Portugal’s crazy Croatia victory sets up clash with Spain

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2:36Thursday at the World Cup. Cristiano lives. Portugal survives second half of the century, the combined ages of him and Luca, to see off Croatia and book a clash with Spain, who beat Austria. Ojas, the ball is in the net, more like. Thursday evening in LA, Friday morning or thereafter, possibly for you, it's a brand new totally the World Cup with an exciting new addition. Tom Williams joins us. And please welcome new signing, Felipe Cardenas. Felipe Cardenas. Felipe, strong intro. We needed that. We need some energy around. We need some Latino energy around here. Right, right, right. Yeah. Well, you've been taking that energy all around the U.S.

3:23and down to Mexico over the first three weeks of this tournament. So what did you see? What's it like down there, Mexico City? I mean, it's honestly unbelievable. It's not – I couldn't describe it, I think. I couldn't do it justice with words. but it is what you're seeing, what you see on social media, the videos of the FanFest, that is accurate. The entire country is completely spellbound by their national team right now. Wow, this is, I think, after Tuesday night's game, the last 32 matches near the Monumento de la Independencia. Right. And the scenes were so dramatic. Actually, three people lost their lives that night.

4:02You were making your way back from the Azteca through this. Yes, so Jack Lang and I were at the Azteca, and when we left the stadium and got to the media shuttle, the bus driver told us, guys, we can't get to the hotel directly. The city is almost shut down, the main roads. And where we were staying, which is the Rde Forma area of Mexico City, there's another fan fest. So not as big as this one, but pretty big. And so we got dropped off maybe 35 minutes, a 35-minute walk back to our hotel. And it's just people everywhere celebrating, flags everywhere, men, women, children, dogs in Mexico kits.

4:35It was just a party atmosphere. How many people were out in the street? I mean, it was like, there were millions of people, I think. I mean, if you see the videos, it looks like millions of people. And then 80 ,000 plus at the Azteca, that also feels like a lot more. So I'm being very serious. The entire country, the entire country is behind that national team right now. And that's rare in Mexico. Yeah, crazy. And that's where England are heading on Sunday. But they're taking measures, Tom. Yes, they're taking measures. I believe there are going to be four, possibly five, dummy team buses carrying an array of dummy England squads around the country just to throw the locals off the scent.

5:17Because there's concern about their sleep being disrupted on the eve of the game, which is what we saw with Ecuador. Right. Ecuador, the federation complained. They filed an official complaint with FIFA about that, calling it unsportsmanlike incidents, which is very common in Latin America and Europe before a big cup final or a big match. a bit of gamesmanship that I think we'll expect when England arrive as well. It's kind of hard to do anything about it. If you can't keep the hotel where the team's staying a secret, then there's not a huge amount you can do to prevent people making a den outside.

5:52Unless a massive maybe for the next World Cup, a bio-dome, protective sphere. I'm just firing out some ideas. You're spitting from the top of your dome. Yeah. We're going to have ample chance to chat about Mexico, England, of course, in the days to come. Today, we're going to be focusing on Spain and Portugal and what happened in their matches on Thursday. A quick check on the results. It was 3-0 to Spain against Austria in the early game here in Los Angeles. Two goals from Mikel Ojazabal. As a result, Spain will take a last-16 fixture with Portugal, which will be an exciting Iberian derby Portugal who came through an absolutely extraordinary match against Croatia on Thursday afternoon the other game on Thursday is Switzerland against Algeria but that's happening so late it won't actually finish until 6 a.m at the earliest UK time but when the pubs are closing so if we were to wait for that to actually do our podcast it would be out so late that other games would have started so no point we'll get back to that on tomorrow's show Switzerland against Algeria right now let's get a moment of the day Tom Luy Niamal I had never seen him play in the flash before and today I did and he was brilliant I mean he wasn't at his absolute best didn't score didn't create any goals but you know watching World Cups you are conscious all the time that you're watching moments of football history and seeing Niamal this generational talent you know do his thing in a Spain shirt and there was a moment in particular inside the first minute of the game it had been this very kind of cloudy overcast day at the SoFi Stadium and then almost as the referee blew the whistle for the game to begin the sun broke through the clouds and within seconds the ball finds its way to Yemal's feet and he sets off on a run and he exchanges passes with Alex Wayan and he gets a shot in and that you know fans are on their feet and they're shouting his name I just thought what what a pleasure to be sitting here watching this guy doing his stuff.

