Eze hat-trick stuns Spurs, as Liverpool + Man City are beaten again

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0:43Sunday 23rd of November, hi to you if you're watching us on YouTube and hello to you if you're listening in podcast format. It is a Totally Football Show and on it today we've got Daniel Story. Hi Daniel. Hello James You've been to Hillsborough haven't you today Daniel? Yeah Leicester Stoke yesterday and yeah Sheffield went to Sheffield United today in what was a hideously one-sided derby insert segue into the Premier League weekend Oh right because there was another one of those A Tom Williams is here he sorted out his wires Hello James Yes Excellent You're just back from Paris where you were doing Match of the Day for Canal Plus It was Un Multiplex Yes Yes, very exciting.

1:29Saturday, Le Multiplex. Le Multiplex. Where we have all the games on live at once and we just kind of hop around the ground. We have a little jingle that Canal Ploose have been using in their football coverage for like 40 years. Do-do-do-do-do-do. You hear the jingle. It means a goal has gone in. Where has it gone in? Chris Kamara. It's not Chris Kamara, of course, because it's in France. Which Soccer Saturday type role do you play? Who are you out of the sort of legendary Soccer Saturday crew, would you say? I have quite a sort of a background role I try not to say too much I leave it for the X-Pro Right Of course it was a busy and quite newsworthy set of 3 o 'clock games yesterday We all agreed afterwards it was a bon multiplex A bon multiplex Yeah, not for Liverpool supporters Of course, we'll get on to that game But here's Adrian Clarke as well, Adrian Hello, what a great evening it is, eh?

2:21Is it, Adrian? Yeah Is it a great evening? Adrian, everyone, has been at the Emirates, haven't you? I have, yeah. You got back here unbelievably quickly. I know. Bursting. I couldn't wait to talk about it. Right. That is the truth. Talk about it. Yeah, the battering. The battering. Arsenal 4, Spurs 1 in the North London derby, and yet it feels like that scoreline barely scratches the surface of Arsenal's dominance. We'll get on to that game. We'll get on to it very, very soon, but a really good weekend for the Gunners. They get their biggest win in the derby for how many years? I don't know. We beat them 5-2 a few years ago.

2:59All right. It felt bigger anyway. But a real statement victory in the North London derby, while at the same time one of their chief rivals, Manchester City, lose on Saturday 2-1 at Newcastle to a Harvey Barnes brace. City now slip to seven points behind the Gunners. Chelsea are now Arsenal's closest challengers. Their 2-0 win at Burnley moves them into second spot. They are six points behind Arsenal, but they host them at the bridge next weekend. Elsewhere, Forrest went to Liverpool, and had its slot side there sixth defeat in seven matches in the league. Forrest moving out of the bottom three in the process.

3:32West Ham also moving up to 17th spot. The Hambers hanging on for a 2-2 draw at Bournemouth after being two goals up. Dropping down into the relegation zone. Meanwhile, Leeds, who were beaten 2-1 at home, to Villa on Sunday afternoon and Burnley, who of course got done by Chelsea. Wolves stay bottom. They're now nine points adrift. They got beaten 2-0 by Palace in Rob Edwards' first game in charge. on Saturday. Also this weekend, Brighton came from behind to beat Brentford at the Amex and Fulham saw off Sunderland 1-0. Of course, there is still Man Utd Everton to come on Monday evening and should Man Utd win that game, there'll be only a point behind Man City.

4:14Only a point behind Man City. We begin at the Emirates. This is the Totely Football Show with James Richardson, part of the Athletic FC podcast network.

4:27Eze, Dominic Hattrick.

4:34A match ball he comprise forever and a day. A match ball he will treasure. A match day that Adrian, I know, will remain locked in your heart for forever and two days, possibly. Special times, these. Yeah, really special. But for Eze, he's etched his name in Arsenal history, hasn't he? folklore, first ever Premier League hat-trick by an Arsenal player in the North London derby. Only the fourth ever hat-trick in this fixture. For either team. 198 games. Right. So that means there's a hat-trick scored roughly once every 50 games, more or less. Right. Just to put it in some mathematical context. And obviously, the narrative before the game is he turned down Spurs to join Arsenal.

5:18He's a gooner. He's always been a Arsenal fan. He's playing in his first ever North London derby. to score a hat-trick is just astonishing. It's his first ever career hat-trick and they were all really good goals as well, weren't they? So, yeah, sensational performance. Equally astonishing was the amount of space that Spurs' five-man defence afforded, is he, for his hat-trick performance. One question I have is, was Havertz getting injured the making of this Arsenal season potentially, Daniel? There's certainly an argument for it. I mean, I think in general, the Arsenal injuries are something to behold because that's why this is so impressive.

5:54You look at the team today and they're missing their first-choice striker, their second-choice striker, their third-choice striker, their best central defender and their best creative central midfielder in Martin Odegaard. And yet I never for a second thought they wouldn't win the game. I was even more sure when I saw how Spurs were going to set up. There's still a little kind of nagging doubt in the back of the minds of Arsenal as a collective, I think, when the game is nil-nil and they're struggling to create clear-cut chances. But as soon as they score now, they just trample, I love you. And Spurs did allow them to do that.

6:27I thought it was an embarrassing team selection. I thought it was an even more embarrassing performance. But Arsenal just needed to click straight back into gear after last weekend to kind of rubber stamp their dominance on the title race. And I know you say they go to Chelsea next weekend, but they are light years ahead of Chelsea at the moment. And I think it will be a cakewalk from here. A cakewalk from here to the end of the season, Daniel. Well, yeah, I mean, I'm not saying they're going to win every game, but I don't think you'll need to get 90 points this season or anywhere close. You look at, I think, 45 points.

7:01Chelsea, Man City and Liverpool have dropped so far this season. The supposed contenders at the start. And Arsenal are on course for 92 points. And they've had those injuries that I've mentioned and those players will come back. So, yeah, I don't really see where competition comes from. Cue me looking stupid and Chelsea doing them next weekend. But even then, I think there's too much resolve, too much self-belief there now that they've got themselves into positions where they're not chasing anyone. They're not having to win every week to keep the lead. And I think that'll be enough. It is a testing week for Arsenal.

