. Okay. Thomas Cannon says, wouldn't surprise me if they bring Solskjaer back. And they could do worse. It sounded really toxic today. The fans went for Sir Jim Ratcliffe personally. They went for Jason Wilcox personally. They said, we're not bothered about a new stadium. You know, we want the owners to go. So the pressure's, obviously none of that's going to happen. Right. So the pressure's on the owners to make maybe a big name appointment.

18:42Right. Someone to really wow the fans. And the owners, of course, being the Glazers, who are sat back in Florida laughing about all this. Yeah, exactly. Money gets made. Money gets made. Well, there you go. Stories get made as well. Man United. Is there a new low around the corner next weekend when they go to Chelsea, when they could well be in the bottom three by the end of play? We shall see. For now, let's move on to other things. Spurs imminent, but they very much played on Saturday. So we'll do the Sunday games first of all, which featured Liverpool taking on Brighton, who, of course, were an absolute tear going into this.

19:15Tim, you watched what happened to them when they got to Anfield. Yeah. And what was it? It was a really, really good game. Two teams that played really well. I thought I couldn't really find fault with either of them. And it had a 3-3 feel to it. They had 30 shots between Brighton at 17 to Liverpool's 13. The key moment of the match was Brighton missing sort of an open goal at 0. Early on. Yeah, Ayari was sort of set up by Gross with Alisson sort of nowhere. He stuck it over the bar and then two minutes later, Liverpool took the lead through an own goal. Yeah. was given to Verts initially, but it's deflected off Pascal Gross.

19:51And yeah, Liverpool's£400 million strike force finally looking all right. Okay. Sort of working in tandem, exactly the kind of way you'd expect from an Areola team. Very, very full throttle. Brighton didn't know what hit them in the first sort of 20 minutes. All working in tandem, great movement. Izak, Barcola, Verts and Gakpo. And yeah, they look really good. They look really sort of prolific. but none of them were my man of the match that would be Araujo at right back who was absolutely outstanding he was so fun completely full throttle pushing people out of the way going in with proper full-blooded two-footed tackles the fans absolutely adore him he's got real cult hero vibes I know he's only on loan you don't fall in love with loan players but they are heading that way he was outstanding the man of the match without a doubt.

20:44How long has he been the starting right back for Liverpool? Has it been about four games and the four games that they've won in a row? That's a really good question. And he got forced into it because of Frimpon's form and Connor Bradley's injury. So he's kind of, yeah, he was brought as an auxiliary central defender and is now first choice right back, right? It was a mixtape of Wurz who, as you say, did cause the first goal to be scored but then had it awarded as an own goal. And he was then taken off. Yeah, early in the second half. With an injury? With an injury. With an injury. Didn't look great.

21:21Oh. So I haven't heard anything sort of post-match as to how he is. But yeah, not great for Brighton, who were in the middle of a run of two of five away games, including two trips to the Etihad coming up. Right. But I don't think it's anything sort of indicative of wider issues. You know, they went to Anfield and had more of the play, more of the ball, their 64 % possession, more shots more xg the only slight sort of issue you might foresee with brighton is that there's 17 shots here one on target and costulas i think he scored five in eight going into this and looks really good and he's going to be a hell of a player but he's only 19 and he's going to be inconsistent and the only other forward options i think i'm right in saying centrally are router and promised david so you kind of worry slightly typical brighton going to create a lot of chances and maybe not finish off as many as they should do they've obviously overperformed in terms of xg up to now.

22:13So I'd maybe have a slight downer on that going forward but otherwise they were really really good for a 2-0 defeat. They played really well. Okay, it's two games in a row that they failed scoring because they also weren't able to trouble the net in their Thursday night clash at Jablotnets Jablonets in the Europa Conference League and many thanks to Petr from the Czech Republic for pointing out how to pronounce Jablonets. The first thing that occurred to my mind when I saw the score in this game was that Liverpool played at home on Tuesday and Brighton played away on Thursday but it sounds like that wasn't actually that big of a factor but sort of low-key been an ideal start for Ander Niro hasn't it because they've lost one game which was that strange game against Manchester City but nobody's really talking about them so there's not ludicrous expectations being placed upon them but for all the talk about Brighton Liverpool are a point behind them which is quite a nice place to be because it's not going to be, or are they going to challenge for the title?

