Germany indebted to Undav as Netherlands demolish Sweden

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2:00Orange crush. Netherlands give Sweden a beaten 5-1. While the Dutch almost get a tennis score, Germany have a Dennis score. Superstar Dennis Undav with a brace, which sees them book their place in the knockouts. We'll review all that and salute a room on fire. Eloy Room, the World Cup's latest keeper sensation after he stopped all 15 of Ecuador's shots on target on Saturday. Hello there, welcome to Totally at the World Cup It's Saturday evening in LA Sunday morning in the UK And we're joined once again by Phil Hay Good evening You're looking very spiffy today Phil Thank you very much Thank you, nice to get this shirt a little bit of a run out Full disclosure, I'm going to thieve this at the end of my trip to LA And I think if I say that publicly Then it can't be classed as a criminal offence You know your legislature The bylaws of California what a lovely shirt it is ladies and gentlemen the only time you're going to be seeing it in this World Cup unfortunately terrible material you know awful oh I thought you were talking about my intro Tom Tom Williams is with us again lovely to see you Tom and you James, big admirer of this shirt so good to see it getting a run out despite Italy's unfortunate non-presence they're not here, other nations are and what excitement those other nations have been giving us Once again today, we see a phenomenal performance by an unfancied team, in this case, Curacao, and their incredible goalkeeper.

3:27We've just finished watching. Ecuador rhymes with Barndor, as we mentioned yesterday, and failing to score against this incredible keeper, Tom. I mean, unheralded goalkeepers have been a real theme of the tournament. Vozinha becoming a superstar for his role in keeping Spain at bay against Cape Verde. You had Paddy Beach. Paddy Beach. Alawise as well. Mohamed Alawise for Saudi Arabia. Yeah. And now Eloy Roon of Curaçao. And I did have a look at his Instagram account during the game because, of course, that's been one of not the most important consequences of Vozinha's explosion onto the scene.

4:07But he's now, I mean, has many millions of Instagram followers. Really? 15 million. Oh, Vozinha's gone up to 15. He's gone up to 15. and Eloy Roon was ticking up in front of our eyes. Well, he was sub 100 ,000 when we first looked because we kind of thought, you know what, this is going to spike, isn't it? And at the last look, he was on about 700 ,000, I think. Oh, that's pretty good, isn't it? Going up a bit, sadly for him, it was middle of the night in Europe, so not as many people have piled on the Instagram bandwagon. Okay, if you're on The Gram and you fancy following some people, why not give us a follow?

4:41We are at Totally Football Show, red hot content on there including Tom our daily workup takeouts today's one's got some sausages tomorrow is really extraordinary groundbreaking waffle action check it out anyway uh how about a moment of the day uh Tom I'm gonna go for the first game of the day Netherlands Sweden and the first goal of the day Ronald Koeman decided to put Sunderland's Brian Brobby up front and it took him less than five minutes to open the scoring with what was for me one of the goals of the tournament so far. I think it was a clearance from Bart Verbruggen, the Dutch goalkeeper.

5:23Brobby, in his characteristic role, back to goal with a centre-back pinned up against him, uses the outside of his right foot to volley a lay-off to Tijani Rinders. He plays it wide to Cody Gakpo. First time cross, who's there in the middle to meet it? Brian Brobby, Brobby, Brobby, Brobby. And the Netherlands are up and running. Didn't look back. He got another one as well, didn't he? He did, he did. What a performance it was by the Dutch. It was a team goal as well. We've had loads of great goals at this tournament. It's almost like with this ball, this Adidas ball, if you hit it from anywhere, it's going to go in, unless you're playing Eloy Room, in which case, you know, abandon all hope.

5:57But that's probably the first really quality team goal we've had, or one of the few in comparison to just spectacular hits. It's been nice little moves and so on, but that was proper creative. All right. Did you go for a spectacular goal for your moment of the day, Phil? No, I went for poor old Simon Adinger for the Ivory Coast, who had that amazing chance at the end of the game. And it was set up so nicely for him. He thought that was the game there and then. And it was totally weird because it was there to be struck. Tom was saying that for Monaco, you see him do that, come inside, place into the far corner.

6:28He had all the King's horses coming at him, so there was no point in cutting back into the crowd. But he did that. And I think if it had finished 1-0, Ivory Coast would have forgiven him. but it didn't it didn't forgive himself did he yes the win and that was his reaction yeah so it should have been yeah bad news started the season playing alongside Brian Brobby at Sunderland or rather not really playing alongside him because he was on the bench all the time and that's how he ended up at Monaco but a little bit of connection between our moments of the day interesting do you know what my moment of the day was please among many I think Ilanga doing that crazy goal line back heel nutmeg we were watching on Fox Sports much to your dismay James and the commentators got very excited and apparently the commentators on Telemundo got more excited about that moment than any of the six goals in the game and it was I mean one of the best nutmegs probably the best nutmeg we've seen at the World Cup so far I need to check it out somebody was saying on Twitter towards the end of the Ecuador game there was a lovely little Cruyff Turn style thingy that skinned one of the Ecuador players I didn't get a chance to have a proper look before I came on, but it's apparently worth digging out if you can find it.