7:55My word a ray of sunshine What about for you, Felipe? Igor Matanovic. Maybe if he had a different haircut, Croatia may have gone through. The precision of that decision, I think, is one of the stories of the World Cup. The way the VAR is deciding these games, it reminded me of the goal that was called off in the Colombia-Portugal game. a lot of jokes happened afterwards if Davinson Sanchez had cut his nails cut his toenails or maybe he had a smaller size shoe that's a goal and so I think it's it describes the the modern game you know we have to get used to this uh but complete heartbreak as well for Croatia they thought they had a equalizer 103rd minute Croatia were heading out of the World Cup thought they'd equalize to buy themselves extra time against Portugal if it touched his head the player who crossed the ball, I can't remember who it was, for Yusup Guardiola would have been offside, rendering the goal invalid.

8:58The snick-o-meter, the snick-herd around the world, ruled that it did touch it. But, I mean, there's a bunch, there's a lot of people saying... I'm not convinced. You're not convinced. Again, we can't argue against technology, I guess. Can we not? But, like, I've watched the replay, we've all watched it together, I don't see the ball even move an inch, it doesn't, the trajectory stays the same so i thought i must admit i thought he had got a touch on it you did yeah and so when i saw the snichometer results that felt like confirmation but yeah huge fine margins fine fine margins the finest let's put all of that in some context by taking a look at an absolutely extraordinary match on thursday between portugal and croatia and how we ended up with all of that drama and what it means next so portugal took on croatia on thursday it ended 2-1 in as we've touched on very controversial circumstances that 103rd minute goal with which croatia thought they'd equalized they didn't it was a crazy ending to a crazy second half a second half that went on for 58 minutes, which is the longest second half in World Cup history.

10:11I think it's worth running through everything that happened. It might be not everything, but the key points that happened in it, because it was a lot. So the first half was very forgettable. Portugal had dominated. Ronaldo hadn't touched the ball in the box once. That kind of thing. When the second half got underway, Croatia came storming out of the blocks, and it wasn't long before they had scored and gone ahead through Ivan Perisic. Another legend, another veteran, right? A World Cup veteran. You're wondering, is this his last World Cup? You think that about several players on the Croatia side, Luka Modric as well.

10:44But he's a player that just shows up for his national team. It was a well-taken goal. You look at it, you think, where's the defending in that moment for Portugal? But it was a great moment for him. I think Croatia at that moment felt that they had taken momentum in a very important time in the match. That was him scoring, by the way, in his fourth World Cup, which is the same number that Pele managed. 2018, I think he scored in that one. I think he did. Anyway, shortly after that one, Croatia thought they had a second goal, but it's ruled offside. At this point, Portugal wake up, go down the other end, Liao crashes a screamer off the crossbar, and then there's the moment when Ronaldo fars it past Livakovic and scores.

11:28The best goal he's scored in years, no, Tom? Yeah, I mean, it just seemed to come to life in that moment. Vintage Ronaldo, we saw glimpses of it in the group gaming against Uzbekistan, but this was a wonderful goal. Controls the ball with the outs of his right foot and then just dinks it past the goalkeeper, but flag goes up. Flag goes up. He's hopping through. He's got to... And then he sees the flags up and after an explanation from the official, play continues, but Portugal do then get a penalty and Ronaldo steps up and puts it away with Elan. Yes, his first ever World Cup knockout goal. Yep.