7:36They have Bayern Munich, who've been looking pretty awesome themselves in both the Bundesliga and in the Champions League midweek and then the trip to Stamford Bridge. Adrian, from today's performance, Trossard it was who opened the scoring. Apart from Eze, who was magnificent, who else stood out for you? I thought everybody was at least an 8 out of 10, but I think Trossard's having a brilliant season. It was a really clever run, wasn't it, that he made. But what about the pass from Mikel Marina? That was absolutely sensational. And I thought his performance was close to perfection in terms of what you need from a false nine centre forward.

8:14He held the ball beautifully, took up some great positions. Obviously, he made that goal with a sublime pass. He won five out of five tackles in the game, so he tracked back and regained the ball. I think he drew three fouls. I just thought that he played that part perfectly. Trosser was great on the left. Saka was dynamite down the right. Hink-Appier, I think, to come in for his full Premier League debut and looked really comfortable was a big plus as well. So no, it was a glorious sort of evening for Arsenal supporters, but maybe not a surprising one. Yeah, because this team is building something very special.

8:51Okay. Where would you rank this among special Arsenal performances you've seen of late? In terms of the performance, it was a very good performance. Right. But it was against this Spurs. It didn't need to be anything other than very good. Because the numbers suggest that this is actually one of the all-time worst ever. I don't know why I'm laughing, but it's just some stunning numbers about it. In terms of their performance in this game, the numbers, the amount of play that they produce, this is one of their worst ever performances. Video producer Jake actually pointing out that they have now broken their own record for lowest XG ever twice in the same month, first of all against Chelsea, and now this.

9:32Yeah, I mean, well, the defeat against Chelsea, which is obviously at home, felt like the very epitome of a toothless attacking performance. And then this game against Arsenal, you know, hold my beer. And yet they do score one goal. It's an absolute worldy 45 yard lob from Richarlison. But apart from that, they created nothing. And there are a lot of key absentees at Spurs in attacking areas. there are new players betting in Chavi Simmons again who started on the bench today people like Randall Colomwani but they created absolutely nothing with the ball and as we've already alluded to it's one thing to set up in a very defensive way you know for a game of such importance but when you then defend so abysmally and the one area of the pitch where Tottenham should have been relatively well protected was the middle of the pitch because they had three centre-backs and two number sixes.

10:30And there's quite a lot of Spurs fans who aren't massive fans of the Rodrigo, Bentancur, Palinha double pivot. But on paper, at least, it looks solid. And yet every single Arsenal goal just came straight through the middle. You know, Arsenal saw early on with that little dinked pass from Eze for Rice that there was a path to goal over the Spurs defence. And that ended up yielding the first goal. And then it was just Eze picking up space on the edge of the box. And then for the fourth goal, Not only is there this space that opens up, you've got Destiny Udogi speeding across like, you know, Wile E Coyote.

11:07And Eze just strokes it in. And yeah, I mean, from a Spurs perspective, an absolute nightmare. Daniel, how much blame lies with Thomas Frank for this performance? How much understanding should he be afforded by the unique circumstances at that club upon his arrival? I think the leeway he was given at the start and the goodwill he had is dissipating quickly. I mean, you could say it was a courageous thing to do in that if you go into a local derby and you pick a purely defensive team, one that doesn't look as if it knows how to forge a counterattack. So it was just get the ball rid and hope that we don't concede in the first, I guess, what, 50, 60 minutes.

11:52And you lose the game heavily, then you get the full focus. The spotlight is always on you. Because what I thought was really interesting is that when Spurs scored that freak goal, and it was a freak goal, for about 10 minutes, they played really well. And there seemed to be energy in the play. And they seemed to actually be able to get up Arsenal, even from 3-1 down. And you could tell that with the sound of the Emirates. It just went quiet for about seven or eight minutes while the crowd sort of worked out, hang on, maybe pride could come before a fall if we make too much of this now. And obviously in the end, it didn't matter.

12:22But that suggests to me that the players were looking for a reason to play like that, which suggests that the instructions were to stay that deep and to play that deep and just to play direct football. I mean, I remember looking, I think five or six times in the first half, I looked and all 11 Spurs players were 30 yards from their own goal or nearer. So it's not as if they were even leaving one up. And if you leave one up and it's Mohamed Koudis, then maybe he can win two duels because he's good at that. Maybe he can dribble past two players, but they weren't even trying. So the goodwill is dissipating quickly.

12:57I do think he was dealt a pretty awful hand. I think Spurs dallied. I think the Eze is like the grand irony of today is that I think if they hadn't dallied so much, he might be a Spurs player. and that is not on Thomas Frank. But the more this continues, the more that the question will be, well, hang on, maybe you just overachieved at Brentford. Maybe that didn't mean that you were right for Tottenham. They've got Piers Sheehan midweek of Spurs. Interesting to see how they line up for that one. Yeah, and they played a back five in that Super Cup final and did quite well, didn't they? But I think to do it in the North London derby felt a little bit defeatist from the outset.

13:33And just the attitude of the Spurs players, Once Arsenal got that first goal, I think that they knew that they were going to get beaten and they were going to get beaten heavily. The body language was poor and I don't think they played with any conviction at all. If I was a Spurs supporter, I'd be quite concerned about that performance. I think the position that they're in in the league table is really a false one at the moment. OK, still only two points off a Champions League player. Yeah, they've got no chance of finishing top four. No chance. No chance. Daniel's saying it's plain sailing all the way for Arsenal.

14:04You say no chance that Spurs are going to make top four. Nowhere near it. On the subject of Arsenal, Adrian, who concerns you now? You've got Chelsea coming up at the weekend and they are the closest. Are they looming in your rearview mirror? Are they causing you sleepless nights, Chelsea? Not really, no. Who is? No one really. Erling Haaland. Erling Haaland. He's probably the only... I think if he stays fit the whole season, City, you would imagine would have a chance. but I look at City's away form over not just this season but going back further and I looked at it from last year the last time City beat anyone of any note away from home and I'm discounting Spurs who finished 17th last year it's Chelsea and when did they play Chelsea?

14:50Match week one of last season that's the last time they really took a scalp away from home and I think for them to really challenge Arsenal for the title this season They're going to have to take two, three or four big name scalps on the road. Tom, you take a scalp away from him every time you go on holiday, of course. But what did you want to contribute? Well, I was just going to say maybe Arsenal's biggest opponents are Arsenal themselves. Right. That's so nice. Yeah. Yeah. But that's why if this gap grows, then that should hopefully take that stress out of the equation. because obviously it has been so long since Arsenal have won the title that there's bound to be an element of tension.