7:40But that is good. Well, this Cruyff turn that you refer to is actually going to be the subject of some discussion a little bit later on. Fans of iconoclasm, if that's the word, might like to stick with us. But first, we've got lots of stuff to get through, including the results from Saturday. As mentioned, late, late, Dennis Undav strike, second of a pair, saw Germany 2-1 winners against the Ivory Coast. That was in Group E. Ecuador and Curaçao goalless there thanks to the antics of Curaçao keeper drawing room and in F top of that list there Netherlands and Sweden 5-1 what a thumping there Sweden of course who had won their opening game 5-1 but now find their goal difference very much back down to 0 we'll cover the other game in the group group F by the way Japan Tunisia tomorrow in tomorrow's show because that actually kicks off at 5 a.m uk time so a bit late for us to discuss and get the show out at a time that you might be finding convenient similarly of course yesterday there was a game after we did our show and that was a shame because it turned out to be a really really big one it was paraguay against turkey which paraguay won 1-0 which meant two very sizable things one that usa won their group with a game to spare, which is brilliant for them.

9:00It also meant that Turkey, because you were saying won their match earlier on, of course, against Australia, but it also meant that Turkey, beaten by Paraguay, are already out of the tournament. Now, let's recall, this was a tournament that it was meant to be almost impossible not to get out of the group, not to qualify for the knockout stages. Turkey managed to get knocked out with a game to spare and playing against a Paraguay team that only had 10 men for the second half. Yeah it's a shame that Barndor doesn't rhyme with Turkey A wittier man than me said Drink a shot every time Turkey run out of ideas And shoot from long distance And the stat was 62 shots over two games at the World Cup An XG of 3.5 Which shows you how bad the efforts on goal were And zero goals at all A total abomination of a performance Montella's going to get sacked isn't he I mean that goes without saying It looks like there's going to be hell to pay back there and they were so bad and it was strange that Miguel Almiron getting sent off for the first person who's fallen foul of the FIFA rule that you can't cover your mouth when you're in a confrontation with a player because of what you might be saying which seems like a very reasonable rule sensible rule to me it wasn't as if it wasn't telegraphed you know a bit of an idiotic thing to do but it was only kind of the second most humiliating thing of the night because Turkey managed to outdo them Incredible USA though Tom winning their group which means they're going to be playing their round of 32 match in San Francisco, probably, as it stands, the likely opponents are Bosnia-Herzegovina.

10:31Their possibilities, because this has become a real talking point post the victory over Australia, their possibilities of winning the whole thing, currently rated by Optus Supercomputer at... Well, if you ask the Americans, I think they'll say around about 87.8%. Well, a lot of people are getting quite swept up in the moment, which is exactly what tournaments like this are for. However... Opta, in their cold machine-like mind, say 2.84%, which a lot of people would be surprised by how high that is. It is, for example, above Belgium, Switzerland and Mexico's chances in Opta's eyes, but behind Norway, the Netherlands and Colombia.

11:13I mean, I would ask a slightly metaphysical question, what is winning the World Cup? Possibly for America, it doesn't involve them lifting the trophies. the end you know there are other ways to win a world cup but hey yeah I mean I think if they were to get the get to the quarterfinals you'd have to say that would be a successful tournament you know given the fact that they haven't you know really made an impact on on a world cup in that way today so certainly for a long time these are 2002 that they last went that far so it's about time that they did you know kind of do something and also just for the wider tournament it's always good when the host nations do well right we have three host nations at this tournament and you know they're all doing pretty well so it has a positive knock-on effect for the rest of the event as well Mexico are qualified already Canada all but through the athletic did the big piece about can America win the sorry the World Cup Phil you were in that what did you say yes no I am I got in there with a couple of other writers to say no um from the off I think I was explained this on the last show that they do have like some quality players who play at a decent level in Europe so having spoken to our American writers they seem to all agree that last 16 would be kind of par quarterfinals would be good but not blown away further than that would be exceptional tournament would them winning the World Cup be more or less improbable than say Greece winning there are winning Portugal's Euros back in 2004.

12:42More improbable, I think. Yeah, they've got much more watchable players, USMNT and, oh sorry, I shouldn't use that for it, the United States. And I would have to go back through Greece's squad now to see how it all matches up. But the Euros versus the World Cup, World Cup is, I would say, harder to win. And considering some of the teams in this, if they, I think 2.87, was it? That seems about, that is about right, I think. Okay. We'll see if that number escalates like Vosinha's followers on the gram. But those are questions for later on. Right now, let's get into Germany, who, of course, also have booked their place in the round of 32.

13:23How do they do it? We'll be on to that next. Saturday lunchtime, Germany 2, Ivory Coast just the one, Germany joining Mexico and USA in the last 32. It's the first time Germany have made it out of the group at a World Cup since 2014. Are they going to do a Germany? That's a big question. First off, bears mentioning that with 93 minutes played of this game against the Elephants, didn't look like they were going to be qualifying for anything today. It didn't. And I think had it finished level, you would have said that it was probably a fair result. I mean, Germany had most of the possession, most of the chances, but Ivory Coast threatened continually.

14:04And after Germany's first game, when they walloped Kurosawa, we pointed out on the pod, Duncan chiefly, that they did look a little bit vulnerable defensively. We saw that again today. Phil's already mentioned the big Simon Odinger chance that occurred at 1-1. And there were other chances of a similar quality. So they didn't look massively convincing, but that ability to get over the line and find a winner in improbable circumstances counts for an awful lot in big tournaments. And when you've got a guy like Denis Undav, who manages to be so decisive coming off the bench, that can be a real game changer.