23:13But similarly, well, I mean, I don't know. Probably not. But then what do Manchester City's points count for? I can't really get invested in this champ because of that. In the meantime, is heavy metal football back as a listener whose name I can't find right now. Is the heavy metal football back? And also somebody else saluting a sliding headed tackle that Araujo made. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. he also pushed Costoulas to the floor sort of shoved him to the floor at one point which also got a huge cheer it was just yeah completely all action heavy metal football yeah that was Rumi Tarek for a bit yeah but then they got tired and bright and sort of dominated the last sort of closing stages but they only scored 11 in 8 Liverpool they're not quite the sort of swashbuckling three for a match rather than heavy metal which you know great band guy boisterous anyway that was Liverpool on Sunday afternoon at the same time Newcastle went to Crystal Palace and beat the Eagles 2-0 Daniel you were there for this you went along to Sellers Park yeah dusting the croissants off your yeah off your top et al yeah well I mean Newcastle first of all this was a much needed win yeah it was an abhorrent first half ah genuinely awful Palace with a better team but their final ball was poor and Newcastle's every ball was poor.

24:41And then what happened to Crystal Palace is what keeps happening, which is they conceded first and everybody lost their minds and heads went down. They've conceded, I think they've conceded first in all but one game this season, a league game this season. And yeah, I think everyone's sort of staring up at Old Trafford for signs of white smoke and manages to get sacked. And there's a chance that Pierre Sarge takes over on the inside and get sacked first, I think, because I think he'll go this week. I think he has to. This week? Yeah, I think they lost 5-0 at Brighton and that will have provoked internally some we-should-see-who's-out-there conversations.

25:19And of Palace's potential level, there are quite a few names out there. So Thomas Frank and Kieran McKenna are two obvious ones. And so they gave him another league game and said, look, you know, I assume let's see what happens in this one. And completely left. There's a really sort of bleak thing which happens at football grounds of about South Wales Park's size where there's not even chance against a manager. It's just individual people standing up and telling him to F off effectively. And at South Wales Park, he can hear those. It's not all his fault. They've sold all the best players and they haven't really replaced many of them apart from with Larson and then Brendan Johnson who swapped out for McNeil.

25:58But yeah, he just looks completely broken. All he does is sort of stand there on the touchline and clap and cheer and like, gee, the players up. And it just looks like the players might not be there. It's just sort of a bit sad. They did get a 2-2 draw at Besiktas in the Europa League on Thursday. They've got Fulham in the Carabao Cup on Wednesday. Yeah, which might complicate. It might make them do it quickly or not. Newcastle themselves in the Carabao Cup will be playing on Thursday at Everton. Everton but yeah but so signs that the first half notwithstanding that Jasler is getting a grip on the better lineup?

26:36Well he certainly didn't compromise in that he left the five new signings on the bench and kind of went with you know and he's seemingly dropped Visser so he's going to do it his way. They weren't brilliant but they were just better than Palace. Asula the goals were well designed Willis Sula scored from a lovely Jacob Murphy cross and Harvey Barnes scored the other Harvey Barnes goal which is arriving late into the penalty area rather than cutting inside and curling it and that was easily good enough to beat a rotten Crystal Palace There you go troubled times down in South London there were two other games on Sunday Howell had a 1-1 draw with Brentford that was in the early slot with Olly McBurney last season He's a top scorer off the mark for the first time in this Premier League campaign.