15:31But if there can be a huge gap like Liverpool had last year, then... You can focus on the Champions League. Yeah, and I think, honestly, I just think this game against Bayern is really a bit of a fun shootout. The really important game is Chelsea because if Arsenal win that and go nine points clear of Chelsea, that's going to give them unbelievable confidence. OK. There's no one near them, is there? There's no one near Arsenal in terms of quality. The Premier League is there as the bookies can start paying out, put the ribbons on the trophy. Nothing can go wrong from here. Five wins in the last six matches for Chelsea in the Premier League.

16:10Are they acquiring a bit of form in time for their Stamford Bridge clash? This weekend it was a 2-0 win away at Burnley. Professional performance from Chelsea. Burnley were better than Chelsea for about half an hour. played some nice football, created some good chances. And then once Chelsea scored, great diving header from Neto, lovely cross from Jamie Gittins. From that moment on, Burnley were happy to lose 2-0. They're so passive. They're so accepting of their fate, unfortunately, under Scott Parker. I said Tottenham have no chance of finishing in the top four. Burnley have no chance of staying up.

16:48Really? No chance? No chance. No chance. No. Not unless they change their outlook. Well, then there is a chance. But yes, OK, as things stand. I mean, I don't think... I think there's a stat out there that Scott Parker has barely ever turned around a deficit as a Premier League manager. And it never looked like it happened in this game. The impressive players were Andre Santos, who came in for Caicedo. He played really well in central midfield. I think that Joao Pedro looked fantastic at number 10. But my overall assessment is that Chelsea are really good going forward. But the back four, I think it's a mid-table back four.

17:30Crikey. All right. And that's before we even get on to the goalkeeper, Robert Sanchez, who managed to clean out Enzo Fernandes with a punt out in the fifth minute or something. Remarkable start to the game. So they've got Barcelona at home midweek. That won't feature Cole Palmer, as this game did not. He was due to be back, but he broke his toe in an accident at home, stubbing his toe on a door, which is really, really painful. And that's going to keep him out for, what, another month or so, they say? And, like, stubbing your toe is one of the most painful things that you can do as a person. If you're a professional footballer whose toes are that much more valuable than the likes of our toes, then that pain is...

18:15You can't do your stubber toe on the door without kicking it. No, I mean, you've kicked it, haven't you? But what you've just caught, you've just misjudged the space. And I think it was his little toe as well. Well, there'll be the outside one, I imagine. Yeah, outside the foot. Outside the foot on the door. I broke my little toe once. Yeah. And basically, it was for Southend, they said, well, you're going to have to play on. Because, like, it's only your little toe. And they said you have to have injections before the game. And they only really lasted for about 70 minutes. and then the last 20 in absolute agony.

18:47And it'll be like begging to come off. But, yeah, it was sort of knees muster. Did you put swell up inside your boot? Yeah, it was a fat little toe. I fractured my toe famously actually once on a kind of rocky outcrop by a swimming pool and I had to film. I still had to film. Brutal. You're a soldier. No, he didn't even give me injections. So Cole Palmer, that's rotten news for him and for Chelsea. but we'll see what Chelsea do next weekend. Lots more to talk about today though with what went on with Manchester City and Liverpool. More appropriately, what went on with Forest and Newcastle.

19:41James Pearce, Oli Kaye and the very best football writers around. Oh, the Totally Football Show European Edition. Listener, if you're keen to know what's happened this weekend around Europe and indeed what the prospects are for those midweek Champions League, etc. matchups, do give the Totally Football Show European Edition a listen when it comes out on Tuesday morning. Among the big Champions League fixtures, Chelsea up against Barcelona and Arsenal have Bayern, as we mentioned. Paris Saint-Germain host Spurs. Inter, who are currently playing the Milan derby, are away at Atletico Madrid. Liverpool are up against PSV Eindhoven.

20:17And all bets are off, I would imagine, right now, about how that game will go. While Manchester City host Bayer Leverkusen. Of course, both City and Liverpool were beaten this weekend. City at Newcastle, Liverpool at home to Forest. Their second straight 3-0 defeat after their loss by that scoreline to Manchester City. It's the first time that Liverpool have lost back-to-back league games by that margin since 1965. Crikey, Daniel, first off, let's give this one to you. It was Nottingham Forest who went to Anfield Saturday afternoon and triumphed 3-0. Are you liking what you see under this Sean Dyche fellow?

20:52Free kick is driven by Murillo, wide to the right for Hutchinson. Hutchinson having a run at them into the penalty area. Chance to shoot. Alisson saves. Yes! It's 3-0!

21:08I'm liking it because it's different to the Sean Dyche that I think was kind of advertised to Forrest. I think the reason he was appointed, and let's be perfectly clear here, he was appointed because Forrest appointed that, you know, they lost a manager and then appointed a wrong one and then sacked him very quickly. This was not sort of grand design by any means, but they have landed on a guy who has history at the club. His coaches have an even bigger history at the club. He has, as he mentions, every three and a half seconds in every press conference he does, he has a reason to prove people wrong.

21:44And he's doing exactly that. Firstly, Forrest are better defensively now. This was their first clean sheet in the league since 1st of April, which is mad, really, but needed to happen. And I don't think they could move forward without that. but they're playing good counter-attacking football. It's not purely defensive. The kind of defining moment of this game for me was after 61 minutes when Forrest were already 2-0 up and had scored right at the start of the second half and Liverpool were building up pressure and Sean Dyche took off Nico Dominguez who was playing out on the left but is a central midfielder and brought on Amari Hutchinson, a pure right winger and a really attacking change and it meant that Liverpool couldn't just pile forward against Forrest and put on more and more pressure.

22:31And then 15 minutes later, Hutchinson's the one that beats two players on the right, takes a shot, comes out and Forrest have got four players in the penalty area, 2-0 up at Anfield. That isn't the Sean Dyche I thought we were going to get. I thought we would get the organiser. And I thought he would want to do that because I think he suspects that everyone thinks he's too defensive. But I didn't think this quickly he would have built the attack up so well. And I think very quickly, I think it just comes down to fitness. You listen to every Forest player in every interview. Morgan Gibbs-White was asked after the game on Saturday, what's the difference?