14:43Let's talk about that winning goal in the 94th minute. Beauty. Yeah. Yeah. Lovely pass out in midfield, but actually, if you watch it again, quite difficult to take. So the finish is really good, but the touch in the box is beautiful as well. And how did you describe Undav earlier? Like 90s coded, did you say? Did you see him? And he is great. I can take my cue from Phil's shirt, but there's something of the Toto Scalacci about the Denis Undov story. For younger listeners slash viewers, Toto Scalacci came into the 1990 World Cup as a backup striker for the hosts, came off the bench to score the winner against Austria, I think it was, in the opening game, ends up finishing as the top scorer at the tournament and becomes a national celebrity.

15:28Undav has already equaled a record held by another Italia 90 icon Roger Miller for goal involvements by a substitute at a World Cup he had five over the course of the 1990 tournament for Cameroon, Roger Miller Undav has equaled that already after only two matches 56 minutes of action he's had three goals and two assists coming off the bench in both of Germany's games that devastating effect you might recall him if you're a Brighton fan for a somewhat underwhelming campaign there at the Amex. However, since leaving the south of England, he's been on fire for Stuttgart. He's had, ooh, let's see, 57 goals and 31 assists in all competitions for Stuttgart at a rate of 0.94 goal contributions.

16:14Boring term, I know, but still, per game. Last season, only one man scored more than him in the Bundesliga, Harry Kane. Admittedly, it was a huge amount more. Kane got 36 under I've got 19 but still his impact on this tournament is huge yeah it has been and he's running it almost a goal a game for Germany and it was interesting in the build up to the tournament there was a lot of chat about whether he was going to go you know he'd scored loads of goals in the Bundesliga so it kind of seemed like an obvious pick but there was a while where it wasn't certain that he was going to get into the or make the final cut I think Nagelsmann needed that I don't get the impression he's got massive amounts of credit in the bank in Germany and they were struggling a bit in the first half, finding it hard to get it going.

16:59But by the end of the game, I kind of felt like, even allowing for the late Ivory Coast chance, I thought they'd just about done enough to win that. Okay. I don't think we've said enough about the pass. Difficult as it was for Undeve to control that Amentcher provided for him. Took out, what was it, split three lines? Yeah, there'd been a few passes like that. Saibaris for Monaco was kind of similar. But yeah, it was a cracker, but it was really powerfully hit. So it wasn't a kind of gimme to take and finish. The touch was lovely. Magnificent stuff. All right, so they beat the Ivory Coast 2-1.

17:31Tom expresses doubts about their abilities to do one of those German runs, warming their way up into the tournament. And then what about you, Phil? Oh, I'm the same, really. Yeah, I was comparing the squad to, or certainly the strongest team, to the team they had in 2014 when they last won it. And there's quite a big disparity there. So again, they're into the knockouts and you'll see them in the fairly latter stages, I think. But if you're looking through the Optus stats of who's going to win this, I don't think they'll score that highly. I did. What are they on? 4%. Yeah. Who's top of the tree?

18:06Oh, I didn't get that far. Tomorrow night. No spoilers. There you go. They also had two goals disallowed, so it wasn't like they were sitting on their heels all day. But as for the Ivory Coast, a defeat, but not a catastrophic one for their chances. The fact they won their opening game against Ecuador, thanks to that last-minute goal by Amadiello, puts them in a very strong position. And, of course, they will finish against Curaçao. You would expect that they will win that. Would you? Although Eloy Ruhm and his pals might have something to say about that. Drawing room, as we now call him. Drawing room, yeah.

18:400-0 for Curaçao against Ecuador in Kansas City this Saturday evening. in the US. That saw Curaçao picking up their first point. Eloy Roome, 15 shots on target, he saved, Phil. It's a World Cup record. It's a World Cup record for 90 minutes. It was bettered by Tim Howard. 2014, I think I'm right in saying, against Belgium. But that was a game that involved extra time. So for 90 minutes... Eloy Roome is the man, yeah. It's incredible. Where does he come from? He plays his club football in the second division in America. Yeah, Miami FC. So quite honestly, I wouldn't have recognised him in the street before this tournament, but I will now, especially because I'm stalking him on Twitter, on Instagram like everybody else.

19:28Brilliant. All right, well, apart from the fact that he made loads of saves, does that speak to Ecuador being incredibly dominant in this match? I mean, they were. You look at the stats, Ecuador had 28 shots, 15 on target, expected goals of 3.06 which shows that they for all their shots on target they weren't necessarily creating extraordinary high quality of chances but 99 times out of 100 a team that has that level of dominance wins the game and as fantastic a performance as Eloy Roon produced most of the saves were fairly routine the best save was the first one in the third minute Ena Valencia gets sent clean through, only has the keeper to beat and does what you would expect most centre-fours to do, gets a decent contact on the shot, tries to steer it inside the right-hand post and Rue makes this brilliant reflex save, diving to his left and pushes it up, I think, onto the top of the crossbar.

20:28There was another header midway through the second half from Valencia again, powerful downward header from a corner that Rue turned behind. But a lot of the other saves were fairly straightforward. So as much as Ecuador dominated, they weren't necessarily carving out really clear-cut chances. Are you calling him a stat padder? Not calling him a stat padder. The fault here is very much Ecuador's. You can only save the shots in front of you. There was absolutely as well one point in the second half where Ecuador were all over the place. There were three chances for Curacao in the space of about seven seconds.