27:27Hull, who won their first two games, admittedly against Man Utd and Conventry, football club, but have not had a victory since. Having said that, they're not in that glut at the bottom of the table, and neither are Brentford. Sunderland-Leeds was the other game on Sunday, which finished 0-0. Matt, you were watching this? Yeah, ish. I mean, as much as one could. I was mainly focusing on the amount of litter on the pitch and wondering if, Tim, you would have heard for this bit, but I posited that the Stadium of Light is the most litter-on-the-pitch pitch in English football. Swirly crisp packets, you get that, but where does the carrier bag come from?

28:07Who brings a carrier bag to a game and then lets it go so it goes on the pitch? It might have blown in from outside. I'm not sure that's as possible in the Stadium of Light as it is at Stadium. There's a really lovely part of the game. It was a rotten football match. And just as you gave up complete faith in it, this plastic bag sort of lifted like American beauty style over the pitch. And it was like, there is beauty in this world. It isn't Noah Roquefort smashing across into a right back. Or a beach ball. But there is beauty in this world. You'll be watching all that. You can look out for the beach bag.

28:41The shopping bag. I've still got to watch that whole game. Well, I didn't watch all of it. Would you be prepared to do it double speed? the bag would look superb at double speed okay yeah on this occasion I don't think you can no definitely not I don't think you can Stuart James does he watch every single 10 times speed yeah well so he claims we did suggest that maybe we should give you a bit of a test on one or two incidents from but we haven't done that but yeah so how many games have you got and when do you have to get the piece in by I think I think sort of like lunchtime tomorrow I still gotta watch the Man United game actually which should be quite oh you'll enjoy that watch yeah yeah i think so yeah yeah it's not like it's been the longest day of the year already all right tim well uh games that you have already seen of course are the ones played on friday night and saturday and we'll be getting on to all of those next

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33:42We're going to be doing a live stream of the Totally Football Show European Edition on Monday night. Usually this is with you in a recorded and polished fashion on Tuesday, but tomorrow evening, Monday, we're going to go live from 10pm UK time for the very special reason that just down the road at the London Palladium, the Ballon d 'Or is going to be awarded. So could be Kane, could be Yamal, could be Killian. They're the top three. Although Yamal's gone right out to sort of... Has he? 8, 10 to 1 or something. Has he really? Yeah. Has he? Yeah, I don't know what that means. I think the working theory is that Kane has split the Spanish language vote of each side of El Clasico and Yamal and Mbappe.

34:34Okay. Well, anyway. That's a working theory. We'll know by the time... Tuesday's show is usually about running up all the European leagues, and we'll be doing all that in our live Monday presentation, but we'll also reflect on whoever it is that wins the Ballon d 'Or and any other salient awards because there are 13 in total. Anyway, we'll talk about El Clasico. Did you say there are 13 awards? 13 awards, yes. Wow. Men's goalie, women's goalie. Ballon d 'Or more like. Men's Ballon d 'Or, women's Ballon d 'Or. Yeah. Keep going, Matt. Sounds like an episode of You Bet there. Matt going through all of them.

35:07Anyway, now on Saturday, Manchester City, who have been on that winning start to the season, went to Aston Villa where what happens usually happened again. They lost. That's the fourth season in a row that they've lost at Villa Park. It was actually Aston Villa's first Premier League win at their ground this season. Who was watching this one on Saturday? It was pretty good. It was sort of classic Villa against Manchester City, but with added City really helping Villa out with their goals, which was a new wrinkle to it. Obviously, you had Gay with the unfortunate mistake for the first goal, and then Donnarumma just letting Jackson's second effort squirm through his grasp.

35:50So, surprising form from Gay, and we'll maybe get onto that in a second recently. But also, surprising form from Nicholas Jackson. I, for one, did not expect him to morph into this ruthless clinical striker. I'm a bit of a Nicholas Jackson defender, actually. And he got double figures in Premier League goals in both of his seasons at Chelsea. and I quite like the kind of, and the celebration was enjoyable, I thought. But it was a nice kind of F you at Enzo Maresco who had bombed him out of Chelsea when he got sent off in two games in quick succession at the end of the Premier League season at Newcastle and then in the Club World Cup, seconds after coming off the bench.