23:03And he said, he's got us playing differently. And he said, well, why is that? And he just said, it's running, running, running. He's got us fitter. He's got us stronger and he's got us more up for it, which is pretty damning of Ange. But also, yeah, it kind of shows that there's life in Sean Dyches, not just a kind of firefighter coach, hopefully. I've got a stat for you, Dan. He's not ready for the Deliveroo ad yet. No, no, no. I've got a stat that will please you then, because this running, running, running stuff that you're talking about, Nottingham Forest ran over six and a half kilometres further than Liverpool in this game, which is a quite colossal disparity.

23:43I wonder if they were to have run out of the stadium, how far, if we could put it on the map. Nottingham Forest Gump, that would be. There you go. 6.5k from Anfield. you're probably heading to a south point start the M62 it's a fascinating question Morton Gibbs-White, one of the many people to really look reborn under Sean Dyche hadn't scored before the gravel voice Grizzly one arrived but has now bagged four in Dyche's six games in charge six games which has seen one defeat and three victories now I think, the other two being draws Of course, Murillo Shorts. Hi, Murillo Shorts. Right, since potentially I'm slightly biased.

24:29But did Murillo just put in one of the all-round, not just defensive, great performances of the season in this game? Built like Tyson, but feet like Travolta, said Murillo Shorts. The boy's got all the moves. That's a tremendous line. Yeah, I mean, he is an absolute. He's a dreamboat of a defender. He really is. There are times when, particularly towards the end of last season, it almost looked too easy for him and he tried to do too much and make a mistake. I remember the last minute in the home game against Everton, which I guess ultimately cost Forrest the Champions League. But when he's on it, he's absolutely fantastic.

25:07And the comparison with him and or the contrast between him and Milenkovic as the kind of inverted commas proper defender works. Morgan Gibbs-White, by the way, he wasn't contributing in an attacking sense here in the season and he was getting criticised for that. But the work he does off the ball in not just pressing, but directing everybody else's press is beyond anything I've ever seen in a Forest year. And my favourite Forest players throughout history have always been hard workers, more than skilful players. But he does both. He really does. And I think he's been unfairly criticised this season.

25:43I think being left out of the England squad has clearly motivated him. He's got three and three since then. and yeah a good Morgan Gibbs-White is a good Nottingham Forrest as far as I'm concerned. Wow. Forrest hosts Malmo in the Europa League on Thursday. Not sure if you're going along to that Daniel but that's a rematch to the 1979 European Cup final. Yeah and when the draw was made the owner who we should say has his critics he said he was going to get everybody from both finals both Malmo team and the Forrest team everyone that's still around, everyone that can be there will be there for a kind of celebration of that final, which is really nice.

26:19There will be changes from Forest because their next three games are, they've got Wolves and they've got Everton and they've got Villa. And if they can take points out of those games, then suddenly relegation will feel a little bit less like a possibility. And as the Premier League is at the moment, I was getting messages from mates on Saturday while I was at Leicester saying, we're only seven points off fifth. and you're like, yeah, we're back again. That's fine. Magnificent. Liverpool, meanwhile, are in action midweek. They host PSV Eindhoven before a trip to the similarly resurgent West Ham next Sunday.

26:55Who looks worse right now, Spurs or Liverpool? Tom? I mean, no one looks worse than Spurs. Probably just get out of the way. But I think Liverpool is obviously more surprising because of the heights they hit last season. And I watched this game yesterday and they actually started the game pretty well. They had lots of the ball, full of ideas. Salah was lively on the right. Gatpo was lively on the left. Curtis Jones playing slightly further forward than he does sometimes, was trying to thread passes through. But then as so often happens with Liverpool this season, the first sign of resistance, they crumble.

27:32Forrest scored from a set piece and Liverpool were experts at coming from behind to win last season. They picked up 23 points from losing positions last season. How many have they picked up this year? A big fat zero. Every time they've fallen behind, they've gone on to lose. Van Dijk touched on this in his post-game comments about how we panic when Forrest score. And you see it. And so they concede a pretty sloppy goal from a set piece. 1-0 down at half-time. Then you're thinking, right, what kind of reaction are we going to get from Liverpool in the second half? well the kind of reaction you're going to get is they're going to be 2-0 down before most people have even sat back down in their seats again because Nicolas Savona scores Forrest second and then Gibbs White adds a third and you just felt the game running away from Liverpool from the moment they fell behind.

28:26So James Pearce in his report on The Athletic calls this the bleakest day of the Arnes Lott era. Says James Pearce injuries haven't helped but the bigger issue is the lack of cohesion, belief and fight in those left standings. as a former player, is that something that really leaps out at you? Yeah, like you can look at Slott and say he's made some bad decisions this season, some team selections have been strange and that he's lost his touch in terms of those in-game tweaks, which he was so good at last year. And all that is valid. But the one standout for me, whenever I watch Liverpool at the moment, is there's a lack of hunger.

28:59They don't look hungry. And you look at the goals, like the sloppiness of the marking for the one from Murillo. The one at the start of the second half is probably the worst, where both fullbacks combine for Forrest inside the box. Well, they're not tracked properly by the wingers, and that's been a problem for them. You know, Canate is trying to sort of, you know, I don't know, sleepwalk through this season. He just doesn't look anywhere near the same. So, yeah, there's a lot of issues. But hunger, I would say, is the big thing. And I guess when you've climbed the mountain, it's bound to impact you the next year.

29:37Other managers have managed to keep that fire burning or relight it. I'm not sure how in a team that has lost its desire to the extent that it seems to have done what the next step is. Often a club decides to make a change on the bench. David Lim says, what would be the scenario where Liverpool would have no choice but to sack slot or hypothetical and hopefully highly unlikely of course but worth discussing in question mark. Mike says, can anyone work out how Liverpool fix this? they look mentally broken. Every time they go behind their finish, obviously you can't ignore what happened in the summer, but no part of this team is working.

30:10You see a lot now of comments essentially calling on a slot Liverpool's Avram Grant, taking over a functioning team and having a brief period of success. A bit like Wiley Koji running off a cliff and maintaining his trajectory for a significant period of time before you get a bit of a fall-off. If he hadn't have won the title last year... Won the title and then spent, what, 400 million? Yeah, if he hadn't have won the title and spent all that money, he probably would be sacked now. But he did win the title, so I think that buys him a little bit more time. But yeah, it is crisis point. There's no doubt about that.

30:44I mean, it was a bit desperate, wasn't it, when he went to a back three? Was it 3-3-4? And you were talking about in-game tweaks, which last season was a real calling card for Slott and for Liverpool. This season, when they go behind, he very frequently just seems to throw on all the attacking players. Liverpool end up with this kind of extremely unbalanced 4-2-4 system. All the attacking players on it, it's like, come on, guys, there's loads of you there. One of you is going to score a goal, please. And, you know, it's not happening. Isak could potentially save him, couldn't he? But if he started to find some form.