21:00And they got away with it there at Ecuador. So they totally had enough of the game to win. But Curacao did have little moments. It could have been an upset for the ages, that. Wow. Well, they got their first point in the World Cup, which is pretty good. Ecuador did hit the woodwork three times? Yes. Well, the first Eloy room save from Valencia, he tipped the ball onto the bar. And then there was a mishit cross late on from Angelo Preciado that hit the top of the bar. And I guess another one. But yeah, Ecuador. But anyway, well done, Cura Sala. Absolutely. Ecuador, Ecuador snore. No goals at the World Cup so far.

21:36And we vaunted their defensive solidity pre-tournament. We've seen plenty of evidence of that. They've got a fantastic array of defenders, but they are very reliant on a 36-year-old and quite creaky Ana Valencia at the other end of the pitch. And so far, it's not working for them. There were those, possibly people who said that Turkey would do well at this competition, who also tipped Ecuador on the back of that defensive solidity. But instead, they are not out yet, but it's looking pretty precarious. they've only lost two of their manager Sebastian Becacchi's 22 games in charge but they've failed to score in 45 % of them as we observed earlier unlike his hairdresser they don't produce many highlights anyway we'll see if they do better in their final group game which will see them up against Germany Germany I think I think that would be a good group and so far it's proving us right alright that's coming up next Thursday Ecuador Germany in New Jersey Kurosawa against Ivory Coast in Philadelphia.

22:38Next up for us, let's hear about what happened between Netherlands and Sweden. Netherlands took on Sweden in the early game on Saturday. It was a very even affair. Yes, Netherlands got five goals, but Anthony Ilanga did that amazing back-heel nutmeg. So it's basically a draw. Yeah, it's the equivalent of a point. Stylistically, yeah. I mean, there are lots to take from this. One, I think a lot of people are going, OK, Tunisia, we understand why you fired your manager after getting beaten by this Sweden 5-1. Two, Netherlands look like they mean business, but exactly how much business do they mean, Phil?

23:13Well, I'm very pleased that I chose to die on the hill of Sweden are still rubbish despite a few half-decent results under Graham Potter. Netherlands, I may have said this previously, but I feel like the Netherlands, and I thought it was when they played Japan, that both kind of smell of last 16 to me, maybe his quarterfinals at a push. And I still think that's probably the case with Netherlands. Got some good players in there, some really good players, but I don't think they're last for final material. Is there a case that Ronald Koeman has now worked out this team? Everything he did for this game against Sweden seemed to work out.

23:51Somerville got dropped from the starting line-up. He put on Brian Brobby, who responded with a brace pretty much immediately. He then brought on Somerville in the second half after an early drinks break had seen Sweden do a bit of a tactical rejig and regain a bit of control in the game. And then half-time, the controversial half-time rehydration break, then saw Ronald Koeman re-establish dominance by putting Somerville on and taking off Donjon Marlon. And then Somerville gets a goal and Cody Gakpo gets a brace. Basically, everything came together for the Dutch. Yeah, it was a game in which every kind of big managerial change worked out, albeit in some cases only very briefly.

24:36Broby coming in, he scores twice, Somerville coming on, goal, assist and a pre-assist. And even the little tactical tweak that Graham Potter made that you mentioned allowed Sweden to briefly gain a foothold in the game towards the end of the first half. I think ultimately Sweden's great failing was that they were unable to shut the Netherlands down in wide positions. The first three goals were all very similar, low crosses into the box from wide. The fourth goal also came from Cody Gatpo, picking the ball up out on the left, cutting inside and having a shot. And they just didn't seem to be able to cope with the fact that, you know, the Dutch wing has stayed quite wide, but you also had the full-backs contributing, particularly Denzel Dumfries on the right-hand side.

25:19And Sweden just never got to grips with it. Scored a very nice goal through Anthony Alanga. Curiously, Sweden had more shots and more shots on target than the Netherlands. More touches in the opposition box. So you could argue that there was perhaps something slightly freakish to the result. But you looked at the quality of the chances that the Netherlands created, particularly those first three goals. They completely cut Sweden apart. And yeah, at the final whistle, you didn't really feel like 5-1 flattered the Netherlands at all. You felt pretty impressed, I think. when we were talking to our Dutch journalist friend ahead of Netherlands first game he was saying that there were kind of two question marks really over this orange side one was Ronald Koeman whether he had the tactical news to take this team deep in the tournament today certainly seemed to suggest that he does and the other one was he said this Netherlands team is great at the back the midfield is fantastic we're missing a big focal player up front in Brian Brobby is that exactly the kind of physical demanding, challenging centre-forward that most nations would love to have.

26:25It definitely helps. And there was a really good piece by Michael Cox on The Athletic which was saying, and I think he's right, it was the most tactically interesting game of the tournament so far, that's because of the number of tweaks and because of the fact that they did seem to make a difference. And I think what was said about the Netherlands is probably the complete opposite to what the expert opinion that we got in Sweden, which is that up front there is Gukres, there's Isak, there's options, but at the back it's kind of coaching horses stuff where you can ride right through it and that was pretty much what we saw today.