12:09And, I mean, yeah, who else would you want in that kind of situation? The man for the big moment. And, yeah, a cast-iron penalty for a rugby tackle on Renato Vega by Nikola Vlasic. And Ronaldo sticks it away. And, yeah, all square. We're all square. So, at this point, Bobby Martinez decides Ronaldo shall come off. He's taken off for Ruben Neves. Martinez, who had previously put on Gonzalo Ramos, which was to prove a fairly significant thing. But Ronaldo going off, it's 1-1. This could be, we don't know how it's going to go. This could be the last we see of him at the World Cup. And he wasn't happy.

12:47Later we saw the replays. He didn't look very pleased that he was getting the curtain call at that point in the match. A very important moment. And we discussed the goal that was taken away. We saw a glimpse of that great player, the talent that he has. And surely he was probably feeling it. Like, I want to stay on the pitch. I want to win this game for my country. But Roberto Martinez, you know, showing some steel there, taking off the captain and getting the result. Gonzalo Ramos, who had come on about 20 minutes before this, then pops up with an absolutely brilliant header. So he's, I mean, he's being as marked as bad as closely as you can be marked.

13:25Yeah. I mean, and the way he moves his neck, like it's not a snap header. It's almost like it's uncomfortable to look at when you see the replay and how he had to jump in between those two defenders. But just so well taken, just like a brilliant World Cup goal, honestly. That was the 94th minute. Referee had decreed 10 minutes, a minimum of 10 minutes added on. We were up to the 103rd, so 13 minutes of time had been added on when we finally got to what Croatia thought was the goal that rescued them and put it into extra time but as detailed, not us. I mean, we've had so much late drama at this tournament already and this just felt like the next instalment of it.

14:08I was going to say it wasn't because the goal didn't stand, but actually the goal being ruled out in a way made it even more dramatic. Even more dramatic. Even more memorable, unfortunately, for Croatia. And the perplexing thing was that the goal went in. I don't think anyone initially thought that there was an offside. As soon as you saw the first replay, you saw that Mario Pasolic was clearly off. And then it would come down to whether or not the ball had touched Matanovic's head. And according to the little microchip in the ball that now governs all our lives, it had. There you go. The reaction was feisty.

14:39You can see bottles and cans were flying Gordiol there. Presumably not the intended target for that receptacle as it made its way through the Canadian sky. And Croatia made their way home. there were tears for some but Cristiano lives on and he's going to be in a, well, I imagine a last 16 clash with Portugal against Spain. How tasty is that? V tasty and of course the last time that these two countries met at a World Cup if I'm not mistaken was in the group phase in 2018 and Aldo scored a hat-trick. It's about the only time that he has really produced the goods against elite opposition at a World Cup.

15:18So, you know, there is previous. Did you know that Cristiano as of today Has now scored more goals for Portugal Than he ever did for Manchester United Wow yeah Does that surprise you? Yeah I mean that puts it into context Yeah 146 against well 145 Anyway there you go Through to a last 16 with Spain We'll touch perhaps on whether you think Portugal can take Their Iberian neighbours In a second or two When we look at how Spain got on today Against Austria at the SoFi

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18:04Our thoughts with him and with everyone who remembers him. Meanwhile, the 2nd of July is also an anniversary of something very, very sad. One of the great World Cup tragedies. And Felipe, great to have you here with us because it's a tragedy that concerns Colombian football above all others. Yes, the July 2nd of 1994, Andres Escobar, the former Colombian defender, was murdered in Medellin, Colombia after participating in the 1994 World Cup. Of course, we know he scored an own goal against the United States on June 22nd, the second group stage match for both teams. And yet to this day, it's still a tragedy that affects a lot of people in Colombia.