31:15Isak from the Saks. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, exactly that. Yeah, very nice. 14 touches in 68 minutes, right? Just to put that into context, Eketike came on, 35 minutes, had 20 touches. Chiesa came on for Isak, had 22 minutes and 24 touches. Ngamoua, the teenager, was only on for 12 minutes and he matched Isak's. But is that his fault? That's people not looking for him, is it? It's just not clicking. I don't think he's working hard enough to make the right runs. And Liverpool haven't got used to him. It's obviously been a lot of chopping and changing with slots, indecision over how to accommodate the two of them.

31:59Daniel, how do you fix Liverpool? I think it's really, really difficult because every single part of the team is broken. And the solutions, because of the spend in the final third, in the front three, and the lack of spending behind them, certainly in central defence and in central midfield, I'm not quite counting Florian versus a full, you know, a natural central midfielder. He's a bit more attacking than that. The only solutions seem to be to either rotate the same parts or to move players out of position. So, you know, you could potentially try and rest Canate for a bit, but then Giovanni Leone got injured and so Joe Gomez is really the only other option.

32:38That just feels like deck chair rearrangement to me. I think Gomez struggles on the same issues as Canate. You talk about the full-back issues with Bradley injured and Frimpong injured, but then all you're doing is pulling out of midfield and the midfield isn't working anyway. The only guarantees in that team are the players you have to get in because of either the money spent or their status in the squad are Van Dijk, Salah, Isaac and Wurtz. Because you spent big money on two of them, you gave a huge contract to another and he's 30, 31, 32 and Van Dijk is the kind of leader at the back and none of them are playing very well.

33:12You know, they're not awful all the time but I haven't watched a game this season where all of them have played at 7 or 10 or better which is completely mad given that they won the league last year. Right, it'll be interesting to see what happens on Wednesday with PSV arriving at Anfield. Man City and Liverpool had 38 shots between them on Saturday. And how many goals did they score? Just one. That was from Manchester City. Ruben Dears in the 68th minute in a kind of remarkable flurry of scoring that happened at St James' Park. Harvey Barnes had opened the scoring for the Magpies. Then Dears replied.

33:49And then Barnes got another just a few minutes later to seal a 2-1 victory for Newcastle, who bounced back nicely Saturday from those back-to-back defeats at West Ham and Brentford. Indeed, Eddie Howe beating Manchester City for the first time in his career, having failed in his previous, I think, 18 attempts. And only the second time that Newcastle have beaten Manchester City in their last 36 attempts in the Premier League, which is pretty extraordinary. Wow. So, why were they able to do it this time? A lot of people say full-backs. the transformative power of Tina Levermento and Lewis Hall returning.

34:25Yeah, well, I mean, Lewis Hall, who was probably only starting because Dan Byrne was suspended after his dismissal at Brentford before the international break, and Tina Levermento, who came in for Kieran Trippier. And the fact that you had two sort of pacey, proper full-backs meant that they could get forward, double up on City in the wide areas. You obviously had Harvey Barnes on the left, Jacob Murphy on the right, and that Newcastle just had a lot of joy in wide areas. Harvey Barnes, prior to scoring his brace, missed an absolute sitter in the first half. Bruno Gimaraes, who I thought was absolutely exceptional, plays one of those classic Bruno Gimaraes passes in between the fullback and centre-back.

35:07So I think it was Murphy, crosses to Barnes at the back post and he hits it wide, but they stuck at it. And then, yeah, it was Gimaraes again who links up with Barnes. I think Barnes wins the ball back, lays it off to Gimaraes, goes on a little weaving run and then he lays it off to Barnes to crash in the first bottom left. And then after Diaz has equalized, it's Guimaraes' effort that comes back off the bar. Barnes tucks it in. And yeah, they look good in Newcastle. I mean, I find their league form has been slightly baffling, Newcastle, because they look really good in the Champions League. They're still going in the League Cup.

35:42And, you know, they've generally turned up for the big matches. Very unlucky to lose at home to Liverpool. very unlucky to lose at home to Arsenal so you felt like this kind of performance and this kind of result against a heavyweight was coming and it was City who ended up being on the end of it They've got Marseille midweek Tom what did Marseille get up to this weekend? They won 5-1 at Nice on Friday and there was a stat in the keep today which pointed out that in the calendar year 2025 the only teams in Europe's five major leagues to have scored more goals than Marseille are Bayern Munich and Barcelona which is pretty impressive Roberto De Zerbi's free scoring OM he's good isn't he De Zerbi he's a good manager yeah and Marseille have been great to watch they went top with that didn't they for a bit for a day they did yes and then PSG went top inevitably after beating Le Havon on Saturday but no but Marseille are looking like they're going places and it'll be a fantastic atmosphere one of the other differences about this Newcastle side which beat Mount City of course was the fact that Harvey Barnes was in for Anthony Gordon.

36:53Harvey Barnes has been pretty effective as a substitute, but has struggled to get a place in the starting line-up. Do you think that might change going forward? Yeah, I mean, it was a great performance from him. Superb. He's always been a good finisher, hasn't he? I mean, he's had some great moments for Newcastle. I always liked him at Leicester. I think he's an excellent player. I mean, they didn't miss Anthony Gordon. So that's the biggest compliment you can pay him, really. I do think the full-backs made a difference. For me, it was the midfield three of Newcastle. If they're at it, Jolinton, Grimma-Reiss and Tonali, if they're really in the mood, they're horrible to play against.

37:33They're really horrible to play against. And I just look at that City team. He didn't change it, did he? I think he kept the same team that have done so well at home. And it's a lot on Nico Gonzalez away from home. Tough plays. He's got Foden on one side, Bernardo not getting any younger on the other, and he's got Cherky and Doku in front. He's the only defender there, isn't he? And Newcastle are on you. And it put, I think, a lot of pressure on him in this game. I think they probably should have changed that midfield configuration in hindsight. But, you know, you live and learn. It was a good performance from Newcastle, and I think it deserved to win, really.