36:25And that's the kind of worst of Jackson. But as we'll get on to, Naimri being soothsayer, best manager in the Premier League, does his best work just outside that very, very top stratosphere of clubs. He is a rehabilitator of players and he's worked with Jackson before, but he's doing it with Ross Barkley as well. You know, quite incredible. But yeah, I think Jackson has always been a little bit underrated because when he is bad, it's calamitous and that draws the eye. But he is a real, a real nuisance and he can finish. And in a weekend where he stuck it to his old manager and his old club played without a striker and it came at a big cost, he really underlined the qualities that he does bring.

37:04I think. Six goals in the last six games now for Nicholas Jackson. Unai Emery, who, and we touched on this before, witnessed all the key players, the spine of the team sold off in the summer, has revolutionised Villa once again. And there they are. There's this kind of working theory that, and I know Villa fans are very anti-PSR and squad cost ratio because you have to sell your best players, but it's not just Villa, but there is this kind of myth that spending lots of money makes you better. And it doesn't. And the fact that Villa had to get rid of Watkins and therefore take a chance on Jackson, the fact that they had to go out and get Manzambi and Mbaye and kind of rebuild that.

37:46And it looks fresher for it. The fact that Martinez went and they get Suzuki, who looks completely fit for every purpose. It doesn't have to be. You don't have to obsess about spending money. It can be a good thing. I think they've upgraded in pretty much all those areas as well and got younger. I think every new guy that's come in and replaced the old one has got younger. Jackson looks like an upgrade on Ollie Watkins to me, which I wasn't expecting at all. And they wouldn't have done it. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. But he's going to miss some chances like Watkins does, but he looks like a much more all-round player.

38:18I think he's matured probably in the last couple of years and his game has become mature too. And Ron says, and thanks for asking because I kind of wanted to, oh, so the thumbs down celebration is aimed at Maresca, Matt. I don't know if it's specifically aimed at him, but it was a nice piece of timing. All right, but you said he stuck it to his former manager. Yes, well, it's a thing from Gladiator, isn't it, is the celebration. But I would assume that there was a little bit of a nod and a wink to the camera whilst the thumb went down at his former boss. All right. There you go. Anyway, Aston Villa looking absolutely terrific.

38:52There was an equaliser from City from the usual Erling Haaland. But what's going on with Mark Gay of late? It's a strange one, isn't it? I mean, whether he's been rattled, we're sort of kind of assuming that no Manchester City player or club employee is in the least bit concerned about what's happening to them. I wonder if, you know, a good God-fearing boy like Mark Gay is having some doubts about playing for sinners. It's a strange thing with City, isn't it? Because they've kind of killed the credibility of the Premier League for 10 years, but they're almost retaining it by not chucking it in now when the season may well end with them getting relegated.

39:28They'd won every game up until this point. So yeah, I really can't get my head around what to think and say about it. 71 points ahead of Manchester United and then still finish above them. Maybe that's the aim. Yeah, I mean, Gay's playing for a new manager, right? That's one thing. presumably he's getting different instruction to what he was getting from Pep Guardiola maybe that's as simple although the start of the season he looked good but you know what everyone has runs of form don't we just don't we just alright anyway that victory for Aston Villa was good news for Arsenal as well because it gave them the opportunity to move level on points which are slightly abstract concept at the moment but level on points for now with Man City at the top of the table thanks to the 2-0 victory despite the referees and their evil conspiracy that they enjoyed over Everton.