26:57All right. The top of the group for now are the Netherlands with Tunisia to come. Crescentio Somerville you were saying is in transfer news on Man United's radar. So this is David Ornstein's story from The Athletic. This was the start of the week. He was saying that Manchester United are looking at him. Currently at West Ham, was at Leeds United, would go for about£50 million. Rumours are that Tottenham are quite keen as well Or so it's been said So he looks like he's on for a transfer this summer It's not going to hurt that his World Cup is going extremely well Weirdly, I mean he's only just into the Netherlands team Koeman's evidently decided this guy's good And he'll do for me But I would say it's probably fairly nailed on That Somerville is not sticking around at West Ham, is he?

27:43Okay, meantime, a player who has moved is former Brighton defender, there he is there, Jambal van Hecke, who has joined Tottenham Hotspur since that opener since Japan. Tom, I know you're curious, a lot of people are, as to how he got the black eye. Well, those of us who watch him regularly in the Premier League know that he is no stranger to a scuffle. Right. And Dutch camps at major tournaments can often be quite combustible affairs. I mean. So, you know, we're joining the dots. Supposedly it happened in the opening game against Japan but we just don't know anyway Japan are going to be taking on Tunisia later on tonight we'll cover that in tomorrow's show but a big stat about that game Japan against Tunisia it is the 1000th World Cup game not in this tournament but ever yes good stat special jerseys for the ref is that right assistant or something yeah I was reading today special branded pickle juice for the ref just in case of a charley horse yeah it will be will be on the sideline, but it should be special.

28:45Not in case of a charley horse, as you discovered on last night. We'll get onto that very, very shortly. All sorts of discoveries we've made in the last 24 hours. We'll get onto some of those, courtesy of our lovely listeners and viewers. Next. Yesterday, as you may have seen on Totally at the World Cup, Phil here was wondering about Penenka's penalty, which it was the 50th anniversary of, and whether actually entered in was the first person to ever do that kind of spot kick. Phil? I would go further than that and say that I am absolutely convinced that somebody must have done it before Penenka.

29:17And as I was saying, you might be in your, it'd probably be 80, 90 now, but emailing anyway. Okay, if it was you. Yeah, because there was no social media back then. Absolutely, yeah. So as I was saying, some poor person in Eastern Europe somewhere has been sitting for years and years saying, actually, that's mine. Penenka is a fraud. Okay. Well, it's curious because then, today, I was sat there watching Netherlands against Sweden. sorry that just dawned on me what you said um anyway today i was watching netherlands against sweden and that's a meeting that the world cup has only ever happened once before and it was in the group stage of 1974 and it featured another iconic and indeed player names a move moment johann croif's croif turn only for tom to then say do you know croif wasn't the first person to do that um it feels like a very iconoclastic thing to want to talk about but you got proof yeah well just briefly on the croif turn it was on jan olsen the swedish right back and phil wrote a lovely piece about him for the athletics the circle 100 which is sitting on the table right there i went to advirtisberg in sweden to try and find jan olsen who sadly was too ill to speak he's still alive but his son met up with me and was telling me that the stories about it um and was telling me that he didn't get Cruyff's shirt on the day, the famous 14 shirt, but he did get a Barcelona shirt from Cruyff because Adwittesbergs played Barcelona in the European Cup and his son Michael, or Michael I think it is, used to wear that in the street playing football and I was saying to him it's probably worth quite a lot of money that.

30:57Indeed, anyway that iconic moment Tom wasn't actually the first time that the Cruyff turn had been executed. Yeah so there is footage of a game between Wolverhampton Wanderers and Barcelona from the quarterfinals of the 1959-60 European Cup. And Barcelona had a Paraguay-born attacking player called Elogio Martinez. And I've shown Phil the footage before. There's a British Pathé newsreel clip of the game. Can you do the voice? And today at Molyneux, we saw a tremendous game of football between Wolverhampton Wanderers and Barcelona. and there's a piece in the footage where Martinez, who's the guy on the ball here, he's running down the left flank and this defender is blocking his path and at one point he executes a textbook Cruyff turn and this is 14 years before Cruyff invented it.

31:5014 years. So should we really be calling it a Martinez turn? I mean, in Cruyff's defence, I don't think Cruyff necessarily claimed to have invented it. It certainly helped his legacy that he was credited with inventing it. But, I mean, the proof is pretty clear to see. And, again, as Phil says with the Penenka, there are only so many things you can do on a football pitch. It's hard to imagine that no one had ever tried a Penenka before. It was hard to imagine that no one had ever, you know, come up with a croix of turn before. And there is proof out there. To give Penenka his due as well. I don't imagine he was claiming the penalty or wanting it to be called the Penenka.

32:28It just became the Penenka. But as I say, I suspect somebody out there may have had a goal first. Crikey. Moving on, Jeff, a.k.a. Furious of Twickenham, yesterday on the show, was asking why TV cameras switched to the manager celebrating the second the final whistle is blown. He cited the Ghana victory, in which the full-time whistle blew and Carlos Curos was followed for 43 seconds by his timings. Has he made his way across the pitch? Although Carlos Curos did sprint across the pitch, and do a bunch of, you know... Did he? ...air punches in front of the Ghana fans. But I think it's a valid observation.