18:48And, you know, I had, I think, the honor, honestly, in speaking with Andres's brother, Santiago Escobar. Santiago had never spoken to the press and given such intimate details, not only about what occurred that day, but just about his brother and the relationship that they had, how close they were. Santiago himself was a 13-year professional in Colombia, played as a technical box-to-box midfielder, and then had a nice coaching career in South America as well. But to hear him tell me that he still cries for his brother, he misses him, he loves him, he doesn't understand how this happened to somebody that just wanted to play for his country, play for his city, um, and, and enjoy football.

19:35So I think the fact that we're once again celebrating a world cup in the United States, uh, is something that Santiago told me is, is difficult. Um, he loves football. He's enjoyed the world cup obviously, but he, he, he pictures what he lived through the day he found out his brother had been killed. Um, and so this is all coming back to him. And, and again, I think the story and the athletic, uh, it tells it from his perspective. Right. And I think we've done a great job with it. And obviously his teammates, his former teammates right now, Rene Gita, Faustino Spriglia, all honoring him on Instagram with different posts.

20:13So this is something that we're going to remember for a very, very long time. All right. And particularly acutely this time around with the World Cup being in the States again. Colombia, who will be in action on the 3rd of July, taking on Ghana in the last 32. All right. We'll talk about Friday's action and all sorts of other things in a moment. or two but let's move on now to the early game on thursday which was spain against austria here in los angeles penelope cruz was there javier bardem as well rosalia was there and so sitting next to each other yeah i didn't realize because the camera kept showing javier and penelope and then separately showing rosalia and it was only right at the end when they were all dancing right you realized they were all sitting in the same row where were you sat tom the other side of the stadium not in the posh seats because you were working yes working you were covering spain with a historic victory because it's their first knockout win at the world cup since 2010 it's their biggest world cup knockout win since 1994 which is kind of crazy when you think that they literally won the world cup in 2010 but of course that was the tournament where they you know kind of just beat everyone 1-0 and at the the high point of tiki taka that was all they needed so far this competition we've gone oh Argentina who can stop them and then we've gone France who can stop them is it time to go Spain who can stop them I've seen them twice I know you just saw them in LA I saw them twice in Atlanta one was the first draw the first game against Cape Verde right I was there for that well that's who can stop them yeah and and again yes Cape Verde was very disciplined very compact and Spain in my opinion that night they just weren't very adventurous Lemuel did not start that game.

21:54And they were very ponderous, very scripted. And when he came on the pitch, though, in the second half, they really did change. They became much more direct and creative. And, you know, the manager, Luis de la Fuente, told reporters after that match, don't be concerned. Like, we're OK. We're the European champions. We haven't lost in 32 games, I think, at that point. And he said, we're going to be better the next time. And they played Saudi Arabia once again in Atlanta. and it was just a clinic, a football clinic, where they put the Saudis away in the first 30 minutes of that match. So that's not a team I want to play.

22:29I know it's highly debatable. Are they playing at top speed? Is it the best team in the World Cup? Fine. But that's a very good team. Very good team. How good were they today against Austria? With the caveat that they were up against relatively feeble opposition, I was really impressed by Spain. They were just in complete control from kick-off to the final whistle. It feels like Luis de la Fuente has settled on what appears to be a first-choice starting XI, made a couple of changes from the team that had beaten Uruguay in their final group game. Pedro Porro came back in at right-back, Dani Olmo came back in as the number 10.

23:09And there's just this great sense of cohesion in that team. We've talked a lot in the build-up about the wingers. as Felipe was saying lots of question marks around Laminya Mal's fitness and the build up to the tournament he now seems to be fully fit was certainly very impressive today on the other flank Nico Williams unfortunately is unavailable he was on the bench today he was on the bench today but Alex Baena has been starting in his absence the Atletico Madrid winger and he was excellent today almost scored a worldy of a free kick from out on the left hand side about 30 yards from goal that Alexander Schlager, the Austria goalkeeper, touched onto the bar.