40:19Tim, aside from the officials, what else caught your eye on this game? There is a real feeling there. I haven't spoken to quite a few fans yesterday that they want to be top of the table when those sanctions come just so it's not, you know, Man City can then say, well, we were top when it happened. There's definitely a feeling there at the Emirates that they want it to happen. But anyway, in this game, yeah, it was sort of death by corners. They had 12 corners. It felt like a lot more. Right. and the early goal from Konza just sort of set the tone settled the crowd down and it was a pretty comfortable afternoon I wasn't hugely impressed with Arsenal in open play I have to say really good at working it from the back to the edge of the box and then it all just stopped Eze and Madweke nice little flashes here and there but not a huge amount they obviously missed Saka and Giocares who was in for Hazard I mean he was he was just physical and nothing else okay and it was the centre-halves who did the scoring yeah and Gabriel honestly like one of the best individual defensive performances I've seen in a while.

41:15Yeah, I don't know. It's just being at the stadium, he just really, and I had a really good seat, not far behind David Moyes, who's dug out. Just, he was imperious. Just his, I mean, Tiana Barry won't have a harder game all season. He's just first to everything. His strength, his anticipation, even his balance, you just really notice it because I sat quite close to him. I thought he was outstanding. The number sort of backed it up. It was eight clearances, three tackles, two interceptions, is all the best in the team. He is my early shout for player of the year because I think there's a likelihood that Arsenal win the title fairly comfortably and they're not going to do it in a sort of a swashbuckling sort of way with outstanding individual talent going forward.

41:56I think they're going to have the best defence again as they've got at the moment and I think he's going to be their star defender. So he'd be my early shout for player of the year. I mean, it's a ludicrous thing to think that at the moment William Saliba doesn't get back into the Arsenal team. And look at the difference between those two squads now. And City at the weekend brought on Foden, fine, then Rico Lewis and Ryan McAidoo. You just look at the subs. They brought on Bruno Gamaris, they brought on Calafiori, they brought on Havertz, they brought on Zubimendi, they brought on Daumann. And Saka and Saliba aren't fit.

42:27That squad is disgustingly deep now, isn't it? There's so many ways. And they scored, again, it's been a pattern reason. They made a triple substitution and they scored within a minute. And it's like, they're not just bringing on subs for its own sake. That happens all the time though with Arsenal, no? Yeah, it's a thing that Arteta likes doing. If you've got the quality on the bench, don't bring them on in ones. Bring them on in twos and threes and you can completely unnerve an opponent. Well, they'll be needing that depth of score because they've got a busy week. They've got Carabao Cup on Tuesday when they're going to be at Fleetwood.

43:01So it's a trip to Highbury for Arsenal. It is. Pleasingly. You know, Fleetwood play the theme tune to Captain Pugwash whenever they score a goal. They're known as the Cod Army. Yeah, Cod Army. Yeah. How does that go, man? I don't know, to be honest. Do you remember Captain Pugwash? Vaguely, but I'm aware of this thing. No, so there was this rumour that the cast or the cast of characters was very much a series of euphemisms. Captain Pugwash was supposedly an antipodean euphemism for oral pleasuring your partner. I knew we'd gone to this. equally there was supposedly a character called roger the cabin boy and in the days before the internet that's why i remember yeah or don't and there might have been a seaman but we won't get into that fine as far as i know once the internet came in to clear up you know these gray areas of course yeah yeah it was established that there was no roger the cabin boy in captain bugwash which was a fairly basic animation back in the day but yeah another theme tune i must admit it escapes me i think it's good it had quite a sort of viz vibe to the the animation it was quite sort of okay do you not think it was quite yeah they were essentially they were uh static pictures which were moved yes create uh anyway that's probably enough about captain pugwash uh everton oh before you move on it feels to me you know i've long espoused the theory that everton are the worst club in england to support because they never have any success and they're always in the shadow of their great rivals.