33:08Yeah, Jeff says, can you dedicate some time to helping me understand why this happens? Today... It's not a new thing, though, is it? Somebody made this point, and I think they're right. For years and years, at the final whistle, you see the handshake, don't you? Well, this is what Jeff's saying. Why? He says players have spent 90 minutes doing their best to win a game while a bloke in a suit has stood observing it all why is he the one that we get to see at the end why don't you see so today for example germany against ivory coast all sorts of drama in there undav with that dramatic 94th minute sorry about the helicopter 94th minute winner and who's the camera go to nagelsman and it stays with nagelsman which for 24 seconds which given that it's nagel is a long 24 seconds why does it happen I don't know my guess my guess was that after 94 sorry 94 minutes of cutting around all over the place the director likes to go to a safe shot at the end of the game so you know where the manager is going to be players not so much go to the manager there'll be the handshake maybe there won't be a handshake and then that's the story Tom you've got a different opinion well I mean no not necessarily a different opinion there are other things I've noticed and when you watch almost every single match at this tournament on TV there are certain things you notice and it feels like there are things that David Beck for example because you just cannot avoid him but there are certain things that are consistent across all the games one of them is final whistle and you just see the managers but you see that in Premier League as well it's just true but it feels like it's systematic here another thing is when a goal is scored the first shot after the goal has gone in you might see the players head off celebrating but then you immediately see some supporters cheering the replays are quite tardy often you don't get that many of them or you might only get one angle and I feel like there is an I mean this is only on the American coverage so this might not be all that relevant for people watching back at home but there's very often a pause in the commentator speaking once a goal has gone in Darren Fletcher for example now and I don't think he did this before but he now always stops after the goal has been scored until the replay starts which I think is textbook commentary commentary 101 and i'm really glad it's happening if that's fifa or if that's the channel that we're watching say let it breathe let the moment breathe for itself instead of because typically when you're watching in england i mean premier league or whatever that's the moment that they get the line out and whatever clippable moment that they want to get out but it's one feed isn't it for everybody so it's not as if the bbc or itv or fox or telemundo get the chance to do what they want to do.

35:48They get thrown this feed by FIFA's broadcaster and they kind of have to use it, which makes me wonder whether, which probably explains why Infantino shows up in every single game that he goes to. There's always that little cut to him. Is it the same Infantino? Or are there a fleet of them? Good question because he's getting about, isn't he? And there's a lot of distance to cover in short times. We'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he doesn't have a body double. Have you been contacted about maybe making an appearance? I think I could do that, actually. Yeah, I think with a bit of makeup and everything else, I could fill in.

36:15I don't know that you could, though. It's a very specific cranium that he that he boasts. Anyway, well, I don't know, but I'm glad that it's happened. As for the business of following the managers, I never noticed it before Angry Jeff got in touch, but thank you for doing so. I'm now going to share your pain henceforth. Other messages that we've received, here's longtime Norwegian listener, Halvard Nasser-Linstad, who says, if the name the skunk competition is still running, I have some suggestions, one of which I think is very choice, Callum Hudson-Odoor. Yeah. love that okay uh derek blakemore and i think you mentioned charley horses before it was uh thomas yeah we were confused about the supposed american terminology for a muscle cramp charley horse no says derek blakemore and a bunch of other people that's when you get hit on the outside of the thigh say with a knee in a way that causes a muscle spasm not just a typical cramp A dead leg.

37:12A dead leg. And as we were discussing a couple of weeks ago, James, the German name for dead leg is a horse kiss. So in both the USA and Germany, if you get a dead leg, you think of a horse. There you go. One other message just before we get on to Sunday's action. Now, along with the many other grudges with football, something that's been a real gripe for people is pundits using the term USMNT. I'm sorry. It doesn't bother me. But a lot of people feel that since MNT could refer to any nation, it's a bit of an affectation, us using it with the US. Why don't we say England, MNT, etc.? James Bauer wrote in on Saturday afternoon and said, it's really simple.

37:59The women's team in the US is far more successful than our men's team. So when in conversations about the national soccer team, it became important to designate whether we're talking about the men's team or the women's team. Hence USWNT and USMNT, and thus we've called it USMNT forever. This isn't some new invention, says James, that you all have discovered and are criticizing. I think it's the most annoying, arrogant, linguistic, poor-clutching, I think he means criticizing, that I've seen in quite some time. So there you go. There is a reason why Americans have developed the habit of calling it the USMNT, and because it's what they call it, a lot of us have picked it up too.

38:37I must admit I'm trying to cut it down because it bothers a lot of people. I don't want to bother people. I call them Stars and Stripes or Team USA or what have you. Get on with your lives, really. The thing is, the US women's team here is so wildly successful and was a long time before international women's teams were successful elsewhere in the world and before they had really high profile. So that message is absolutely right. There did need to be some distinguishing feature between them. It doesn't keep me awake at night, I must say. But by that logic, maybe England fans should start referring to the England team as the EMNT, because there again, the women's team are much more successful than the men.

39:16Couldn't help yourself, could you? That's just a statement of fact. We'll move on. Day four awaits... Sorry, not... Day 11. Day 11 awaits... I am losing track, I must say. Yeah, but that's... I think on various points today, I thought it was either Sunday or Friday. That's a week out. Anyway, day 11, we'll call it. Groups G and H. We'll get on to those next. next. Groups G and H, which is exciting, you may recall them playing last Monday, these eight teams, and they produced a record equalling four draws at the World Cup. What's going to happen this time around? Well, of course, in Group H, which sees Spain take on Saudi Arabia and Uruguay against Cape Verde, everything's tied.