38:14Okay. Guardiola with his fourth defeat in the league this season. No Guardiola side has ever lost that many games at this point of a campaign. After the match, he was pictured complimenting Gimaraes, I think, for his midfield performance and probably the referee as well and a camera operator. But nobody knows what he said to the camera operator, Pep. Is that right? Not yet. I don't think an explanation has yet emerged. Midweek, Manchester City will be facing Paul Leverkusen. Up next for us, we're off to Ellen Road.

39:11in front. Morgan Rodgers making it look so very easy. Early Sunday saw Aston Villa go behind Ellen Road to Leeds, but turned things around. Pretty much from the start of the second half, actually, Daniel Marlon came on and immediately set up Morgan Rodgers, who then got a second with a gorgeous free kick, which is apparently the first time he's ever tried scoring a goal from a free kick. A little bit like, I'm not sure if Tom, you have pointed this out, or maybe producer Charlie, Declan Rice with his magnificent free kick against Bayern last season that was the first time oh against Real Madrid sorry yeah first time he'd had a go at it and Bosch and now Morgan Rodgers apparently too but it was a lovely free kick no I mean yeah I didn't see much this game so I was in the Arsenal press room fair enough tucking into a lovely Sunday roast Tom you saw it Daniel you saw it I saw the free kick though and that was that was that was unbelievable technique alright then yeah so Villa win this free kick I think it was Ross Barkley who'd just come on, was taken down on the edge of the box.

40:14And Villa had made a double change at halftime and taken off Luca Dignes and Emi Buendia, two regular free kick takers. Who's going to take the free kick? It was Morgan Rodgers, stepped up and did a very passable Emi Buendia impersonation. A kind of knuckleball, but with the side of the foot. Sort of David Luiz, Didier Drogba style. I don't know how they do that. I think it's a very peculiar action. I've never kicked a ball like that. And I think you'd have to practice it an awful lot. to side foot it and to get that top spin. If you had a broken toe, that would be the way to do it. Well, there you go.

40:48I don't know how you do that. There's very few players who've mastered that specific technique. You get a lot of players who kind of hit across the ball, the kind of Andrea Pirlo, like Cristiano Ronaldo, Gareth Bale technique, but that's more the side of the foot. This is a proper side foot. Ronaldo also had the valve kicking technique as well. Yes. I think it was Roberto Carlos, wasn't it, who brought that? Was that him? That was his thing. One of his explanations for the free kick against France in the Tour Noir was, oh, you've always got to hit the valve. Cue an entire generation of school boys, one of whom was me, making sure to hit the valve every time you ever took a free kick.

41:25Rarely were the same results. Well, the same went for him, of course, famously. Morgan Rodgers having already equalised with a beautifully taken goal three minutes into the second half. and Leeds were good value for their lead at half-time. Very untidy goal, but there was a real sort of, you know, sense of purpose to Leeds. Villa looked a little bit ponderous on the ball. Ollie Watkins wasn't really getting in the game all that much. And then at half-time, Unai Emery made this double change and put Doniel Marlin in to play just off Ollie Watkins. Morgan Rodgers got moved out to the left and very quickly Marlon pops up in space on the right by the byline, fizzes in across and Rodgers produces this beautiful finish with the outside of his left foot inside the far post and then Villa were kind of on top from that point on.

42:18Rodgers scores the second from the free kick and they were deserved winners in the end. They moved up into the top four with that victory. Ninth victory indeed in their last 11 matches in all competitions for Leeds. The picture rather different. That was their fifth defeat in their last six. They move into the relegation zone with teams like Forest and West Ham, Daniel. On the move in an upward trajectory, you worry. Yeah, you do worry because, as you say, five defeats in six. They've led in the last two and lost them both. I think Daniel Farker was really badly let down by the summer recruitment in the final third.

42:55I think between Noah Okafor, Lucas Nemetja, Joel Pirro and Dominic Calvert-Lewin, I think you probably fashion one and a half strikers who are good enough for the Premier League out of those four. But they're just sort of rotating the cast and hoping to find the answer and it's not really enough. They also badly lack creativity behind them. They've got Brendan Aronson and Jack Harrison. They're sort of worker bees, but they're not really creative influences. So you've got strikers who can't really create for themselves, who aren't really being serviced. and they are now the second lowest scorers in the league behind Wolves and they're starting to concede goals too.

43:34So yeah, you do worry for them. I mean, I think Farker will probably leave his job by the end of the season if Leeds are in trouble and they are the ones of those three of them, Burnley and Wolves, who could escape if another club stays dragged in, you know, West Ham or Forest or Fulham or whoever. but as it stands suddenly, yeah, after this weekend particularly, that bottom three now looks quite settled even though there's basically no gap between them and the teams above. Wolves have already made their change, bringing in Rob Edwards who had his first game in charge at Molyneux on Saturday at home to Crystal Palace.

44:13Tom, give us a stat about Wolves. Yeah, well, so that Wolves tally of two points after 12 games is the third lowest in top flight history after Manchester United in 1930. and Sheffield United in 2020. By comparison, the historically feeble Derby County team of 07-08 already had six points by this stage of that season, making them three times better than this Wolves team. I mean, that's science, isn't it? That's just maths. That's how it works. That's extraordinary. So when I put this repeatedly to Duncan Alexander that the Derby record will be broken and possibly shattered this season by Wolves, He always goes, no, it's not going to happen.

44:54It can't happen. Can it? I don't think it's going to happen either. No, I don't think they're as calamitous as the points tally would suggest. I just don't. So what's happening then? Well, I mean, again, a simple sort of recruitment issue that Daniel was talking about at Leeds. But that's... Got rid of good players, didn't sign anyone that was really good enough to replace them. I think they showed spirit in this game. I mean, obviously, they were beaten. well beaten in the end probably should have been worse it looked a clear penalty to me that did it get overturned or it got looked at didn't it where there was a foul from Wolfer on Saar it was clearly inside the box that they ended up not giving them but yeah no I think Rob Edwards has started to get a tune out of them I just still can't get the performance of Wolves at Spurs out of my head they were really good in that game they didn't win I think they drew didn't they right at the end Spurs scored but they looked a good team that day so I'm going to say that they will beat Derby.