44:34Big week for them, I think now, because they've gone along unbeaten in the season, right? And everybody's saying, oh, it's actually going okay. Then all of a sudden, the club's up for sale. Two fairly comprehensive. Two nil defeats in succession. Threadbare squad. What happens if they go out of the Carabao Cup in midweek against Newcastle? Then you're thinking, oh, I hope we get a good draw in the FA Cup in January. Otherwise, we pootle along and we finish between 12th and 16th and hope that somebody buys us and maybe this changes, but maybe it doesn't. It's all just a bit it's a good job David Moyes' face is set for disappointment at the time.

45:07Matt, who's your team then? But at least they go up and down. That's true. That's true. Well, Everton fought so very very hard in successive seasons to avoid going down and have been, well, the last season at least were free of such concerns. Who knows this time around, as you say, they are taking on, did you say Newcastle? Newcastle. Newcastle. At the Nick, yeah. So Arsenal have Fleetwood in the last 16. What division of Fleetwood? League 2? not doing particularly well either they're 18th they've lost six of their last nine in all comps and then after that Arsenal have another away game and it's at Anfield that'll be trickier yeah so that's next Sunday that's a big one eh super I don't know about you but I'm calling that a big game Captain Pugwash in the training session it's like he played You'll Never Walk Alone just so you don't get thrown by it lads expect this what the dickens went on oh sorry David Seaman doesn't matter right what the dickens went on at Stamford Bridge on Saturday evening when Spurs who had just had a victory the previous Monday against Coventry came along to take on Chelsea and beat them 2-0 Matt you're going to be doing a special straight out of Cobham the Athletics Chelsea podcast it's going to be all about Spurs tomorrow isn't it they're all special but it is just a regular show but yeah I mean probably what are you going to say about Spurs?

46:30well it would be disingenuous for me to talk about Spurs maybe somebody else pours some love on Spurs who wants some poor love on Spurs and their back to back victories? I'll pour some love on Mateus Fernandes who Tim has got his Araujo obsession those two basically are competing for player of the weekend I think in the Premier League he was yeah he was everything we know he can be but not having to like the best of Fernandes we've seen is because he's the best player in a bad team so he stood out in two seasons because he's the guy doing everything because nobody else is and the question was whether he could do everything when other people are doing stuff as well and I think Saturday evening was the first time I've really seen that in terms of like off the ball work press resistance cross field passes when you don't even realise he's even looking he was just really really really good He also got a red car for Cole Palmer Yeah he did his best to get need in the face by Cole Palmer with a yeah I mean it was a naughty handball it was a you know the kind of really frustrating thing for Palmer but then right child like a bull into his face which is a bit not the usual way to get a yellow card yeah I imagine there'd been a certain amount of build-up between Fernandes and Cole Palmer before that but has everything now come together then all those promising spells in matches that have not been reflected in results is it all coming together for Spurs with their back-to-back wins?

47:53I think what we're seeing, and it's a boring answer, is just good players plus time equals those players getting to know each other and getting to know what is demanded of them as a group. You know, we said it at the start of the season, but they haven't, I don't think they've done it yet, but there's a potential to have a back, two central defenders of Sanessi and Van Hecker and two central midfielders of Tonali and Fernandes, which is so new, like a square of complete newness that it's really hard to work and they do seem to be getting there. And one of the good things about recent games for Spurs has been the return of James Madison, who indeed returned to his first start with a goal on Monday.

48:34Yeah, and then got injured. And this time around he gets injured. Yeah, it sounds like a groin injury, not super serious. But Spurs have got, they're not now in a position where they need to be like, oh God, we need James Madison back. Because Kudus looked good. Kulisevsky's been back. Like, Matthias Tell scored. And I thought Andy Robertson was really good at left-back, kind of dynamic in a way I haven't seen him be for probably a year. It does just feel a bit more good vibes at Tottenham, yeah. Okay. Chelsea, Matt, do you want to talk about Mike Penders? What do you want to talk about? Yeah, we can talk about Penders.