23:48He then creates the second goal for Pedro Porro. You've got Pedri and Rodri pulling the strings. And then up front, Michele Yazabal. Four goals now at the World Cup. This very kind of unassuming figure who's already scored the winner in a Euros final and is very much Johnny on the spot or Juan on the spot, whatever the Spanish equivalent would be. I find it deceptive because he looks a lot like Mark Noble. He looks like so many things other than a football player. Is he a geography teacher? He could be your Uber driver in Madrid or something. But what a striker. I mean, this is a guy that's clinical in front of the box.

24:22I saw him again in person. His movement is really, really clinical, very clean. And he finishes. He doesn't waste chances. So that's what makes Spain really dangerous. 17 goals in 17 international games for Yosabelle. He's up to four for this tournament. So add him to the golden boot race. Yamal didn't score, but? Yeah, it was good. So Austria had put Konrad Leimer at left back. To do a job. To their, you know, odd job utility man. And it was a really enjoyable tussle. Jamal nutmeged Leimer a couple of times, which provoked kind of oohs and ahs. But on neither occasion did he manage to actually get the ball post-nutmeg.

25:01So for me, that is not a complete nutmeg. But Jamal did look good. Did lots of Jamali things. almost scored with the rebound from the Alex Baena free kick that hit the bar, had a chance at the end that David Alaba blocked on the line and was just moving very fluidly and has that kind of insouciant languid quality. The way that he just uses the outside of his foot to play passes without even breaking stride is, yeah, an absolute treat. Spain had three goals. They put the ball in the net four times because Cucurella scored. Yeah, Cucurella, who was absolutely brilliant. And I think if you were to arbitrarily pick a team of the tournament midway through the round of 32, which generally people don't do, but he'd be a very strong contender for the left back role.

25:45He set up two of the goals today. He had a hand in the other. The pass for Yazabal's opener was brilliant. It was one of those where all the information that the attacking player needs is in the pass. He really kind of wrapped it in to Ojazabal's feet. And all he had to do was kind of steer it into the bottom corner. And then, yeah, another beautiful cross from a wide position on the left flank to set up Ojazabal's second goal. And was very effective. And also, you know, combative and slightly provocative in that very Cucureya way of his. OK, the goal that was disallowed, did you have strong opinions on that?

26:24It was for a foul on Stalago. It's one of those. It's one of those, as Harry Kane might say. It was, yeah, so basically, I think it was a Yamal corner comes in and it's an in-swinging corner and there's a crowd of players around the goalkeeper. The ball bounces down and Kukurea slams it into the net. And at this point, the game is goalless and the referee ruled it out. And you saw the replay and Pau Kubasi is kind of jumping to contest for the ball and makes contact with Alexander Schlager, the Austria goalkeeper. but it felt like quite a weak one. But echoes of the Jonathan Tarr goal that was contentiously ruled out for Germany the other night.

27:02And in defence of Pierluigi Colina and the wider refereeing community, they did say pre-tournament they were going to be very laser-focused when it came to impeding the goalkeeper. I thought this didn't need to be ruled out. We felt the same way about the Jonathan Tarr goal that was disallowed quite crucially, as it turned out, in Germany's exit against Paraguay. A lot of people wrote in and went, look, the referees have said this. And, you know. It's all British football instincts. We want a bit of rough and tumble, isn't it? Well, there you go. Spain are yet to concede, still yet to concede at this tournament.

27:39It helps when your opponents like Austria didn't have a single shot on target. But this is still pretty impressive stuff. Do you think Portugal can do any better than that? It's a good question that you're asking tonight. Because after the Croatia-Portugal match, I'm left wondering if the better team won. You're not really sure, right? Like Croatia had a great second half. It could have been them. And Portugal has been that type of team that came in and were expecting great things from that midfield. And they haven't really blossomed yet. And on the flip side, as we have just discussed, Spain is starting to find their groove.