45:58They've got good players, Wolves. Daniel? I don't think they have got good players. I think they've got a really... No, not really. Certainly not one that's in form. They also lose six players to AFCON, I think, in January. I'm not saying they will break Derby's record and I'm certainly not saying I want them to but I think if Rob Edwards loses his first three or four games and they've already made the move then this can really unravel quickly because I did a piece on them a couple of weeks ago and I spoke to a few fans for it and the one thing they all said is we just don't want to lose to Derby's record we just don't want to be the worst ever Premier League team and this was like mid-October yeah this was mid-October you know one of them said some people are worried about doing a Derby but I'm worried about becoming Reading and you think I know there's an element of everything's going wrong so if we prepare for the worst then maybe somehow we won't be disappointed in whatever happens next week or the week after or the week after that but it's toxic there with supporters between supporters and Jeff Shee and the owners and it's not going to get any better if they keep losing games I mean they're obviously down because to get 36 points which is at least what they'd need they need 34 from 24 so they're going to have to win draw and lose win draw and lose on repeat and that still wouldn't be enough and they've got two points in 12 games so they almost can't stay up now unless they have an incredible run that nobody sees coming over the next month or so right or a january or sorry no just maybe i think there will be a willingness to try and get supporters back on side with uh squad improvement but you can't just make players come you know insert caveat about super agents having some influence over transfer dealings there that are fairly public knowledge but you can't make a player want to join a club that's got let's say seven points from 20 Premier League games or seven points from 17 Premier League games because they see the future after that and the future is me playing championship football next season or struggling to get out of this club and it's too late for that now they should have been doing this you know i think they i'm trying to think back to the numbers on this piece but they basically sold players for around 300 million pounds over the last three years and that's everybody that's neves to jimenez to netto to kilman to everybody you know everybody has left they've actually spent a net loss in that time on players they spent more than that on players but they're just not as good not good enough they're really poor they bought players who seem completely underprepared for the Premier League and or were at least going to take seven to eight months to settle in the Premier League and they haven't got that time because they basically I think banked on the promoted clubs being awful again and as soon as those promoted clubs weren't awful they were in trouble and it turns out they're in trouble anyway because they've only got two points.

48:58Two points at nine currently from safety. West Ham like Forrest beginning to move themselves out of danger although they only came away from a from a busy vitality stadium with a point after being two nil up away to bournemouth this is another game on saturday that was invisible to uk viewers but you tom were able to view on le multiplex what did the french make of it yeah i mean one of the most entertaining games the weekend in the you know west ham carrying the form from their recent wins over newcastle and burnley into this game going two nil up callum wilson who suddenly hit a really decent patch of form, getting a couple of goals.

49:38I'm trying to think if it was the first or the second goal. Good goals. I mean, good goals, but a classic route one football for, I think, the first goal. Alphonse Areola just, like, you know, hammering a ball down the pitch. Marcos Sonesi getting caught underneath it. And, you know, Wilson chests it down, hits it. I think Petrovic was caught by surprise slightly. Then adds a second. And you did start to worry then a little bit for Bournemouth in that I think the defeat against Villa before the international break, the 4-0 defeat, I don't think it was quite as one-sided as the scoreline suggested.

50:15They won a penalty, which Antoine Semenya squandered. Emi Martinez produced some incredible saves. It was actually a fairly even game in terms of the quality of chances, but they ended up losing 4-0. Whereas 2-0 down at home to West Ham, you did start to think, are the wheels really going to come off here? but they managed to turn it around, really got on top in the second half. And Ennis Unal, who's been out since January, did his crucia, I think, popped up with the equaliser. Only 55 seconds after coming on. Lovely ball through. There was a lot on it. To control it was one thing. Sinesi, I think, makes more forward passes than anyone in the league.

50:54He's really good at it. And he fed a nice pass into him. It was a great little touch on the turn and a finish. and goodness me, they were unlucky not to win, Bournemouth. Bournemouth. Yeah. You talk about, yes, they were two and a half time and you would say, oh, they must be pleased to get a point. The second half, 21 shots. West Ham had one. 79 % possession. Touches in the opposition box. I love this stat. 43 to Bournemouth. Two to West Ham. and West Ham made 43 successful passes from half-time onwards. This was an absolute tonking. 43? The whole team in the second half? Yeah. Do you know how many of those 43 successful passes that Callum Wilson made?

51:41None before he scored, is that right? No, none whatsoever. Just none in the game. He's the first player on record to score two or more goals in the first half of a Premier League game but failed to complete a single pass. That's nuts, isn't it? That is nuts. Tremendous. This was a classic case of West Ham sitting on their lead and paying the price. And I'll tell you what, who is second favourite in the Liverpool next boss market outside of Jurgen Klopp? It's Andoni, Iriola. And of course, you know, they need to get better at retrieving deficits, don't they? And obviously Iriola has shown that he's got the minerals to do that.

52:18He's second favourite. Who's on top? Well, I don't know if he's second favourite. I read a piece talking about it and the two big names were Klopp at the top and then Irayola I've heard of him, yeah Him I've heard of Shall you go back? I don't know I suspect not but yeah, just having a look at the odds here Klopp, this feels a little bit premature but I mean, we've started so we'll finish Jürgen Klopp, Oliver Glasner and Doni Irola and then you're into your Emery's, your Nagelsmann's, your Diego Simone's, your Fabian Herzler's, etc. Really? Some surprising names on there. What about Marco Silva, who finally got back to winning waves with Fulham as they defeated Sunderland 1-0.

53:07Another of your Saturdays 3 o 'clocks from Le Multiplex. This was a fairly one-sided affair by the numbers. 24 shots to 4 in favour of the Cottagers. It wasn't until the 84th minute, though, that one of them found the net, Raheem Menez, who finally scored for the home side. The sub was good. Samuel Chiquese. Oh, yeah. Brilliant down the left-hand side. They've got a guy called Kevin, haven't they, who's really exciting. He likes to sort of dribble. But it wasn't his day. So they made a change. I think Chiquese came on and Smith-Rowe came on. And those two basically got them over the line. Chiquese created five chances in 20-odd minutes.

53:49Okay. including the assist, which was one of the best crosses you'll see, you know, most of the season. It's an absolute peach. Even so, I thought Raul Humenez did really well to guide it in with his studs. So, yeah, they needed that, didn't they, Fulham, big time. Well, it gave them a little bit more space between themselves and the bottom three. Chakrasi was on loan from Milan. Fulham-Sunderland was a 1-0 win for them. Oh, on the subject of Fulham, random shout-out. That's the fact that Totally Extra, our kind of reminisce-o package of a podcast. This week, this Saturday, dived into the heady two-and-a-half-year period when Roy Hodgson was running the show there on the banks of the Thames.