39:55Spain looking for their first win of the competition, of course, and Uruguay taking on Cape Verde later on in Miami. And in Group G as well. It's all square ahead of Belgium's clash with Iran and New Zealand against Egypt, which is taking place in Vancouver. Let's talk now about New Zealand. Oceania's 11, if you will, in a tournament of surprises. Could they be the latest unfancied team to challenge for a knockout place? Well, earlier on today, we were joined by Michael Burgess of the New Zealand Herald, and he talked to us about how it's been so far. Michael, thank you so much for joining us.

40:35How has the World Cup been for you so far? Well, it's been fantastic. I mean, for two reasons. Number one, we've got to be on the West Coast. We're in San Diego as the base camp, which is a brilliant place to be. But the main reason, James, is the performance of the New Zealand team. I mean, I've been covering this team for a long time, almost 20 years, and you're always a bit nervous how to perform on a big occasion, a big stage, especially since we haven't been in a World Cup for 16 years. So the fact that they delivered such a great display against Iran was fantastic and it's got the nation so excited.

41:09Seriously, the match was played at 1pm New Zealand time on a Monday. So the whole country is watching compared to, say, previous World Cups in South Africa and Spain. The other team we've been at were pretty bad time zones. So, yeah, it's been brilliant so far. Would you say that this team is better than the 2010 one, which famously went through the tournament unbeaten? Yeah, I mean, that's a good question. It's one everyone's been debating. Definitely it's better skill-wise. And, you know, we've got so many more players playing in Europe now. That 2010, as you mentioned, we had six players in that squad in Europe.

41:47And some of them, with due respect, were pretty small clubs. Now we've got players, you know, we've got Chris Wood in the Premier League, course, but we've got a couple of players in the championship. We've got a player who's been in Serie A. We've got a player in France. We've got players at what you call biggish European leagues, biggish European clubs. So yeah, it's a much different generation. But the 2010 bunch were an amazingly resilient team. A lot of senior hardened pros, great spirit, great defensively obviously. So that's the remaining question for this team. Can they get to that level in terms of what they have to do defensively?

42:24because they're a bit open against Iran. So that'll be the next step. But definitely, overall, it's a much better team. You can see by the way they play. Michael, one of the most talked about players of the opening set of games is New Zealand's potential superstar in the making, Elijah Just. Yeah, I mean, he's been amazing. And, you know, he's been bubbling around for a long time until this incredible breakthrough this year in Motherwell. And he's always been a guy that you thought was so talented technically from a very young age, just one of those guys that had a real appreciation of the ball at his feet, very clever player.

43:05But the question was, could he handle himself physically and could he find the right kind of team that suits him? And that's what happened at Motherwell. I mean, he went to Scottish football and you're thinking, how is he going to fit in in Scotland? What is he, 1.74 metres? You know, he's not tall, he's not big. But Motherwell was a perfect fit the way they play. And I've never seen him so confident. And now, I guess the challenge from now, though, James, is there'll be a lot more focus on him. I don't know if Iran will particularly focus on him. You know that Egypt will be. So that's probably the next step, isn't it, that they're going to try and stop him in a big way.

43:46They have Salah and Mahmouche, but you've got Justin and Wood. What a combination they were against Iran. Yeah, Elijah Wood, as someone was saying. They were great. And I'm so happy for Chris Wood because I still remember, I mean, I followed his career for a long time. I remember him being particularly devastated after we lost the playoff with Peru in 2017 trying to get to World Cup. But even more, the game against Costa Rica in 2022, just walking through that tunnel, shoulder slump. They should have won that match. So he's finally back at a World Cup after 16 years. and he just seems hyper-focused.

44:23He seems so focused on this because he's been waiting such a long time. I think the fact that he had such an unexpected break during his Premier League season might have been a bit of a silver lining. He's quite fresh. Michael, everything's level in this group, which raises the prospect that New Zealand to get their first ever World Cup win against Egypt than the Kiwis, a team ranked 83rd currently in the world, a nation with only two professional soccer clubs, could make it through to the knockout stages. Are you daring to hope about this? There is, I'll tell you what, there is a lot of hope now in New Zealand.

45:03A lot of people are saying to me, oh, you know, we can actually, we can beat Egypt. And I'm like, can we really? Can we beat Egypt? I mean, with the players they've got, with the pituit they've got, I still think it'll be tough. It will be tough. Egypt will be ready for us. And if Egypt score first, then it gets really tricky because they've got their tails up and they'll go for it. But the Swarovic group is in a good place. You know, the big test was last week how they'd handle the occasion. They handled it well. So, yeah, I mean, we're daring to dream. I feel like a more likely result might be a draw could be something we're really hopeful rather than actually beating Egypt.

45:38But it's not impossible. They'll have to defend a lot better. and as you say, a nation with only two professional clubs and one of them only started two seasons ago. So until then we had one professional club, just Wellington playing in the Australian League and I think we've got maybe 50, you'd say, 50 to 60 professional players at the most. So yeah, things are, I mean, it's a great time to be covering New Zealand football. All right, Michael, thank you so much for joining us and the best of luck against Egypt. Thank you very much. We're certainly going to need it. Michael Burgess of the New Zealand Herald.

46:12Lovely to hear from him and to hear a little bit about the Kiwis, who could well be one of the stories. Or not, early days. They've only had one game, that two to draw, against Iran. And they are taking on an Egypt side that's got a little bit of firepower of its own. Hey, what do you think? They've also, Egypt, never won a game at the World Cup, having drawn their opener against Belgium. Hmm. I quite quietly fancy New Zealand in this one, which is a bit of a rash prediction. But I like the look of them against Iran. We've got good players. I think Chris Wood makes a massive difference to them up front.