28:12And so clearly the favorites are going to be Spain. I think Cristiano Ronaldo probably feels some sort of extra energy when he plays against Spain. He understands the culture. He lived there for many years. But I don't know. I don't know if Portugal has the creativity to break down what we thought was going to be the weak link in the Spanish side, the back line. It's not necessarily as rock solid as perhaps we expected them to be. So I think the favorites are Spain, clearly. I mean, Portugal, I think they feel fortunate that they're even in the tournament right now. OK. Again, we'll be coming up on Monday, the same day that the U.S.

28:48will be taking on Belgium. Belgium. That should be an absolute scissor. A couple of comments. Sid Vass says, question to the pod. Has the introduction of water breaks been the reason behind the reduced muscle injuries in this World Cup? Oh, no. He's found something positive about the water break. This is missing a citation here. Where's the evidence that there are fewer muscular injuries than a previous World Cup? I don't know. Where's the evidence that there isn't? I put it to you. I put it to you. he could come back and give us some statistical evidence of that I think it's pretty clear that the reason we're having such a terrific tournament is teams get a breather halfway through and more importantly so do I B task another troubling thing about the hydration break is that you're watching football and then it stops yes and I just think oh half time because that's the only thing that's the only thing that would ordinarily bring a football to a pause so I go up and I do something that you know would take longer than two minutes then it's like oh no the game's restarted the fans at the stadium they're doing the same thing they immediately just get up and go Get the phones out.

29:49No, Bennett. Terrible Bennett. Historians say that the late Victorians felt the same way in the introduction of the half-time break. They did not know what to make of it. A lot of them were off back down the mines and all the other things they used to get up to. Anyway, we shall see. We shall see. B Tasks G says, As England is now Germany in spirit and management, I will say that they'll get Mexico in penalties. the azteca will boil the german team and fans will have to be flown out like it's saigon 75 out of nowhere gimme shelter starts playing it'll be glorious that's not the same commenter yeah it's the same commenter yeah oh right okay yeah yeah they've gone with the england and germany thing yeah yeah mentality yeah yeah yeah we'll find out

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32:54Good. That's coming up on Sunday, as we mentioned repeatedly. Friday, though, what does that involve at the World Cup? Well, there's Argentina against Cape Verde. That's in Miami. In Dallas, Australia take on Egypt. And in Kansas City, Felipe's Colombia are up against the Black Stars of Ghana. This, and I was shocked to hear this, shocked, Felipe reveals, is the Carlos Kairos derby. Yes, it is. He's managed both teams. Yes. People forget that he was the manager for Colombia at the beginning of the World Cup qualifiers for 2022 in Qatar. And COVID really destroyed that project. That's something that Carlos Kairos said today, that it was very difficult.

33:44But it also led to a huge falling out between Carlos Kairos and James Rodriguez and many other players. Maybe the listeners don't remember this, but I remember it vividly. Ecuador beat Colombia 6-1 in a World Cup qualifier. And it was like that moment that that was it. Like, this team is done. This coach can continue. And I spoke to Thomas Rodriguez in February. I sat with him when he arrived to Minnesota United. And I asked him, oh, this is going to be, I remember just mentioning casually, this is your third World Cup. And instead of saying, yes, yes, my third World Cup, he shook his head and he said, yeah, we didn't make it to 22-something with the coach.

34:26And then he just, like, left it. And I was like, okay. So this is lingering. This is a big story in Colombia that Carlos Carreira is back facing, now facing Colombia, certainly knows the players, knows how they play. A fascinating matchup. How has James Rodriguez been so far this World Cup? He's been good. He's grown into it. His last game against Portugal, I think he was one of the standout players. You know, he controlled the ball. He was very precise with his passing, which is classic Thomas Rodriguez. You know, what he lacks is what is not going to surprise anybody. He doesn't have a burst anymore.