49:11I thought the thing that struck me was it was the second game in a row where a key player had been ruled out on the eve of the game whereby they were able to ride it at Everton with Rhys James, possibly because, you know, with the greatest world in the world, they're used to Rhys James getting ruled out of games with injuries. It did show thinness in attack without João Pedro, which was kind of made to look all the stranger by the lack of Danny Welbeck so late in the game. And certainly from looking through the comments that we've had asking for questions for tomorrow's straight-out-of-Covum, a lot of the concern has been at the level of the performance rather than the embarrassment of losing to Spurs, which is what would usually be the case for Chelsea.

49:52And this kind of wild oscillation that we've had from Brentford to Bournemouth to Spurs, maybe that's something that happens when you have a new manager. But it was a bad day for Xavi Alonso. I think that's clear. I think starting Giovanni Kenda, who has been limited to 87th minute cameos and little else, was extraordinary really when you've got Esteve out there, who seems to be a player of such talent but is clearly not fancied by Alonso. If he doesn't get in this game, in this position, then is he going to start at Anfield in the League Cup on Wednesday? So I thought it was a really bad night for Alonso and the management of the rest of the squad outside of the 12, 13 players who feature in every game has been something which has cropped up a lot in these early weeks.

50:37It's going to be interesting to see how he gets a handle on this. But completely overrun in midfield. I mean, the Penders thing is unfortunate. net. He basically mistimed his jump and punches the ball. It was windy. Five of his colleagues were outside of the penalty area on the halfway line. Which meant that there would be more pressure on him from opposition players. So maybe there's some pressure on Austin McPhee as much as there is on Xabi Alonso for that in particular. But it's such a shame for Penders. On his first Premier League start, he looks like Thibaut Courtois. But he reminded me of David De Gea at the start of his Premier League career with high-profile ricks.

51:12You think these are going to be difficult for you to get over. But I guess the good thing for him is that he's not going to be taken out of the team any time soon and therefore will be given the chance to hopefully get over. Tim is shaping to say something. Just before you do, let me mention William O'Toole saying, Captain Pugwash, the music was brilliant. And Lover of Liberty says, oh, sorry, Lover of Liberty says, massive shame for Madison. He was brilliant until the injury. Good point. But Nick Walgar says the cabin boy in Captain Pugwash was called Tom. Tom the cabin boy however says Nick Woolgar there was a pirate called Willy Tim cool so just on Chelsea it kind of felt like a theme of last season with Indiscipline which was of course a recurring theme for them with all the red cards they had last year because it was utter head loss I mean from Cole Palmer in particular you can make a case for either of these yellows being red I think and also Indiscipline in terms of that goal that Penders concedes because just before everyone thought it was offside against Solanke it was an offside was it?

52:15it wasn't offside but they were all fuming at the assistant referee flailing their arms and then they're not set for the corner they leave Van Hecker completely on his own he's the one that's challenging the keeper so no one attacks the ball from a Chelsea point of view I think it's the 8th goal they've conceded from set pieces this season as well so it just felt like a collective head loss but particularly Cole Palmer the Penders thing is something which teams will zero in on as well because he conceded a sort of similar goal against Leeds in the Carabao Cup where he came flat to the corner and got nowhere near it and conceded a goal.

52:48So yeah, that is a concern. But yeah, the Palmer challenges were absolutely atrocious, I thought. And it's all quite out of character as well. So yeah, a fair bit to worry about. They go to Anfield, which is obviously laden with narrative for Xabi Alonso on Wednesday. And then you've got this Man United game whereby we don't know who's going to be in the dugout. So it was the start of three big games. It always felt that way. and the next one has just got even bigger. Paul, by the way, really lucky to have only got the one red car with two yellows because it means he misses the league cut game but will be able to play against United next.