46:48He played really well in that game. And just as terrific, I spoke about him at Motherwell and said, I think he will get a really decent transfer on the back of this World Cup and probably for quite a lot of money as well. And I don't think Egypt are all that, from what I've seen. No. What do you think, Tom? Elijah Wood, as Michael was describing them, or Salah and Marmouche, or Salah Mouche, will you do the Fandango, I guess? There you go. Yeah. Which would you have? It's a nice clash of strike forces, you know, the two Egyptian superstars, if you can put Marmouche in the superstar bracket, against the slightly more earthy qualities of Wood and Just.

47:29But, you know, we were saying at the top of the show that there haven't been that many memorable team goals at this tournament so far. But both of the goals that New Zealand scored against Iran were really well-constructed goals that depended on that partnership and that understanding between Wood and Just. All the pressure was on Egypt. The longer this run of World Cup games without a win goes on, the greater that pressure will become. We know that Mo Salah is bowing out. New Zealand showed how dangerous they could be in that game against Iran. So, yeah, I think they'll be well up for this. Brilliant.

48:03All right, looking forward to that. As I am, Belgian-Iran, which is a kind of midday game here in Los Angeles. And it just so happens this is going to be a bit of a totally day out because almost all of us, slight exception for producers Jesse and Lucy, but almost all of us are going to be going along to this game. You're going to be there. Can't wait. Tom, you're going to be there. I'm going to be there. Duncan, producer Charlie. Can't wait to see the stadium. And quite a difficult game to call as well, I think. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Yeah, Belgium probably win. So what are we expecting? I've written maybe not goals from Belgium.

48:38It turns out they're another team who cannot score a goal. Going back to Qatar 2022, they have had 46 shots without scoring a single goal because the one goal that they did get, the equaliser against Egypt, was an own goal. Turkey-esque. Or Ecuadorian. They went out in the group phase in Qatar in 2022, won their first game 1-0, failed to score another goal beyond that. Who can tell me who scored Belgium's last goal at a World Cup? James? Phil can. I'm not going to answer this because I heard the answer earlier. Ah, there we go. Very diplomatic of you. I heard producer Charlie saying this out there.

49:13Of course producer Charlie. It was, of course, Michibachuaï. Ah, Michibachuaï. And they've since gone three matches without any of their players scoring a goal. And then France reached the semi-finals at Euro 2024, thanks to own goals and a penalty. It can be done. It can be done. The first game, Belgium's game against Egypt, they looked a lot better when Romelu Lukaku came on and indeed provoked that own goal. And you imagine that they might start with him instead of De Ketelari in a force nine. That would be the temptation, but it's so hard to know where he is fitness. He didn't start a single game for Napoli last season.

49:52As much as I think everyone would like to see him in the starting 11, I'm not sure that we can necessarily expect that. And on top of that, there's the added complication of Jeremy Docku's absence. Yeah, he won't be in the starting 11 because he's got a respiratory problem that has resurfaced. So he won't be there for that. Shame for Belgium. On to Group H briefly. This sees Spain taking on Saudi Arabia and Uruguay against Cape Verde. Spain, who in their opening game were, of course, frustrated by Cape Verde's Vozinha. we mentioned how his Instagram following has absolutely skyrocketed could Spain be frustrated by another choice keeper because while Vosinia I think made seven saves against Spain in the opening game the keeper that they're about to face Mohamed Al-Alweiss made nine saves against Uruguay, these numbers seemed impressive when I wrote them down but that was before that incredible performance from Eli Rune it sounds like your mouth's going to play doesn't it for Spain there was a bit of chat about oh he can he could probably give us 55 minutes an hour which is enough really for him to start and I think they they'll need him after that game but they'll get going definitely in the same way in the same way that I think Uruguay will beat Cape Verde okay I was going to ask will Ollazabel get a touch in the first half half I was hoping yeah otherwise he might as well go home really so Spain to get the win against Saudi Arabia and Uruguay against Cape Verde yeah once they got going Uruguay against Saudi Arabia they look good and they are good when they play well 22 shots sorry Phil 22 shots ahead in the second half of that game and yet they still didn't win yeah Bielsa Ball alright very good oh Vazinha's mother will be at that game it's going to be there yeah so somebody there she is one of those people is Vazinha's mother and she's going to be at the game I think it's already in the pink if I'm not mistaken ok that's good see where he got his height from that makes sense excellent so well done to everyone who sorted that out of course post that match and post our trip to the sofi for belgian against iran we'll be back with another totally at the world cup on sunday evening over here monday morning for you if you're in the uk do hope you'll join us for that and of course that you'll follow our instagram in the meantime loads of great stories there uh for now though i think that's pretty much it so many thanks phil give us the shirt back thank you very much you're done with that now thanks to you as well Tom thanks to you James thanks to everyone here on the production team and thanks to you at home we'll catch up with you soon for now from all of us here it's goodbye this episode of the Totally Football Show is brought to you by Hotels.com when you're booking a hotel here's a simple question why wouldn't you use Hotels.com it really is all in the name as a member you save up to 20 % on hundreds of thousands of hotels around the world and earn rewards on every single stay, which means the trips you're taking now help pay for the ones you're already dreaming about.

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