54:33Old Father Thames had never seen the like, it's fair to say, but you can relive those magical days with myself and Duncan and a very special guest. Anyway, what else happened this weekend? Brighton-Brenford happened. well Daniel you might want to put that out I might come to you on this Brighton Brentford happened I'm all in on Brighton Brentford are you all in on Brighton Brentford all right yes tell us tell us your truth uh my first hot take is that when an agent will probably know more this about me this is not me passing the buck if a player has scored one penalty in a game and he gets another penalty and it's a really crucial time I kind of feel like I want somebody else to take that penalty because it seems to me in this it gives us the the take of two choices right one they go for exactly the same again which we presume is their favorite place because they went for it first time or they change their mind i think changing their mind makes it feel you know removes them out of their comfort zone so in as in the case of tiago he goes i'm just going to try and do the same again but maybe with a little bit more power or do it you know try and make it more forceful and Bart Bruggen stays there until the kick is taken, completely reads Thiago's mind perfectly and then dies for it.

55:51There was a Forest game earlier in the season where in the Europa League where Morgue Gizwai had scored a penalty and then gave away the second penalty to somebody else because the keeper's seen where he wants to go, that might be overthought but I just don't like it. I feel like you're more likely to miss the second one. No, I totally totally get that. What do you think, Adrian? Well, I think it depends on the person, doesn't it? Igor Thiago has been scoring. I think that was his fourth pen that he scored this season. So he's very, very confident. So I would look at it and say, well, the guy's mega confident.

56:25He's the best man for the job. But I do understand that. I once took three back-to-back ones. In a game? In a cup tie, yeah. Yeah, one, like twice for encroachment, it got pulled back. But I scored them all and I put them all in the same side, which was sort of the ultimate double bluff. Did you take four kicks then? No, three. So I scored one and it was like, no, someone was in the box. And then did the same again and the same happened. Oh, you're kidding. So you had to take the same kick three times? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I double bluffed the goal by going the same way every time. Wow, they were all penankers.

57:02That was the most remarkable thing. The penny did not bet for the keeper. Yeah, go on. It feels like Adrian slipped me a 20 quid just to bring that up, just so he could say he scored three pens in a row. It was in front of, I don't know, about 200 at the sort of intimidating Grey's athletic stadium. But it was good. But yeah, no, I don't know. It's the honest answer. I just think, I don't think that was why he missed it personally. But what I would like to say is that it was a good comeback from Brighton I mean, they have some good goals. The irony was Brighton scored their winner from sort of a long ball against Brentford, the kings of the long ball this season.

57:44And I just thought the half volley from Welbeck was absolutely exquisite. I genuinely think he has a chance for the World Cup. He has to. And it was official this week, I think, that Thomas Tuchel has had that chat with him. He has. Yeah, he's basically said... The pre-chat. He's had the pre-chat. He said, you're on my radar. I didn't pick you for this. But maybe he said, be ready. If Ollie Watkins doesn't have a great season. Which he's not. No. Then you could be the next in line. And I think it would be a good shout. I think everyone would love it. Yeah. I've never seen him play this good, Danny Welbeck.

58:23And that finish was... So is that Fabian Herzler or what is it? I just think... I think if you feel good in your environment. I think he feels great. Most of Danny Welbert's career he's been a sub You've got to remember hasn't he? He's very rarely been first choice anywhere And he's had a lot of injury problems I mean he was renowned for being injury prone at a point in his career and is now getting to a point where he is not picking up injuries all the time And he's not number two He's not number two He's starting pretty much every game and you know he's got a team that is built to make chances for him People should have made him their number one earlier That's the lesson Yeah, that's a lesson.

59:03Brentford with that penalty miss in stoppage time, failing to pick up a point. Brighton get a 2-1 victory. And that pretty much wraps things up for Match Day 12 with the proviso that there is still one game to go, which is on Monday night, Man United against Everton. That'll be an interesting one. We've got a Euro show, as I mentioned before, Tuesday morning looking ahead to the Champions League fixtures and other European stories. And then on Thursday, we'll be back with another totally football show. Oh, no, I tell a lie. On Wednesday, we'll be back because it's Champions League week. We'll be back on Wednesday morning to review what happens in those Tuesday night games.

59:42You'd be a fool to miss it. That, I think, though, is it for this Sunday night show. Daniel, your brow is furrowed. Anything else you'd like to share with us? No, I couldn't work out if we talked about Crystal Palace. But, yeah, we did. Do you know what? We did and we didn't. We went big on Wolves. We went big on Wolves. but we didn't say any, have a word for Palace then if you will. I was just going to say I really liked watching Joe Pino who I didn't really know, I hadn't seen a huge amount at Villarreal before he came here. He looked like one of those players who would need a while to settle.

1:00:17He's not a massive physical presence. It looked like the intensity might be, you know, takes some getting used to it and that's exactly what Glasner said after the game. It's like, you know, his problem is that he works too hard and then because of the intensity of the league He's knackered after 60, 65 minutes, but we're getting in there. But he scored a really nice goal against Liverpool in the EFL Cup not long ago, and he scored a beauty here as well. So it's not easy because he's basically playing in that Eze, where Eze was at Palace, which is coming in off the left and having to drive forward.

1:00:47And he's not the same player, and it's hard to replace him. But he looks a little gem once he gets going. Excellent. Not easy being Eze or filling in for Eze, as you were saying. Indeed. Excellent. Thank you so much for that, Daniel. I look forward to catching up with you again soon. Tom, look forward to your return, whenever that might be on the Totally Football Show. I'm sure it will be at some point in the future. One can only hope so. And Adrian, you'll also be putting out a new What the EFL, I'm guessing. Yeah, there'll be one out on Monday afternoon. What's the big story? Saints, maybe. Is it?

1:01:23Winning 5-1 at Charlton. Who's taken over from? No one. What? The caretaker, Tonda Eckert, who none of us had heard of, is 32. And he's won three on the spin since taking over from Will Steele. So we'll be going over that and discussing, I guess, whether he should get the gig. Personally, I always think, never give it to the caretaker. Right. But he's made a pretty compelling argument. Certainly. Sounds like it. Excellent. Well, you can enjoy that. What the EFL out with Matt Davis-Adams, I'm guessing. It is, yeah. me Matt and Sam Parkin lovely stuff very good well thanks to you all thanks to Jake and Charlie Naboo thanks to you listener stroke viewer we're back various times through the week do try and join us for that for now from all of us here it's goodbye

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