53:21Against United. He supports who he scored a 109th-minute winner against, yeah, two years ago at Stamford Bridge in a 4-3, yeah. Interesting. Interesting. What's that, Fulham fans? Yes, your side did record a second straight victory this Saturday. they're a very noisy bunch aren't they cottagers 1-0 it was against Coventry lovely lovely goal from Oscar Bob no fancy footwork I think that's I mean I should know but I think that's his first goal or assist for Fulham for Fulham since joining 22nd appearance yeah I mean he's had injuries on and off and he obviously had a serious injury at City when he broke his leg but yeah I was amazed at that was the first one It was a sort of Riyad Mahrez run it back 2015-16 kind of go away, rolls it from one foot to the other, waits for the opportunity and then kills it as soon as he gets it.

54:16Really nice goal. Goal of the weekend, I think. Goal of the weekend? No one's arguing with that? Goal of the weekend? I think so. Yeah, good couple of weeks for Arbeloa, right? We're talking about managers who are about to be out of work and all of a sudden he's a bit... But the fixtures, so they had Ipswich and then Hull and now Coventry. But the fact that they lost Ipswich, he thought was really on the back foot here. So, I mean, they've won them both 1-0. So, not blinded. But they've got that. They've got Leno and Iwobi, who are canny Premier League operators. But then they've got Shea Charles, who looks really good, and Josh King.

54:48There's a bit of stardust to Fulham that maybe there isn't to, I don't know, a Crystal Palace or a Coventry. Right. Nice. Okay. Ipswich drew 1-1 with Nottingham Forest. All right, Forest fans. I mean whatever I said about the last Forest non-win play it again they are so in the XG table before Saturday you were the side that managed to lose to Crystal Palace weren't you? we were yeah that one and at home to Coventry which is yeah before Arsenal played on Saturday Nottingham Forest were top of the XG table they their shooting and their ability not just missing chances but missing chances to create chances is Virgin on extraordinary and fair play to Oli Glasner because he's still not just stood there screaming for 90 minutes on the touchline at the futility of the world because yeah boy do they miss some chances and this time they kind of doubled down on that by Nick and Milenkovic playing a really short bad back pass and that was it so it's his goal and it was basically it's his only chance of the game but yeah if you don't win your games then you get punished it's called a great goal it's called a really Oliver Glasner goal yeah Forrest have got Brentford, Bournemouth Chelsea Man City the next four.

56:02Okay. So something's going to happen. The last four matches have seen 79 shots, to your point, from Forest, but only two goals have resulted. Yeah, and one of those from a left back. It's almost like spending 50 million on a striker who hadn't scored for 26 consecutive games at the end of last season wasn't the best. You know what they say to him? Buy cheap, buy twice. Yeah, buy really expensive, buy twice. I was really worried about Forrest spending that much money on Liam De Laap. I actually think he's done all right. I think he's one of those players who brings quite a bit to the team without scoring.

56:35He's so robust, isn't he? It's absurd. He's a bouncer, basically, isn't he? Yeah, yeah. But the people around him maybe need to do a little bit more. But Ipswich are ticking along all right, aren't they? I mean, they did play well in this game. Didn't have many chances. Didn't lose it. I think they'd be thrilled with where they've gone to at this stage of the season. And if there's only potentially two relegation places up for grabs, because Forrests are definitely down is that what I was saying? Rude well looks like it's going to be another eventful week in the wide world of football Classico's on now as if you didn't know so we'll wrap it up there I think Tim many thanks for being with us many thanks to Matt and to Daniel who've both made it down from points north and you're going to head back there right now Lovely to have you in the studio.

57:27You too, Matt. Skip our way back to the station. All right, lovely stuff. Many thanks to you as well for joining us on this live presentation or whenever you caught up with it afterwards. Good luck, Tim. Yeah, I'm going to watch Coventry Fulham now. It should be good. All right, excellent. Excellent. Do hope you'll join us for Monday night's special live 10 o 'clock Ballon d 'Or featuring European Roundup on the Totally Football Show. So for now, with a thanks to producers Jake and Charlie, from all of us here, it's goodbye.

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