35:00I think he struggles a little bit in tight spaces. But Colombia has figured out ways to pull him back from the action and give him time to, in an American term, to quarterback the team, essentially, to get his touches, to spread the ball around, to get into the game. And he's still that player that captains the side. If anyone is listening and saying he needs to sit, it's not going to happen. Can he play 90? I don't think so. Maybe 60, 70. But he's done enough to stay in the side and to keep Colombia and their style of play, which is methodical possession, direct play. He's not slowing the game down.

35:41And so I think he's been fine so far. Okay. And Lucio Diaz? That's a good question. He was strong to start. I thought he was excellent. against Uzbekistan, scored a goal, had an assist, had a chance off the post in that first game. Against DR Congo, I thought the Congolese were ready for him. And even though he had his breaks and he got away, he was always offside. He couldn't read the play exactly the right way. He had a couple goals called back. And Nestor Lorenzo, the manager, did tell reporters, he's like, just wait, we know he's going to have that game. We hope it comes on Friday. So I think the big buzz in Colombia is he's exhausted.

36:21Has he played too many games in Europe with Bayern Munich? And that's possible. But I do think he's going to be pivotal against Ghana. Okay. Ghana, who have had 15 shots in the group stage. Colombia have had 59. Different teams. Which one's managed by Carlos Cruz? Ghana. Oh, yeah. Okay. Makes sense, huh? It's their first knockout match, by the way, the Black Stars. against South American opposition. I'll qualify this. First knockout match against South American opposition since that one against Uruguay in 2010. Yes. And there's Luis Suarez among the opposition once again. To care for what he does with his hands.

37:02Or maybe not. Yeah. Excellent. All right. Well, we're looking forward to that game. You're going to join us afterwards. I will. Brilliant. Excellent. The other games coming up on Friday are also pretty intriguing. Argentina against Cape Verde. Hello, narrative. that's a great tie like the the fairy tale of the tournament so far in cape verde and then argentina led by leo messi breaking records every time he sets foot on the pitch that there's tremendous there's clearly no way cape verde can stop argentina however and beat another tournament they stopped spain they stopped a world champion in spain they stopped a world champion in uruguay and now Argentina yeah they couldn't could they I mean probably not but it will it could make absolutely fascinating viewing if they can if they can keep Argentina at bay first half hour first half I'm just reading here Argentina haven't lost a knockout game in any tournament since the semi-final of the Copa America in 2019 goodness along the way they haven't lost a single knockout game in all that time they've won a Copa America in that time then won the World Cup then won another Copa America off the back of that.

38:10Leonos Coloni. 2019, that Copa America, he was an interim manager that the Argentines weren't sure about. And now look at him. Now look at him. Whoever comes through that match will be taking on either Australia or Egypt, because that's the other game. On Friday, that will be taking place in Dallas. Egypt playing their first ever World Cup knockout tie. It'll be the third one for the Socceroos. but they've never won a knockout tie at the World Cup. They were beaten in 2006 by the eventual winners, Italy. Fabio Grosso and all that. Tottenham. And then in 2022, they also lost to the eventual winners, Argentina.

38:53I was at that game. That was a tight, tight game for Argentina. Australia had their chances. I think speaking of Argentina, they'll look at that. They'll remember that game in 2022 when they face Cape Verde thinking everyone had that locked in, Argentina will get past Australia. And they left it late. Remember, there was a save by Emiliano Martinez at the end when he laid on the ball and his defenders laid on top of him, like, thank you, you've won this game for us. That was against Australia. And so, you know, I think Argentina knows that they don't play cupcakes at the World Cup. Wow. Nicely put, Felipe.

39:29They will be playing Egypt, though. That's tomorrow. and of course we'll be back straight after that concludes with all the latest from the world cup here at totally at the world cup for now that's it for this show philippe great to have you with us thank you so much for today to yourself as well tom to the production crew and to you do join us again in a day's time for now from all of the series goodbye

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